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Arthur Neuendorffer

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Mar 23, 2015, 12:28:49 PM3/23/15

>> Garfield Benderschmidt wrote:
>>
>> <<Why is there no mention of pewtering in the sonnets, or
>> transporting tin, or tin itself in the sonnets? Surely you
>> would expect at least some metaphorical expression of
>> Oxford's real life interests in the sonnets wouldn't you?>>
>> ----------------------------------------------
> Neufer wrote:
>>
>> . Othello, The Moor of Venice Act 2, Scene 1
>> .
>> IAGO: For making him egregiously an ass
>> . And practising upon his peace and quiet
>> . Even to madness. 'Tis here, but yet confused:
>> . Knavery's plain face is *nEVER seen TIN* [sic] used.

> Lea wrote:
>
> <<Is English your native tongue, Art?! If you possessed even the most
> cursory, superficial familiarity with the language, you would realize
> that "knavery's plain face is never seen tin [sic] used" makes *no*
> sense in English, and that "tin" is a misprint for "till".
>
> Didn't George Mason Elementary teach *any* English, even at this
> VERy rudimentary level, Art?! Did they not teach reading either?!>>

I distinctly remember _Fun with Dick & Jane_ (as well as _My Weekly Reader_).

In fact, I probably bought my cocker spaniel 'Pepper'
in fond remembrance of 'Spot.'
-----------------------------------------------------------
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_and_Jane

<<Dick and Jane were the main characters in popular basal readers written by William S. Gray and Zerna Sharp, that were used to teach children to read from the 1930s through to the 1970s in the United States. There is controversy as to plagiarism of another work, however, with Gray accused of copying Fred Schonell's similar Dick and Dora readers found in his Happy Venture Playbooks. The main characters, Dick and Jane, were a little boy and girl. Supporting characters included Baby (or Sally), Mother, Father, Spot, Puff the cat, and Tim the teddy bear. The books relied on the whole word or sight word reading method, and repetition, using phrases like, "Oh, see. Oh, see Jane. Funny, funny Jane." In 1955, Rudolf Flesch criticized the Dick and Jane series in his book, Why Johnny Can't Read, and the push for multiculturalism, and stronger presentation of other races and cultures was partially a reaction to the cultural homogeneity of the series.>>
-----------------------------------------------------------
I also subscribed for a while to Martin Gardner's
_Humpty Dumpty Magazine_ (before Martin's fall IMO).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humpty_Dumpty_%28magazine%29
-----------------------------------------------------------
> Lea wrote:
>
> <<MoreoVER, you can VERy easily consult a facsimile
> of the Quarto edition of _Othello_, where you will find:
>
> "Knauerie's plaine face is neuer seene, till vs'd."
>
> Similarly, if you consult a First Folio facsimile
> you will find:
>
> "Knauveries [sic] plaine face, is neuer seene, till vs'd.">>
> ...........................................................
Neufer wrote:
>
> Someone should probably have found a better spelter then.

Lea wrote:

<<Obviously George Mason Elementary neVER taught spelling
to its "obediant [sic]" students either.>>
...........................................................
There was no more "obediant [sic]" GME student than myself.
------------------------------------------------
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pewter

<<The word pewter is likely a variation of the word spelter.>>
------------------------------------------------
. Sonnet 119
.
WHat potions hau{E} I drunke of {S}yren teare{S}
Distil'd fr{O}m Lymbecks {F}oule as hell within,
.........................................
. <= 10 =>

. h a u {E} I d r u n k
. e o f {S} y r e n t e
. a r e {S} D i s t i l
. d f r {O} m L y m b e
. c k s {F} o u l e
.
{FOSSE} -10
.........................................
A[P]plying feares to hopes, and hopes to fear[E]s,
Still loosing when I saw my selfe to win?
.
[W]hat wretched errors hath my heart commi[T]ted,
Whilst it hath thought it selfe so bl[E]ssed neuer?
How haue mine eies out of thei[R] Spheares bene fitted
In the distraction of this madding feuer?
...........................................
. <= 34 =>
.
. A [P] plyingfearestohopesandhopestofea
. r [E] sStillloosingwhenIsawmyselfetowi
. n [W] hatwretchederrorshathmyheartcomm
. i [T] tedWhilstithaththoughtitselfesob
. l [E] ssedneuerHowhauemineeiesoutofthe
. i [R] SphearesbenefittedInthedistracti
. o n ofthismaddingfeuer

[PEWTER] 34 : Prob. in Sonnets ~ 1 in 9
---------------------------------------------------------------
> Lea wrote: <<Probability 1 in 9?!
>
> That's ludicrously and pathetically unimpressive, Art.>>
> .......................................................
Neufer wrote:
>
> Just practicing, Dave:

Lea wrote: <<Why, Art?>>
---------------------------------------------------------------
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_science

<<Cargo cult science comprises practices that have the semblance of being scientific, but do not in fact follow the scientific method. The term was first used by physicist Richard Feynman during his 1974 Cal Tech commencement address. Feynman cautioned that to avoid becoming cargo cult scientists, researchers must avoid fooling themselves, be willing to question and doubt their own theories and their own results, and investigate possible flaws in a theory or an experiment. He recommended that researchers adopt an unusually high level of honesty. Feynman cautioned, "We've learned from experience that the *TRUTH WILL come OUT* [- Launcelot The Merchant of Venice_ Act II, scene II]. Other experimenters will repeat your experiment and find out whether you were wrong or right. Nature's phenomena will agree or they'll disagree with your theory. And, although you may gain some temporary fame and excitement, you will not gain a good reputation as a scientist if you haven't tried to be very careful in this kind of work. And it's this type of integrity, this kind of care not to fool yourself, that is missing to a large extent in much of the research in cargo cult science.">>
---------------------------------------------------------------
>> . The Taming of the Shrew Act 2, Scene 1
>> .
>> GREMIO: First, as you know, my house within the city

> Lea wrote: <<But Art --
>
> _gremio_ is the Spanish word for a guild or trade -- like *masonry*!??
> .......................................................
> ...or The Worshipful Company of Pewterers:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worshipful_Company_of_Pewterers
>
> <<The Worshipful Company of Pewterers is one of the 110 LiVERy Companies of
> the City of London. It ranks 16th in the order of precedence of City Livery
> Companies and has existed since at least 1348.
>
> http://www.pewterers.org.uk/images/Pewterers%20Crest%20cornersml.png
>
> Crest: A Mount Vert thereon two Arms embowed Proper vested Argent cuffed
> Gules holding in both Hands erect a Dish of the Third.
>
> Supporters: Two Seahorses Or their Tails Proper.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Lea wrote:

<<This scheme is strikingly similar to the Noonedafter Arms, Art.>>
...................................................................
I have two hippocampi, one in either side of my internal Compewter:
---------------------------------------------------------------
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocampus

<<The hippocampus (named after its resemblance to the seahorse, from the Greek ἱππόκαμπος, "seahorse" from ἵππος hippos, "horse" and κάμπος kampos, "sea monster") is a major component of the brains of humans and other vertebrates. Humans and other mammals have two hippocampi, one in each side of the brain. It belongs to the limbic system and plays important roles in the consolidation of information from short-term memory to long-term memory and spatial navigation.>>
---------------------------------------------------------------
> Lea wrote:
>
> <<Actually, Art, if you wish to link Oxford with pewter, you would
> be better advised to seek the connection in Oxford's VERse rather
> than Shakespeare's -- indeed, the worst of Oxford's poetry
> is perhaps best characterized as pewt'rid.>>
> .......................................................
Neufer wrote:
>
> Then you needn't have cheated *SO* blatantly on _The Benezet Test_
---------------------------------------------------------------
Lea wrote:

<<I already told you, Art: (1) No answers to the "Benezet Test" were
provided by anyone (certainly not by May), and (2) the "test" is
absurdly easy for anyone with an ear for VERse (and a modicum of
familiarity with Shakespeare)-- indeed most of the determinations
can be made *without* paying attention to semantics, by the simple
expedient of noticing obvious changes in VERsification.

No doubt the Grand Master provided you with a cheat sheet.
---------------------------------------------------------------
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9n%C3%A9zet
>
> <<Saint Bénézet, (ca. 1163-1184) was a shepherd boy who saw a vision during
> an eclipse in 1177. This told him to build a bridge over the Rhône River at
> Avignon. He built the bridge single-handedly; ecclesiastical & civil
> authorities refused to help him. After his death, Bénézet was interred on the
> bridge itself. His relics were enshrined there until 1669, when a flood
> washed away part of the bridge. His coffin, recovered, was opened and the
> body of Bénézet was found to be incorrupt.>>
---------------------------------------------------------------
Lea wrote:

<<That's the wrong Benezet, Art; the "Benezet test" was introduced by
Louis Benezet (1876–1961), a Prince Tudor adherent to whose bizarre
_idée fixe_ Dartmouth's library probably owes its *EXCELLENT*
collection of older anti-Stratfordian crank pseudoscholarship.>>
--------------------------------------------------------------
Do you spend much time oVER Baker Berry, Dave?

(EVER done any Baker Berry PR2947 defenestrating, Dave?)

Baker Berry bought some Bacon;
“But,” said he, “this Bacon’s bitter!
If I put it in my B.S.
It will make my B.S. bitter.
But a bit o’ better butter
*WILL* but make my B.S. better.”
Then he bought a bit o’ butter
Better than the bitter Bacon,
Made his bitter B.S. better.
So ’twas better Baker Berry
Bought a bit o’ better butter.
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http://tinyurl.com/nf8zsn3

. PR2937 .B65 : Blumenthal, Walter Hart, Who knew Shakespeare? What was his reputation in his lifetime? Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c1965

. PR2937 .C54 2008 : Cheney, Patrick, Shakespeare's literary authorship / Patrick Cheney. Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c2008

. PR2937 .F49 : Feuillerat, Albert, The composition of Shakespeare's plays: authorship, chronology Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1953

. PR2937 .H65 1994 : Hope, Jonathan, The authorship of Shakespeare's plays : a socio-linguistic study / Jonathan Hope Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1994

. PR2937 .J36 2006 : James, Brenda, The truth will out : unmasking the real Shakespeare / Brenda James and William D. Rubinstein. Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c2006

. PR2937 .K59 2009 : Knapp, Jeffrey. Shakespeare only / Jeffrey Knapp. Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 2009

. PR2937 .M28 2005 : McCrea, Scott. The case for Shakespeare : the end of the authorship question / Scott McCrea. Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 2005

. PR2937 .M3 : McManaway, James Gilmer, The authorship of Shakespeare / by James G. McManaway Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1964

. PR2937 .M35 1962 : McMichael, George L., Shakespeare and his rivals; a casebook on the authorship controversy [by] George McMichael [and] Edga Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1962

. PR2937 .M38 : Martin, Milward W. Was Shakespeare Shakespeare? A lawyer reviews the evidence, by Milward W. Martin Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1965

. PR2937 .P75 2001 : Price, Diana, Shakespeare's unorthodox biography : new evidence of an authorship problem / Diana Price. Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 2001

. PR2937 .R36 2004 : Ramsbotham, Richard, Who wrote Bacon? : William Shakespeare, Francis Bacon and James I : a mystery for the twenty-first ce Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 2004

. PR2937 .R6 : Robertson, J. M. The Shakespeare canon by J. M. Robertson Baker Berry:LIBRARY HAS, Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1922-

. PR2937 .S43 2010 Shakespeare and his authors : critical perspectives on the authorship question / edited by William Le Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c2010

. PR2937 .S44 2007 The Shakespeare apocrypha / general editor, Douglas A. Brooks ; theme editor, Ann Thompson ; book rev Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c2007

. PR2937 .S445 2013 Shakespeare beyond doubt : evidence, argument, controversy / edited by Paul Edmondson and Stanley Wel Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 2013

. PR2937 .S47 2010 : Shapiro, James, Contested Will : who wrote Shakespeare? / James Shapiro. Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 2010

. PR2937 .V4 : Venton, W. B. Analyses of Shake-speares sonnets using the cipher code, by W. B. Venton; with facsimiles of the code Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1968

. PR2937 .V53 2002 : Vickers, Brian. Shakespeare, co-author : a historical study of five collaborative plays / Brian Vickers. Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 2002

. PR2939 .M36 1994 : Matus, Irvin Leigh. Shakespeare, in fact / Irvin Leigh Matus Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1994

. PR2939 .S55 1929 : Smart, John Semple, Shakespeare truth and tradition, by John Semple Smart with a memoir by W. Macneile Dixon Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1928

. PR2944 .B25 1917 : Baxter, James Phinney, The greatest of literary problems, the authorship of the Shakespeare works ; an exposition of all poi Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1917

. PR2944 .B6 : Bompas, George C. The problem of the Shakespeare plays, by George C. Bompas Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1902

. PR2944 .B75 : Booth, William Stone, The hidden signatures of Francesco Colonna and Francis Bacon; a comparison of their methods, with the Baker Berry Oversize:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1910

. PR2944 .B8 : Burr, William Henry, Bacon and Shakspere : proof that William Shakspere [facsim. of signature] could not write ; The sonne Rauner Rare Book:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1886

. PR2944 .C55 : Clark, Natalie Lord Rice, Bacon's dial in Shakespeare, a compass-clock cipher, by Natalie Rice Clark Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c1922

. PR2944 .C6 : Twain, Mark, Is Shakespeare dead? From my autobiography [by] Mark Twain Rauner Rare Book:AVAILABLE, Rauner Val:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1909

. PR2944 .L35 : Leary, Penn. The cryptographic Shakespeare : a monograph wherein the poems and plays attributed to William Shakesp Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1987

. PR2944 .L38 1990 : Leary, Penn. The second cryptographic Shakespeare : a monograph wherein the poems and plays attributed to William Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1990

. PR2944 .P7 : Pott, Henry, The promus of formularies and elegancies (being private notes, circ. 1594, hitherto unpublished) by F Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1883

. PR2944 .S5 : Smedley, W. T. The mystery of Francis Bacon, by William T. Smedley Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1912

. PR2945 .K84 : Kunow, Amelie Deventer von. Francis Bacon, last of the Tudors Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c1924

. PR2946 .B6 : Booth, William Stone, The Droeshout portrait of William Shakespeare; an experiment in identification with thirty-one illust Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1911

. PR2946 .P43 2001 : Peck, Andrew Stevens. Francis Bacon Tudor equals William Shakespeare / Andrew Stevens Peck. Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c2001

. PR2947.C5 R6 : Robertson, J. M. Shakespeare and Chapman; a thesis of Chapman's authorship of "A lover's complaint", and his originati Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1917

. PR2947.D5 L4 : Lefranc, A. Sous le masque de "William Shakespeare": William Stanley, VIe comte de Derby avec 4 portraits et 5 fa Baker Berry:AVAILABLE

. PR2947.L35 H83 2014 : Hudson, John, Shakespeare's dark lady : Amelia Bassano Lanier : the woman behind Shakespeare's plays? / John Hudson Baker Berry:New - will be on shelf soon . TEXT . 2014

. PR2947.M3 H6 : Hoffman, Calvin. The murder of the man who was "Shakespeare." Rauner Roberts Library:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1955

. PR2947.M3 H65 : Honey, William, The Shakespeare epitaph deciphered Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1969

. PR2947.O9 A73 2005 : Anderson, Mark, "Shakespeare" by another name : the life of Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford, the man who was Shakespea Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c2005

. PR2947.O9 B36 2010 : Beauclerk, Charles. Shakespeare's lost kingdom : the true history of Shakespeare and Elizabeth / Charles Beauclerk. Baker Berry:DUE 03-30-15 . TEXT . c2010

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. PR2947.O9 F37 2006 : Farina, William, De Vere as Shakespeare : an Oxfordian reading of the canon / William Farina ; foreword by Felicia Har Baker Berry:DUE 03-30-15 . TEXT . c2006

. PR2947.O9 F68 1986 : Fowler, William Plumer. Shakespeare revealed in Oxford's letters : the pre-Armada letters, 1563-1585, and the post-Armada let Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1986

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. PR2947.O9 O515 1984 : Ogburn, Charlton, The mysterious William Shakespeare : the myth and the reality / Charlton Ogburn Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c1984

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. PR2947.P45 W55 2006 : Williams, Robin, Sweet swan of Avon : did a woman write Shakespeare? / Robin P. Williams. Baker Berry:DUE 03-30-15
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Art Neuendorffer

david....@dartmouth.edu

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Mar 24, 2015, 1:06:53 PM3/24/15

In article <54eb1c2a-8ff8-41f2...@googlegroups.com>,

Arthur Neuendorffer <acne...@gmail.com> (aka Noonedafter) wrote:

> >> Garfield Benderschmidt wrote:
> >>
> >> <<Why is there no mention of pewtering in the sonnets, or
> >> transporting tin, or tin itself in the sonnets? Surely you
> >> would expect at least some metaphorical expression of
> >> Oxford's real life interests in the sonnets wouldn't you?>>
> >> ----------------------------------------------

> > Neufer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:
> >>
> >> . Othello, The Moor of Venice Act 2, Scene 1
> >> .
> >> IAGO: For making him egregiously an ass
> >> . And practising upon his peace and quiet
> >> . Even to madness. 'Tis here, but yet confused:
> >> . Knavery's plain face is *nEVER seen TIN* [sic] used.

> > Lea wrote:
> >
> > <<Is English your native tongue, Art?! If you possessed even the most
> > cursory, superficial familiarity with the language, you would realize
> > that "knavery's plain face is never seen tin [sic] used" makes *no*
> > sense in English, and that "tin" is a misprint for "till".
> >
> > Didn't George Mason Elementary teach *any* English, even at this
> > VERy rudimentary level, Art?! Did they not teach reading either?!>>

> I distinctly remember _Fun with Dick & Jane_ (as well as _My Weekly Reader_).

A weekly reader for weak readers?

> In fact, I probably bought my cocker spaniel 'Pepper'
> in fond remembrance of 'Spot.'
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_and_Jane
>
> <<Dick and Jane were the main characters in popular basal readers written by
> William S. Gray and Zerna Sharp, that were used to teach children to read

...some of them, at any rate; the series plainly failed abysmally in
at least one conspicuous instance of a pupil in an elementary school in
Alexandria...

> from the 1930s through to the 1970s in the United States. There is
> controversy as to plagiarism of another work, however, with Gray accused of
> copying Fred Schonell's similar Dick and Dora readers found in his Happy
> Venture

But Art -- "venture" is an anagram of "Vere nut"!

> Playbooks. The main characters, Dick and Jane, were a little boy and
> girl. Supporting characters included Baby (or Sally), Mother, Father, Spot,
> Puff the cat, and Tim the teddy bear. The books relied on the whole word or
> sight word reading method, and repetition, using phrases like, "Oh, see. Oh,
> see Jane. Funny, funny Jane." In 1955, Rudolf Flesch criticized the Dick and
> Jane series in his book, Why Johnny Can't Read,

The title clearly should be updated to "Why Art Can't Read".

> and the push for
> multiculturalism, and stronger presentation of other races and cultures was
> partially a reaction to the cultural homogeneity of the series.>>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> I also subscribed for a while to Martin Gardner's
> _Humpty Dumpty Magazine_ (before Martin's fall IMO).

Humpty Dumb-PT?

*What* "fall", Art?! Martin was sharp as a tack until the VERy end.
MoreoVER, throughout his long career he delighted in panning nutcase
pseudoscience and pseudohistory, of which the range of anti-Stratfordian
demented delusions furnishes an exemplary instance.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humpty_Dumpty_%28magazine%29
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> > Lea wrote:
> >
> > <<MoreoVER, you can VERy easily consult a facsimile
> > of the Quarto edition of _Othello_, where you will find:
> >
> > "Knauerie's plaine face is neuer seene, till vs'd."
> >
> > Similarly, if you consult a First Folio facsimile
> > you will find:
> >
> > "Knauveries [sic] plaine face, is neuer seene, till vs'd.">>
> > ...........................................................

> Neufer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:
> >
> > Someone should probably have found a better spelter then.

> Lea wrote:
>
> <<Obviously George Mason Elementary neVER taught spelling
> to its "obediant [sic]" students either.>>
> ...........................................................
> There was no more "obediant [sic]" GME student than myself.

...nor was there eVER a worse reader or speller at GME, apparently.

How could anyone who (1) is conVERsant with English and (2) reads
competently *possibly* think (usual disclaimer) that the clause
"knavery's plain face is never seen tin [sic] used" makes any sense in
English?!

Another way of framing the question might be: What sort of idiot
would think (usual disclaimer) that the phrase makes any sense in
English, or would fail to recognize that "tin [sic]" is (obviously) a
misprint for "till"? An illiterate one? That seems to be the only
plausible answer.

[Crackpot cryptography snipped]

> [PEWTER] 34 : Prob. in Sonnets ~ 1 in 9

> > Lea wrote: <<Probability 1 in 9?!
> >
> > That's ludicrously and pathetically unimpressive, Art.>>
> > .......................................................

> Neufer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:
> >
> > Just practicing, Dave:

> Lea wrote: <<Why, Art?>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_science
>
> <<Cargo cult science comprises practices that have the semblance of being
> scientific, but do not in fact follow the scientific method.

[Repetitive asinine anthologizing snipped]

That doesn't answer my question *at all*, Art -- rather, it furnishes
an excellent summary of the "thinking" (usual disclaimer) of most
anti-Stratfordians.

MoreoVER, as I already noted, you need no further practice in making
an ass of yourself, Art -- indeed, you have developed that pursuit into
a VERitable Art form!

[Lunatic logorrhea snipped]

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9n%C3%A9zet
> >
> > <<Saint Bénézet, (ca. 1163-1184) was a shepherd boy who saw a vision during
> > an eclipse in 1177. This told him to build a bridge over the Rhône River at
> > Avignon. He built the bridge single-handedly; ecclesiastical & civil
> > authorities refused to help him. After his death, Bénézet was interred on
> > the
> > bridge itself. His relics were enshrined there until 1669, when a flood
> > washed away part of the bridge. His coffin, recovered, was opened and the
> > body of Bénézet was found to be incorrupt.>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Lea wrote:
>
> <<That's the wrong Benezet, Art; the "Benezet test" was introduced by
> Louis Benezet (1876–1961), a Prince Tudor adherent to whose bizarre
> _idée fixe_ Dartmouth's library probably owes its *EXCELLENT*
> collection of older anti-Stratfordian crank pseudoscholarship.>>
> --------------------------------------------------------------

> Do you spend much time oVER [sic] Baker Berry, Dave?

Is English your native tongue, Art? Spending much time oVER
Baker-Berry would be rather difficult, since the roof is not accessible
to anyone except the custodial staff, and the tower is only open at a
few specific times. One might, I suppose, have recourse to a
helicopter, but there would be little point.

> (EVER done any Baker Berry PR2947 defenestrating, Dave?)

Of course not, Art. If I had, then the titles in your bibliography
below would not remain in the collection. You clearly have not thought
(usual disclaimer) this matter through VERy carefully, Art.

In fact, the library's collection of anti-Stratfordian lunacy
supports not defenestrating, but rather de-funniest-reading.

Incidentally, Art, you seem to have oVERlooked the fact that the
nutcase volumes on Shakespeare authorship are not limited to the PR2947
Library of Congress classification. Indeed, most of the older works of
crank anti-Stratfordian pseudoscholarship are shelved elsewhere, under
the older Dewey Decimal classification 824. For example, the elder
Ogburns' _This star of England: "William Shake-speare," man of the
Renaissance_ is shelved under the call number 824 Sh IO42. Similarly,
the call number of Orville W. Owen's _Sir Francis Bacon's cipher story_
is 824 Sh IO7 v.1-3. You're missing some of the crackpot gems of the
collection, Art!

> Baker Berry bought some Bacon;

You're wrong again, Art. Almost all the anti-Stratfordian lunacy was
acquired by *Baker* Library, long before the Berry part of the library
was built; indeed, the latter was only completed in 2002.

In fact, since Benezet's retirement, I doubt that the library has
acquired VERy many works of nutcase pseudoscholarship -- at least not
intentionally. The library's expert subject bibliographers are looking
for works of *serious scholarship* written by experts, not unintended
farces written by comic crackpots, so it is quite natural that
comparatively few anti-Stratfordian works would be acquired. For
example, Mr. Streitz's _Oxford: Son of Queen Elizabeth I_ is not in the
collection (a great pity -- but the library doesn't have a section
devoted to the unintended comedy of incompetence). Nor is Mark
Anderson's _Shakespeare By Another Name: A Biography Of Edward De Vere,
Earl Of Oxford, The Man Who Was Shakespeare_. Nor is Sobran's _Alias
Shakespeare_. Nor is Virginia Fellows's _The Shakespeare Code_ (a pity
-- it promises to be VERy amusing reading). Nor is Michell's _Who Wrote
Shakespeare?_. Nor is Stritmatter and Kositsky's _On the Date, Sources
and Design of Shakespeare's _The Tempest__. Nor is Gililov's _The
Shakespeare Game: The Mystery of the Great Phoenix_. Nor is
Whittemore's _The Monument: "Shake-Speares Sonnets" by Edward de Vere,
17th Earl of Oxford_ or _Shakespeare's Son and His Sonnets_.

Incidentally, Art, when are you going to write *your* book? When you
do, I promise you that I will request that the library procure a copy!

> “But,” said he, “this Bacon’s bitter!
> If I put it in my B.S.
> It will make my B.S. bitter.
> But a bit o’ better butter
> *WILL* but make my B.S. better.”

Adding anti-Stratfordian crankery to the mix could only make B.S.
better, Art -- indeed, the anti-Stratfordian delusion is the source of
some of the funniest B.S. now available!

[...]
> http://tinyurl.com/nf8zsn3

As I already noted, Art, you're missing a substantial portion of the
crackpot collection!

[Bumbling bibliography snipped]
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Art Neuendorffer

Arthur Neuendorffer

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Mar 24, 2015, 5:12:28 PM3/24/15

>>> Garfield Benderschmidt wrote:
>>>
>>> <<Why is there no mention of pewtering in the sonnets, or
>>> transporting tin, or tin itself in the sonnets? Surely you
>>> would expect at least some metaphorical expression of
>>> Oxford's real life interests in the sonnets wouldn't you?>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------

>> Neufer wrote:
>>>
>>> . Othello, The Moor of Venice Act 2, Scene 1
>>> .
>>> IAGO: For making him egregiously an ass
>>> . And practising upon his peace and quiet
>>> . Even to madness. 'Tis here, but yet confused:
>>> . Knavery's plain face is *nEVER seen TIN* [sic] used.

>> Lea wrote:
>>
>> <<Is English your native tongue, Art?! If you possessed even the most
>> cursory, superficial familiarity with the language, you would realize
>> that "knavery's plain face is never seen tin [sic] used" makes *no*
>> sense in English, and that "tin" is a misprint for "till".
>>
>> Didn't George Mason Elementary teach *any* English, even at this
>> VERy rudimentary level, Art?! Did they not teach reading either?!>>

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Neufer wrote:
>
> I distinctly remember _Fun with Dick & Jane_ (as well as _My Weekly Reader_).

Lea wrote: <<A weekly reader for weak readers?>>

That would have been: _My Weakly Reader_ , Dave.

(So where did you learn to spell?)
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Neufer wrote:
>
> In fact, I probably bought my cocker spaniel 'Pepper'
> in fond remembrance of 'Spot.'
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_and_Jane
>
> <<Dick and Jane were the main characters in popular basal readers written by
> William S. Gray and Zerna Sharp, that were used to teach children to read

> Venture Playbooks. The main characters, Dick and Jane, were a little boy and

> girl. Supporting characters included Baby (or Sally), Mother, Father, Spot,
> Puff the cat, and Tim the teddy bear. The books relied on the whole word or
> sight word reading method, and repetition, using phrases like, "Oh, see. Oh,
> see Jane. Funny, funny Jane." In 1955, Rudolf Flesch criticized the Dick and

> Jane series in his book, Why Johnny Can't Read, and the push for

> multiculturalism, and stronger presentation of other races and cultures was
> partially a reaction to the cultural homogeneity of the series.>>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> I also subscribed for a while to Martin Gardner's
> _Humpty Dumpty Magazine_ (before Martin's fall IMO).

Lea wrote: <<Humpty Dumb-PT?>>

What tremendously easy riddles you ask!

Did you think I didn't know the answer to that? Ask another.

Lea wrote: <<*What* "fall", Art?!>>

http://tinyurl.com/nakjqyj

Martin was sharp as a tack until the VERy end.

As Sharp as Zerna?
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> | Art Neuendorffer wrote:
> | > --------------------------------------------------------
> | > (The King James & only the King James version):
> | > Psalm 46
> | > "SHAKE" is the 46th word from the beginning,
> | > and "SPEAR" is the 46th word from the end.
---------------------------------------------------------------
David L. Webb <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> | I've already pointed out to you that this is false, Art,
> | as Martin Gardner, has pointed out; as I already said,
> | "In Richard TaVERner's 1539 VERsion of Psalm 46,
> | 'shake' & 'spear' are in *precisely* the same positions.
> | HoweVER, one would scarcely expect
> | aneuendorffer114...@comicass.nut
> | to have VERified his idiotic claims about matters of fact."
> | Are you completely senile, Art?
> | Or are you just oblivious to facts?
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Peter Groves wrote:
>
> I've just had a look at the text on EEBO
> (Early English Books Online) and while "spere" is 47 words from
> the end (not counting "Selah"), Taverner has "shooke" rather
> than "shake" and it's actually 57 words from the beginning.
> Also, for some reason, he numbers the psalm 45.
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(Richard TaVERner's 1539 VERsion):

Psalm *45*
"*SHOOKE*" is the *57*th word from the beginning,
and "SPERE" is the *47*th word from the end.
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(The King James & only the King James Version):

Psalm *46*
"SHAKE" is the *46*th word from the beginning,
and "SPEAR" is the *46*th word from the end.

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>> Lea wrote:
>>
>> <<MoreoVER, you can VERy easily consult a facsimile
>> of the Quarto edition of _Othello_, where you will find:
>>
>> "Knauerie's plaine face is neuer seene, till vs'd."
>>
>> Similarly, if you consult a First Folio facsimile
>> you will find:
>>
>> "Knauveries [sic] plaine face, is neuer seene, till vs'd.">>
>> ...........................................................

> Neufer wrote:
>>
>> Someone should probably have found a better spelter then.

> Lea wrote:
>
> <<Obviously George Mason Elementary neVER taught spelling
> to its "obediant [sic]" students either.>>
> ...........................................................
> There was no more "obediant [sic]" GME student than myself.

Neufer wrote:
>
>...nor was there eVER a worse reader or speller at GME, apparently.

<<How could anyone who (1) is conVERsant with English and

(2) reads competently *possibly* think that the clause

"knavery's plain face is never seen tin [sic] used"
makes any sense in English?!>>

--------------------------------------------------

But *YOU* just wrote:
>
> if you consult a First Folio facsimile you will find:
>
> "Knauveries [sic] plaine face, is neuer seene, till vs'd.">>

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Neufer wrote:
>
> [PEWTER] 34 : Prob. in Sonnets ~ 1 in 9

>> Lea wrote: <<Probability 1 in 9?!
>>
>> That's ludicrously and pathetically unimpressive, Art.>>
>> .......................................................

> Neufer wrote:
>>
>> Just practicing, Dave:

> Lea wrote: <<Why, Art?>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_science
>
> <<Cargo cult science comprises practices that have the semblance
> of being scientific, but do not in fact follow the scientific method.

[Repetitive asinine anthologizing snipped]

That doesn't answer my question *at all*, Art -- rather, it furnishes
an excellent summary of the "thinking" (usual disclaimer) of most
anti-Stratfordians.

MoreoVER, as I already noted, you need no further practice in making
an ass of yourself, Art -- indeed, you have developed that pursuit into
a VERitable Art form!

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9n%C3%A9zet
>>
>> <<Saint Bénézet, (ca. 1163-1184) was a shepherd boy who saw a vision during
>> an eclipse in 1177. This told him to build a bridge over the Rhône River at
>> Avignon. He built the bridge single-handedly; ecclesiastical & civil
>> authorities refused to help him. After his death, Bénézet was interred on
>> the bridge itself. His relics were enshrined there until 1669, when
>> a flood washed away part of the bridge. His coffin, recovered,
>> was opened and the body of Bénézet was found to be incorrupt.>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Lea wrote:
>
> <<That's the wrong Benezet, Art; the "Benezet test" was introduced by

> Louis Benezet (1876-1961), a Prince Tudor adherent to whose bizarre

> _idée fixe_ Dartmouth's library probably owes its *EXCELLENT*
> collection of older anti-Stratfordian crank pseudoscholarship.>>
> --------------------------------------------------------------

Neufer wrote:
>
> Do you spend much time oVER [sic] Baker Berry, Dave?

Lea wrote:
>
<<Is English your native tongue, Art? Spending much time oVER
Baker-Berry would be rather difficult, since the roof is not
accessible to anyone except the custodial staff, and the tower
is only open at a few specific times. One might, I suppose,
have recourse to a helicopter, but there would be little point.>>

The Grand Master could always send all his horses
and all the his men in case you were to fall.
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Neufer wrote:
>
> (EVER done any Baker Berry PR2947 defenestrating, Dave?)

Lea wrote:
>
<<Of course not, Art. If I had, then the titles
in your bibliography below would not remain in the collection.>>

Better late than nEVER.

Lea wrote:
>
<<Incidentally, Art, you seem to have oVERlooked the fact that the
nutcase volumes on Shakespeare authorship are not limited to the PR2947
Library of Congress classification. Indeed, most of the older works of
crank anti-Stratfordian pseudoscholarship are shelved elsewhere, under
the older Dewey Decimal classification 824. For example, the elder
Ogburns' _This star of England: "William Shake-speare," man of the
Renaissance_ is shelved under the call number 824 Sh IO42. Similarly,
the call number of Orville W. Owen's _Sir Francis Bacon's cipher story_
is 824 Sh IO7 v.1-3.

So what was wrong with
822.33A (English Literature, Shakespearean Authorship)?
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824 Sh IB The philosophy of the plays of Shakespeare unfolded / by Delia Bacon ; with a preface by Nathaniel Ha Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1857

The philosophy of the plays of Shakespeare unfolded / by Delia Bacon ; with a preface by Nathaniel Ha Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1857

The philosophy of the plays of Shakespeare unfolded / by Delia Bacon ; with a preface by Nathaniel Ha Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1857

824 Sh IB3 : Bayley, Harold. The tragedy of Sir Francis Bacon; an appeal for further investigation and research, by Harold Bayley Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1902

824 Sh IB35 : Bénézet, Louis Paul, Shakspere, Shakespeare and De Vere [by] Louis P. Bénézet Rauner Alumni:AVAILABLE, Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1937

824 Sh IB5 : Blumenthal, Walter Hart, Paging Mr. Shakespeare: a critical challenge Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1961

824 Sh IB7 : Booth, William Stone, Some acrostic signatures of Francis Bacon, bacon Verulam of Verulam, viscount St. Alban, together wit Library Depository:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1909

824 Sh IB8 : Brooks, Alden. Will Shakspere and the Dyer's hand, by Alden Brooks Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1943

824 Sh IC4 : Chapman, William Hall, William Shakspere and Robert Greene; the evidence, by William H. Chapman Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT c1912

824 Sh IC45 : Churchill, Reginald Charles. Shakespeare and his betters; a history and a criticism of the attempts which have been made to prove Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1958

824 Sh IC62 : Clark, Eva Turner, The man who was Shakespeare, by Eva Turner Clark Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1937

824 Sh IC7 : Connes, G. A, Le mystère Shakespearien Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT c1926

824 Sh ID3 : Dixon, Theron Soliman Eugene, Francis Bacon and his Shakespeare, by Theron S. E. Dixon Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1895

824 Sh ID4 : Dodge, D. D, Shakespeare - Bacon / Mrs. D.C. Dodge Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1916

824 Sh ID5 : Donnelly, Ignatius, The great cryptogram Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1888

824 Sh ID8 : Durning-Lawrence, Edwin, Bacon is Shake-speare. Together with a reprint of Bacon's Promus of formularies and elegancies, colla Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1910

824 Sh IE93 : Evans, A. J, Shakespeare's magic circle Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1956

824 Sh IF2 : Feely, Joseph Martin, Decyphering Shakespeare; work sheets in the Shakespearean cypher, by Joseph Martin Feely Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1934

824 Sh IF22 : Feely, Joseph Martin, The Shakespearean cypher, in the first folio, MDCXXIII, demonstrated and surveyed, by Joseph Martin F Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1931

824 Sh IF23 : Feely, Joseph Martin, Shakespeare's maze further deciphered [by] Joseph Martin Feely Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1938

824 Sh IF8 : Frazer, R, The silent Shakespeare, by Robert Frazer Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1915

824 Sh IF82 : Friedman, William F, The Shakespearean ciphers examined; an analysis of cryptographic systems used as evidence that some a Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1957

824 Sh IF83 : Frisbee, George, Edward De Vere, a great Elizabethan, by George Frisbee Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1931

824 Sh IG4 : Gibson, H. N, The Shakespeare claimants; a critical survey of the four principal theories concerning the authorship Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT c1962

824 Sh IG7 : Goldsworthy, W. Lansdown Shake-speare's heraldic emblems; their origin & meaning, illustrated from old plates and wood-cuts Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1928

824 Sh IH2 : Hamilton, N. E. S. A, An inquiry into the genuineness of the manuscript corrections in Mr. J. Payne Collier's annotated Sha Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1860

824 Sh IH6 : Holland, Hubert Henry, Shakespeare, Oxford and Elizabethan times, by Rear-Admiral H. H. Holland .. Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1933

824 Sh IH7 : Holmes, Nathaniel, The authorship of Shakespeare Baker Berry:AVAILABLE

824 Sh IL2 : Lang, Andrew, Shakespeare, Bacon, and the great unknown, Andrew Lang. With eight illustrations Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1912

824 Sh IL32 : Lefranc, A, A la découverte de Shakespeare Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1945-

824 Sh IL5 : Looney, J. Thomas, "Shakespeare" identified in Edward De Vere, the seventeenth earl of Oxford, by J. Thomas Looney Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT c1920

824 Sh IO4 : Ogburn, Charlton, The Renaissance man of England Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1949

824 Sh IO42 : Ogburn, Dorothy, This star of England: "William Shake-speare," man of the Renaissance Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1952

824 Sh IO7 : Owen, Orville Ward, Sir Francis Bacon's cipher story. Discovered and deciphered by Orville W. Owen Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1893-

824 Sh IP4 : Penzance, James Plaisted Wilde, Lord Penzance on the Bacon-Shakespeare controvery. A judicial summing-up, by the Rt. Hon. Sir James P Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1902

824 Sh IR28 : Reed, Edwin, Bacon and Shakespeare parallelisms Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1902

824 Sh IR3 : Reed, Edwin, Brief for the plaintiff : Bacon vs. Shakespeare / by Edwin Reed Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1890

824 Sh IR34 : Reed, Edwin, Francis Bacon our Shake-speare Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1902

824 Sh IR38 : Reed, Edwin, The truth concerning Stratford-upon-Avon, and Shakespere. With other essays. By Edwin Reed, A. M. Or Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1907

824 Sh IR5 : Robertson, J. M, The genuine in Shakespeare; a conspectus, by J.M. Robertson Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1930

824 Sh IS9 : Sykes, Claud W, Alias William Shakespeare? With a pref. by Arthur Bryant Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1947

824 Sh IT5 : Titherley, Arthur Walsh, Shakespeare's identity, William Stanley, 6th earl of Derby Baker Berry:AVAILABLE: TEXT 1952

824 Sh IW : Wadsworth, Frank W, The poacher from Stratford; a partial account of the controversy over the authorship of Shakespeare's Baker Berry:AVAILABLE ker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1994
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Neufer wrote:
>
> Baker Berry bought some Bacon;

Lea wrote:
>
<<You're wrong again, Art. Almost all the anti-Stratfordian lunacy was
acquired by *Baker* Library, long before the Berry part of the library
was built; indeed, the latter was only completed in 2002.>>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ROwVrF0Ceg

Lea wrote:
>
<<In fact, since Benezet's retirement, I doubt that the library has
acquired VERy many works of nutcase pseudoscholarship -- at least not
intentionally. The library's expert subject bibliographers are looking
for works of *serious scholarship* written by experts, not unintended
farces written by comic crackpots, so it is quite natural that
comparatively few anti-Stratfordian works would be acquired. For
example, Mr. Streitz's _Oxford: Son of Queen Elizabeth I_ is not
in the collection (a great pity -- but the library doesn't have
a section devoted to the unintended comedy of incompetence).

Nor is Mark Anderson's _Shakespeare By Another Name: A Biography
Of Edward De Vere, Earl Of Oxford, The Man Who Was Shakespeare_.

You're forgetting about PR2947:
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http://tinyurl.com/nf8zsn3

. PR2947.O9 A73 2005 : Anderson, Mark, "Shakespeare" by another name : the life of Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford, the man who was Shakespea Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c2005

...............................................................

. PR2947.O9 B36 2010 : Beauclerk, Charles. Shakespeare's lost kingdom : the true history of Shakespeare and Elizabeth / Charles Beauclerk. Baker Berry:DUE 03-30-15 . TEXT . c2010

. PR2947.O9 C63 : Clark, Eva Turner, Hidden allusions in Shakespeare's plays; a study of the Oxford theory based on the records of early c Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c1931

. PR2947.O9 F37 2006 : Farina, William, De Vere as Shakespeare : an Oxfordian reading of the canon / William Farina ; foreword by Felicia Har Baker Berry:DUE 03-30-15 . TEXT . c2006

. PR2947.O9 F68 1986 : Fowler, William Plumer. Shakespeare revealed in Oxford's letters : the pre-Armada letters, 1563-1585, and the post-Armada let Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1986

. PR2947.O9 N45 2003 : Nelson, Alan H. Monstrous adversary : the life of Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford / Alan H. Nelson. Baker Berry:DUE 03-30-15 . TEXT . 2003

. PR2947.O9 O515 1984 : Ogburn, Charlton, The mysterious William Shakespeare : the myth and the reality / Charlton Ogburn Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c1984

. PR2947.O9 O515 1992 : Ogburn, Charlton, The mysterious William Shakespeare : the myth & the reality / Charlton Ogburn Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c1992

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Lea wrote:

<<Incidentally, Art, when are you going to write *your* book? When you
do, I promise you that I will request that the library procure a copy!>>

That is Berry thoughtful of you.

(But surely you are aware that the Grand Master
would be happy to pay for your own copy.)
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Neufer wrote:
>
> "But," said he, "this Bacon's bitter!
> If I put it in my B.S.
> It will make my B.S. bitter.
> But a bit o' better butter
> *WILL* but make my B.S. better."

Lea wrote:
>
<<Adding anti-Stratfordian crankery to the mix
could only make B.S. better, Art>>

Agreed.
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Neufer wrote:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/nf8zsn3

Lea wrote:
>
<<As I already noted, Art,
you're missing a substantial portion of the crackpot collection!>>

Besides many orthodox Shakespeare bio's I own:
........................................................

. PR2947.O9 N45 2003 : Nelson, Alan H. Monstrous adversary : the life of Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford / Alan H. Nelson. Baker Berry:DUE 03-30-15 . TEXT . 2003

. PR2937 .S47 2010 : Shapiro, James, Contested Will : who wrote Shakespeare? / James Shapiro. Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 2010

. PR2939 .M36 1994 : Matus, Irvin Leigh. Shakespeare, in fact / Irvin Leigh Matus Ba

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Art Neuendorffer

david....@dartmouth.edu

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Mar 25, 2015, 10:41:26 AM3/25/15

In article <6286cad4-6414-4948...@googlegroups.com>,

Arthur Neuendorffer <acne...@gmail.com> (aka Noonedafter) wrote:

> >>> Garfield Benderschmidt wrote:
> >>>
> >>> <<Why is there no mention of pewtering in the sonnets, or
> >>> transporting tin, or tin itself in the sonnets? Surely you
> >>> would expect at least some metaphorical expression of
> >>> Oxford's real life interests in the sonnets wouldn't you?>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------
> >> Neufer wrote:
> >>>
> >>> . Othello, The Moor of Venice Act 2, Scene 1
> >>> .
> >>> IAGO: For making him egregiously an ass
> >>> . And practising upon his peace and quiet
> >>> . Even to madness. 'Tis here, but yet confused:
> >>> . Knavery's plain face is *nEVER seen TIN* [sic] used.

> >> Lea wrote:
> >>
> >> <<Is English your native tongue, Art?! If you possessed even the most
> >> cursory, superficial familiarity with the language, you would realize
> >> that "knavery's plain face is never seen tin [sic] used" makes *no*
> >> sense in English, and that "tin" is a misprint for "till".
> >>
> >> Didn't George Mason Elementary teach *any* English, even at this
> >> VERy rudimentary level, Art?! Did they not teach reading either?!>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------

> Neufer (aka Noondafter) wrote:
> >
> > I distinctly remember _Fun with Dick & Jane_ (as well as _My Weekly
> > Reader_).

> Lea wrote: <<A weekly reader for weak readers?>>
>

> That would have been: _My Weakly [sic] Reader_ , Dave.

No, Art; the English word _weakly_ is an adVERb, not an adjective,
except in a VERy few specific senses: weak in physical constitution,
morally weak, or faint (when applied to a laugh). "Weak reader" is the
correct term for children in the VERy early grades who cannot yet read
well (or for certain adult Alexandria boobs who still cannot read
competently).

> (So where did you learn to spell?)

I learned to read and to spell VERy early in elementary school, Art,
as most reasonably intelligent children do. It's a pity that George
Mason Elementary was unable to develop competence in either pursuit in
your case.

What's the answer, Art? Are you a dumb-PT partisan? (It has always
seemed to me that the more appropriate abbREViation in the case of
adherents of the Prince Tudor "theory" is "DT" rather than "PT".)

> Ask another.

> Lea wrote: <<*What* "fall", Art?!>>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/nakjqyj
>
> Martin was sharp as a tack until the VERy end.
>
> As Sharp as Zerna?

Sharper.

> > | Art Neuendorffer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:
> > | > --------------------------------------------------------
> > | > (The King James & only the King James version):
> > | > Psalm 46
> > | > "SHAKE" is the 46th word from the beginning,
> > | > and "SPEAR" is the 46th word from the end.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> David L. Webb <David.L.W...@Dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> > | I've already pointed out to you that this is false, Art,
> > | as Martin Gardner, has pointed out;

[...]
I have already -- long ago, in fact -- acknowledged that I was wrong
about this, Art, and that Martin's source was incorrect; moreoVER, I
have neVER repeated the error.

You, by contrast, have been told countless times that "The Idiot Boy"
was written by Wordsworth (not Coleridge), but you keep *repeating* the
*same moronic misattribution* oVER and oVER and oVER, *years* after it
had *already* been conclusively refuted! Similarly, I told you that
_taerin_ was not Russian for "youth" (indeed, it is quite obviously not
a Russian word *at all*!), yet you *repeated* the same idiocy *after* it
had been conclusively refuted. In the same vein, I proved conclusively
that neither Mary Wollstonecraft nor Prince Albert was born on May 26
(nor did the Spanish Inquisition begin on that date either, for that
matter), yet you kept *repeating* the *VERy same idiocies* concerning
May 26 *long after* they had been conclusively refuted! There are, of
course, many other examples as well.

In view of this illustrious track record, it is little wonder that
both George Mason Elementary and Lehigh gave up on you as ineducable.

> >> Lea wrote:
> >>
> >> <<MoreoVER, you can VERy easily consult a facsimile
> >> of the Quarto edition of _Othello_, where you will find:
> >>
> >> "Knauerie's plaine face is neuer seene, till vs'd."
> >>
> >> Similarly, if you consult a First Folio facsimile
> >> you will find:
> >>
> >> "Knauveries [sic] plaine face, is neuer seene, till vs'd.">>
> >> ...........................................................

> > Neufer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:
> >>
> >> Someone should probably have found a better spelter then.

> > Lea wrote:
> >
> > <<Obviously George Mason Elementary neVER taught spelling
> > to its "obediant [sic]" students either.>>

> > There was no more "obediant [sic]" GME student than myself.
>
> Neufer wrote:
> >
> >...nor was there eVER a worse reader or speller at GME, apparently.

No, Art; you *didn't* write that. I did.

Your moronic misattributions are of course abundant and comic, but I
can't recall your eVER having misattributed your interlocutor's words to
yourself! (That's the sort of thing that Elizabeth Weird does, except
in REVerse: she misattributes her own words to her interlocutors.) But
perhaps your misattribution is understandable if it was prompted by your
agreement that there was neVER a worse reader or speller at GME.

> <<How could anyone who (1) is conVERsant with English and
> (2) reads competently *possibly* think that the clause
> "knavery's plain face is never seen tin [sic] used"
> makes any sense in English?!>>
> --------------------------------------------------
> But *YOU* just wrote:
> >
> > if you consult a First Folio facsimile you will find:
> >
> > "Knauveries [sic] plaine face, is neuer seene, till vs'd.">>

That's right, Art -- and anyone who reads English competently should
be able to discern its meaning, despite the antiquated orthography. On
the other hand, "KnaVERy's plain face is neVER seen tin [sic] used"
makes no sense whateVER in English, and certainly does *not* qualify as
an instance of Shakespeare's having mentioned Oxford's favorite
preoccupation (besides boys' behinds), tin. This fact is readily
apparent to anyone who knows English and can read; it is a pity that
George Mason Elementary was unsuccessful in teaching you either English
or reading.

> Neufer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:
> >
> > [PEWTER] 34 : Prob. in Sonnets ~ 1 in 9

> >> Lea wrote: <<Probability 1 in 9?!
> >>
> >> That's ludicrously and pathetically unimpressive, Art.>>
> >> .......................................................

> Neufer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:
> >
> > Do you spend much time oVER [sic] Baker Berry, Dave?

> Lea wrote:
> >
> <<Is English your native tongue, Art? Spending much time oVER
> Baker-Berry would be rather difficult, since the roof is not
> accessible to anyone except the custodial staff, and the tower
> is only open at a few specific times. One might, I suppose,
> have recourse to a helicopter, but there would be little point.>>

> The Grand Master could always send all his horses
> and all the his men in case you were to fall.

Because Oxfordians send all their horses' hindquarters and all their
men to try to precipitate such a fall?

> Neufer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:
> >
> > (EVER done any Baker Berry PR2947 defenestrating, Dave?)

> Lea wrote:
> >
> <<Of course not, Art. If I had, then the titles
> in your bibliography below would not remain in the collection.>>

> Better late than nEVER.

If you're suggesting that the nutcase anti-Stratfordian volumes in
the library's collection desERVE defenestration, then I quite agree, Art
-- they are utterly worthless except as comic examples of ineptness.
HoweVER, I do not possess the anti-social and destructive tendencies
that lead you to participate in the defenestration of pianos and the
like.

> Lea wrote:
> >
> <<Incidentally, Art, you seem to have oVERlooked the fact that the
> nutcase volumes on Shakespeare authorship are not limited to the PR2947
> Library of Congress classification. Indeed, most of the older works of
> crank anti-Stratfordian pseudoscholarship are shelved elsewhere, under
> the older Dewey Decimal classification 824. For example, the elder
> Ogburns' _This star of England: "William Shake-speare," man of the
> Renaissance_ is shelved under the call number 824 Sh IO42. Similarly,
> the call number of Orville W. Owen's _Sir Francis Bacon's cipher story_
> is 824 Sh IO7 v.1-3.

> So what was wrong with
> 822.33A (English Literature, Shakespearean Authorship)?

You mean, apart from the fact that the Shakespeare authorship
"question" is as bogus as alien abductions, Art? I suspect that there
is some library classification for that subject as well.

[Nutcase bibliography snipped]

> Neufer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:
> >
> > Baker Berry bought some Bacon;
>
> Lea wrote:
> >
> <<You're wrong again, Art. Almost all the anti-Stratfordian lunacy was
> acquired by *Baker* Library, long before the Berry part of the library
> was built; indeed, the latter was only completed in 2002.>>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ROwVrF0Ceg

That's the wrong Berry, Art. But don't feel too bad, Art -- this
sort of confusion (Mary Tudor and Mary Stewart, Anthony Powell and Enoch
Powell, Katherine Vere and Mary Vere, Frederick Boas and Franz Boas,
Anne Hathaway and Mary Arden, Peter J. Gay and Peter A. Gay, etc.) is
quite common among both illiterates and anti-Stratfordians -- not that
the two groups don't oVERlap quite a bit.

> Lea wrote:
> >
> <<In fact, since Benezet's retirement, I doubt that the library has
> acquired VERy many works of nutcase pseudoscholarship -- at least not
> intentionally. The library's expert subject bibliographers are looking
> for works of *serious scholarship* written by experts, not unintended
> farces written by comic crackpots, so it is quite natural that
> comparatively few anti-Stratfordian works would be acquired. For
> example, Mr. Streitz's _Oxford: Son of Queen Elizabeth I_ is not
> in the collection (a great pity -- but the library doesn't have
> a section devoted to the unintended comedy of incompetence).
>
> Nor is Mark Anderson's _Shakespeare By Another Name: A Biography
> Of Edward De Vere, Earl Of Oxford, The Man Who Was Shakespeare_.
>
> You're forgetting about PR2947:
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> http://tinyurl.com/nf8zsn3
>
> . PR2947.O9 A73 2005 : Anderson, Mark, "Shakespeare" by another name : the
> life of Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford, the man who was Shakespea Baker
> Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c2005

Thank you, Art; I shall have to check it out -- judging by the
REViews, its comedic potential is considerable.

> . PR2947.O9 B36 2010 : Beauclerk, Charles. Shakespeare's lost kingdom : the
> true history of Shakespeare and Elizabeth / Charles Beauclerk. Baker
> Berry:DUE 03-30-15 . TEXT . c2010

That's a nutcase source, Art, although it is quite funny.

> . PR2947.O9 C63 : Clark, Eva Turner, Hidden allusions in Shakespeare's
> plays; a study of the Oxford theory based on the records of early c Baker
> Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c1931

That is, of course, a classic nutcase source. Since Benezet did not
retire until 1948, this book is probably not an acquisition since his
retirement.

> . PR2947.O9 F37 2006 : Farina, William, De Vere as Shakespeare : an
> Oxfordian reading of the canon / William Farina ; foreword by Felicia Har
> Baker Berry:DUE 03-30-15 . TEXT . c2006

That's a more modern nutcase work.

> . PR2947.O9 F68 1986 : Fowler, William Plumer. Shakespeare revealed in
> Oxford's letters : the pre-Armada letters, 1563-1585, and the post-Armada
> let Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1986

That's a nutcase source as well, of course.

> . PR2947.O9 N45 2003 : Nelson, Alan H. Monstrous adversary : the life of
> Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford / Alan H. Nelson. Baker Berry:DUE
> 03-30-15 . TEXT . 2003

That's the *only* book on your list that is not a nutcase source,
Art; indeed, it was written by a distinguished scholar.

> . PR2947.O9 O515 1984 : Ogburn, Charlton, The mysterious William
> Shakespeare : the myth and the reality / Charlton Ogburn Baker
> Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c1984
>
> . PR2947.O9 O515 1992 : Ogburn, Charlton, The mysterious William
> Shakespeare : the myth & the reality / Charlton Ogburn Baker Berry:AVAILABLE
> . TEXT . c1992

That, too, is a more modern work of nutcase pseudoscholarship.

Your list proves my point, Art -- comparatively few anti-Stratfordian
crackpot books have been acquired since Benezet's retirement, which was
66 years ago.

> Lea wrote:
>
> <<Incidentally, Art, when are you going to write *your* book? When you
> do, I promise you that I will request that the library procure a copy!>>

> That is Berry thoughtful of you.
>
> (But surely you are aware that the Grand Master
> would be happy to pay for your own copy.)

Your Petulant Paranoid persona is always amusing, Art!

> Neufer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:
> >
> > "But," said he, "this Bacon's bitter!
> > If I put it in my B.S.
> > It will make my B.S. bitter.
> > But a bit o' better butter
> > *WILL* but make my B.S. better."

> Lea wrote:
> >
> <<Adding anti-Stratfordian crankery to the mix
> could only make B.S. better, Art>>
>
> Agreed.

Then you *agree* that anti-Stratfordian crankery is B.S., Art?
Gracefully conceded!

> Neufer (aka Noonedafter) wrote:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/nf8zsn3

> Lea wrote:
> >
> <<As I already noted, Art,
> you're missing a substantial portion of the crackpot collection!>>

> Besides many orthodox Shakespeare bio's [sic]

Is English your native tongue, Art?

> I own:
> ........................................................
> . PR2947.O9 N45 2003 : Nelson, Alan H. Monstrous adversary : the life of
> Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford / Alan H. Nelson. Baker Berry:DUE
> 03-30-15 . TEXT . 2003

That book has nothing whateVER to do with Shakespeare, Art.

> . PR2937 .S47 2010 : Shapiro, James, Contested Will : who wrote
> Shakespeare? / James Shapiro. Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 2010

> . PR2939 .M36 1994 : Matus, Irvin Leigh. Shakespeare, in fact / Irvin Leigh
> Matus Ba

The last three books desERVE your careful attention, Art.

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Art Neuendorffer

Arthur Neuendorffer

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>>> Lea wrote:
>>>
>>> "Knauveries [sic] plaine face, is neuer seene, till vs'd.">>
>>> ...........................................................

>> Neufer wrote:
>>>
>>> Someone should probably have found a better spelter then.

>> Lea wrote:
>>
>> <<Obviously George Mason Elementary neVER taught spelling
>> to its "obediant [sic]" students either.>>

> Neufer wrote:
>>
>> There was no more "obediant [sic]" GME student than myself.

>> Lea wrote:
>>
>><<...nor was there eVER a worse reader or speller at GME, apparently.>>

I wasn't the one to write:

<<"Knauveries [sic] plaine face, is neuer seene, till vs'd.">>

> Lea wrote:
>>
> <<How could anyone who (1) is conVERsant with English and
> (2) reads competently *possibly* think that the clause
> "knavery's plain face is never seen tin [sic] used"
> makes any sense in English?!>>
> --------------------------------------------------
> But *YOU* just wrote:
>>
>> if you consult a First Folio facsimile you will find:
>>
>> "Knauveries [sic] plaine face, is neuer seene, till vs'd.">>

Lea wrote:

<<That's right, Art -- and anyone who reads English competently should
be able to discern its meaning, despite the antiquated orthography.>>

"Knauveries" is *your* antiquated orthography, Dave.

> Neufer wrote:
>>
>> Do you spend much time oVER [sic] Baker Berry, Dave?

> Lea wrote:
>>
> <<Is English your native tongue, Art? Spending much time oVER
> Baker-Berry would be rather difficult, since the roof is not
> accessible to anyone except the custodial staff, and the tower
> is only open at a few specific times. One might, I suppose,
> have recourse to a helicopter, but there would be little point.>>

Neufer wrote:
>
> The Grand Master could always send all his horses
> and all the his men in case you were to fall.

Lea wrote:

<<Because Oxfordians send all their horses' hindquarters
and all their men to try to precipitate such a fall?>>

> Neufer wrote:
>>
>> (EVER done any Baker Berry PR2947 defenestrating, Dave?)

> Lea wrote:
>>
> <<Of course not, Art. If I had, then the titles
> in your bibliography below would not remain in the collection.>>

Neufer wrote: Better late than nEVER.

Lea wrote:

<<If you're suggesting that the nutcase anti-Stratfordian volumes in
the library's collection desERVE defenestration, then I quite agree, Art
-- they are utterly worthless except as comic examples of ineptness.
HoweVER, I do not possess the anti-social and destructive tendencies
that lead you to participate in the defenestration of pianos and the
like.>>

It was a mercy defenestration.

> Lea wrote:
>>
> <<Incidentally, Art, you seem to have oVERlooked the fact that the
> nutcase volumes on Shakespeare authorship are not limited to the PR2947
> Library of Congress classification. Indeed, most of the older works of
> crank anti-Stratfordian pseudoscholarship are shelved elsewhere, under
> the older Dewey Decimal classification 824. For example, the elder
> Ogburns' _This star of England: "William Shake-speare," man of the
> Renaissance_ is shelved under the call number 824 Sh IO42. Similarly,
> the call number of Orville W. Owen's _Sir Francis Bacon's cipher story_
> is 824 Sh IO7 v.1-3.

Neufer wrote:
>
> So what was wrong with
> 822.33A (English Literature, Shakespearean Authorship)?

Lea wrote:

<<I suspect that there is some library classification for that subject as well.>>

I suspect not.

824 Sh IW : Wadsworth, Frank W, The poacher from Stratford; a partial account of the controversy over the authorship of Shakespeare's Baker Berry:AVAILABLE ker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1994
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> Neufer wrote:
>>
>> Baker Berry bought some Bacon;
>
> Lea wrote:
>>
> <<You're wrong again, Art. Almost all the anti-Stratfordian lunacy was
> acquired by *Baker* Library, long before the Berry part of the library
> was built; indeed, the latter was only completed in 2002.>>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ROwVrF0Ceg

Lea wrote: <<That's the wrong Berry, Art.>>

Ah, Chucks!

> Lea wrote:
>>
> <<In fact, since Benezet's retirement, I doubt that the library has
> acquired VERy many works of nutcase pseudoscholarship -- at least not
> intentionally. The library's expert subject bibliographers are looking
> for works of *serious scholarship* written by experts, not unintended
> farces written by comic crackpots, so it is quite natural that
> comparatively few anti-Stratfordian works would be acquired. For
> example, Mr. Streitz's _Oxford: Son of Queen Elizabeth I_ is not
> in the collection (a great pity -- but the library doesn't have
> a section devoted to the unintended comedy of incompetence).
>
> Nor is Mark Anderson's _Shakespeare By Another Name: A Biography
> Of Edward De Vere, Earl Of Oxford, The Man Who Was Shakespeare_.
>
> You're forgetting about PR2947:
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> http://tinyurl.com/nf8zsn3
>
> . PR2947.O9 A73 2005 : Anderson, Mark, "Shakespeare" by another name : the
> life of Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford, the man who was Shakespea Baker
> Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c2005

Lea wrote: <<Thank you, Art; I shall have to check it out.>>

What does the Grand Master pay you for??

> . PR2947.O9 B36 2010 : Beauclerk, Charles. Shakespeare's lost kingdom : the
> true history of Shakespeare and Elizabeth / Charles Beauclerk. Baker
> Berry:DUE 03-30-15 . TEXT . c2010

> . PR2947.O9 C63 : Clark, Eva Turner, Hidden allusions in Shakespeare's
> plays; a study of the Oxford theory based on the records of early c Baker
> Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . c1931

Lea wrote:

<<Since Benezet did not retire until 1948, this book is probably
not an acquisition since his retirement.>>

A Turner Classic!

> . PR2947.O9 F37 2006 : Farina, William, De Vere as Shakespeare : an
> Oxfordian reading of the canon / William Farina ; foreword by Felicia Har
> Baker Berry:DUE 03-30-15 . TEXT . c2006
>

> . PR2947.O9 F68 1986 : Fowler, William Plumer. Shakespeare revealed in
> Oxford's letters : the pre-Armada letters, 1563-1585, and the post-Armada
> let Baker Berry:AVAILABLE . TEXT . 1986
>

> . PR2947.O9 N45 2003 : Nelson, Alan H. Monstrous adversary : the life of
> Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford / Alan H. Nelson. Baker Berry:DUE
> 03-30-15 . TEXT . 2003

Lea wrote:

<<That's the *only* book on your list that is not a nutcase source,
Art; indeed, it was written by a distinguished scholar.>>

Nelson is a disgustingly stinguished scholar.

Lea wrote:

<<Your list proves my point, Art -- comparatively
few anti-Stratfordian crackpot books have been acquired
since Benezet's retirement, which was 66 years ago.>>

Comparatived with Stratfordian crackpot books there
are comparatively few anti-Stratfordian crackpot books.

Lea wrote:

<<Your Petulant Paranoid persona is always amusing, Art!>>

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalia_%28Muse%29

<<Thalia (Θάλεια, Θαλία; "the joyous, the flourishing", from Ancient Greek: θάλλειν, thállein; "to flourish, to be *VERDant*") was the Muse who presided over comedy and idyllic poetry. In this context her name means "flourishing", because the praises in her songs flourish through time. She was portrayed as a young woman with a joyous air, crowned with ivy, wearing boots and holding a comic mask in her hand. Many of her statues also hold a bugle and a trumpet (both used to support the actors' voices in ancient comedy), or occasionally a shepherd’s staff or a wreath of ivy.>>
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> Neufer wrote:
>>
>> "But," said he, "this Bacon's bitter!
>> If I put it in my B.S.
>> It will make my B.S. bitter.
>> But a bit o' better butter
>> *WILL* but make my B.S. better."

> Lea wrote:
>>
> <<Adding anti-Stratfordian crankery to the mix
> could only make B.S. better, Art>>
>
> Agreed.

Lea wrote:

<<Then you *agree* that anti-Stratfordian crankery is B.S., Art?>>

Stratfordian crankery is B(ill) S(haksper).

> Neufer wrote:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/nf8zsn3

> Lea wrote:
>>
> <<As I already noted, Art,
> you're missing a substantial portion of the crackpot collection!>>

> Besides the many orthodox Shakespeare bio's I own:

> ........................................................
> . PR2947.O9 N45 2003 : Nelson, Alan H. Monstrous adversary : the life of
> Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford / Alan H. Nelson. Baker Berry:DUE
> 03-30-15 . TEXT . 2003

Lea wrote:

<<That book has nothing whateVER to do with Shakespeare, Art.>>

Then why is it designated PR2947.O9 ?

Lea wrote:

<<The last three books desERVE your careful attention, Art.

Nelson, Shapiro, & Matus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYwVRVIdeW8
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Art Neuendorffer

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