Re: TO MR. R[OWLAND] W[OODWARD]
art
http://www.halcyon.com/weir/weir.html
<<The de Vere name has been recorded, with & without
the use of "DE" or "de." This family has been recorded
over the centuries with the following spellings:
Ver, Vear, Veare, Veer, Vere, Veir, Vire, Weir, Wier, *WEAR* ,
Were, Wyer, *SPEAR, SPEARE* , Spere, *FEAR* & *REVERE*.
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_________ *RÊVER* : *TO DREAM* (French)
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As Great Shapesphere puns it.
- Finnegans Wake 295.4
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. TO MR. R[OWLAND] W[OODWARD] by John Donne
If, as mine is, thy life a SLUMBER be,
Seeme, when thou read'st these lines, *TO DREAME* of me,
NEVER did MORPHEU nor his brother *WEARE*
. SHAPES soe liKE those SHAPES, wHom they would apPEARE,
As this my letter is like me, for it
. Hath my name, words, hand, feet, heart, minde and WIT:
It is my deed of gift of mee to thee,
. It is my Will, my selfe the Legacie.
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. The Poems of Edward DE VERE
http://www.shakespeare-oxford.com/poemslny.htm
.
I saw a fair young lady come, her secret *FEARS* to wail,
Clad all in colour of a NUN, and *coVERED with a VEIL* ;
.
Oh heavens ! who was the first that bred in me this fEVER?
VERE
Who was the first that gave the wound whose FEAR I WEAR for EVER?
VERE.
What tyrant, Cupid, to my harm usurps thy golden quiVER?
VERE.
What sight first caught this heart and can from bondage it DEliVER?
VERE.
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___ *GREENES, Groats-VVORTH* of Witte?
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____ *VERDI* : *GREENS* (Italian)
____ *VERDI* : *WORTH* (Norwegian)
.
http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com/groatsworth.jpg
http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com/groatsworth.html
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. Taming of the Shrew » Induction, Scene I
.
Lord:
. Even as a flattering *DREAM* or *WORTH-LESS* fancy.
. Then take him up and manage well the *JEST* :
. Carry him GENTly to my fairest chamber
. And hang it round with all my wanton pictures:
. Balm his foul head in warm distilled waters
. And burn SWEET wood to make the lodging SWEET:
. Procure me music ready when he wakes,
. To make a *DULCET* and a heavenly sound;
. And if he chance to speak, be ready straight
. And with a low submissive rEVEREnce
. Say 'What is it your honour will command?'
. Let one attend him with *A SILVER BASIN*
. Full of *ROSE-WATER and BESTREW'd* with flowers,
. Another *BEAR THE EWER* , the third a diaper,
. And say 'Will't please your lordship cool your hands?'
. Some one be ready with a costly suit
. And ask him what apparel he will WEAR;
. Another tell him of his hounds and horse,
. And that his lady mourns at his disease:
. Persuade him that he hath been lunatic;
. And when he says he is, say that he *DREAMs* ,
. For he is *NOTHING* but a mighty lord.
. This do and do it kindly, gentle sirs:
. It will be pastime passing excellent,
. If it be husbanded with modesty.
.
First Huntsman:
. My lord, I warrant you we will play our part,
. As he shall think by our *TRUE DILIGENCE*
. He is no *LESS* than what we say he is.
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LUCY of Charlecote Motto: *By TRUTH and DILIGENCE*
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. Quixote's helmet was a *WASH BASIN* .
. Oxford was in charge of hand WASHing:
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<<The Office of *EWERY* had been in the Vere family for generations,
with the special privilege of bearing water to the King or Queen
on Coronation day. It is not known conclusively if Oxford performed
this function at King James' Coronation in 1603, but he did petition
to be paid for such service, as was the custom. Edward de Vere was
only 8 years old at Elizabeth's coronation in 1558. His father
John de Vere, the 16th EO, probably enjoyed that function.>>
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Art Neuendorffer
nordicskiv2
<b570f467-9bb7-48e9...@t18g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
art <acne...@gmail.com>
(aka Cuixot) wrote:
[Lunatic logorrhea snipped]
> . The Poems
...such as they are...
> of Edward DE VERE
> http://www.shakespeare-oxford.com/poemslny.htm
> .
> I saw a fair young lady come, her secret *FEARS* to wail,
> Clad all in colour of a NUN, and *coVERED with a VEIL* ;
> .
> Oh heavens ! who was the first that bred in me this fEVER?
> VERE
> Who was the first that gave the wound whose FEAR I WEAR for EVER?
> VERE.
> What tyrant, Cupid, to my harm usurps thy golden quiVER?
> VERE.
> What sight first caught this heart and can from bondage it DEliVER?
> VERE.
Haven't you posted this about two hundred times already, Art?
What idiot makes Crowley, Baker, Streitz, and Weir look smart?
Art
What spamming moron earned an SF "corner" set apart?
Art
Who thinks that "Homer" means the elder Simpson, sire of Bart?
Art
Who speaks, as native tongue, a COBOL-syntaxed patroillart?
Art
Whose diet of red herrings makes him seem a rav'nous scart?
Art
Whose self-inflicted wounds should earn their bearer Purple Hearts?
Art's
What Shakespeare newsgroup stalwart's alter ego's Michael Martin?
Art N.
[...]
Peter G.
news:cffa9b11-c028-47a3...@j11g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
This is excellent, David, but reserving such metrical virtuosity for HLAS is
casting pearls before swine, as the recent flyting (in whihch Nilges and
Martin were soundly trounced) demonstrates.
Peter G.
art
>>
>> . The Poems of Edward DE VERE
>>http://www.shakespeare-oxford.com/poemslny.htm
>> .
>> I saw a fair young lady come, her secret *FEARS* to wail,
>> Clad all in colour of a NUN, and *coVERED with a VEIL* ;
>> .
>> Oh heavens ! who was the first that bred in me this fEVER?
>> VERE
>> Who was the first that gave the wound whose FEAR I WEAR for EVER?
>> VERE.
>> What tyrant, Cupid, to my harm usurps thy golden quiVER?
>> VERE.
>> What sight first caught this heart and can from bondage it DEliVER?
>> VERE.
nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> What idiot makes Crowley, Baker, Streitz, and Weir look smart?
> Art
> What spamming moron earned an SF "corner" set apart?
> Art
> Who thinks that "Homer" means the elder Simpson, sire of Bart?
> Art
> Who speaks, as native tongue, a COBOL-syntaxed patroillart?
> Art
> Whose diet of red herrings makes him seem a rav'nous scart?
> Art
> Whose self-inflicted wounds should earn their bearer Purple Hearts?
> Art's
> What Shakespeare newsgroup stalwart's alter ego's Michael Martin?
> Art N.
Who runs the Shakespeare Authorship Coverup Conspirators' Conclave?
Dave.
Who always rallies Strat troglodytes to come out from their cave?
Dave.
Whose sole purpose at lit.authors.shakespeare is to misbehave?
Dave.
Who will beat you to a bloody pulp and then spit on your grave?
Dave.
Whose comments about Oxford are designed specifically to deprave?
Dave.
Who kowtows to the Grand Master like a lowly galley slave?
Dave.
What Shakespeare newsgroup stalwart's alter ego's KQKnave?
Dave.
Art Neuendorffer
Peter G.
news:3766345c-eacc-4592...@f20g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Art, there's no point in attempting this sort of thing unless you can scan.
It's like someone with poor co-ordination trying to juggle: he just ends up
looking ridiculous.
Peter G.
lackpurity
wrote:
> "art" <acneu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
MM:
Peter G. juggles his meter,
the poem's meaning is sweeter.
Peter knows how to scan,
for he's such a great man.
Write a poem, he's your greeter!
Michael Martin
nordicskiv2
<3766345c-eacc-4592...@f20g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
art <acne...@gmail.com>
(aka Cuixot) wrote:
> > art <acneu...@gmail.com> (aka Cuixot) wrote:
> >>
> >> . The Poems
...if you want to call them that...
By no means, Art -- I have merely attempted to egg on the nuttier
anti-Stratfordians to even more exalted feats of comedic genius than
their extant pronouncements that Caxton was Shakespeare's
contemporary, that only one of Shakespeare's plays is set in a foreign
country other than Italy, etc.; judging by some of of the gems that
you and Elizabeth have produced -- Anne Hathaway was Shakespeare's
mother, Virgil predated Herodotus, "vier" means "four" in Spanish, the
Special Theory of Relativity is both wrong and "plagerized [sic],"
"has de Cervantes" makes sense in Spanish, etc. -- I like to think
that my efforts have been modestly successful.
> Who will beat you to a bloody pulp and then spit on your grave?
> Dave.
By no means, Art -- your wounds are all self-inflicted.
> Whose comments about Oxford are designed specifically to deprave?
> Dave.
In view of what is known about Oxford's biography, that would be
gilding the lily indeed, Art.
> Who kowtows to the Grand Master like a lowly galley slave?
> Dave.
As I've told you already, Art, those of the Bloodline kowtow to
nobody; indeed, the other conspirators kowtow to us.
> What Shakespeare newsgroup stalwart's alter ego's KQKnave?
> Dave.
That's VERy weak, Art. While "Martin" is an anagram of "I'm Art
M."
(with an INIPNC score of 2/3) and hence by your own moronic
"methodology" must be taken seriously as corroboration of the lines
"What Shakespeare newsgroup stalwart's alter ego's Michael Martin?
Art N.",
the name KQKnave admits no sensible anagram at all, far less one than
names me. But if your aim above was to make even a clumsy VERsifier
like Oxford look competent, then you've succeeded splendidly, Art --
only one of your lines even begins to scan.
> Art Neuendorffer
nordicskiv2
wrote:
> "nordicskiv2" <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:cffa9b11-c028-47a3...@j11g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <b570f467-9bb7-48e9-8bd9-afa4ab90f...@t18g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
> > art <acneu...@gmail.com>
In article <9nYOm.57260$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Peter G." <Monti...@REMOVETHISbigpond.com> wrote:
> This is excellent, David,
Thanks, Peter -- coming from you, that's high praise indeed.
> but reserving such metrical virtuosity for HLAS is
> casting pearls before swine, as the recent flyting (in whihch Nilges and
> Martin were soundly trounced) demonstrates.
What's really amusing is that each member of the trio is so
metrically tone-deaf that he is unable to recognize how soundly you
have trounced him. It's difficult to decide which of the three is
funniest, but my vote would be for Nilges, whose earlier hapless
attempts to compose a mere limerick (in which imprudent pursuit he was
soundly trounced by Lynne) were so entertaining -- both Art and
lacksanity seem to retain some faint awareness (or at least some vague
suspicion) that there might be something that they are missing;
Nilges, on the other hand, is utterly oblivious, as the incorrigibly
tone-deaf generally are.
> Peter G.
art
>> Who runs the Shakespeare Authorship Coverup Conspirators' Conclave?
>> Dave.
>> Who always rallies Strat troglodytes to come out from their cave?
>> Dave.
>> Whose sole purpose at lit.authors.shakespeare is to misbehave?
>> Dave.
nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> By no means, Art -- I have merely attempted
> to egg on the nuttier anti-Stratfordians.
An addle egg.
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Egg, v. t. [OE. eggen, Icel. eggja, fr. egg edge.]
To urge on; to instigate; to incite
"Adam & Eve he egged to ill." Piers Plowman.
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. "[19] is equal to 10^2 - 9^2."
-- Martin Gardner _Did Adam & Eve Have Navels?_
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>> Who will beat you to a bloody pulp and then spit upon your grave?
>> Dave.
>
> By no means, Art -- your wounds are all self-inflicted.
'these wounds I had on crispin's day'
>> Whose comments about Oxford are designed specifically to deprave?
>> Dave.
>
> In view of what is known about Oxford's biography,
> that would be gilding the lily indeed, Art.
gild, v. t. (Archaic) To smear with blood.
>> Who kowtows to the Grand Master like a lowly galley slave?
>> Dave.
>
> As I've told you already, Art,
> those of the Bloodline kowtow to nobody;
My nickname at work was "nobody" but I constantly
reminded my coworkers that "nobody" is perfect.
>> What Shakespeare newsgroup stalwart's alter ego's KQKnave?
>> Dave.
>
> That's VERy weak, Art.
> While "Martin" is an anagram of "I'm Art M."
Who is "Art M." ?
Art Neuendorffer
nordicskiv2
<f63fbe66-1ef8-4e60...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
art <acne...@gmail.com>
(aka Cuixot) wrote:
> > art <acneu...@gmail.com> (aka Cuixot) wrote:
>
> >> Who runs the Shakespeare Authorship Coverup Conspirators' Conclave?
> >> Dave.
> >> Who always rallies Strat troglodytes to come out from their cave?
> >> Dave.
> >> Whose sole purpose at lit.authors.shakespeare is to misbehave?
> >> Dave.
> nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> >
> > By no means, Art -- I have merely attempted
> > to egg on the nuttier anti-Stratfordians.
You deleted part of what I wrote without ellipsis, Art -- that's
the mark of a slapdash pseudoscholar (which in your case is
exceedingly generous praise). What I wrote was:
"...I have merely attempted to egg on the nuttier
anti-Stratfordians to even more exalted feats of comedic
genius than their extant pronouncements that Caxton was
Shakespeare's contemporary, that only one of Shakespeare's
plays is set in a foreign country other than Italy, etc.;
judging by some of of the gems that you and Elizabeth have
produced -- Anne Hathaway was Shakespeare's mother, Virgil
predated Herodotus, 'vier' means 'four' in Spanish, the
Special Theory of Relativity is both wrong and 'plagerized [sic],'
'has de Cervantes' makes sense in Spanish, etc. -- I like to
think that my efforts have been modestly successful."
[...]
> . "[19] is equal to 10^2 - 9^2."
> -- Martin Gardner _Did Adam & Eve Have Navels?_
As I've told you many times, Art, Martin often wrote transparent
silliness to bewilder the mathematically inept in his humorous
essays. See his essay on Mr. Apollinax. The fact remains that *any*
odd natural number is both the sum of two consecutive integers and the
difference of their squares, although I realize that an understanding
of the VERy simple proof of this elementary fact is well beyond your
capacity.
> >> Who will beat you to a bloody pulp and then spit upon your grave?
> >> Dave.
> > By no means, Art -- your wounds are all self-inflicted.
> 'these wounds I had on crispin's day'
You inflict new self-inflicted wounds virtually *eVERy* day, Art.
> >> Whose comments about Oxford are designed specifically to deprave?
> >> Dave.
> > In view of what is known about Oxford's biography,
> > that would be gilding the lily indeed, Art.
> gild, v. t. (Archaic) To smear with blood.
Wrong sense, Art; try again. Hint: the phrase arises from a
combination of two metaphors in Shakespeare -- although of course I
realize that you have not read Shakespeare.
> >> Who kowtows to the Grand Master like a lowly galley slave?
> >> Dave.
> > As I've told you already, Art,
> > those of the Bloodline kowtow to nobody;
> My nickname at work was "nobody"
Why am I not surprised?
> but I constantly
> reminded my coworkers that "nobody" is perfect.
That explains an adage that I've often heard or read: "Anybody is
better than nobody."
> >> What Shakespeare newsgroup stalwart's alter ego's KQKnave?
> >> Dave.
> > That's VERy weak, Art.
> > While "Martin" is an anagram of "I'm Art M."
> Who is "Art M." ?
That's a typo, Art; it should read "I'm Art N." But anyone
competent in constructing anagrams would have been able to figure that
out, Art -- indeed, "N" is the unique letter that can be substituted
for "*" so that "I'm Art *" becomes an anagram of "Martin."
> Art Neuendorffer
art
>
>>>> Who runs the Shakespeare Authorship Coverup Conspirators' Conclave?
>>>> Dave.
>>>> Who always rallies Strat troglodytes to come out from their cave?
>>>> Dave.
>>>> Whose sole purpose at lit.authors.shakespeare is to misbehave?
>>>> Dave.
>> nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> By no means, Art -- I have merely attempted
>>> to egg on the nuttier anti-Stratfordians.
nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> You deleted part of what I wro...
> art <acneu...@gmail.com> > (aka Cuixot) wrote:
>>
>> . "[19] is equal to 10^2 - 9^2."
>> -- Martin Gardner _Did Adam & Eve Have Navels?_
>
> As I've told you many times, Art, Martin often wrote
> transparent silliness to bewilder the mathematically
> inept in his humorous essays.
As I've told you many times, Dave, Ben Jonson & friends often
wrote obtuse silliness to bewilder the intellectually inept
in their humorous Folio dedications.
>>>> Who will beat you to a bloody pulp and then spit upon your grave?
>>>> Dave.
>> nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> By no means, Art -- your wounds are all self-inflicted.
> art <acneu...@gmail.com> > (aka Cuixot) wrote:
>>
>> 'these wounds I had on crispin's day'
nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> You inflict new self-inflicted wounds virtually *eVERy* day, Art.
Mostly on crispin's day.
>>>> Whose comments about Oxford are designed specifically to deprave?
>>>> Dave.
>> nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> In view of what is known about Oxford's biography,
>>> that would be gilding the lily indeed, Art.
> art <acneu...@gmail.com> > (aka Cuixot) wrote:
>>
>> gild, v. t. (Archaic) To smear with blood.
nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> Wrong sense, Art; try again.
Does it have anything to do with a stonemason's gild?
>>>> Who kowtows to the Grand Master like a lowly galley slave?
>>>> Dave.
>> nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> As I've told you already, Art,
>>> those of the Bloodline kowtow to nobody;
> art <acneu...@gmail.com> > (aka Cuixot) wrote:
>>
>> My nickname at work was "nobody"
nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> Why am I not surprised?
>
I've probably mentioned it before.
> art <acneu...@gmail.com> > (aka Cuixot) wrote:
>>
>> but I constantly
>> reminded my coworkers that "nobody" is perfect.
nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> That explains an adage that I've often heard or read:
> "Anybody is better than nobody."
Nobody Knows The Trouble I've Seen
>>>> What Shakespeare newsgroup stalwart's alter ego's KQKnave?
>>>> Dave.
>> nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> That's VERy weak, Art.
>>> While "Martin" is an anagram of "I'm Art M."
> art <acneu...@gmail.com> > (aka Cuixot) wrote:
>>
>> Who is "Art M." ?
nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> That's a typo, Art;
Well, "nobody" is perfect.
Art N.
lackpurity
> >>> �art <acneu...@gmail.com> (aka Cuixot) wrote:
>
> >>>> Who runs the Shakespeare Authorship Coverup Conspirators' Conclave?
> >>>> Dave.
> >>>> Who always rallies Strat troglodytes to come out from their cave?
> >>>> Dave.
> >>>> Whose sole purpose at lit.authors.shakespeare is to misbehave?
> >>>> Dave.
> >> nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> >>> �By no means, Art -- I have merely attempted
> >>> � to egg on the nuttier anti-Stratfordians.
> nordicskiv2 <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> > � �You deleted part of what I wro...
> > �art <acneu...@gmail.com> > (aka Cuixot) wrote:
>
> >> . � � � "[19] is equal to 10^2 - 9^2."
> >> -- �Martin Gardner _Did Adam & Eve Have Navels?_
>
> > �As I've told you many times, Art, Martin often wrote
> > transparent silliness to bewilder the mathematically
> > inept in his humorous essays.
> As I've told you many times, Dave, Ben Jonson & friends often
> wrote obtuse silliness to bewilder the intellectually inept
> in their humorous Folio dedications.
MM:
His enconium was heartfelt to the max. What kind of heart do you
have, Art. It seems you can't connect dots to a heart that was full
of love and devotion to this Master. Otherwise, your claim is not
congruent even with common sense. He was Poet Laureate. He had a
reputation.
Your cover-up theory is absolutely absurd and ridiculous. Anti-Strats
have never been able to uphold such a ridiculous theory, which tends
to insult the intelligence, and they are still spinning wheels just as
much, today.
Michael Martin
art
.
> Your claim is not congruent even with common sense.
.
> Your theory is absolutely absurd and ridiculous.
.
> A ridiculous theory, which tends to insult the intelligence,
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These are all things that your
fellow Strats associate with you, Martin.
Art Neuendorffer