Francis Bacon's Parents

[Robin G.]

The scholars who study Francis Bacon's writings know his parents were
Sir Nicholas Bacon and Anne (Cooke) Bacon.

It was Dr. Orville Ward Owen, in his five volume work, Sir Francis
Bacon's Cipher Story (1893-5) who first revealed Bacon's real parents
were Elizabeth I and the Earl of Leicester.

Elizabeth has posted over and over Owen's discovering. One would
think the case is closed. Nope!

Walter Conrad Arensberg, in his books Francis Bacon, William Butts,
and the Pagets of Beaudesert (1929) and The Magic Ring of Francis
Bacon (1930) revealed Bacon's parents were Lady Anne Bacon and Sir
William Butts, eldest son of the physician to Henry VIII. Arensberg
established the Francis Bacon Foundation, so his claim must be true.

I'm reminded of the old game show, To Tell The Truth. Will Francis
Bacon's real parents please stand up.

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:13:10 PM UTC-8, Robin G. wrote:
> The scholars who study Francis Bacon's writings know his parents were
>
> Sir Nicholas Bacon and Anne (Cooke) Bacon.
>

> Sorry, Robin but you're wrong.
>
> Sir Nicholas Bacon and his wife Anne were NOT
>
> the natural parents of Francis Bacon, so-called.
>
> Elizabeth gave birth to Bacon a few days after she
>
> and Leicester were wed at Penshurst before a
>
> group of aristocratic friends who served as witnesses.

> The only motive that I can think of that would cause
>
> the Queen to give her son to the Bacons to raise
>
> would be the fact that Leicester was already involved
>
> with her beautiful younger cousin Lettice Knollys
> (and that is the correct spelling of Lettice Knollys)
>
> in some kind of irregular marriage. In fact Knollys
>
> was already pregnant with Leicester's child. Leicester
> was an expert in the area of irregular marriages with
> his irregular wives always the worse off.
>
> So the Bacons were thrilled to raise the Queene's son
>
> as Anne Bacon had produced only one son, Anthony.
>
> Sir Nicholas' enormous weight may have had
>
> something to do with the fact that Anne Bacon
>
> had difficulty conceiving children. That's typical
>
> when the husband is so obese.

>
> It was Dr. Orville Ward Owen, in his five volume work, Sir Francis
> Bacon's Cipher Story (1893-5) who first revealed Bacon's real
> parents were Elizabeth I and the Earl of Leicester.
>

> Or you can read all about it in the DNB.
>
> If the title of a book has "cipher" in it, I reshelve the book.
>
> Elizabeth has posted over and over Owen's discovering. [sic].
> One would [sic]. Can you even complete a sentence?
>
> I knew that you were going to be overwrought, Robin. You're
>
> hallucinating. I have NEVER "posted over and over [sic] Owen's
>
> discovery, whatever that is.
>
> Other than dodging the Owen blurbs on the Sirbacon.org
> website, I know nothing about Owen or his book. Why do
> you feel compelled to lie, Robin?
>
> Nope! [sic].

>
>
> Walter Conrad Arensberg, in his books Francis Bacon, William Butts,
>
> and the Pagets of Beaudesert (1929) and The Magic Ring of Francis
>
> Bacon (1930) revealed Bacon's parents were Lady Anne Bacon and Sir
>
> William Butts, eldest son of the physician to Henry VIII.

> That's crazy. Bacon's father was NOT Sir William Butts, nor for that
>
> matter, was Sir Nicholas Bacon. Where are you getting this crap?
>
> And, in addition, I have no idea who Sir William Butts
>
> might be.
>
> Bacon had only one natural father, the Queen's favorite, the earl of
>
> Leicester, Robert Dudley. Dudley was a champion womanizer, he broke
>
> the Queen's heart over and over, so the Queen, having no other
>
> outlet for her sorrow and rage, took it out on Leicester's son Francis.
>
> Bacon was actually in line for the throne of England. His first cousin,
>
> Arabella Stuart had an equal claim. Elizabeth punished Leicester for
>
> his affair with her pretty cousin, Lettice Knollys (conducted under Knollys'

> husband's nose) by thwarting Bacon's access to the Tudor throne.
>
> Elizabeth was cruel and petty, had she encouraged Bacon instead
>
> of thwarting him at every turn, England could have taken its place
>
> among the States of Europe. Bacon was actually more famous on
>
> the Continent than he was in his own country.
>
> And yes, Bacon wrote Don Quixote. It's written in Bacon's hysterical
>
> style. I love Don Quixote, it's my all time favorite novel.
>
> So . . . Elizabeth screwed up by not elevating Bacon to the throne.
>
> Instead, England got that stinky pederast, James I, IV and worse,
>
> his lover Buckingham.
>
> Too bad, the number of monarchs who are geniuses is miniscule.
>
> I think that young Bacon was only saved from insanity by the
>
> eminent sanity of his adopted father Sir Nicholas. Lady Anne Bacon
>
> was also a powerful influence on Bacon.
>
> [deletion of Robin's incoherent text]
>
> That, of course, is nuttery, Robin.
>
> Sir Nicholas Bacon was Lord Chancellor, a very prestigious title.
>
> I doubt Anne or Nicholas Bacon ever met William Butts. I've
>
> never read anything about William Butts. Maybe you'd like
>
> to educate us.

>
> I'm reminded of the old game show, To Tell The Truth. Will Francis
>
> Bacon's real parents please stand up.
>

> Heh.
>

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

> > Or you can read about it in the authoritative DNB.

>
> > If the title of a book has "cipher" in it, I reshelve the book.
>
> >
>
> > Elizabeth has posted over and over Owen's discovering. [sic].
>
> > One would [sic]. Can you even complete a sentence?
>
> >
>
> > I knew that you were going to be overwrought, Robin. You're
>
> >
>
> > hallucinating. I have NEVER "posted over and over [sic] Owen's
>
> >
>
> > discovery, whatever that is.
>
> >
>
> > Other than dodging the Owen blurbs on the Sirbacon.org
>
> > website, I know nothing about Owen or his book. Why do
>
> > you feel compelled to lie, Robin?
>
> >
>
> > Nope! [sic].
>
> >
>
> > Walter Conrad Arensberg, in his books Francis Bacon, William Butts,
>
> > and the Pagets of Beaudesert (1929) and The Magic Ring of Francis
>

> > My Note: I think "the magic ring of Francis Bacon" tells us everything
>
> > we need to know about Owen's book.

>
> > Bacon (1930) revealed Bacon's parents were Lady Anne Bacon and Sir
>

> That is completely stupid, Bacon was Leicester's son, check an
>
> > authoritative source and get back to us in 2050 A.D.

> > William Butts, eldest son of the physician to Henry VIII . . .

>
> > That's crazy. Bacon's father was NOT Sir William Butts, nor

> for that matter, was Sir Nicholas Bacon the father of
>
> > Francis Bacon.

>
> > Where are you getting this crap?
>
> >

> ROBIN:

> > Bacon had only one natural father, the Queen's favorite, the earl of
>
> >
>
> > Leicester, Robert Dudley. Dudley was a champion womanizer, he broke
>
> >
>
> > the Queen's heart over and over, so the Queen, having no other
>
> >
>
> > outlet for her sorrow and rage, took it out on Leicester's son Francis.
>
> >
>
> > Bacon was actually in line for the throne of England. His first cousin,
>
> >
>
> > Arabella Stuart had an equal claim. Elizabeth punished Leicester for
>
>
>
> > his affair with her pretty cousin, Lettice Knollys (conducted under Knollys'
>
>
>

> > husband's nose) by thwarting Bacon's access to the Tudor throne. Lettice
>
> > gave birth to Leicester's son, Elizabeth's heart was broken yet again and
>
> > Leicester moved on to his next mistress.

>
> >
>
> > Elizabeth was cruel and petty, had she encouraged Bacon instead
>
> >
>
> > of thwarting him at every turn, England could have taken its place
>
> >
>
> > among the States of Europe. Bacon was actually more famous on
>
> >
>
> > the Continent than he was in his own country.
>
> >
>

> > And yes, Bacon wrote Don Quixote. It's written in Bacon's comical
> > style. Bacon, as Jonson knew, was the master of numerous styles.

>
> > I love Don Quixote, it's my all time favorite novel.
>
> > So . . . Elizabeth screwed up by not elevating Bacon to the throne.
>
> > Instead, England got that stinky pederast, James I, IV and worse,
>

> > got James' lover Buckingham.

>
> >
>
> > Too bad, the number of monarchs who are geniuses is miniscule.
>
> >
>
> >
>

> > [deletion of Robin's incoherent text]
>
> >
>
> > That, of course, is nuttery, Robin.
>
> >
>
> > Sir Nicholas Bacon was Lord Chancellor, a very prestigious title.
>
> >
>
> > I doubt Anne or Nicholas Bacon ever met William Butts. I've
>
> >
>
> > never read anything about William Butts. Maybe you'd like
>
> >
>
> > to educate us.
>

[Robin G.]

On Dec 20, 6:34 pm, "neonprose @ gmail.com" <neonpr...@gmail.com>

wrote:
> On Thursday, December 20, 2012 6:08:21 PM UTC-8, neonprose @ gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:13:10 PM UTC-8, Robin G. wrote:
>

Elizabeth,

What kind of Francis Bacon fan girl are you? I shocked you don't know
the origins of your movement.
Watch out or you'll be thrown out of the circle.

Go to Wikipedia and look up Ignatius Donnelly, Oliver Ward Owen,
Elizabeth Gallup and Walter Conrad Arensberg.
You'll have to do a Google to learn about Natalie Rice Clark.

Here is part of the Wikipedia entry on Oliver Ward Owen.
Owen's book Sir Francis Bacon's Cipher Story (1893-5) stated that
Queen Elizabeth I was secretly married to Robert Dudley, Earl of
Leicester, who fathered both Bacon and Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of
Essex, later ruthlessly executed by his own mother.[4] This was the
basis for what became known as Prince Tudor theory. This secret
history of the Elizabethan period was communicated by Bacon through
encoded passages in his own works and the many others he had written
attributed to other authors. Bacon's hidden messages are communicated
in blank verse in the form of a question and answer session, in which
a voice asks Bacon questions and receives long verse replies.
When the queen discovered that her son had written Hamlet, Bacon's
movements were restricted "circumscribing the free scope of that
mighty intellect, and forcing the hiding of its best work under masks
and cipher, only to be revealed three hundred years later".[5] It was
also revealed that Bacon himself discovered his brother's treasonable
plot, and that Romeo and Juliet is the story of Bacon's romance with
the Queen of France, Margaret of Valois.[5] Elizabeth confessed that
Bacon was her son on her deathbed, but she was poisoned and strangled
by Robert Cecil to prevent her proclaiming Bacon her successor. Owen
also uncovered two new plays by Bacon, The tragical historie of our
late brother Robert, earl of Essex and The historical tragedy of Mary
queen of Scots.
Owen was led to the belief that original manuscripts were hidden at
Chepstow Castle, and made several expeditions to attempt to recover
them in 1909-10. He also dredged a section of the River Wye but
nothing was found.[6] Owen died a "bedridden almost penniless
invalid", full of regret for sacrificing his career, reputation and
health on the "Baconian controversy" and warning admirers to learn by
his example and avoid it.[6] His theories were later developed by his
assistant Elizabeth Wells Gallup. Owen's cipher wheel was discovered
in a warehouse in Detroit[7] by Virginia Fellows (1910-2006), a later
supporter of Owen's theory, who presented it to her publisher.

There is no mention of Edward de Vere. Guess Elizabeth I wasn't his
mummy after all.

[neonpr...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:13:10 PM UTC-8, Robin G. wrote:

> The scholars who study Francis Bacon's writings know his parents were
>
> Sir Nicholas Bacon and Anne (Cooke) Bacon.
>

> NOT A CHANCE. Bacon's parents were Leicester and Elizabeth and there
>
> are 16th c. records held in glass cases at Penshurst that confirm that
>
> Elizabeth and Leicester were wed in . . .1561? Somethin' like that.
>
> I'll look up the date and correct it if necessary.
>
> The authority on this subject is the Dictionary of National Biography
>
> which covers Elizabeth's pregnancy and the wedding ceremony at
>
> Penshurst.

>
> It was Dr. Orville Ward Owen, in his five volume work, Sir Francis
>
> Bacon's Cipher Story (1893-5) who first revealed Bacon's real parents
>
> were Elizabeth I and the Earl of Leicester.
>

> Well, yeh but who is going to bother to decipher five volumes of
>
> Dr. Orville Ward Owen's ciphers? I suppose that I should acknowledge
>
> that the Doctor was on the right track, even the Baconians are slow
>
> to acknowledge that Elizabeth was, in fact Bacon's mother and that
>
> Robert Dudley was Bacon's legitimate father. The ceremony at
>
> Penshurst that joined Elizabeth to Dudley was a lawful wedding.
>
> I made a point to check up on this in Blackstone. Even if Elizabeth
>
> had not made it down the aisle, the English were then pretty lenient
>
> about a very pregnant bride getting down the aisle before she went
>
> into labor.

>That is correct, Robin. Elizabeth and Leicester were married at
>
> Penhurst before a crowd of witnesses.
>
> There was a bit of a sticky wicket since the Queen had earlier
>
> been pregnant with Bacon's older but littler brother, Oxford,
>
> the son of a dangerous loon, Elizabeth's icky lover, Sir Thomas Seymour.
>
> Seymour was the brother of the Lord Protector, his slightly older
>
> brother Edward Seymour. As Edward Seymour was Lord Protector
>
> he was in a position to help his younger brother rise in the State.
>
> At one point Edward was able to secure the title "Lord High Admiral"
>
> for his younger brother, but I don't think much of anything came of it.

>
>
> Elizabeth has posted over and over Owen's discovering.

> I've never written a post on Owen, I'm not into that period
>
> in history. One would think the case is closed. Nope!

> Is English your native tongue, as Webb would inquire? Yes, Webb
>
> very wearing, but who is "Owen?" And what was his discovery?

>
> Walter Conrad Arensberg, in his books Francis Bacon, William Butts,
>
> and the Pagets of Beaudesert (1929) and The Magic Ring of Francis
>
> Bacon (1930) revealed Bacon's parents were Lady Anne Bacon and Sir
>

> William Butts, eldest son of the physician to Henry VIII. Ok, I thought
>
> Butts was some American physician living in Chicago in the 19th c.
>
> who just happened to write a book on Bacon.

> Bacon's natural parents were Elizabeth and her true love Leicester.
>
> Elizabeth fell out with Leicester when she discovered that he was
>
> having a torrid affair with Elizabeth's younger and prettier cousin,
>
> Lettice Knollys.
>
> In this instance the unfaithful Leicester impregnated Lettice with of
>
> all people, Essex. Yes, Essex was yet another one of Leicester's
>
> bastards. Bacon was at least legitimate, he was born within the
>
> timetable of English law which regulated bastardy. Elizabeth barely
>
> made it down the aisle, but she did make it, and gave birth to Bacon
>
> about a week later.

>
> established the Francis Bacon Foundation, so his claim must be true.
>

> What :Francis Bacon Foundation? Try to stay on topic since there
>
> are grimmer things ahead, i.e., Essex was Leicester's son by Lettice
>
> Knollys and Bacon's LAWFUL husband, Leicester. Elizabeth and Leicester,
>
> as I wrote above, were married at the great house of the soldier, it's
>
> very sad but Elizabeth punished Leicester by beheading Essex in the
>
> Tower. Elizabeth just couldn't get over Leicester "marrying" Lettice,
>
> her beautiful not to speak of much younger cousin.
>
> Sir Robert Sidney, the youngest of the three Sidney children of Wilton
>
> fame. Sadly Mary and Philip were dead. No longer was great poetry
>
> coming out of the Wilton circle. Hmm, this post is all over the place.

>
> Robin wrote:
>
> I'm reminded of the old game show, To Tell The Truth. Will Francis
>
> Bacon's real parents please stand up.
>

> AGAIN. Elizabeth and Leicester were lawfully wed at a ceremony held
>
> at Penshurst, the home of the remaining Sidney, Robert. That fact, and
>
> I looked it up in Blackstone, meant that Bacon was the ONLY/legitimate
>
> son of the Queen.
>
> Sadly, Oxford could not be legitimized as his father, the Lord Admiral
>
> Thomas Seymour, had lost his head in the Tower some time before.
>
> According to English common law, a child was legitimized by its father
>
> coming forward to claim it and name it as his own.

> So that left a married Elizabeth bereft of her first infant, the infant carelessly
>
> named Edward De Vere aka Earl of Oxford. Oxford was in no sense the son
>
> of the 16th earl of Oxford, he was the son of the DEAD Lord Admiral, Sir Thomas
>
> Seymour, Elizabeth's lover, who got her pregnant at Sudeley Castle in the Cotswolds.
>
> When this came to the attention of officials, Elizabeth was hustled off to the great
>
> house of her friends, the Denneys. That, as far as I can detect, is the castle AT SUDELEY

> was where the infant we call "Oxford" was conceived and later born. That scenario fits
>
> the inquiry of a high judicial tribunal, which called witnesses, mainly household staff

> from Sudeley, to essentially testify against the Lord High Admiral. I know that the midwife
>
> and her assistant had plenty to tell. The midwife would have testified that she
>
> delivered a very small male infant, one with tiny red spots on his face, neck and shoulders.
>
> The midwife's assistant testified that she took the infant from the midwife, and tossed
>
> a soft blanket over his head and neck so the Princess could not see him. The assistant
>
> then whisked the small male infant out of the room while the midwife helped Elizabeth
>
> recover.
>
> So it's an incredible irony that Oxford, the eldest but smallest brother, is the actual
>
> brother of Elizabeth's second son, Francis Bacon by her lawful husband, Robert Dudley,
>
> earl of Leicester.
>
> The last episode of this tragic tale is the fact that Robert Dudley took up with the Queen's
>
> cousin, the very pretty Lettice Knollys. Of course Leicester shortly impregnanted Lettice
>
> with of all people ESSEX. Yes, Essex, the incompetent marshall of the Irish campaign,
>
> the one who wanted to chase down Spanish galleons for their booty instead of destroying
>
> the Spanish fleet. . . so it's depressing to know that Bacon got another little brother
>
> via that dog Leicester's affair with the pretty Lettice Knollys. And Leicester was still
>
> LEGALLY married to the Queen, he just kept breaking her heart over and over.
>
> As the Queen got older and older, she made an attempt to make her LAWFUL husband
>
> Leicester jealous. She had all the money, land, forests, great houses, castles in England
>
> and she dolled these out to her favorites. As far as I know, Leicester didn't care, he had
>
> what he wanted, he drew further and further away from his LAWFUL WIFE the Queen.

[neonpr...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:13:10 PM UTC-8, Robin G. wrote:

> The scholars who study Francis Bacon's writings know his parents were
>
> Sir Nicholas Bacon and Anne (Cooke) Bacon.
>
>
>
> It was Dr. Orville Ward Owen, in his five volume work, Sir Francis
>
> Bacon's Cipher Story (1893-5) who first revealed Bacon's real parents
>
> were Elizabeth I and the Earl of Leicester.

> Robin. You will have to PROVE that I posted on Owen "over and over,"
>
> I don't go into these sidebars put forth by the Baconians, I try to
>
> stay with the essential historical accounts, i.e., how Elizabeth came
>
> to find out that Leicester had fathered Essex on her beautiful cousin,
>
> Lettice Knollys. The Queen must have gone into shock because it was
>
> she wh was Leicester's lawful wife!

>
>
>
> Elizabeth has posted over and over Owen's discovering. One would
>
> think the case is closed. Nope!
>

> See: "I don't go into these Baconian sidebars above." Stop distorting
>
> historical facts, Robin. Leave that to Art.

>
> Walter Conrad Arensberg, in his books Francis Bacon, William Butts,
>
> and the Pagets of Beaudesert (1929) and The Magic Ring of Francis
>
> Bacon (1930) revealed Bacon's parents were Lady Anne Bacon and Sir
>
> William Butts, eldest son of the physician to Henry VIII.
>

> AGAIN. I don't go into these Baconian so-called "historical facts,"
>
> Sir William Butts was emphatically NOT Bacon's father. Leicester,
>
> Robert Dudley, was Bacon's lawful father only because he was still
>
> MARRIED to Bacon's mother, the Queen of England.
>
> Again, the DNB is very good on this subject, I urge you to
>
> go to Wikipedia and see if you can find it online.

>
>
> established the Francis Bacon Foundation, so his claim must be true.>
> I'm reminded of the old game show, To Tell The Truth. Will Francis
> Bacon's real parents please stand up.
>

>Robin. Bacon's "real parents" did, in fact, stand up. They were married
>
> by a cleric from Henry VIII's Church of England, and a few days later
>
> Elizabeth gave birth to the genius we call Sir Francis Bacon.
>
> Elizabeth HAD TWO SONs, the smaller, but elder was Oxford, Bacon
>
> was the genius, it's really hard to take in all of Bacon's accomplishments.
>
> Just for starters, Bacon was the original promoter of the Virginia Company,
>
> so to gain the attention of the English, Bacon wrote the sweet play,
>
> The Tempest. I saw it staged in Seattle, it was really well done. I also
>
> saw Hamlet. That was, well, terrifying.
>

[David L. Webb]

In article <bec447f0-004f-4a22...@googlegroups.com>,

neonpr...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:13:10 PM UTC-8, Robin G. wrote:

> > The scholars who study Francis Bacon's writings know his parents were
> > Sir Nicholas Bacon and Anne (Cooke) Bacon.

> It was Dr. Orville Ward Owen, in his five volume work, Sir Francis
> Bacon's Cipher Story (1893-5) who first revealed Bacon's real parents
> were Elizabeth I and the Earl of Leicester.

Owen was a deluded crank, and not a scholar by any stretch of the
imagination. The Friedmans, expert cryptanalysts, examined Owens's
cryptographic "evidence" in _The Shakespearean Ciphers Examined_, and
found it worthless. As the Wikipedia article notes,

"In addition, Dr. Frederick Mann, a close friend of Owen, published
a severe critique soon after Owen's book first appeared. Mann wrote
that Owen's method means that 'we are asked to believe that such
peerless creations as Hamlet, The Tempest, and Romeo and Juliet were
not prime productions of the transcendent genius who wrote them, but
were _subsidiary_ devices which Bacon designed for the purpose of
concealing the cipher therein.' He also noted that Owen and his
assistants gave themselves considerable freedom in choosing and
altering passages as they saw fit, even though the cipher-text was
supposed to be identified by keywords; 'in one instance the keyword
is 47 lines away from the quotation taken, and in a large number of
instances it is not even to be found on the same page'.[3]"

Unlike most cranks obsessed with an _id�e fixe_, even Ward himself
realized his error near the end of his life. In fact, even the
Wikipedia article mentions this:

"Owen was led to the belief that original manuscripts were hidden at
Chepstow Castle, and made several expeditions to attempt to recover
them in 1909-10. He also dredged a section of the River Wye but
nothing was found.[6] Owen died a 'bedridden almost penniless
invalid', full of regret for sacrificing his career, reputation and
health on the 'Baconian controversy' and warning admirers to learn
by his example and avoid it.[6]"

If Owen is Elizabeth's "source" for her lurid revelations concerning
Bacon's supposedly royal birth, then she has been misled by a risible
crank, just as she was when she breathlessly held forth about the
supposed North Korean submarine attack on the Deep Water Horizon
offshore oil platform!

Elizabeth will apparently believe *anything*, provided it's crazy
enough.

[Delusions deleted]

> Leicester,
> Robert Dudley, was Bacon's lawful father only because he was still
> MARRIED to Bacon's mother, the Queen of England.

The Queen of England never married Dudley, nor anyone else, for that
matter.

> Again, the DNB is very good on this subject, I urge you to
> go to Wikipedia and see if you can find it online.

The _DNB_ says *nothing* about Elizabeth I marrying Robert Dudley.
Plainly, Elizabeth has never even *looked* at the _DNB_ article on
either Elizabeth or Dudley, both of which blatantly contradict her
claims. Indeed, of Dudley and Elizabeth I, the _DNB_ says the following:

"There is absolutely no evidence that they were ever lovers�or
that Elizabeth lost her virginity to anyone."

[...]

> Robin. Bacon's "real parents" did, in fact, stand up. They were married
> by a cleric from Henry VIII's Church of England, and a few days later
> Elizabeth gave birth to the genius we call Sir Francis Bacon.

Source? As we have seen, Elizabeth's source cannot possibly be the
_DNB_ (unless she hallucinated the entry), because both the articles on
Elizabeth I and on Dudley say nothing of the kind; indeed, the article
on Dudley flatly contradicts Elizabeth's lurid fantasy.

> Elizabeth HAD TWO SONs, the smaller, but elder was Oxford, Bacon
> was the genius, it's really hard to take in all of Bacon's accomplishments.

...particularly when many of them, in Elizabeth's version, are purely
fictitious.

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:13:10 PM UTC-8, Robin G. wrote:

> The scholars who study Francis Bacon's writings know his parents were
>
> Sir Nicholas Bacon and Anne (Cooke) Bacon.
>
>
>
> It was Dr. Orville Ward Owen, in his five volume work, Sir Francis
>
> Bacon's Cipher Story (1893-5) who first revealed Bacon's real parents
>
> were Elizabeth I and the Earl of Leicester.
>
>
>
> Elizabeth has posted over and over Owen's discovering. One would
>
> think the case is closed. Nope!
>

> WEBB, YOU SH*T. YOU ARE SO DISHONEST. YOU WILL POST OVER
> AND OVER ON STUFF YOU ONLY IMAGINE I'VE WRITTEN. WHAT I
> REGRETTABLY HAD TO POST TO ROBIN WAS ABSOLUTELY FACTUAL.
>
> I SIMPLY DISMISSED OWEN BECAUSE HE'S 19TH CENTURY AND
> ALSO BECAUSE HE COULDN'T KEEP HIS FACTS STRAIGHT.
>
> AGAIN, STAY OUT OF MY POSTS, WEBB. YOU'RE JUST HERE TO SHOW
> OFF LIKE SOME SMALL BOY IN KINDERGARTEN; OH LOOK AT ME,
> LOOK AT ME.
>
> DON'T YOU GET ENOUGH ATTENTION AT HOME? ARE YOU
> STILL EMPLOYED AT DARTMOUTH? DOES YOUR WIFE STILL
> PUT UP WITH YOU?
>
>I WOULDN'T PUT UP WITH YOU FOR A MINUTE. YOUR SUITCASES
> WOULD BE PARKED ON THE DOORSTEP, ALL READY FOR YOU TO
> GO.

>
> Walter Conrad Arensberg, in his books Francis Bacon, William Butts,
>
> and the Pagets of Beaudesert (1929) and The Magic Ring of Francis
>
> Bacon (1930) revealed Bacon's parents were Lady Anne Bacon and Sir
>
> William Butts, eldest son of the physician to Henry VIII.

> THAT IS NOT FACTUAL, ROBIN/WEBB.
>
> PLEASE NOTE: THE ONLY RELIABLE SOURCE ON BACON IS
>
> THE ***DICTIONARY OF NATIONAL BIOGRAPHY*** WHICH USED
>
> TO, LEAST BE ONLINE. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON FOR THE
>
> DNB EDITORS TO HAVE TAKEN IT DOWN.

>
> established the Francis Bacon Foundation, so his claim must be true.
>
> I'm reminded of the old game show, To Tell The Truth. Will Francis
>
> Bacon's real parents please stand up.

ARE YOU, AND FOR THAT MATTER WEBB, ON MEDICATION? I HOPE
SO.
>
> AND KEEP IN MIND THAT GOOGLE HAS CHANGED ITS POLICIES
> ON HARASSMENT, SEXUAL OR OTHERWISE AND HAS MADE
> REPORTING OF HARASSMENT A MUCH SIMPLER PROCESS
> THAN PREVIOUSLY.

[Dominic Hughes]

On Jan 9, 9:04 am, "neonprose @ gmail.com" <neonpr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I can only hope that you are off your meds as that would be a
satisfactory explanation of the delusional nonsense you are posting
here. Please do seek help and do so soon.

Dom

[David L. Webb]

In article <d1b499b1-e3c3-4c7d...@googlegroups.com>,

"neonprose @ gmail.com" <neon...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:13:10 PM UTC-8, Robin G. wrote:

> > The scholars who study Francis Bacon's writings know his parents were
> > Sir Nicholas Bacon and Anne (Cooke) Bacon.
> >
> > It was Dr. Orville Ward Owen, in his five volume work, Sir Francis
> > Bacon's Cipher Story (1893-5) who first revealed Bacon's real parents
> > were Elizabeth I and the Earl of Leicester.
> >
> > Elizabeth has posted over and over Owen's discovering. One would
> > think the case is closed. Nope!

> WEBB, YOU SH*T. YOU ARE SO DISHONEST.

Huh? Why is Elizabeth addressing *me* here? As is quite evident
from the header (to the literate, at any rate), the above text was
written by Robin G., not by me. Elizabeth cannot track of who wrote
what, even when the authorship is clearly indicated in the header.

> YOU WILL POST OVER
> AND OVER ON STUFF YOU ONLY IMAGINE I'VE WRITTEN. WHAT I
> REGRETTABLY HAD TO POST TO ROBIN WAS ABSOLUTELY FACTUAL.

No, I pointed out countless risible blunders in what Elizabeth
posted.

In fact, the only "absolutely factual" posts that I can recall from
Elizabeth were her two recent completely blank posts, upon one of which
Peter Groves commented.

> I SIMPLY DISMISSED OWEN BECAUSE HE'S 19TH CENTURY AND

Then what *was* Elizabeth's source for her farcical fantasy that
Bacon's mother was Elizabeth Tudor? It *certainly* was not the _DNB_,
whose article on Bacon I quote from verbatim below.

> ALSO BECAUSE HE COULDN'T KEEP HIS FACTS STRAIGHT.

Comment would be superfluous.

> AGAIN, STAY OUT OF MY POSTS, WEBB.

If Elizabeth elects to post blatant, farcical falsehoods in a public
forum, she can expect them to be refuted.

> YOU'RE JUST HERE TO SHOW
> OFF LIKE SOME SMALL BOY IN KINDERGARTEN; OH LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME.
>
> DON'T YOU GET ENOUGH ATTENTION AT HOME?

My home life is none of Elizabeth's business, although she routinely
posts lurid, morbid, even obscene speculations about my marriage, about
my profession, about my religion, about my sexual orientation, and even
about the nature of my undergarments, *all* of which are risibly wrong,
and none of which are any of her business. Elizabeth's obsession with
aspects of my private life about which she knows absolutely nothing is
truly pathological.

> ARE YOU STILL EMPLOYED AT DARTMOUTH?

I have already answered this before -- not that my employment is any
of Elizabeth's business. Elizabeth's obsession with aspects of my
private life about which she knows absolutely nothing is truly
pathological.

> DOES YOUR WIFE STILL PUT UP WITH YOU?

I have already answered this before as well -- not that that marital
life is any of Elizabeth's business either. Elizabeth's obsession with
aspects of my private life about which she knows absolutely nothing is
truly pathological.

> I WOULDN'T PUT UP WITH YOU FOR A MINUTE. YOUR SUITCASES
> WOULD BE PARKED ON THE DOORSTEP, ALL READY FOR YOU TO GO.

One is tempted to inject here Sir Winston Churchill's reported
rejoinder to Lady Astor.

> > Walter Conrad Arensberg, in his books Francis Bacon, William Butts,
> > and the Pagets of Beaudesert (1929) and The Magic Ring of Francis
> > Bacon (1930) revealed Bacon's parents were Lady Anne Bacon and Sir
> > William Butts, eldest son of the physician to Henry VIII.

> THAT IS NOT FACTUAL, ROBIN/WEBB.

Now Elizabeth is confusing me with Robin?!?!

> PLEASE NOTE: THE ONLY RELIABLE SOURCE ON BACON

There are in fact *many* reliable source on Bacon, although Elizabeth
is manifestly ignorant of all of them.

> IS THE ***DICTIONARY OF NATIONAL BIOGRAPHY*** WHICH USED
> TO, LEAST BE ONLINE.

It still is. Here is what it says about the parenthood of Francis
Bacon:

"Bacon, Francis, Viscount St Alban (1561�1626), lord chancellor,
politician, and philosopher, was born on 22 January 1561 at York
House in the Strand, London, the second of the two sons of Sir
Nicholas Bacon (1510�1579), lord keeper, and his second wife,
Anne (c.1528�1610) [see Bacon, Anne], daughter of Sir Anthony
Cooke, tutor to Edward VI, and his wife, Anne, n�e Fitzwilliam."

Elizabeth can check this for herself at

<http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/990?docPos=1>

-- that is, if she can find a decent library with a subscription.

The _DNB_ article on Bacon says *nothing whatever* about Bacon being
the son of Queen Elizabeth I, the son of the Earl of Leicester, or any
of the lurid psychosexual rubbish that Elizabeth has been duped by or
has simply fantasized. Rather, it affirms what all of us who actually
know anything about Bacon already know quite well: his parents were Sir
Nicholas Bacon and his wife Anne.

> I DON'T SEE ANY REASON FOR THE DNB EDITORS TO HAVE TAKEN IT DOWN.

They didn't. It's still right there, as it has always been. I just
quoted the beginning of the article above.

> > established the Francis Bacon Foundation, so his claim must be true.
> > I'm reminded of the old game show, To Tell The Truth. Will Francis
> > Bacon's real parents please stand up.

> ARE YOU, AND FOR THAT MATTER WEBB, ON MEDICATION?

No. Not that that's any of Elizabeth's business either. Elizabeth's
obsession with aspects of my private life about which she knows nothing
is truly pathological.

> I HOPE SO.

> AND KEEP IN MIND THAT GOOGLE HAS CHANGED ITS POLICIES
> ON HARASSMENT, SEXUAL OR OTHERWISE AND HAS MADE
> REPORTING OF HARASSMENT A MUCH SIMPLER PROCESS
> THAN PREVIOUSLY.

First, as Elizabeth had been told many times, Google does not own,
operate, manage, or control access to h.l.a.s., or any other Usenet
newsgroup, for that matter.

Second, refuting Elizabeth's factual blunders and outright inventions
does not by any stretch of the imagination constitute "harassment";
indeed, Elizabeth's repeated whining about it is a stark reminder of her
cavalier disregard for the truth.

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

________________________________________________________________

> Thank you for providing us with interesting material, Robin, you
> always seem to be able to come up with something we can
> use to educate other posters to the facts of Bacon's productive
> life.
>
> On the other hand, I'm familiar with the Butts theory, it doesn't
> hold water. You have to come to terms with the fact that
> some Baconians, including very wealthy Baconians like
> Arensberg, let their enthusiasm for Bacon overwhelm their
> common sense.
>
> Bacon was, in fact the philosopher of common sense
> (empirical science) and did much to advance medicine,
> and scientific methods of testing, Pasteur was in awe of
> Bacon.

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:35:38 PM UTC-8, neonprose @ gmail.com wrote:
> ________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> > Thank you for providing us with interesting material, Robin, you
>
> > always seem to be able to come up with something we can
>
> > use to educate other posters to the facts of Bacon's productive
>
> > life.
>
> >
>
> > On the other hand, I'm familiar with the Butts theory, it doesn't
>
> > hold water. You have to come to terms with the fact that
>
> > some Baconians, including very wealthy Baconians like
>
> > Arensberg, let their enthusiasm for Bacon overwhelm their
>

> > common sense. Arensberg's title, The Magic Ring of
> > Francis Bacon, ought to tell us something about
> > Arensberg and his book.
>
> > There are some really good Baconian books out there,
>
> > for example, a British lawyer, Nigel Cockburn, wrote
>
> > a phenomenal book about Bacon, you can download
>
> > it online as a PDF. As a lawyer, Cockburn (pron. co-burn)
>
> > did not spare any expense in compiling this work.
>
> > It has something like 800 pages of extremely well
>
> > resourced material on Bacon's life, accomplishments,
>
> > his problems with the idiot Coke, There was simply no
>
> > Englishman in Bacon's era that accomplished as much

> > as Bacon.
>
> > His project, which he began very early at Cambridge
>
> > when he was still a kid, was to make the deplorably
>
> > illiterate English literate. Ultimately, through plays,
>
> > quartos, the First Folio, Bacon's project was a success.

>
> >
>
> >
>
> > The Magic Ring of Francis
> > Bacon (1930)>

> > Bacon was, in fact the philosopher of common sense
>
> > (empirical science) and did much to advance medicine,
>
> > and scientific methods of testing, Pasteur was in awe of
>
> > Bacon.

> Thank you for the post, now I have to apologize to Melanie
> (a wonderful woman) for suggesting that Shappere of
> Stratford was a panderer. I'm in serious doubt that she
> will ever forgive me.

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:13:10 PM UTC-8, Robin G. wrote:

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:13:10 PM UTC-8, Robin G. wrote:

> The scholars who study Francis Bacon's writings know his parents were
>
> Sir Nicholas Bacon and Anne (Cooke) Bacon.
>

> The historical accounts state that the Queen gave birth to
>
> her long time lover, the Earl of Leicester's son, and gave
>
> him to her closest confidants, the Lord Chancellor Bacon
>
> and his wife, Lady Anne.
>
> It was a wonderful choice on Elizabeth's part because Lady
>
> Anne was simply brilliant, a phenomenal linguist, famous
>
> for her translations even on the Continent. In addition,
>
> Lady Anne was grateful for Elizabeth's choice because
>
> Lady Anne could not conceive. It may have had something
>
> to do with Lord Bacon's weight problem. Lord Bacon
>
> was at least ambulatory, he and Francis would walk
>
> through London together every morning when the
>
> courts were in session, so at least the Lord Bacon was
>
> getting some exercise.

>
>
> It was Dr. Orville Ward Owen, in his five volume work, Sir Francis
>
> Bacon's Cipher Story (1893-5) who first revealed Bacon's real parents
>
> were Elizabeth I and the Earl of Leicester.
>

> That was absolutely the case, in fact the last Victorian era
>
> edition of the DNB absolutely confirms it. I don't know
>
> how all the bitching and moaning in HLAS is justified, but
>
> again, ELIZABETH HAD TWO SONS. That's historical fact.

>
> Elizabeth has posted over and over Owen's discovering. One would
>
> think the case is closed. Nope!
>

> WHEN, Robin, have I posted "over and over" on Owen's disovering [sic]?

>
> Walter Conrad Arensberg, in his books Francis Bacon, William Butts,
>
> and the Pagets of Beaudesert (1929) and The Magic Ring of Francis
>
> Bacon (1930) revealed Bacon's parents were Lady Anne Bacon and Sir
>
> William Butts, eldest son of the physician to Henry VIII.

> So you believe that Lady Anne Bacon is getting it on with Sir William
>
> Butts while her husband, the Lord Chancellor, is looking the other way?
>
> You've got to Curb Your Enthusiasm, Robin, yes, you are correct
>
> on the first points, but the rest is Owen's hallucination.

>
> established the Francis Bacon Foundation, so his claim must be true.
>

> Whatever you want to believe, Robin.

>
> I'm reminded of the old game show, To Tell The Truth. Will Francis
>
> Bacon's real parents please stand up.
>

> They'd have to first be exhumed, hey, dust to dust, etc.

[Robin G.]

On Jan 31, 4:10 pm, "neonprose @ gmail.com" <neonpr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:13:10 PM UTC-8, Robin G. wrote:
> > The scholars who study Francis Bacon's writings know his parents were
>
> > Sir Nicholas Bacon and Anne (Cooke) Bacon.
>
> > The historical accounts state that the Queen gave birth to
>
> > her long time lover, the Earl of Leicester's son, and gave
>
> > him to her closest confidants, the Lord Chancellor Bacon
>
> > and his wife, Lady Anne.

THERE ARE NO HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS.
THIS IS ONE OF YOUR MANY HALLUCINATIONS.

>
> > It was a wonderful choice on Elizabeth's part because Lady
>
> > Anne was simply brilliant, a phenomenal linguist, famous
>
> > for her translations even on the Continent.

BUT IN ONE OF YOUR OTHER POSTINGS YOU SAID LADY ANNE WAS INSANE.
WHICH IS IT OR DON'T YOU REMEMBER?

 In addition,
>
> > Lady Anne was grateful for Elizabeth's choice because
>
> > Lady Anne could not conceive.

THIS IS ANOTHER OF YOUR HALLUCINATIONS. THIS IS FROM WIKIPEDIA.

In 1553 Sir Nicholas Bacon married secondly Anne Cooke (1528–1610),
one of the daughters of Sir Anthony Cooke, by whom he had two sons,
Anthony (1558–1601) and Francis Bacon (1561–1626), who became Lord
Chancellor and was also a philosopher, author and scientist.

HOW COULD YOU FORGET ABOUT BACON'S OLDER BROTHER, ANTHONY? NO,
OXFORD WAS NOT BACON'S OLDER BROTHER!

>
> > getting some exercise.
>
> > It was Dr. Orville Ward Owen, in his five volume work, Sir Francis
>
> > Bacon's Cipher Story (1893-5) who first revealed Bacon's real parents
>

, ELIZABETH HAD TWO SONS.  That's historical fact.
>

NO, ELIZABETH DID NOT HAVE TWO SONS. THIS IS ANOTHER OF YOUR
HALLUCINATIONS!

>
> > So you believe that Lady Anne Bacon is getting it on with Sir William
>
> >  Butts while her husband, the Lord Chancellor, is looking the other way?

NO, I DON'T BELIEVE ARENSBERG. HE'S ANOTHER CRAZY BACON SUPPORTER
LIKE YOU!

>  on the first points, but the rest is Owen's hallucination.

ELIZABETH, YOU HAVE MANY HALLUCINATIONS, SO WHEN YOU SAY
OWEN HAD HALLUCINATION, IT'S THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK!

> > I'm reminded of the old game show, To Tell The Truth.  Will Francis
>
> > Bacon's real parents please stand up.

WHAT AN INTERESTING SHOW TO RECALL. ELIZABETH, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE
FOR YOU TO TELL THE TRUTH!

FRANCIS BACON'S PARENTS WERE LORD NICHOLAS BACON AND LADY ANNE.

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:13:10 PM UTC-8, Robin G. wrote:
>

> The scholars who study Francis Bacon's writings know his
>

> parents Sir Nicholas Bacon and Anne (Cooke) Bacon.
>.
> NOTE: The Bacons were the infant Bacon's foster parents,
>
> they were not his biological parents.
>
> I always get these chills when I think that if Bacon had not
>
> been sent to the Bacons or not had Lady Anne Cooke to
>
> tutor Bacon, we might not have had the scientific method
>
> not have profited from Bacon's scientific method and I would
>
> have died from lack of penicillin.

Elizabeth writes;:
>
> I don't think of most Baconians as "scholars" Robin, I think
>
> they're just trying to promote Bacon as a crucial historical
>
> figure. Bacon didn't limit himself to producing the First Folio
>
> (to make the Elizabethans literate) Bacon, Dee and the Digges,
>
> literally created the scientific movement in England. We wouldn't
>
> have penicillin (according to Pasteur) if Bacon had not
>
> devised the scientific method. I like to read up on the era in
>
> which Bacon was born, the Elizabethans were lewd, rude, crude
>
> and nearly all functionally illiterate but are nonetheless fascinating.

>
> Robin writes:
>
> It was Dr. Orville Ward Owen, in his five volume work,
>
> Sir Francis Bacon's Cipher Story (1893-5) who first revealed
>
> Bacon's real parents were Elizabeth I and the Earl of Leicester.
>

> In fact, Robin, Bacon's parents actually were the Queen and
>
> Leicester so chalk one up for you and Owen.
>
> Elizabeth has posted over and over Owen's discovering.[sic]
>
> I have not posted "over and over" re: Owen's discoveries.
>
> [sic] think the case is closed. Nope!
>
> My note to the gentle readers: I've never read Owen, know
>
> nothing about him, he appears to have been a devoted
>
> Baconian, wrote around the turn of the 19th century.
>
> And where is Melanie Sands? I have to apologize to
>
> Melanie.
>
> Francis Bacon Butts. Sigh.
>
> But wait, there's even more, a MAGIC RING!

>
> Walter Conrad Arensberg, in his books Francis Bacon,
>

> William Butts . . . yes, keep going . . . William . . . Will?
>
> In fact, Bacon had this little tagline "Will I Am" but he didn't
>
> write "Will I Am A Butt" so that suggests that Butt didn't
>
> raise Bacon [sigh]. I think that settles the question of Butt
>
> paternity.
>
> The Pagets of Beaudesert (1929) and The Magic Ring of Francis

>
> Bacon (1930) revealed Bacon's parents were Lady Anne Bacon
>

> and William Butts, eldest son of the physician to Henry VIII.
>
> There may (or may not) have been an Elizabethan physician
>
> (aka "physic") named Butts, but again, Bacon's father was
>
> not a Butt. Bacon's father was Leicester, of course, but
>
> Bacon's other father, was the brilliant lawyer, Lord Chancellor
>
> Nicholas Bacon. I can't stop thinking about what we would
>
> have lost if Elizabeth had not given her infant son over to
>
> the Bacons to raise. Lord Chancellor Bacon was very droll,
>
> he made jestes from the bench, which provided Bacon with
>
> his sense of humor. It's only too bad that Bacon's older
>
> (but smaller) brother Oxford could not have been raised with
>
> Bacon in the same household. I am fairly sure that the elder
>
> Bacons would not have allowed Oxford to go out into the
>
> dark alleys of London to kill townies with his little rapier.
>
> I think Oxford might have made a great mathematician under
>
> the tutelege of the Bacons, but the Queen had already sent
>
> Oxford away to Hedingham some years earlier. What a loss.

>
> Arensberg established the Francis Bacon Foundation, so his
>
> claim must be true.
>

> Yes, Arensberg was very wealthy, he could afford to fund
>
> the Francis Bacon Foundation but I don't think it had much
>
> impact. In fact, I think the Arensberg Foundation is still
>
> around to this very day but it may have gone Far Right Wing.
>
> I thought Arensberg funded the Yeti foundation in Tibet, but
>
> later discovered that the Yeti's originated the Hairy Yeti Story
>
> and the drinking game that follows.
>
> Robin writes: I'm reminded of the old game show,
>
> To Tell The Truth.
>
> Will Bacon's real parents please stand up?
>
> Well, not if they keep slugging down beer. I just saw
>
> William Butts headed toward the latrine, so it might
>
> be some time before he can walk straight.
>

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:13:10 PM UTC-8, Robin G. wrote:

> The scholars who study Francis Bacon's writings know his parents were
>
> Sir Nicholas Bacon and Anne (Cooke) Bacon.
>
> It was Dr. Orville Ward Owen, in his five volume work, Sir Francis
>
> Bacon's Cipher Story (1893-5) who first revealed Bacon's real parents
>
> were Elizabeth I and the Earl of Leicester.
>

> Elizabeth has posted over and over Owen's discovering.[sic] One would

>
> think the case is closed. Nope!
>

> Robin, go back into the HLAS archives and show me where I've
>
> (quote) "posted over and over on Owen's discovery."

>
> Walter Conrad Arensberg, in his books Francis Bacon, William Butts,
>
> and the Pagets of Beaudesert (1929) and The Magic Ring of Francis
>
> Bacon (1930) revealed Bacon's parents were Lady Anne Bacon and Sir
>
> William Butts, eldest son of the physician to Henry VIII. Arensberg
>
> established the Francis Bacon Foundation, so his claim must be true.
>
> I'm reminded of the old game show, To Tell The Truth. Will Francis
>
> Bacon's real parents please stand up.

> Sorry, Robin but you're wrong.
>
> Sir Nicholas Bacon and his wife Anne were NOT
>
> the natural parents of Francis Bacon, so-called.
>
> Elizabeth gave birth to Bacon a few days after she
>
> and Leicester were wed at Penshurst before a
>
> group of aristocratic friends who served as witnesses.

> The only motive that I can think of that would cause
>
> the Queen to give her son to the Bacons to raise
>
> would be the fact that Leicester was already involved
>
> with her beautiful younger cousin Lettice Knollys

> (and that is the correct spelling of Lettice Knollys)
>
> in some kind of irregular marriage. In fact Knollys
>
> was already pregnant with Leicester's child. Leicester

> was an expert in the area of irregular marriages with

> his irregular wives always the worse off.
>

> Worse still, Lettice Knollys, Leicester's mistress,
>
> delivered the infant who would inherit the Essex
>
> title, and much later, after attempting to kidnap
>
> the Queen, was taken to the Tower to be executed.
>
> Leicester was like the cuckoo who would lay eggs
>
> in the nest and then fly off and let other birds feed
>
> the cuckoo chicks.

>
> So the Bacons were thrilled to raise the Queene's son
>
> as Anne Bacon had produced only one son, Anthony.
>
> Sir Nicholas' enormous weight may have had
>
> something to do with the fact that Anne Bacon
>
> had difficulty conceiving children. That's typical
>
> when the husband is so obese.

>
>

> By the way, Robin, Webb has [sicked} up a lot of
>
> what he considers to be errors but he's only
>
> messing up the formatting with [sics]. I'm not
>
> responsible for any of Webb's [sics].