I can't remember where I read about this bit of graffiti, where it was found or
when it was found. Does anyone know? I think it was after Shakespeare's day
but I'm not sure.
Thanks
Dlragrla
I believe the guy who pinned it up was let off.
Can't remember where it went, or why Francis Lovell was described as a
dog... was it that Lovell was a common name for a dog (like Tybalt for a
cat?)? I did know but it's a while ago that I did my A level history
assignment on RIII...! ;)
*EllY*
"Nicholas Gestalt" <dlra...@aol.comnet> wrote in message
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The fact that it was written against Richard III means that it was before
Shakespears day...
"Nicholas Gestalt" <dlra...@aol.comnet> wrote in message
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<<We shall look at two men who are grouped with Lord Lovel
in the famous rhyme by William Colyngbourne:
The Cat, the Rat and Lovel our Dog
Doe rule all England under a Hog
This demonstrates the fifteenth century fondness for identifying people
by puns on their names or by using their heraldic crests or badges
(Lovel's crest was a silver wolf-dog and of course
the hog is a reference to Richard III's badge of the white boar).
If the general effect of the rhyme and reading Shakespeare's play
leave you imagining Catesby, Ratcliffe and Lovel as Richard's gang of
three henchmen then have another look at the true facts of history.
William Catesby came from a minor Northamptonshire family and was
trained as a lawyer. By a combination of useful contacts, family
connections and legal astuteness he acquired posts as legal adviser,
steward or councillor to a number of noble families, including Lord
Zouche, Lord Scrope of Bolton, Lord Hastings and the Duke of Buckingham.
He was one of Edward IV's councillors and became a member of the council
of Richard III, from whom he received many grants and a knighthood. He
rose to be Speaker of the House of Commons in 1484. But as he rose by
supporting the House of York, so he fell with them and was executed
after the Battle of Bosworth on the 25th August 1485, in his will
calling on 'My Lordis Stanley, Strange and all that blod, help and pray
for my soule for ye have not for my body as I trusted you'. Luckily for
us the details of Catesby's life and career have been fully described in
two articles: 'William Catesby, Counsellor to Richard III' by J.S.
Roskell (from the Bulletin of the John Rylands Library, Vol. 42, 1969)
and 'The Hastily Drawn up Will of William Catesby, 25th August 1485' by
Daniel Williams - which despite the title contains a good deal of
information on his successful legal and political career (from
Leicestershire Archaeological and Historical Society Transactions, Vol.
51, 1975-6). Sir Richard Ratcliffe, or Radcliffe, also from a minor
county family, did well being the right man in the right place. He was
knighted at Tewkesbury and by the mid-1470s he was Constable of Barnard
Castle and a member of Richard's council at Middleham. He married Agnes,
daughter of Lord Scrope of Bolton. He served in the campaigns against
the Scots and rose high in Richard's favour, receiving many grants and
official posts. He was killed with his king at Bosworth. If his will
survived it might have afforded us a glimpse of his personality but so
far as I know it has not.>>
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http://www.cgocable.net/~tbryce/dramatis.html
The Cat, The Rat, and Lovel our Dog...
<<William Catesby came from a minor Northamptonshire family and trained
to become a lawyer. He was reputed to be a very good lawyer, and used
his family connections to gain posts as legal advisor, steward and
councillor to various noble families including: Lorde Zouche, Lord
Scrope of Bolton, the Duke of Buckingham and Lord Hastings. It was with
Lord Hastings approval, and perhaps encouragement that Richard III asked
Catesby to join his council. Lord Hastings was said to have trusted
Catesby implicitly. It is therefore ironic that when Richard III
discovered Hastings' betrayal in 1483, he sent Catesby to win him over.
Sir Thomas More implies further that Catesby influenced Richard to get
rid of Hastings, and it must be said that Catesby profited considerably
in lands and annuities as a result of Hastings' death. Catesby quickly
became one of Richard III's closest confidants. The Croyland Chronicler
refers to William Catesby and Richard Ratcliffe as those "to whose
opinions the king hardly dared offer an opposition". Catesby was made
Esquire of the King's Body and in the Parliament of 1484 he was chosen
Speaker of the House. This sitting of Parliament witnessed the enactment
of Titulus Regius, and brought various acts of attainder against rebels
-- Lord Hastings and his co-conspirators. Notably, despite the fact that
the King had financial problems, no new taxes were imposed and six
important statutes were passed. The statutes concerned the powers of
noble lords over the people on their estates. Three of the statutes were
directed at correcting economic injustices and the further three
statutes were to protect the rights of individuals against abuses of the
law itself. The common man under King Richard III no doubt welcomed
these new laws; the noble lords of the realm did not. In 1485, when
rumours surfaced of a plan by Richard to marry Elizabeth of York, the
eldest daughter of his brother Edward IV, Catesby and Ratcliffe were
said to be at the forefront of the opposition to such a marriage. It is
claimed Catesby told Richard the whole of the North would rise against
him in indignation, and he brought twelve Doctors of Divinity to assure
the King that the Pope would never grant him a dispensation. Shortly
after, Richard publicly announced that he had no intentions towards
Elizabeth, and is said to have ordered that the bearers of the false
tale be apprehended and their sources traced. Catesby was with Richard
III during the last months of his reign. In mid-May of 1485, Catesby
travelled with Richard, Lord Stanley, John Kendall and others to
Windsor, then on to Kenilworth where they stayed for two weeks. In
mid-June, Catesby remained with Richard in Nottingham. In July, Catesby
and other councillors begged Richard to refuse Lord Stanley's request to
return to his estates. Catesby also played a part in taking Lord
Stanley's son Lord Strange hostage, as a means to secure Stanley's
loyalty in his absence from court. During the Battle of Bosworth,
Catesby was at Richard's side on Abion Hill. At the height of the
battle, shortly before Lord Stanley's betrayal, Catesby is said to have
urged Richard to retreat, insisting "a single battle need not decide
all". Notably, after Richard's refusal, Catesby did not ride into battle
with his sovereign lord. Three days after Bosworth, Catesby was captured
and executed at Leicester. In his last will and testament, he begged for
mercy claiming he "ever loved Henry Tudor". So ended the life of
Richard's "Cat".>>
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<<Sir John Catesby, born in 1433 in Whiston, Northamptonshire, England,
was Justice of the Common Pleas for England. Busts of him and his wife
are located at Whiston Church in Northamptonshire.
William "The Cat" Catesby was a knight and counselor to King Richard
III. Richard III fought and lost to Henry Tudor at the Battle of
Bosworth Field in 1485. Being on the losing side, William was beheaded
three days later, 25 August 1485, though he was allowed to make his will
before death. Shakespeare's play "Richard III" has Catesby in it. The
famous phrase referring to the political situation at the time: "The
Cat, the Rat [Ratcliffe], and Lovell our dog, Ruleth all England under a
Hog." refers to Catesby as the Cat.
Robert Catesby was chief architect of the Gunpowder Plot, a scheme to
blow up and destroy the throne of King James I. Guy Fawkes was one of
the conspirators and today England still celebrates Guy Fawkes Day.
James I treated Catholics badly which provoked the conspirators to act.
The plot was discovered when someone found black powder placed in
Parliament's lower chambers. All the conspirators paid a heavy price,
most with their lives, including Robert.
Mark Catesby was at the time the world's foremost "naturalist" who came
to the Virginia Colony in 1712. He visited parts of Virginia, the
Carolinas, Florida, and the Bahamas, creating some 35,000 drawings of
fauna and flora particular to the colonies and Bahamas. His prints sell
today for as much as $3500.00. Mark was made a member of the Royal
Society on 3 May 1733 while back in England. Today Queen Elizabeth II
owns several of his original drawings and they are located in the Royal
Library at Windsor Castle.
The Cocke-Catesby genealogical line was created when Dr. William Cocke
of Sudbury, Suffolk County, England, married Elizabeth Jekyll Catesby of
Castle Hedingham, Essex County, England, on 4 September 1699. Dr. Cocke
entered Queen's College, Cambridge, in 1688, taking his M.B. degree in
1693 and was elected a fellow in 1694. He became a prominent doctor and
politician while concurrently forming an association with Alexander
Spotswood. On 18 February 1710 Spotswood was appointed Lt. Governor of
the Virginia Colony and he persuaded Dr. Cocke to sail with him to serve
as his personal physician. Orders were given from the admiralty on 31
May 1710 to convey the party to Virginia, arrival being 22 June 1710.
Phillip Ludwell, Councillor, Edmund Jennings, Secretary of the Virginia
Colony, and William Byrd II greeted then at Green Spring Plantation.
Spotswood and Jennings later recommended Dr. Cocke to be Secretary of
the Virginia Colony and he was sworn in on 10 Jun 1712. Dr. Cocke later
became a member of the Council (similar to today's U.S. Supreme Court)
and died at the Capitol on 22 October 1720. Dr. Cocke is entombed in the
floor of Bruton Parish Church in Williamsburg, VA, between the first two
pews. A large plaque on the wall honors him. Elizabeth Catesby's
ancestral line has been traced to one Sasfrid de Catesby who was alive
in 1086 A.D., as confirmed by William the Conqueror's Domesday Book
which listed all property and owners in England. During a family reunion
in 1997 in England, a visit was made to the site where Sasfrid lived as
noted in the Domesday Book. Many Catesby members have been famous and
infamous in English history.
Catesby descendants from the marriage of Peter Presley Cocke and Alice
Reeding Hooe are through her line descendants of Henry VIII. Henry
VIII's wife Ann Boleyn birthed Queen Elizabeth I, ancestor of today's
Queen Elizabeth II. Also through Alice Hooe's line the family descends
from five who signed the Magna Carta in 1215 and William de Warenne,
mentioned in the Preamble of the Magna Carta, who descended from
Charlemagne.>>
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Art Neuendorffer
This plot got rid of, and Sir Walter Raleigh safely shut up in the
Tower, his Sowship held a great dispute with the Puritans on their
presenting a petition to him, and had it all his own way - not so
very wonderful, as he would talk continually, and would not hear
anybody else - and filled the Bishops with admiration. It was
comfortably settled that there was to be only one form of religion,
and that all men were to think exactly alike. But, although this
was arranged two centuries and a half ago, and although the
arrangement was supported by much fining and imprisonment, I do not
find that it is quite successful, even yet.
His Sowship, having that uncommonly high opinion of himself as a
king, had a very low opinion of Parliament as a power that
audaciously wanted to control him. When he called his first
Parliament after he had been king a year, he accordingly thought he
would take pretty high ground with them, and told them that he
commanded them 'as an absolute king.' The Parliament thought those
strong words, and saw the necessity of upholding their authority.
His Sowship had three children: Prince Henry, Prince Charles, and
the Princess Elizabeth. It would have been well for one of these,
and we shall too soon see which, if he had learnt a little wisdom
concerning Parliaments from his father's obstinacy.
Now, the people still labouring under their old dread of the
Catholic religion, this Parliament revived and strengthened the
severe laws against it. And this so angered ROBERT CATESBY, a
restless Catholic gentleman of an old family, that he formed one of
the most desperate and terrible designs ever conceived in the mind
of man; no less a scheme than the Gunpowder Plot.
His object was, when the King, lords, and commons, should be
assembled at the next opening of Parliament, to blow them up, one
and all, with a great mine of gunpowder. The first person to whom
he confided this horrible idea was THOMAS WINTER, a Worcestershire
gentleman who had served in the army abroad, and had been secretly
employed in Catholic projects. While Winter was yet undecided, and
when he had gone over to the Netherlands, to learn from the Spanish
Ambassador there whether there was any hope of Catholics being
relieved through the intercession of the King of Spain with his
Sowship, he found at Ostend a tall, dark, daring man, whom he had
known when they were both soldiers abroad, and whose name was GUIDO
- or GUY - FAWKES. Resolved to join the plot, he proposed it to
this man, knowing him to be the man for any desperate deed, and
they two came back to England together. Here, they admitted two
other conspirators; THOMAS PERCY, related to the Earl of
Northumberland, and JOHN WRIGHT, his brother-in-law. All these met
together in a solitary house in the open fields which were then
near Clement's Inn, now a closely blocked-up part of London; and
when they had all taken a great oath of secrecy, Catesby told the
rest what his plan was. They then went up-stairs into a garret,
and received the Sacrament from FATHER GERARD, a Jesuit, who is
said not to have known actually of the Gunpowder Plot, but who, I
think, must have had his suspicions that there was something
desperate afoot.
Percy was a Gentleman Pensioner, and as he had occasional duties to
perform about the Court, then kept at Whitehall, there would be
nothing suspicious in his living at Westminster. So, having looked
well about him, and having found a house to let, the back of which
joined the Parliament House, he hired it of a person named FERRIS,
for the purpose of undermining the wall. Having got possession of
this house, the conspirators hired another on the Lambeth side of
the Thames, which they used as a storehouse for wood, gunpowder,
and other combustible matters. These were to be removed at night
(and afterwards were removed), bit by bit, to the house at
Westminster; and, that there might be some trusty person to keep
watch over the Lambeth stores, they admitted another conspirator,
by name ROBERT KAY, a very poor Catholic gentleman.
All these arrangements had been made some months, and it was a
dark, wintry, December night, when the conspirators, who had been
in the meantime dispersed to avoid observation, met in the house at
Westminster, and began to dig. They had laid in a good stock of
eatables, to avoid going in and out, and they dug and dug with
great ardour. But, the wall being tremendously thick, and the work
very severe, they took into their plot CHRISTOPHER WRIGHT, a
younger brother of John Wright, that they might have a new pair of
hands to help. And Christopher Wright fell to like a fresh man,
and they dug and dug by night and by day, and Fawkes stood sentinel
all the time. And if any man's heart seemed to fail him at all,
Fawkes said, 'Gentlemen, we have abundance of powder and shot here,
and there is no fear of our being taken alive, even if discovered.'
The same Fawkes, who, in the capacity of sentinel, was always
prowling about, soon picked up the intelligence that the King had
prorogued the Parliament again, from the seventh of February, the
day first fixed upon, until the third of October. When the
conspirators knew this, they agreed to separate until after the
Christmas holidays, and to take no notice of each other in the
meanwhile, and never to write letters to one another on any
account. So, the house in Westminster was shut up again, and I
suppose the neighbours thought that those strange-looking men who
lived there so gloomily, and went out so seldom, were gone away to
have a merry Christmas somewhere.
It was the beginning of February, sixteen hundred and five, when
Catesby met his fellow-conspirators again at this Westminster
house. He had now admitted three more; JOHN GRANT, a Warwickshire
gentleman of a melancholy temper, who lived in a doleful house near
Stratford-upon-Avon, with a frowning wall all round it, and a deep
moat; ROBERT WINTER, eldest brother of Thomas; and Catesby's own
servant, THOMAS BATES, who, Catesby thought, had had some suspicion
of what his master was about. These three had all suffered more or
less for their religion in Elizabeth's time. And now, they all
began to dig again, and they dug and dug by night and by day.
They found it dismal work alone there, underground, with such a
fearful secret on their minds, and so many murders before them.
They were filled with wild fancies. Sometimes, they thought they
heard a great bell tolling, deep down in the earth under the
Parliament House; sometimes, they thought they heard low voices
muttering about the Gunpowder Plot; once in the morning, they
really did hear a great rumbling noise over their heads, as they
dug and sweated in their mine. Every man stopped and looked aghast
at his neighbour, wondering what had happened, when that bold
prowler, Fawkes, who had been out to look, came in and told them
that it was only a dealer in coals who had occupied a cellar under
the Parliament House, removing his stock in trade to some other
place. Upon this, the conspirators, who with all their digging and
digging had not yet dug through the tremendously thick wall,
changed their plan; hired that cellar, which was directly under the
House of Lords; put six-and-thirty barrels of gunpowder in it, and
covered them over with fagots and coals. Then they all dispersed
again till September, when the following new conspirators were
admitted; SIR EDWARD BAYNHAM, of Gloucestershire; SIR EVERARD
DIGBY, of Rutlandshire; AMBROSE ROOKWOOD, of Suffolk; FRANCIS
TRESHAM, of Northamptonshire. Most of these were rich, and were to
assist the plot, some with money and some with horses on which the
conspirators were to ride through the country and rouse the
Catholics after the Parliament should be blown into air.
Parliament being again prorogued from the third of October to the
fifth of November, and the conspirators being uneasy lest their
design should have been found out, Thomas Winter said he would go
up into the House of Lords on the day of the prorogation, and see
how matters looked. Nothing could be better. The unconscious
Commissioners were walking about and talking to one another, just
over the six-and-thirty barrels of gunpowder. He came back and
told the rest so, and they went on with their preparations. They
hired a ship, and kept it ready in the Thames, in which Fawkes was
to sail for Flanders after firing with a slow match the train that
was to explode the powder. A number of Catholic gentlemen not in
the secret, were invited, on pretence of a hunting party, to meet
Sir Everard Digby at Dunchurch on the fatal day, that they might be
ready to act together. And now all was ready.
But, now, the great wickedness and danger which had been all along
at the bottom of this wicked plot, began to show itself. As the
fifth of November drew near, most of the conspirators, remembering
that they had friends and relations who would be in the House of
Lords that day, felt some natural relenting, and a wish to warn
them to keep away. They were not much comforted by Catesby's
declaring that in such a cause he would blow up his own son. LORD
MOUNTEAGLE, Tresham's brother-in-law, was certain to be in the
house; and when Tresham found that he could not prevail upon the
rest to devise any means of sparing their friends, he wrote a
mysterious letter to this lord and left it at his lodging in the
dusk, urging him to keep away from the opening of Parliament,
'since God and man had concurred to punish the wickedness of the
times.' It contained the words 'that the Parliament should receive
a terrible blow, and yet should not see who hurt them.' And it
added, 'the danger is past, as soon as you have burnt the letter.'
The ministers and courtiers made out that his Sowship, by a direct
miracle from Heaven, found out what this letter meant. The truth
is, that they were not long (as few men would be) in finding out
for themselves; and it was decided to let the conspirators alone,
until the very day before the opening of Parliament. That the
conspirators had their fears, is certain; for, Tresham himself said
before them all, that they were every one dead men; and, although
even he did not take flight, there is reason to suppose that he had
warned other persons besides Lord Mounteagle. However, they were
all firm; and Fawkes, who was a man of iron, went down every day
and night to keep watch in the cellar as usual. He was there about
two in the afternoon of the fourth, when the Lord Chamberlain and
Lord Mounteagle threw open the door and looked in. 'Who are you,
friend?' said they. 'Why,' said Fawkes, 'I am Mr. Percy's servant,
and am looking after his store of fuel here.' 'Your master has
laid in a pretty good store,' they returned, and shut the door, and
went away. Fawkes, upon this, posted off to the other conspirators
to tell them all was quiet, and went back and shut himself up in
the dark, black cellar again, where he heard the bell go twelve
o'clock and usher in the fifth of November. About two hours
afterwards, he slowly opened the door, and came out to look about
him, in his old prowling way. He was instantly seized and bound,
by a party of soldiers under SIR THOMAS KNEVETT. He had a watch
upon him, some touchwood, some tinder, some slow matches; and there
was a dark lantern with a candle in it, lighted, behind the door.
He had his boots and spurs on - to ride to the ship, I suppose -
and it was well for the soldiers that they took him so suddenly.
If they had left him but a moment's time to light a match, he
certainly would have tossed it in among the powder, and blown up
himself and them.
They took him to the King's bed-chamber first of all, and there the
King (causing him to be held very tight, and keeping a good way
off), asked him how he could have the heart to intend to destroy so
many innocent people? 'Because,' said Guy Fawkes, 'desperate
diseases need desperate remedies.' To a little Scotch favourite,
with a face like a terrier, who asked him (with no particular
wisdom) why he had collected so much gunpowder, he replied, because
he had meant to blow Scotchmen back to Scotland, and it would take
a deal of powder to do that. Next day he was carried to the Tower,
but would make no confession. Even after being horribly tortured,
he confessed nothing that the Government did not already know;
though he must have been in a fearful state - as his signature,
still preserved, in contrast with his natural hand-writing before
he was put upon the dreadful rack, most frightfully shows. Bates,
a very different man, soon said the Jesuits had had to do with the
plot, and probably, under the torture, would as readily have said
anything. Tresham, taken and put in the Tower too, made
confessions and unmade them, and died of an illness that was heavy
upon him. Rookwood, who had stationed relays of his own horses all
the way to Dunchurch, did not mount to escape until the middle of
the day, when the news of the plot was all over London. On the
road, he came up with the two Wrights, Catesby, and Percy; and they
all galloped together into Northamptonshire. Thence to Dunchurch,
where they found the proposed party assembled. Finding, however,
that there had been a plot, and that it had been discovered, the
party disappeared in the course of the night, and left them alone
with Sir Everard Digby. Away they all rode again, through
Warwickshire and Worcestershire, to a house called Holbeach, on the
borders of Staffordshire. They tried to raise the Catholics on
their way, but were indignantly driven off by them. All this time
they were hotly pursued by the sheriff of Worcester, and a fast
increasing concourse of riders. At last, resolving to defend
themselves at Holbeach, they shut themselves up in the house, and
put some wet powder before the fire to dry. But it blew up, and
Catesby was singed and blackened, and almost killed, and some of
the others were sadly hurt. Still, knowing that they must die,
they resolved to die there, and with only their swords in their
hands appeared at the windows to be shot at by the sheriff and his
assistants. Catesby said to Thomas Winter, after Thomas had been
hit in the right arm which dropped powerless by his side, 'Stand by
me, Tom, and we will die together!' - which they did, being shot
through the body by two bullets from one gun. John Wright, and
Christopher Wright, and Percy, were also shot. Rookwood and Digby
were taken: the former with a broken arm and a wound in his body
too.
It was the fifteenth of January, before the trial of Guy Fawkes,
and such of the other conspirators as were left alive, came on.
They were all found guilty, all hanged, drawn, and quartered:
some, in St. Paul's Churchyard, on the top of Ludgate-hill; some,
before the Parliament House. A Jesuit priest, named HENRY GARNET,
to whom the dreadful design was said to have been communicated, was
taken and tried; and two of his servants, as well as a poor priest
who was taken with him, were tortured without mercy. He himself
was not tortured, but was surrounded in the Tower by tamperers and
traitors, and so was made unfairly to convict himself out of his
own mouth. He said, upon his trial, that he had done all he could
to prevent the deed, and that he could not make public what had
been told him in confession - though I am afraid he knew of the
plot in other ways. He was found guilty and executed, after a
manful defence, and the Catholic Church made a saint of him; some
rich and powerful persons, who had had nothing to do with the
project, were fined and imprisoned for it by the Star Chamber; the
Catholics, in general, who had recoiled with horror from the idea
of the infernal contrivance, were unjustly put under more severe
laws than before; and this was the end of the Gunpowder Plot.
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Art Neuendorffer
'Easy', I thought, 'that's in *Richard III*'; but it isn't. So why
did I think so? My guess is that Olivier used it in his film of
*Richard III*. Anybody remember?
Here's how Brewer puts it:
"Rat, Cat, and Dog.
The cat, the rat, and Lovel our dog,
Rule all England under an hog.
The famous lines affixed to the door of St. Paul's and other
places in the City of London in 1484 at the instigation of
William Collyngburne, for which, according to the *Great
Chronicle of London*, "he was drawn unto the Tower Hill and
there full cruelly put to death, at first hanged and straight
cut down and ripped, and his bowels cast into the fire". The
rhyme implied that the kingdom was ruled by Francis, Viscount
Lovel, the king's "spaniel" or dog; Sir Richard Ratcliffe, the
Rat; and William Catesby, Speaker of the House of Commons, the
Cat. The Hog was the white boar or cognizance of Richard III."
Peter F.
pet...@rey.prestel.co.uk
http://www2.prestel.co.uk/rey/
So Luther took his cue from William Collyngburne:
(33 years later) the 95 Theses
nailed on the door of the Castle Church
in Wittenburg, Germany on Halloween, 1517.
Art Neuendorffer
"On 31 October 1517, Dr Martin Luther, professor of theology in the
recently founded Saxon University of Wittenberg, nailed a paper of
Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the Castle Church in that town.
There was nothing unusual about this. Any scholar who wished to
defend any propositions of law or doctrine could invite learned
debate by putting forth such theses, and church doors were the
customary place for medieval publicity."
(Opening words of G.R. Elton, "Reformation Europe 1517-1559")
ew...@bcs.org.uk
"The cat, the rat, and Lovel our dog,
Rule all England under an hog."
were affixed to the door of St. Paul's in 1484
at the instigation of William Collyngburne.
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As I was going to St. Ives,
I met a man with seven wives.
Each wife had seven sacks,
Each sack had seven cats,
Each cat had seven kits.
Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
How many were going to St. Ives?
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Hans Sachs' wife & seven kids all died in 1570.
http://www.icg.fas.harvard.edu/~chaucer/canttales/milt/hansachs.html
[The prophet Mohammed was born on Jan. 19, 570.]
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Hans Sachs, (Nov. 5 1494 - Jan. 19, 1576)
<<German poet, leading meistersinger of the Nuremberg school.
A shoemaker and guild master, he wrote more than
4,000 master songs in addition to some 2,000 fables,
tales in verse (Schwanke), morality plays, and farces. His Shrovetide
plays, humorous and dramatically effective, present an informative
picture of life in 16th-century Nuremberg. An ardent follower of
Luther,
Sachs wrote the poem “The Nightingale of WITTENBERG” in Luther’s honor.
Many of his melodies were later adapted as Protestant hymn tunes.
Hans Sachs is a principal character in several operas, notably
Richard Wagner’s Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg.>>
http://www.bartleby.com/65/sa/Sachs-Ha.html
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Hamlet, Prince of Denmark Act 1, Scene 2
KING CLAUDIUS For your intent
In going back to school in WITTENBERG,
It is most retrograde to our desire:
And we beseech you, bend you to remain
Here, in the cheer and comfort of our eye,
Our chiefest courtier, cousin, and our son.
QUEEN GERTRUDE Let not thy mother lose her prayers, Hamlet:
I pray thee, stay with us; go not to WITTENBERG.
HAMLET Sir, my good friend; I'll change that name with you:
And what make you from WITTENBERG, Horatio? Marcellus?
HAMLET I am very glad to see you. Good even, sir.
But what, in faith, make you from WITTENBERG?
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> Neuendorffer <ph...@erols.com> wrote:
> > So Luther took his cue from William Collyngburne:
> >
> > (33 years later) the 95 Theses
> > nailed on the door of the Castle Church
> > in Wittenburg, Germany on Halloween, 1517.
Robert Stonehouse wrote:
> "On 31 October 1517, Dr Martin Luther, professor of theology in the
> recently founded Saxon University of WITTENBERG, nailed a paper of
> Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the Castle Church in that town.
> There was nothing unusual about this. Any scholar who wished to
> defend any propositions of law or doctrine could invite learned
> debate by putting forth such theses, and church doors were the
> customary place for medieval publicity."
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"Invite learned debate?"
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[William Collyngburne] was subsequently hanged and straight
cut down and ripped, and his bowels cast into the fire".
[Even the Goon Squad hasn't resorted to this level yet.]
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Art Neuendorffer