Rebecca Marlowe's husband's ancestors came from a Chateau in Brabant

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Who is Rebecca Marlowe?

1.

see the thread

The earliest known Marley (?) (Marley/Marlowe)

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2.

The marriage to the descendant of the Joscelin family

shows that SOME Marlowes

married very highly. (!)

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Whether this has anything to do with the Marlowes (Marleys)

of Canterbury,

who can say -

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I still think Kit was not one of their own, anyway -

still, he has SOME link with the family,

so it's interesting to know what their place in life was,

or their family connections.

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(all this is from familysearch)

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Thomas JOSSELYNE

Birth: 1591/1592

Of, Barham, Suffolk, England

Death: 3 Jan 1661

Lancaster, Worcester, Mass.

Father: Ralfe (Ralph) JOSSELYN(JOSLIN)

Mother: Mary Or Marie BRIGHT

Mother: Dorothy

m. Rebecca MARLOWE

1615

Chelmsford, Essex, Eng

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Ralfe (Ralph) JOSSELYN(JOSLIN)

Birth: 1556
Chignal-Smealy, Chelmsford, Essex, Eng

Death: 19 Mar 1632
Roxwell, Chelmsford, Essex, Eng

Burial: 19 Mar 1632
Roxwell, Chelmsford, Essex, Eng

Father: John JOSSELYNE

Mother: Alice NEVILLE

m. Mary Or Marie BRIGHT

21 May 1583

Chelmsford, Essex, Eng

(m.

also Dorothy

Aft 1604

Birth: Abt 1584
<Chignal-Smealy, Chelmsford, Essex, Eng>

Death: Bef 16 1634 Oct
Roxwell, Essex Co., Eng.

Burial: 16 Oct 1634
Roxwell, Essex, England)

(Dorothy AURCROSS

Birth: Abt. 1560)

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Mary Or Marie BRIGHT

Birth: 1558
Of Roxwell Essex, England

Death: 1604
Of Roxwell, Essex, Eng.

Burial: 16 Oct 1634
Roxwell, Essex, England

m. Ralfe (Ralph) JOSSELYN(JOSLIN)

Marriage: 21 May 1583

Chelmsford, Essex, Eng

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John JOSSELYNE

Birth: 1525
Fyfield, Essex, England

Death: 18 Feb 1579
Roxwell, Chelmsford, Essex, England

Burial: 18 Feb 1578/1579
Roxwell, Essex, England

Father: Ralph JOSLIN(JOSSELYN)

Mother: Mrs Ralph JOSSELYN

m. Alice NEVILLE

Marriage: 15 Jan 1545

Fyfield, Chignal-Smealy, Essex Co., Eng.

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Ralph JOSLIN(JOSSELYN)

Birth: 1503
Canfield, Essex, England

Death: 1546
Canfield, Essex, Eng

Father: Ralph JOSSELYN

Mother: Elizabeth CORNISH

m. Mrs Ralph JOSSELYN

(Birth: Abt 1507
Of Feldstead, Essex, Eng)

Abt 1522
Feldstead, Essex England

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Ralph JOSSELYN

Birth: 1475
Canfield, Essex, England

Death: 30 May 1525
Essex, Eng.

Father: John JOSSELYN

Mother: Anne LAVENHAM

Father: John (Jocelyn) JOSLELY

Mother: Anne LAVENHAM

m. Elizabeth CORNISH

Abt 1498

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John JOSSELYN

Birth: 1449?
Of Sheering, Essex, England

Death: Aug 1524
Essex, Eng.

Father: Geoffrey JOCELYN

(Birth: Abt. 1423
<Of Sheering, Essex, England>

Death: 2 Jan 1470/1471
England)

Mother: Katherine LE BRAYE

(Birth: Abt. 1427
<Of Sheering, Essex, England> )

m. Anne LAVENHAM

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Anne LAVENHAM

Birth: Abt. 1451
<Of Sheering, Essex, England>

Father: John LAVENHAM

(Abt. 1425
<Of Sheering, Essex, England> )

Mother: Mary DE GATESBURY

(Birth: Abt. 1429
<Of Sheering, Essex, England> )

m. John JOSSELYN

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Elizabeth CORNISH

Birth: Abt 1479
Of, Great Canfield, Essex, England

Death: Aft 1546
Great Canfield, Essex, England

Father: William CORNISH

(Birth: Abt. 1453
<Of, Great Canfield, Essex, England> )

Mother:

m. Ralph JOSSELYN

Abt 1498

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John (Jocelyn) JOSLELYN

Birth: Abt 1438
Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertsfordshire, England

Death: Bef Aug 1524
Of, Sheering, Essex, England

Father: Geoffrey (Jeffrey) JOCELYN

Mother: Katherine Mrs JOCELYN

m. Anne LAVENHAM

Abt 1461
Of, Sheering, Essex, England

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Geoffrey (Jeffrey) JOCELYN

Birth: Abt 1408
Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertsfordshire, England

Death: 2 Jan 1470
Sawbridgeworth, Hertsfordshire, England

Father: Geoffrey JOCELYN

Mother: Catherine BRAY

m. Katherine Mrs JOCELYN
Abt 1431
Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertsfordshire, England

(also

m. Joan JOCELYN
Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertsfordshire, England)

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Geoffrey JOCELYN

Birth: Abt 1374
Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England

Death: Aft 1424

Burial: Bef 1425
Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England

Father: Ralph JOCELY

Mother: De Margaret PATMER

m. Catherine BRAY

Of Hertfordshire, England

(also

m. Joan BERRIE

Marriage: Abt 1414

Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hartsfordshire, England)

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Ralph JOCELYN

Birth: Abt 1340
Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertsfordshire, England

Death: 1383

Father: Geoffrey JOCELYN

Mother: Margaret ROCKELL

m. De Margaret PATMER

Of Essex, England
(also

m. Petronill PALMER

Of Hertfordshire, England)

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Geoffrey JOCELYN

Birth: 1312
Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England

Death: 1360/1373

Father: Ralph JOSSELYN

Mother: Maud (Matildis) SUTTON

m. Margaret ROCKELL

Of Hertfordshire, England

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Ralph JOSSELYN

Birth: 13 Dec 1275
Shellow Bowels, Essex, Eng

Christening: 17 Dec 1275
Willingdale-Doe, Essex, England

Death: 1313/1323
England

Father: Thomas JOCELYN

Mother: Alice LISTON

m. Maud (Matildis) SUTTON

Marriage: 1300

Of Hertfordshire, England

(also m. Anne SANDYS)

Maud SUTTON

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Thomas JOCELYN

Birth: 1249
Sawbridge, Hertz, England

Death: 1284
England

Father: Thomas JOCELYN

Mother: Maude HIDE

m. Alice LISTON

Abt 1272
Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England

(also

m. Joan BLUNT

Of Hertfordshire, England)

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Thomas JOCELYN

Birth: Abt 1225
Of, Easton, Northamptonshire, England

Death: Aft 1277

Father: John JOCELYN

Mother: Katherine (Bartell) BATTELL

m. Maude HIDE

Marriage: 1248

Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England

(also m.

Nicholas VILLTERS

m.
Joan BLUNT

Of Hertfordshire, England)

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John JOCELYN

Birth: Abt 1205

Of, Easton, Northamptonshire, England

Father: Ralph JOCELYN

Mother: Beatrice Mrs JOCELYN

m. Katherine (Bartell) BATTELL

Marriage: Abt 1224

Of Easton, Northamptonshire, England

(also

m. Miss SAMS

Abt 1240
Of Easton, Northamptonshire, England)

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Ralph JOCELYN

Birth: Abt 1185
Of Easton, Northamptonshire, England

Father: Henry JOCELYN

Mother: Jane (Chastelin) CHASTELAIN

m. Beatrice Mrs JOCELYN

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Henry JOCELYN

Birth: Abt 1165
Of Essex, England

Father: James JOCELYN

Mother: Joan (Johanna) THRECKENHOLM

m. Jane (Chastelin) CHASTELAIN

Abt 1184

Essex, England

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James JOCELYN

Birth: Abt 1145

Of Essex, England

Father: Robert (Jocelyn) JOSCELIN

Mother: Miss FLEMING

m. Joan (Johanna) THRECKENHOLM

Of Essex, England

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Robert (Jocelyn) JOSCELIN

Birth: Abt 1125

Of, Sempringham, Lincolnshire, England

Father: William JOSCELINE

Mother: Oswalda GOUSHOLD

m. Miss FLEMING

Marriage: Abt 1144

Of Lincolnshire, England

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William JOSCELINE

Birth: Abt 1105

Of Sempringham, Lincolnshire, England

Father: Geoffrey JOSCELINE

Mother: Miss De BISSEL

m. Oswalda GOUSHOLD

Of Lincolnshire, England

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Geoffrey JOSCELINE

Birth: 1085

Sempringham, Lincolnshire, England

Father: Gilbert JOSCELINE

Mother: Gilbert Mrs JOSCELINE

m. Miss De BISSEL
Abt 1104

Of Lincolnshire, England

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Gilbert JOSCELINE

Birth: Abt 1040

Of, Sempringham, Lincolnshire, England

Father: Gilbert JOSCELINE

Mother: Gilbert Mrs JOSCELINE

m. Gilbert Mrs JOSCELINE

Abt 1082

Of, Sempringham, Lincolnshire, England

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Gilbert JOSCELINE

Birth: Abt 1005

Chateau De Joscl, Brabant, France

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m. Gilbert Mrs JOSCELINE

Of Incolnshire, England

(Birth: Abt 1009
Of Sempringham, Lincolnshire, England)

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lyra

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an interesting article about the

Joscelins

of

Chateau Joscelin

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The line comes fro

"The Jocelyn-Joslin-Joslyn-Josselyn Family"

compiled by
Edith S. Wessler, 1961? complete with rendering of Chateau De
Jocelyn in
Brabant.

I will quote: "Our primal ancestor seems to be Lambert I, or
Josceline d'Albro [or Altho?]. He was one of Louis Outremer's chief
officers
in the battle against the Danes in 945, and was Count of Brabant."

[Palgrave
states that Lambert I was Count of Hainault.]

Since he is the first known
ancestor by the family name, he shall be considered the first
generation..."

Paraphrasing:

The next Count Jocelyn, or Lambert II, succeeded his father as
Count of
Brabant in 1005, married the Duke of Lorraine's daughter Gerberga,
a marriage
by which a long line of French Dukes, Counts, and Barons have
descended.

There is also an excellent article in The Journal of American
History, by
Laura Elmendorf Skeels, from which I quote:

The name of Joscelin and its variants is derived from the Chateau
de Jocelin,
the
stronghold of Lambert 1, known as, Joselin d'Albou,

who became Count of
Brahant early in the Eleventh Century.

His son, Lambert II, married Gerburga,
granddaughter of King Louis IV of France, and their son,

Gilbertus
Joscelinus, as his name appears in the old Latin form, is stated in
the
following article by Mrs. Skeels to have gone from Brabant to
England and to
have there founded the illustrious Joscelin family whose descendant
came to
America in the Seventeenth Century.

THE GENEALOGICAL EDITOR."

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This gets even better!! All you DFA experts sharpen your pencils:

"The primal ancestor, so far as the records show, of the famity of
Joscelin
(Jocelin, Josselin, Joslin, etc.) was Aesyetes, born about 1204 B.
C., a
Trojan of noble family, who, by his wife, Cleomaestra, was the
father of
Anterior, born about 1239 B. C., who, according to the Homeric
account, was
not only a Trojan of high rank and one of the wisest among the
elders of his
native city, but also King of the Cimbri, a people living along the
shores of
the Black Sea, whose country was a province of Troy. Antenor
married Theano,
a (laughter of the Phrygian Dymos, or, according to another story,
of
Cisseus. Her sister, Hecuba, was the wife of Priam, the last King
of Troy,
and mother of Hector and Paris. Theano, according to the Oracles,
was
begotten and born under the inspiration of the Goddess Minerva, and
was
consecrated at an early age a Priestess of Athena.

Antenor is claimed as ancestor of Marcomir I, said to have been the
first
King of the Sigambri, which tribe eventually became incorporated
with the
Franks.

Pharamond, a descendant of Marcomir I, and Duke of Friesland, was
chosen Duke
of the Franks in Franconi, April 24th, 418, and, on July 23d, he
took the
title of King. He married, first, Imbeltrude, daughter of
Bassogast; second,
Argotto, daughter and heiress of Genebald, and granddaughter of
Marcomir V.
also a descendant of Marcomir I. Pharamond died in 427, having
reigned nine
years. Tradition says that he was a descendant in the
thirty-seventh
generation from Antenor.

Clodion, the successor of Pharamond, was called "Long Locks,"
because lie
introduced a custom that those of their blood should wear long
hair. He left
as his successor his youngest son, Albro, who married Argotta.
Their son,
Vanburtis, died in 528, leaving as his successor Anselbert, who
died in .571,
leaving two children. Arnold was the eldest. He was Marquis of a
territory
near tile Scheldt. He married Doda of Saxony, and, after her death,
entered
tile Priesthood and became Bishop of Metz. He died in 64o, leaving
one soil,
Ansigise, who married Begga, (daughter of Pepin of Lauden, who
belonged to a
noble Frailk family, akin to the Merovingians.

Pepin of Hiristal, son of Ansigise and Begga, was born in 631. He
was Mayor
of the Palace in Austrasia under Clovis III. He married Chrotrude,
and
died December 16th, 714. Pepin inherited the whole of tile family
estates,
and held the ancestral office of Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia
from 688
until his death. By his wife, Chrotrude, lie had four children, the
eldest
being Charles Martel, born in 690

There's lots more and please excuse any scanning errors I missed.

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/1999-07/0932910916

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some of the wives

(of the Joscelins)

and their families

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Miss De BISSEL

Birth: Abt 1086

Of Lincolnshire, England

Father: John De BISSEL

Mother: Mrs-John De BISSEL

m. Geoffrey JOSCELINE

Abt 1104

Of Lincolnshire, England

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Oswalda GOUSHOLD

Birth: Abt 1107

Of Sempringham, Lincolnshire, England

Father: Robert GOUSHOLD

Mother: Mrs-Robert GOUSHOLD

m.
William JOSCELINE

Of Lincolnshire, England

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Miss FLEMING

Birth: Abt 1127

Of Lincolnshire, England

Father: John FLEMING
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m. Robert (Jocelyn) JOSCELIN

Marriage: Abt 1144

Of Lincolnshire, England

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Joan (Johanna) THRECKENHOLM

Birth: Abt 1148

Of Essex, England

Father: Henry THRECKENHOLM

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m. James JOCELYN

Of Essex, England

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Jane (Chastelin) CHASTELAIN

Birth: Abt 1168

Of Essex, England

Father: William CHASTELAIN

Mother: Joan SULLIARD

m. Henry JOCELYN

Abt 1184

Essex, England

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Katherine (Bartell) BATTELL

Birth: Abt 1207

Of Essex, England

Father: Thomas BATTELL

Mother: Elizabeth ENFIELD

m. John JOCELYN

Abt 1224

Of Easton, Northamptonshire, England

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Elizabeth ENFIELD

Birth: Abt 1183

Of Essex, England

Father: Richard ENDFIELD

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m. Thomas BATTELL

Abt 1206

Essex, England

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Maude HIDE

Birth: Abt 1229

Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England

Father: John HIDE

Mother: Elizabeth SUDLEY

m.
Thomas JOCELYN

Marriage: 1248

Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England

(also

m.

Nicholas VILLIERS

Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England)

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Elizabeth SUDLEY

Birth: Abt 1209

Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England

Father: John SUDLEY

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m.
John HIDE

Abt 1225

Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England

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John SUDLEY

Birth: Abt 1180

Of Gloucestershire, England

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Alice LISTON

Birth: Abt 1253

Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England

Death: Aft 1275

England

Father: William LISTON

Mother: Mrs-William LISTON

m. Thomas JOCELYN

Abt 1272

Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England

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Maud (Matildis) SUTTON

Birth: Abt 1279

Of Warsop, Nottinghamshire, England

Death: 1354

Father: John SUTTON

Mother: Margaret SOMERY

m. Ralph JOSSELYN

1300
Of Hertfordshire, England

(m.

also
Roger BERNERS

Of Hertfordshire, England)

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John SUTTON

Birth: Abt 1286
Of Dudley, Worcester, England

Death: Bef 1338

Father: Richard SUTTON

Mother: Isabella PATRICK

m. Margaret SOMERY

Abt 1311

Of Staffordshire, England

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Richard SUTTON

Birth: 29 Sep 1266
Of Warsop, Nottingham, England

Death: Aft 25 1318 Apr

Father: Robert SUTTON

Mother: Joanna (Jane)

m. Isabella PATRICK

Feb 1284

(also

m. Margaret)

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Robert SUTTON

Birth: 1241
Of Warsop, Nottingham, England

Death: 8 Mar 1273/1274

Father: William SUTTON

Mother: Matilda

m. Joanna (Jane)

Abt 1265

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William SUTTON

Birth: 1217

Of Warsop, Nottingham, England

Death: 18 Aug 1267/1268

Father: Rowland De SUTTON

Mother: Alice De LEXINGTON

m. Matilda

Abt 1247

(also m. Eva)

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Rowland De SUTTON

Birth: Abt 1195
Of Averham, Nottingham, England

Death: Bef 1258

Father: Hervey SUTTON

Mother: Mrs. Hervey

m. Alice De LEXINGTON

1215

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Hervey SUTTON

Birth: Abt 1168

Of Sutton-On-Trent, Nottingham, England

Father: Hugh SUTTON

Mother: Elizabeth PATRICK

m. Mrs. Hervey

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Hugh SUTTON

Birth: Abt 1150

Of Sutton-On-Trent, Nottingham, England

Father: Hervey SUTTON

Mother: Mrs. Hervey

m. Elizabeth PATRICK

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Hervey SUTTON

Birth: Abt 1125

Of Sutton, Nottingham, England

Father: Hervey SUTTON

Mother: Mrs. Hervey

m. Mrs. Hervey

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Alice De LEXINGTON

Birth: Abt 1195

Of Tuxford, Nottinghamshire, England

Father: Richard De LEXINGTON

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m. Rowland De SUTTON

Marriage: 1215

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Joanna (Jane)

Birth: Abt 1244

Of Allerton, Yorkshire, England

Death: Aft 1274

m. Robert SUTTON

Abt 1265

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Margaret SOMERY

Birth: 1290
Of Dudley, Worcester, England

Death: 1384
Eng

Father: Roger SOMERY

Mother: Agnes Mrs SOMERY

m.
John SUTTON

Abt 1311

Of Staffordshire, England

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Roger SOMERY

Birth: 24 Jun 1255

Of Dinas Powis, Wales

Death: 11 Oct 1291

Father: Roger De SOMERY

Mother: Annabilia Or Anabell CHAUCOMBE [LADY]

m. Agnes Mrs SOMERY

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Roger De SOMERY

Birth: Abt 1208

Of Dinas Powis, Wales

Death: 26 Aug 1273

Staffordshire, England

Father: Ralph De SOMERY

Mother: Margaret FITZGILBERT

m. Annabilia Or Anabell CHAUCOMBE [LADY]

Abt 1228

Of Dudley, Staffordshire, England

(also

m. Nicole D' AUBIGNY (ALBINI)

Abt 1225

Of Sussex, England)

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Ralph De SOMERY

Birth: Abt 1151

Of Dudley, Worcestershire, England

Death: 1210/1211

Father: John De SOMERY

Mother: Hawise PAYNEL

m. Margaret FITZGILBERT

Abt 1181

Of Wiltshire, England

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John De SOMERY

Birth: Abt 1125

Of Little Crawley, Buckinghamshire, England

Death: Bef 1195

m.
Hawise PAYNEL

Abt 1150
Of Worcestershire, England

Hawyse PAYNELL

Dudley, Staffordshire, England

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Hawise PAYNEL

Birth: Abt 1160

Of Little Crawley, Buckinghamshire, England

Death: 1208/1209

Father: Ralph PAYNEL

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m. John De SOMERY

Abt 1150

Of Worcestershire, England

(also

m. Roger V de BERKELEY)

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Ralph PAYNEL

Abt 1100

Of Dudley, Worcestershire, England

Father: Fulk PAYNEL

Mother: Miss FITZWILLIAM

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Fulk PAYNEL

Abt 1060

Of Dudley, Worcestershire, England

Father: William PAYNEL

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m. Miss FITZWILLIAM

Abt 1095

Of Worcestershire, England

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William PAYNEL

Birth: Abt 1020

Of Moutiers-Hubert, Normandy, France

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Miss FITZWILLIAM

Birth: Abt 1074

Of Dudley, Worcestershire, England

Father: William FITZANSCULF

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m. Fulk PAYNEL

Abt 1095

Of Worcestershire, England

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William FITZANSCULF

Birth: Abt 1044

Of Dudley, Worcestershire, England

Father: Ansculf

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OR

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Hawyse PAYNELL

Birth: Abt 1158

Of Dudley, Staffordshire, England

Father: Gervaise PAYNELL

Mother: Isabel De BELLAMONT

m. John De SOMERY

Dudley, Staffordshire, England

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Gervaise PAYNELL

Birth: Abt 1122

Of Dudley, Staffordshire, England

Father: Ralph PAYNELL

Mother: Agnes Mrs PAYNELL

m. Isabel De BELLAMONT

1153

Dudley, Staffordshire, England

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Ralph PAYNELL

Birth: Abt. 1153

Of Bampton, Devonshire, England

Father: Fulke PAYNELL

Mother: Alda Mrs PAYNELL

m. Agnes Mrs PAYNELL

1121

Staffordshire, England

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Fulke PAYNELL

Birth: Abt 1120

Of Bampton, Devonshire, England

Death: 1207/1208

Father: William PAYNELL

Mother: Juliana De BAMPTON

m. Alda Mrs PAYNELL

1150

Devonshire, England

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William PAYNELL

Birth: Abt. 1090

Of England

Death: 1145/1147

Father: Ralph PAYNELL

Mother: Matilda Mrs PAYNELL

m. Juliana De BAMPTON

1119

Bampton, Devonshire, England

(also

m. Avicia De MESCHIN)

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Margaret FITZGILBERT

Birth: Abt 1160

Of Wiltshire, England

Death: Aft 1242

Father: John "the Marshall" FITZGILBERT

Mother: Sibilla (Sibyl) De SALISBURY

m.

Ralph De SOMERY

Abt 1181

Of Wiltshire, England

(also

m.

Maurice De GANT (FITZHARDING)

Abt 1213

Of Worcestershire, England)

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Sibilla (Sibyl) De SALISBURY

Birth: Abt 1139

Of Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Death: 3 Jun

Father: Walter "FitzEdward" Of SALISBURY

Mother: Sibyl De CHAWORTH (CHAOURCES)

m. John "the Marshall" FITZGILBERT

Abt 1143

Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales

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Walter "FitzEdward" Of SALISBURY

Birth: Abt 1100

Of Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

Death: 1147

Burial:
Near The Choir, Bradenstoke, Wiltshire, England

Father: Edward Of SALISBURY

Mother: Maud FITZHUBERT

m. Sibyl De CHAWORTH (CHAOURCES)

Abt 1132

Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

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Edward Of SALISBURY

Birth: Aft 1060

Of Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

Death: Bef 1130

Burial:
Bradenstoke, Wiltshire, England

Father: Walter De EWRUS

Mother: Mrs-Walter De EWRUS

m. Maud FITZHUBERT

Abt 1090

Of Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

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Walter De EWRUS

Birth: Abt 1033

Of Rosmar, Normandy, France

Father: William DEVEREUX

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m. Mrs-Walter De EWRUS

Bef 1066

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Maud FITZHUBERT

Birth: Abt 1070

Of Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

Christening:

Also Of Crick, Derbyshire, England

m. Edward Of SALISBURY

Abt 1090

Of Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

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Sibyl De CHAWORTH (CHAOURCES)

Birth: Abt 1112

Of Kempsford, Gloucestershire, England

Death: Bef 1147

Near The Choir, Bradenstoke, Wiltshire, England

Burial:
Priory, Bradenstoke, Wiltshire, England

Father: Patrick CHAWORTH

Mother: Matilda HESDIN

m. Walter "FitzEdward" Of SALISBURY

Abt 1132

Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

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Patrick CHAWORTH

Birth: Abt 1052

Of Chaworth, Nottinghamshire, England

Father: Hugh CHAWORTH

Mother: Mrs-Hugh CHAWORTH

m. Matilda HESDIN

Abt 1106

Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

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Hugh CHAWORTH

Birth: Abt 1025

Of St Symphoro, Lamans, Maine, France

Father: Ernald De (Chaources) CHAWORTH

Mother: Mrs-Ernald De (Chaources) CHAWORTH

m. Mrs-Hugh CHAWORTH

Abt 1051

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Matilda HESDIN

Birth: Abt 1074

Of Toddington, Bedfordshire, England

Father: Ernulf De HESDIN

m. Patrick CHAWORTH

Abt 1106

Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

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Ernulf De HESDIN

Birth: Abt 1038

Of Hesdin, France

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Annabilia Or Anabell CHAUCOMBE [LADY]

Birth: Abt 1225

Of Chacomb, Northamptonshire, England

Death: Aft 1281

Burial:
Chacombe Priory, Chacombe, Northamptonshire, England

Father: Robert De CHACOMB

Mother: Julian Mrs De CHACOMB

m. Roger De SOMERY

Abt 1228

Of Dudley, Staffordshire, England

(also

m.

Gilbert De SEAGROVE

Gilbert De SEGRAVE

Bef 30 1231 Sep

Of, Northamptonshire, England)

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Robert De CHACOMB

Birth: Abt 1175

Of Chacomb, Northamptonshire, England

Father: Hugh De CHACOMB

Mother: Hodierne

m. Julian Mrs De CHACOMB

Abt 1205

Of Northamptonshire, England

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Agnes Mrs SOMERY

Birth: Abt 1257

Of Sulham, Berkshire, England

Death: 23 Nov 1308

m. Roger SOMERY

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Margaret ROCKELL

Birth: Abt 1314

Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England

Death: 1360/1373

Father: Robert ROCKELL

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m. Geoffrey JOCELYN

Of Hertfordshire, England

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De Margaret PATMER

Birth: Abt 1340

Of Patmer Hall, Essex, England

Death: Abt 1383

Father: De John PATMER

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m.

Ralph JOCELYN

Of Essex, England

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De John PATMER

Birth: Abt 1310

Of Patmer Hall, Essex, England

Father: De John PATMER

Mother: De Sarah Mrs PATMER

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Catherine BRAY

Birth: Abt 1378

Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England

Father: Thomas BRAY

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m. Geoffrey JOCELYN

Of Hertfordshire, England

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Thomas BRAY

Birth: Abt. 1352

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Katherine Mrs JOCELYN

Birth: Abt 1410

Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertsfordshire, England

m. Geoffrey (Jeffrey) JOCELYN

Abt 1431

Of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Hertsfordshire, England

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Anne LAVENHAM

Birth: Abt 1442

Of Sheering, Essex, England

Father: John LAVENHAM

Mother: Mary De GATESBURY

m.
John (Jocelyn) JOSLELYN

Abt 1461

Of Sheering, Essex, England

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Alice NEVILLE

Birth: 1525

Fyfield, Essex, England

Death: 31 Jan 1601

Roxwell, Chelmsford, Essex, England

Burial: 31 Jan 1601

Roxwell, Essex, England

Father: John NEVILLE

Mother: Mrs-John NEVILLE

m.
John JOSSELYNE

15 Jan 1545

Fyfield, Chignal-Smealy, Essex Co., Eng.

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lyra

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Nov 26, 2006, 4:22:55 PM11/26/06

to

lyra wrote:
>
> an interesting article about the
>
> Joscelins
>
> of
>
> Chateau Joscelin
>
> ................................................................

(quote)

Josselin is located in the north of Morbihan, Brittany, northern
France. Josselin castle has overlooked this town since the Middle Ages,
and has witnessed some fierce battles over the years. Josselin is a
small town, perfect for a day's visit, with medieval half-timbered
houses clustered around the stunning château at its centre.

Josselin is a picturesque town, and is very popular with the British.
These days, you're almost as likely to hear an English voice around
town as you are a French one. But Brittany's history has always been
bound up with the British Isles. Britons first came here in the 5th and
6th centuries, when large numbers crossed the sea from their homelands
in Wales, Cornwall and Ireland to settle here. Josselin is still very
popular with British visitors, today, and it's easily reachable.

Château Josselin

The three majestic towers of this château overlook the river Oust and
dominate the town of Josselin. Originally built in the early 11th
century, it was completely destroyed by King Henry II of England. The
building of a replacement started in 1173, but parts of that have
undergone some changes over the centuries. In the 17th and 18th
centuries, the castle became derelict and it was only in 1835 that the
Duke of Rohan undertook its restoration. The Rohan family still own the
château today.
The Basilica

If you wander around the old medieval town with its half-timbered
buildings, you'll soon come across the Basilica. The style of this
church represents the flamboyant architecture of the 15th century. You
can climb its tower to enjoy the views over the town and surrounding
countryside.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/holiday/destinations/josselin_ssb/

lyra

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Nov 27, 2006, 11:34:49 AM11/27/06

to

lyra wrote:
>
> lyra wrote:
> >
> > an interesting article about the
> >
> > Joscelins
> >
> > of
> >
> > Chateau Joscelin
> >
> > ................................................................

The Chateau Josselin described in the BBC travel article,

quoted in this thread,

is NOT the one where the Josselin family lived.

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The BBC article describes

the Breton

"Chateau Josselin",

.......................................

the home (I guess) of the

de la Zouche family of Brittany,

who came to England and lived at

Ashby de la Zouche.

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(see the thread

The Dering (Kent) family tree).

lyra

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Nov 27, 2006, 11:51:31 AM11/27/06

to

lyra wrote:
>
> lyra wrote:
> >
> > lyra wrote:
> > >
> > > an interesting article about the
> > >
> > > Joscelins
> > >
> > > of
> > >
> > > Chateau Joscelin
> > >
> > > ................................................................
>
> The Chateau Josselin described in the BBC travel article,
>
> quoted in this thread,
>
> is NOT the one where the Josselin family lived.
>
> .........................................................