Eleanor Bull, and John Bull, maybe a spy...
Lyra
^^^^^^
Eleanor Bull was the widow of Richard Bull of Deptford.
Some research into the Bull family has shown they had a coat-of-arms.
I don't recall details of the family, but I wonder if it includes the
following...
note that he may have carried out work as a spy...
^^^^^^
also, Christopher Marlowe's link to the Chapel Royal,
where John Bull was a singer and an organist.
(quote)
Dido, Queen of Carthage based on Virgil for the Children of the Chapel
Royal c. 1583/4
^^^^^^
(quote, excerpts)
^^^^^^
John Bull (composer)
John Bull (1562 or 1563-March 12, 1628) was a English composer,
musician, and organ builder. He was a renowned keyboard performer and
most of his compositions were written for this medium.
Life
John Bull was probably born in Hereford in England[1]. In 1573 he
joined the choir at Hereford cathedral,
and the next year joined the Children of the Chapel Royal in London,
where he studied with John Blitheman and William Hunnis; in addition
to singing he learned to play the organ at this time.
In 1586 he received his degree from Oxford, and he became a Gentleman
of the Chapel Royal that same year. In 1591 he became organist at the
Chapel Royal; in 1592 he received his doctorate from Oxford,
and in 1596 he became the first professor of music at Gresham College
on the recommendation of Queen Elizabeth who admired him greatly.
There is some evidence that she sent Bull on espionage missions. [2]
^^^^^^
Notes
1. ^ John Bull: Keyboard Music. Calendar of the Life of John Bull,
compiled by Thurston Dart, vol I, p. xxi.
2. ^ Leigh Henry, pp.153-170.
^^^^^^
On the death of Elizabeth, he entered into the service of King James.
Throughout this time he was establishing a reputation for himself as a
skilled composer, keyboard performer and improviser.
Bull left England secretly and with great haste in 1613, fleeing the
wrath of the Archbishop of Canterbury and King James I himself; the
charge this time was adultery.
Bull remained in the Netherlands, where it seems he stayed out of
trouble. In 1615 Antwerp Cathedral appointed him as assistant
organist, and as principal organist in 1617.
Bull wrote a series of letters while in the Netherlands, including one
to the mayor of Antwerp, claiming that the reason he left England was
to escape religious persecution, since he was a Catholic; he seems to
have been believed, for he was never extradited back to England.
In the 1620s he continued his career as an organist, organ builder and
consultant. He died in Antwerp.
^^^^^^
Works
Bull was one of the most famous composers of keyboard music of the
early 17th century, exceeded only by Sweelinck in the Netherlands,
Frescobaldi in Italy, and, some would say, by his countryman and
elder, the celebrated William Byrd. He left many compositions for
virginals, some of which were collected in the Fitzwilliam Virginal
Book.
His first (and only) publication, in 1612 or 1613, was a contribution
of seven pieces forming part of a collection of virginal music
entitled Parthenia, or the Maydenhead of the First Musicke That Ever
Was Printed for the Virginalls, dedicated to the 15-year-old Princess
Elizabeth, who was his student, on the occasion of her betrothal to
Frederick, Elector Palatine of the Rhine. The other contributors to
Parthenia were Bull's contemporaries William Byrd and Orlando Gibbons,
among the most famous composers of the age. Bull also wrote an anthem,
God the father, God the son, for the wedding in 1613 of the Princess
to Prince Friedrich, the Elector Palatinate.
In addition to his keyboard compositions, he wrote verse anthems,
canons and other works. His 5 part anthem Almighty God, Which By The
Leading of a Star, known colloquially as the Star Anthem was the most
popular Jacobean verse anthem occurring in more contemporary sources
than any other.
Much of his music was lost when he fled England; some was destroyed,
and some was stolen by other composers, though occasionally such
misattributions can be corrected today based on stylistic grounds. One
of the most unusual collections of music from the period is his book
of 120 canons, an astonishing display of contrapuntal skill worthy of
Ockeghem or J.S. Bach. 116 of the 120 are based on the Miserere.
Techniques employed to transform the simple theme include diminution,
augmentation, retrograde and mixed time signatures. Some of his music
in the Fitzwilliam Virginal Book is of a lighter character and uses
whimsical titles: "A Battle and No Battle," "Bonny Peg of Ramsey,"
"The King's Hunt," "Bull's Good-Night."
He is sometimes attributed with the composition of God Save the Queen,
the British national anthem.
References and further reading
Wikisource has an original article from the 1911 Encyclopædia
Britannica about:
Bull, John
Notes
1. ^ John Bull: Keyboard Music. Calendar of the Life of John Bull,
compiled by Thurston Dart, vol I, p. xxi.
2. ^ Leigh Henry, pp.153-170.
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bull_%28composer%29"
Categories: 1562 births | 1628 deaths | Baroque composers |
Renaissance composers | Welsh composers | Tudor people
Lyra
>
^^^^^^
>
> Eleanor Bull was the widow of Richard Bull of Deptford.
>
> Some research into the Bull family has shown they had a coat-of-arms.
>
> I don't recall details of the family, but I wonder if it includes the
> following...
>
> note that he may have carried out work as a spy...
>
^^^^^^
>
> also, Christopher Marlowe's link to the Chapel Royal,
>
> where John Bull was a singer and an organist.
>
> (quote)
>
> Dido, Queen of Carthage based on Virgil for the Children of the Chapel
> Royal c. 1583/4
>
^^^^^^
a translation by google online,
of a page at Wikipedia in German,
fixed a little by me...
(quote)
^^^^^^
Eleanor Bull must have been a respected lady, widow of Richard Bull
with connections to the yard.
Its (? Her, I think...) sister Blanche was the godfather daughter (god-
daughter?)
of Blanche Parry, the nurse of queen Elizabeth. [82]
Eleanor Bull's brother-in-law Dr. John Bull stood likewise in services
of the founder of the British secret service Sir Francis Walsingham
with expanded journeys by England and the continent.
^^^^^^
82. ↑ H.A.Shield, The death of Marlowe, N&Q, 1957
^^^^^^
the google translation...
„Eleanor bulletin “must have been a respected lady, widow of „Richard
bulletin “with connections to the yard. Its sister Blanche was the
godfather daughter of Blanche Perry, the Amme of queen Elizabeth and
Cousine von Lord Burghley. [82] Eleanor Bulls brother-in-law Dr. John
bulletin stood likewise in services „of the founder of the British
secret service “Sir Francis Walsingham with expanded journeys by
England and the continent.
^^^^^^
http://www.google.com/language_tools
^^^^^^
from the original page...
„Eleanor Bull“ muss eine respektierte Dame gewesen sein, Witwe von
„Richard Bull“ mit Verbindungen zum Hof. Ihre Schwester Blanche war
die Patentochter von Blanche Perry, der Amme von Königin Elisabeth und
Cousine von Lord Burghley. [82] Eleanor Bulls Schwager Dr.John Bull
stand ebenfalls in Diensten des „Begründers des britischen
Geheimdienstes“ Sir Francis Walsingham mit ausgedehnten Reisen durch
England und den Kontinent.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Marlowe
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Lyra
^^^^^^
A picture of the composer
John Bull
(also, singer, and organist)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:John_Bull_%28composer%29.jpg
Lyra
^^^^^^
(quote)
at the house of Eleanor Bull, a respectable woman, widow of Richard
Bull. Dame Bull had court connections.
Her sister, Blanche, was the goddaughter of Blanche Parry, who had
been the much loved nanny of the infant Elizabeth.
Now widowed, Dame Bull hired out rooms and served meals. It was likely
that her home was a safe house for Government Agents. *
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Bios/ChristopherMarlowe.htm
^^^^^^
* maybe one was the musician John Bull.
Is he the same as "Dr. John Bull" - I don't know...
^^^^^^
Lyra
^^^^^^
> Now widowed, Dame Bull hired out rooms and served meals. It was likely
> that her home was a safe house for Government Agents. *
>
> http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Bios/ChristopherMarlowe.htm
>
^^^^^^
>
> * maybe one was the musician John Bull.
>
> Is he the same as "Dr. John Bull" - I don't know...
>
^^^^^^
>
> "Eleanor Bull's brother-in-law
>
> Dr. John Bull
>
> stood likewise in services of the founder of the British secret service Sir Francis Walsingham
> with expanded journeys by England and the continent."
>
^^^^^^
Note, the musician John Bull
is described as
Dr. John Bull
in the Leigh Henry book.
^^^^^^
John Bull (composer)
John Bull (1562 or 1563–March 12, 1628) was a English composer,
musician, and organ builder. He was a renowned keyboard performer and
most of his compositions were written for this medium.
John Bull was probably born in Hereford in England[1].
In 1573 he joined the choir at Hereford cathedral, and the next year
joined the Children of the Chapel Royal in London
^^^^^^
References and further reading
Leigh Henry, Dr John Bull. Herbert Joseph Ltd, in association with the
Globe-Mermaid Association. No place, 1937.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bull_(composer)
Lyra
^^^^^^
a little about the Bull family...
(quote)
This information was originally published by:
ONTARIO HISTORICAL SOCIETY
Papers and Records
Volume 5, Published in Toronto in 1904
Pages 76-90.
GENEALOGICAL LIST OF THE BULL FAMILY OF THE COUNTY OF PRINCE EDWARD,
ONT. BY DR. A. C. BOWERMAN, OF BLOOMFIELD, PR. ED. Co., ONT.
I. JOSIAH BULL, the ancestor, having been a member of the
Society of Friends, is, on that account, assumed to have been
descended from Henry Bull, sometime Governor of Rhode Island,
who also was a Friend (or Quaker). However plausible the
assumption of this relationship, it may not be amiss to mention
that neither in the family of Governor Bull nor that of Josiah
are there any positive data by which to establish the
accuracy of the inference. It is, however, considered probable
by members of both families that they belong to the same line;
and much effort is being expended in the search for historical
documents which will ultimately clear up the doubt.*
*NOTE. Nathaniel Niles Bull of Oneonta, N.Y., says: "Josiah
Bull, supposed to have been of English (or Welsh) ancestry,
born probably in Rhode Island; settled in Dutchess County,
N.Y., where he resided and where be died at an advanced age. He
had a brother Jeremy or Jeremiah, who, as early as the beginning
of the French War, lived at a settlement called 'Little
Rest,' about fifteen miles east of Poughkeepsie. Jeremy had
children-a son, Jeremy, and a daughter, Esther, who married one
Henry Tibbits and during my childhood I knew a good deal of the
descendants of both Jeremy and Esther. Henry Bull the ancestor,
born in South Wales in 1610; in Boston, 1635; settled in Rhode
Island at Newport; Joined Friends; and was 2nd Gov. of colony."
The wife of Josiah Bull was a woman of Dutch extraction, named
Tripp, who, in harmony with the marvels of colonial tradition,
was owner of no less than two hundred acres of land now occupied
as the site of New York city.
[If you are interested in the Bull family, you may wish to contact
......
who
is a descendant of Nathan Bull,
brother of Josiah Bull. From her information the wife of Josiah Bull
was
named Ruth Tripp.]
http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/bull.htm
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Nathan Bull is the same name as a boy at school with Christopher
Marlowe,
interestingly.
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Lyra
^^^^^^
two Blanche Whitneys,
and then a detailed description of
the family of
Eleanor Bull...
^^^^^^
1.
Blanche Whitney
Birth 1541 Whitney, Herfordshire, England
Died 19 Dec 1612 England
Buried 19 Dec 1612 England
Father Robert Whitney, b. 1517, Lcomb, Gloucestershire, England
Mother Sybill Baskerville, b. 1522, Eardisley, Herefordshire,
England
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2.
Blanche Whitney
Birth Abt 1535 Icomb, Gloucester, England
Father Robert Whitney, b. 1491, Whitney, Herfordshire, England
Mother Margaret Wye, b. 1495, Icoomb, Gloucestershire, England
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3.
and from
http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_James_(s1520%3F-1564)
(and note the references to Anne Bull and "Hugh Bull my son-in-law")
(and Blanche Parry)
^^^^^^
This family tree makes
Blanche Parry, the Queen's great friend,
Eleanor Bull's AUNT !
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Family:Whitney, James (s1520?-1564)
>From WRG
James Whitney (Eustace, John, [perhaps] Robert, Eustace, Robert,
Robert, Robert, Eustace, Eustace, Robert, ...), of Clifford, Esq.,
born say 1520?, son of Eustace Whitney, of Gorsington, Esq., and his
wife ----- Vaughan, the daughter and heir of William Vaughan, the
tyrant of Clifford. Eustace Whitney was the son of John Whitney, of
Gorsington, Clifford Parish, Herefordshire. John inherited Gorsington
from his wife ----- Walter, the daughter and heir of John Michael
Walter, by the dau. and heir of Sir William Gorsington, of Gorsington,
Knight.
^^^^^^
James Whitney married firstly, Sibyl Parry, daughter of Henry Parry of
Newcourt, by the daughter of Sir Henry Stradling.
Sibyl's sister was Blanche Parry, nursemaid to the Queen. She left a
will dated 1589.
^^^^^^
He married secondly, Margaret (-----) Bromwich, a widow, parentage,
birth, and first husband's name unknown. She died in 1568.
^^^^^^
James Whitney made his will on 18 May 1562 and it was probated 14 Nov
1564.
He named a brother in his will, and listed William Whitney and Richard
Whitney, but it isn't clear which he was naming his brother.
He named "frend and cosin S[ir] Robert Whitney Knightt" in his will.
^^^^^^
Will of Margaret Whitneye, late the wife of James Whitneye Esquier
Deceased, dated 20 Oct 1568.
"I bequeath my body to be buryed within my Parish Church of
Norton" (Canon) --
"Item I give to the reparations of the said Church 6s|8d -- Item
to the Poormens box there 2s|. Item to the Cathedral Church of
Hereford 12s. Item to the Vicar of Norton 3s|4d" --
"Item to my son Thomas my best Gelding.
"Item to my daughter Elizabeth Broning 7 kyne & a bull my feather
bed, coverlett bolster blanketts & pilows a silver spoune my best pott
& panne 4 of platters 4 pottingers 4 oz sawsers a payer of hurden
shets my best hanging & two Candlesticks of the beste a grey mare & a
colte"
"Item I give to Elizabeth Phillipps two kyne a silver spone my
seconde pott & panne & two platters" --
"Item I give to Jane Wallwen two Kyne a silver spone the third
brasse potte a fether bedde a bolster two platters" &c
"Item to Margaret Fryr" -- similar bequests --
"Item to Margaret Hopley" -- similar bequests --
"Item I will that my Executors shallpay yerely to Syr William
Skryven during his lyfe 16d|"
^^^^^^
"Item I give to Anne Bull 2 kyne" &c
^^^^^^
"Item I give to Richard Fryser 8 Bushels of Rye --
"Item I will that my Overseers of this my will shall provide
lyghte and tydye gownes for 4 pore men and women & to ordayne everye
thing decente and mete for my buriall & that the same pore people
shall resorte once every quarter to the parish Church & to have every
quarter --"
"Item I give unto Kataryn Helleye a corse gurdell with a buckell &
pendante to the same doble gilte --
"Item I give to Thomas Frycer two heyfers to increase & make him a
Stock
"Item I give to Anne Hopleye a heffer & a coverlett a bolster &c
--
"Item I give to Sibyll Gybbens one heffer &c
"Item I will that my executors shall see my servants payd there
wages yf they be behynde & to distribute amonge them for theire paynes
takinge about me in syckines 2s|6d apece --
"Item I give to the oldwoman that tendethe me for her paynes an
old cassocke and a hatte --
"Item I do will that John Gibbons my Cosyn shall have the coffers
wherein my evidens where I have in my custodie concernings my former
husbands landes be and he to see them to be sorted out truly and that
he with one of my executors shall delyver the same evidence after my
decease which belong to Sarnesfyld to my son Thomas and all the
evidences of Leomynster -- concernynge John Morris landes to kepe the
same or to deliver ytt to suche persons or person as my sonne in lawes
shall agree to deliver yt unto to their uses and behoof for my
dischardge as my trust is in him only & my said cosyn to have for his
labour & paynes takeinges 1£.6s.8d to be paid & delyvered by my
Executors. Also I give to thesaid John my best saddell brydell & all
thinges belonginge to the same and 3 stone of wolle which is unsolde
and to Phillippe his wife my best ring --
"Item I give to Anne Feycer a duble ribande of sylke with two
pounds of sylver & gylte weyinge 10 oz --
"Item I geve & delyvr. to Johan Phillipps my daughter one payer of
beds of blacke Jette with gawdes of sylver and doble gylte --
^^^^^^
"Item I geve to Hughe Bull my sonne in lawe 8 Bushls. of Rye --
^^^^^^
"Item I geve to Edward Drax my old servante 30 Busls. of Rye &c
--
"Item I geve to Thomas Bromyard a blake cote & 4 Busls. of Rye &c
"Item I geve to Davyd Morrys & Richard Ap powell and to 6 Busls.
of Rye between them
"Item I do hereby confesse before God & the world that I have
received of Edwarde Drax my servante a perfect acompte of all my rents
and all other receipts which he have resceaved from the beginnings of
the world untill nowe to my use and behoffe & also have receaved of
the said Edwarde & Thomas Grene all such somes of money as was due by
them to paye unto me for their tacks of swyne &c"
"Item I doe further ordaine constitute & make John Strete of
Leomynster gentylman & John Gibbons my cosyn to be my hole & sole
executors of this my laste will & they to see all my legacys aforesd.
to be performed & delivered to such uses as I have geven the same unto
& that they to make restitution yf I have taken anye mans good
wrongfullye & alsoe to see my debts in any wise to be payd unto suche
persons as I doe justelye owe unto as alsoe to see me honestlye buryed
whan God do call for me. And I doe further will that my executors and
overseers shall make or cause to be made a true inventory of all my
cattells goods moveable & unmoveable not before geven or bequeathed &
the whole of my household stuffe &c the same to be prysed & to see my
debts payed to Elizabeth and Katerin Bromwch. my daughters & my
funerall chardges to be payed &c. And the overplus I will that my
executors shall distribute as they shall thinke good according to the
trust I have reposed in them satisfyinge themselves for theyre paynes
& travell &c. And also my speyall truste is to see my neighbours & all
those that have anye occupyinge of landes under me that they and every
of them maye enjoye their bargayne & premyses which I have made unto
them.
"Item I geve to my sister Barrett my great maser which is my
coffer at Leomynster for her life and she to leave thesame to one of
her brothers my late husbands children. Also I will that Edward Drax &
my executors shall rewarde & geve to the poore fatherless wenche
whiche is with me as shall seme good to theyre discrtions --
^^^^^^
Children of James Whitney, birth order unknown:
i. Eustace Whitney, Esquire, of Clifford; born say 1550, m.
Constance Vaughan.
ii. Elizabeth Whitney, unmarried in 1562, of Newcourt in Bacton
at her death in 1583. Her will dated 10 Dec 1583 mentions father James
Whitney, brothers James and Thomas Whitney, sister Katherine Whitney,
base sister Jane Whitney, "cosin" (nephew?) Robert Vaughan, and niece
Elizabeth Jones.
^^^^^^
iii. Blanche Whitney, unmarried in 1562, apparently the
goddaughter of her Aunt Blanche Parry, mentioned in her will and the
will of her brother Eustace in 1599.
^^^^^^
iv. Elinor Whitney, b. say 1550?, d. Mar 1596, m. 14 Oct 1571 St.
Mary le Bow, London, Richard Bull, d. Deptford, Kent. She was buried
at Deptford (greater London area) 19 Mar 1596.
Paul C. Reed stated "After her husband Richard's death at Deptford,
Kent, Eleanor apparently let out a room, though she did not run a
tavern or anything of that like. It was at her house that the
playwright and poet Christopher Marlowe was slain by Ingram Frizer in
1593."
^^^^^^
v. Katherine Whitney, unmarried in 1562, and still in 1583.
vi. Jane Whitney, unmarried in 1562.
vii. Myle Whitney. Almost certainly "Mr. Myles Whyttney, gent."
who was buried 13 Dec 1577 at St. Margaret’s, Westminster. He
describes himself in his will as "servant to Dame Anne Knevett, late
wife to John Vaughn, Esq., decd.," pr. 13 December 1577, by David
Watkyns, gentleman, his sole heir. For more information on Anne
Knevet, see The Manor of Barbon.
viii. James Whitney, mentioned in his sister's will.
ix. Thomas Whitney, m. Margaret (Thomas) Parry.
x. Robert Whitney, Paul C. Reed stated "alive when mentioned in
his father's will in 1562, and thus not Robert of Castleton in
Clifford who died in 1555. He appears to have been still in school in
1562."
xi. William Whitney. He appears to have still been in school in
1562.
xii. Anne Whitney, "my base daughter".
References
1. Elwyn Ll. Evans, "The Whitneys of Clifford, Herefordshire:
Forebears of the Duppa Family of Hollingbourne, Kent," typescript at
Hereford County Record Office.
2. Whitney, Henry Austin, Memoranda Relating to Families of the Name
of Whitney in England, (Boston: 1859).
Copyright © 2006, Tim Doyle and the Whitney Research Group
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%2C_James_%28s1520%3F-1564%29"
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> ...
>
> read more »
Lyra
> ^^^^^^
>
> two Blanche Whitneys,
>
> and then a detailed description of
> the family of
>
> Eleanor Bull...
>
> ^^^^^^
>
> 1.
>
> Blanche Whitney
>
> Birth 1541 Whitney, Herfordshire, England
>
> Died 19 Dec 1612 England
> Buried 19 Dec 1612 England
>
> Father Robert Whitney, b. 1517, Lcomb, Gloucestershire, England
> Mother Sybill Baskerville, b. 1522, Eardisley, Herefordshire,
> England
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> 2.
>
> Blanche Whitney
>
> Birth Abt 1535 Icomb, Gloucester, England
>
> Father Robert Whitney, b. 1491, Whitney, Herfordshire, England
> Mother Margaret Wye, b. 1495, Icoomb, Gloucestershire, England
>
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>
> 3.
>
> and from
>
> http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_James_(s1520...)
^^^^^^
>
> (and note the references to Anne Bull and "Hugh Bull my son-in-law")
>
> (and Blanche Parry)
>
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and, the Vaughans...
"Golden Grove", by one of the Vaughans,
seems to show the writer
knew more than you'd think
about Marlowe's "death".
(from memory... no details...)
(The Reckoning, Charles Nicholl)
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Margaret, are you grieving
Over Goldengrove unleaving?
Leaves, like the things of man, you
With your fresh thoughts care for, can you?
(Hopkins, one of the poems I especially like)
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> 2. Whitney, ...
>
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Lyra
> > ^^^^^^
> > 3.
>
> > and from
>
> >http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_James_(s1520...)
>
> ^^^^^^
>
> > (and note the references to Anne Bull and "Hugh Bull my son-in-law")
>
> > (and Blanche Parry)
>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> and, the Vaughans...
>
> "Golden Grove", by one of the Vaughans,
> seems to show the writer
> knew more than you'd think
> about Marlowe's "death".
>
> (from memory... no details...)
>
> (The Reckoning, Charles Nicholl)
>
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link from Golden Grove to Henry Percy, 9th Earl of Northumberland.
(quote)
The murder of Christopher Marlowe in 1593 remains an enthralling
mystery to this very day. Strangely, for several years no accurate
descriptions of the death saw print. The notion widely circulated, in
fact, that Marlowe died of the plague. Then in 1600, in As You Like It
(III. iii. 9-12), Shakespeare makes an allusion to the murder which
betrays, we know now, an insider's knowledge of the circumstances. By
a startling coincidence, in the same year, in The Golden Grove
(Chapter 3 First Book), Sir William Vaughan provided a detailed
description of the deed, which is accurate in most respects. Did he
and the Bard have a common source, who was at last spilling the beans?
This must remain an open question.
One thing is indisputable, however: Sir William, in Carmarthen, was
part of a circle of gentlemen that were very familiar with the
"atheist" ideas of Giordano Bruno, which had so taken the Marlowe-
Ralegh set by storm. Astronomy was a favourite pastime amongst the
gentry in the district; and we have even a letter from Sir William
Lower of Trefenty - about ten miles from Carmarthen - to Thomas
Hariot, the great mathematician who was alleged to be the prime
"atheist" in the society of Sir Walter Ralegh, discussing Bruno's
ideas. Frances Yates wonders inconclusively if Sir William Vaughan was
connected with Sir William Lower.30 They certainly knew each other!
Lower's wife was Penelope Perrot, daughter of Sir Thomas Perrot.
Lower's father-in-law was the son of Sir John Perrot. Sir William
Vaughan step-mother, Lettice, was the daughter of the same Sir John
Perrot.
And The Golden Grove includes a commendatory verse by James Perrot, an
illegitimate son of Sir John.
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/h_shake.html
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Henry Percy, 9th Earl of Northumberland,
and friend of Christopher Marlowe,
had married Dorothy Devereux, widow of Thomas Perrott.
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>
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a detailed description of
> the family of
>
> Eleanor Bull...
>
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from
>
> http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_James_(s1520...)
>
> (and note the references to Anne Bull and "Hugh Bull my son-in-law")
>
> (and Blanche Parry)
>
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>
> This family tree makes
>
> Blanche Parry, the Queen's great friend,
>
> Eleanor Bull's AUNT !
>
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note the references to the name
Fryser ...
a fairly rare name? ...
if only there were a link to Ingram Frizer or ffrysar...
^^^^^^
and to the name Phillips...maybe a link to Augustine Phillips the
actor...
and Gibbons...the composer Orlando Gibbons, maybe of same family...
^^^^^^
(from the will of Eleanor Bull (nee Whitney)'s stepmother...)
^^^^^^
> "Item I give to Richard Fryser 8 Bushels of Rye --
"Item I give to Thomas Frycer two heyfers
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> "Item I give to Elizabeth Phillipps two kyne
"Item I geve & delyvr. to Johan Phillipps my daughter one payer of
> beds of blacke Jette
^^^^^^
> "Item I give to Sibyll Gybbens one heffer &c
"Item I do will that John Gibbons my Cosyn shall have the coffers...
& John Gibbons my cosyn
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> Children of James Whitney, birth order unknown:
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(excerpts)
>
> iii. Blanche Whitney, unmarried in 1562, apparently the
> goddaughter of her Aunt Blanche Parry, mentioned in her will and the
> will of her brother Eustace in 1599.
>
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> iv. Elinor Whitney, b. say 1550?, d. Mar 1596, m. 14 Oct 1571 St.
> Mary le Bow, London, Richard Bull, d. Deptford, Kent. She was buried
> at Deptford (greater London area) 19 Mar 1596.
>
> Paul C. Reed stated "After her husband Richard's death at Deptford,
> Kent, Eleanor apparently let out a room, though she did not run a
> tavern or anything of that like. It was at her house that the
> playwright and poet Christopher Marlowe was slain by Ingram Frizer in
> 1593."
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> 2. Whitney, ...
>
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Lyra
^^^^^^
A Blanche Whitney, of the same Whitney family,
is the mother of a Fulke Greville.
^^^^^^
Fulke Greville was born ABT. 1536, and died 1606. He married Anne
Neville ABT. 1553, daughter of Ralph Neville and Catherine Stafford.
Children of Fulke Greville and Anne Neville
Fulke Greville was born ABT. 1554, and died 1628.
Margaret Greville died 1631. She married Richard Verney 1582. He
died 1630.
Robert Greville. He married Blanche Whitney.
^^^^^^
Child of Robert Greville and Blanche Whitney
Fulke Greville died 1632.
^^^^^^
Fulke Greville died 1632. He married Margaret Copley 1602, daughter of
Christopher Copley.
Children of Fulke Greville and Margaret Copley are:
Robert Greville was born 1607, and died 1643.
William Greville was born AFT. 1608.
Dorothy Greville died 1650.
^^^^^^
http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=freer&id=I49262&ti=5538
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So, the Blanche Whitney who married a Robert Greville,
is the sister-in-law,
of the Fulke Greville
who is a quite well-known writer...
Wiki biography follows...
^^^^^^
Fulke Greville, 1st Baron Brooke
Edmund Lodge: Portrait of Sir Fulke Greville, 1st Baron Brooke
(1554-1628). English poet and courtier.
This article is about the Elizabethan author. For other people
with similar names, see Fulke Greville (disambiguation).
^^^^^^
Fulke Greville, 1st Baron Brooke, de jure 13th Baron Latimer and 5th
Baron Willoughby de Broke (3 October 1554 - 30 September 1628), known
before 1621 as Sir Fulke Greville, was a minor Elizabethan poet,
dramatist, and statesman.
Born at Beauchamp Court, Warwickshire, and educated at Shrewsbury
School and Jesus College, Cambridge, he was a friend and contemporary
of Sir Philip Sidney at Shrewsbury, enrolling on the same day. He was
knighted in 1597. After a distinguished administrative career under
Elizabeth I and James I, in the course of which he served successively
as Secretary to the Principality of Wales, Treasurer of the Navy, and
Chancellor of the Exchequer, he was created Baron Brooke on 29 January
1621 with special remainder to the heirs of his cousin, Robert
Greville, whom he had adopted. He was also de jure 13th Baron Latimer
and 5th Baron Willoughby de Broke (though was never recognised as
such).
He was murdered by an old servant in 1628 and is buried in the church
at Warwick. The inscription on his tomb, written by himself, is a
compendious biography. It runs: "Fulke Greville, servant to Queen
Elizabeth, counsellor to King James, friend to Sir Philip Sidney".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulke_Greville
> ...
>
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Lyra
>
>
> Eleanor Bull was the widow of Richard Bull of Deptford.
>
> Some research into the Bull family has shown they had a coat-of-arms.
>
> I don't recall details of the family, but I wonder if it includes the
> following...
>
> note that he may have carried out work as a spy...
>
(quote, excerpts)
^^^^^^^^^
BULL, JOHN (c. 1562-1628), English composer and organist, was born in
Somersetshire about 1562. After being organist in Hereford cathedral,
he joined the Chapel Royal in 1585, and in the next year became a Mus.
Bac. of Oxford. In 1591 he was appointed organist in Queen Elizabeth's
chapel in succession to Blitheman, from whom he had received his
musical education.
...he resigned his Gresham professorship and married Elizabeth
Walter.
In 1613 he again went to the continent on account of his health,
obtaining a post as one of the organists in the...
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Bull%2C_John
^^^^^^^^^
Note, the Walter family is linked to the Whitneys...
(quote)
James Whitney (Eustace, John, [perhaps] Robert, Eustace, Robert,
Robert, Robert, Eustace, Eustace, Robert, ...), of Clifford, Esq.,
born say 1520?, son of Eustace Whitney, of Gorsington, Esq., and his
wife ----- Vaughan, the daughter and heir of William Vaughan, the
tyrant of Clifford. Eustace Whitney was the son of John Whitney, of
Gorsington, Clifford Parish, Herefordshire.
^^^^^^^^^
John inherited Gorsington
from his wife ----- Walter, the daughter and heir of John Michael
Walter,
by the dau. and heir of Sir William Gorsington, of Gorsington,
Knight.
^^^^^^
James Whitney married firstly, Sibyl Parry, daughter of Henry Parry of
Newcourt, by the daughter of Sir Henry Stradling.
Sibyl's sister was Blanche Parry, nursemaid to the Queen. She left a
will dated 1589.
^^^^^^^^^
Lyra
^^^^^^
The Parrys have royal descent.
This gives some of the Whitneys royal descent.
^^^^^^
It appears that Eleanor Bull nee Whitney, of Deptford,
is one of the royal descendants,
along with Blanche Parry, the Queen's great friend.
^^^^^^
(quote)
^^^^^^
Royal Ancestry of Whitney of Clifford
I found the following line:
1. Edward III, King of England (1312-1377), m. Philippe of Hainault
(1311-1369)
2. John of Gaunt (1340-1399), m. Katherine Roet (c1350-1403)
3. Henry Beaufort (c1375-1477), had mistress Alice FitzAlan (b1382-
b1415)
4. Joan Beaufort (c1403-c1453), m. Sir Edward Stradling
(c1389-1453)
5. Sir Henry Stradling (c1424-a1477), m. Elizabeth Herbert
(c1427-?)
6. Jane Stradling (?-?), m. Henry Parry (?-?)
7. Miles Parry (?-?), m. Alice Milbourne (?-?)
8. Sybil Parry (?-?), m. James Whitney of Clifford (s1520-1564)
9. the later Whitneys of Clifford
Alice FitzAlan was herself a descendant of King Henry III. I haven't
pursued this much further. It's possible there are other royal
connections.
http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/User_talk:Tdoyle
^^^^^^
In the following article about Blanche Parry,
note how the names Henry Parry and Miles Parry
are reversed compared to the family tree above.
i.e., which one is the other's father or son?
(Sybil Parry and Blanche Parry are sisters)
One of the two pages quoted is therefore in error.
^^^^^^
(quote)
Blanche PARRY
Born: 1507
Died: 1589
Buried: St. Margaret's Church, London, Middlesex, England
Father: Henry PARRY of Newcourt (son of Miles ap Harry and Jane
Stradling)
Mother: Alice MILBOURNE
Monument to Blanche, kneeling alongside Elizbabeth, in St. Faith's,
Bacton, Hereford
Blanche was a Welshwoman who was assumed to have taught Owen Tudor's
great- granddaughter to speak Welsh. His father died, and her mother,
Alice Milburne, remarried when Blanche was about 16. Trough her aunt
Blanche, who married first Sir James Whitney and second Sir William
Herbert of St. Julian, she was related to the Careys.
She can recall Elizabeth being rocked to sleep. Blanche never married
and stayed with Elizabeth until her death. In several of the books, it
mentioned that she was blind towards the end of her life.
Blanche was from Wales and it is believed that she taught Elizabeth
how to speak Welch. Upon Elizabeth's coronation, (for which Blanche
was given 7 yards of scarlet and 15 yards of crimson velvet, 1 1/4
yards of cloth of gold yellow with work and 3/4 yard cloth of gold
with black for a dress to wear to the occasion) Kate Ashley, Blanche
Parry and Elizabeth Norwich all became gentlewomen of the Bedchamber
or Privy Chamber. Her salary was £33 6s. 8d., with board and lodging
for herself and servants, also food for her horses and stabling. The
Queen was a keen rider and it was important that her attendants should
be able to accompany her.
Sir Thomas Parry, Blanche's cousin was appointed Treasurer of the
Household. Other cousin was Dr. John Dee who was Elizabeth's
astronomer and astrologer. In fact, it was Dee who decided on the
date, Jan 15th, for Elizabeth's coronation.
Blanche Parry made a special study of palmistry, and occasionally told
the fortunes of maids of honor. Kindly hearted, Blanche ruled the
Privy-Chamber, and had special foavour to lady Mary Grey.
Her devotion was rewarded with gifts of land such as Llangorse Lake
and the responsibility of looking after the Queen's library and jewel
box.
A lovely monument to Blanche in St. Margaret's Church which is beside
Westminster Abbey.
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Bios/BlancheParry.htm
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> ^^^^^^^^^
>
> > Eleanor Bull was the widow of Richard Bull of Deptford.
>
> > Some research into the Bull family has shown they had a coat-of-arms.
>
> > I don't recall details of the family, but I wonder if it includes the
> > following...
>
> > note that he may have carried out work as a spy...
>
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
> (quote, excerpts)
>
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
> BULL, JOHN (c. 1562-1628), English composer and organist, was born in
> Somersetshire about 1562. After being organist in Hereford cathedral,
> he joined the Chapel Royal in 1585, and in the next year became a Mus.
> Bac. of Oxford. In 1591 he was appointed organist in Queen Elizabeth's
> chapel in succession to Blitheman, from whom he had received his
> musical education.
>
> ...he resigned his Gresham professorship and married Elizabeth
> Walter.
> In 1613 he again went to the continent on account of his health,
> obtaining a post as one of the organists in the...
>
> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Bull%...
Lyra
^^^^^^
The Whitneys have a coat of arms -
with a BULL!
(illustration, see the page following...)
^^^^^^
(quote)
Coat of Arms
>From WRG
Burke, Sir Bernard, The General Armory of England, Scotland, Ireland
and Wales (London: Harrison, 1884), pp. 1105-1106.
Whitney. (Whitney, co. Hereford; a knightly family of remote
antiquity, founded by EUSTACE, living in 1086, styled DE WHITNEY, from
the lordship of Whitney, which he possessed). Az. a cross chequy or
and sa. Crest--A bull's head couped sa. armed ar. the points gu.
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Whitney. Ar. on two bars az. three cinquefoils of the field. Crest--A
bull's head couped sa. armed ar. the points gu.
Whitney. Ar. a cross componée or and gu. Same Crest as the last.
Whitney. Paly of six or and az. a chief vair.
Whitney. Ar. a griffin segreant sa.
Whitney. Ar. a lion ramp. sa. on a chief of the last three mullets ar.
Whitney (FETHERSTON-WHITNEY, Newpass, co. Westmeath; exemplified to
EDWARD WHITNEY FETHERSTON, Esq., of Newpass, on his assuming, by royal
license, 1859, the additional surname and arms of WHITNEY). Quarterly,
1st and 4th, az. a cross chequy or and sa. in the dexter quarter a
crescent of the second, for WHITNEY; 2nd and 3rd, gu. on a chev. betw.
three ostrich feathers ar. a pellet, for FETHERSTON. Crests--1st,
WHITNEY: A bull's head couped sa. horned ar. tipped gu. gorged with a
collar chequy or and sa.; 2nd, FETHERSTON: An antelope statant ar.
armed or. Motto--Volens et valens.
Whitney (Dublin; confirmed to BENJAMIN WHITNEY, of Upper Fitzwilliam
Street, Dublin, Clerk of the Crown for co. Mayo, only son of NICHOLAS
WHITNEY, of Old Ross, co. Wexford). Az. a cross chequy or and sa. in
the dexter quarter a cross crosslet ar. Crest--A bull's head couped
sa. armed ar. tipped gu. gorged with a collar chequy or and sa. and
charged on the neck with a cross crosslet also ar. Motto--Magnanimater
Crucem sustine.
Image:coa.jpg
>From S. Whitney Phoenix, The Whitney Family of Connecticut (New York:
privately printed, 1878), vol. 1, frontispiece (courtesy of Bev
Hanner).
Melville, Henry, The Ancestry of John Whitney (New York, NY: The De
Vinne Press, 1896), frontispiece, gives a similar illustration, and
below it a description of the arms:
"Arms. Azure, a cross chequy or and gules.
Crest. A bull's head couped sable, armed argent, the points gules.
As registered in the College of Arms."
Nota Bene: The reader knowledgeable about heraldry will realize that
there is a conflict here. Burke, who is considered authoritative, says
the cross is chequy or and sable [i.e., gold and black]. Melville and
Phoenix say and show the cross as chequy or and gules [i.e., gold and
red]. An additional oddity is that shown are the arms of the Whitneys
of Whitney, Herefordshire, not those of the Whitneys of Coole Pilate,
Cheshire, the latter of which is put forward as ancestral to Henry1
WHITNEY in the text of Phoenix's book, from which the illustration is
taken.
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