MIchael Drayton - family tree - de Vere ancestry
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Michael Drayton
Birth: 1563 Place:
Death: 1631 Place:
Burial: Place: Poets' Corner, Westminster Abby
Father: John Drayton
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John Drayton
Death: 1599 Place:
Father: John Drayton
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m. Katherine
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John Drayton
Birth: Place: of Atherstone, Warwickshire, England
Death: 1555 Place:
Father: Peter Drayton
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m. Margery
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Peter Drayton
Birth: Place: of Atherstone, Warwickshire, England
Birth: 1500 Place:
Death: 1578 Place:
Father: John Drayton
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John Drayton
Birth: Place: of Atherstone, Warwickshire, England
Death: 1499 Place:
Father: Richard de Drayton
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Richard de Drayton
Birth: 1425 Place:
Death: 1468 Place:
Father: William de Drayton
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William de Drayton
Father: John de Drayton
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m. Grace
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John de Drayton
Father: John de Drayton
Mother: Ann Cranford
m. Margaret
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John de Drayton
Death: 1415 Place:
Father: John de Drayton
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m. Ann Cranford
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John de Drayton
Death: 1425 Place:
Father: Baldwin , Sir de Drayton
Mother: Alice de Prayers
m. Margaret
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Baldwin , Sir de Drayton
Death: 1399 Place:
Father: John de Drayton
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m. Alice de Prayers
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John de Drayton
Father: Simon de Drayton
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Simon de Drayton
Death: 1357 Place:
Father: John , Sir de Drayton
Mother: Philipa de Arderne
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John , Sir de Drayton
Birth: 1253 Place: Drayton, Northamptonshire, England
Death: 1292 Place:
Father: Baldwin , Sir de Drayton
Mother: Idonea de Grimiges
m. Philipa de Arderne
Marriage: abt 1309
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Baldwin , Sir de Drayton
Birth: Place: England
Death: 1277 Place:
Father: Henry , Sir de Drayton
Mother: Ivetta de Bourbon
m. Idonea de Grimiges
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Henry , Sir de Drayton
Birth: Place:
Death: 1249 Place:
Father: Walter , Sir of Drayton de Vere
Mother: Lucia Basset
m. Ivetta de Bourbon
Marriage: abt 1264
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Walter , Sir of Drayton de Vere
Birth: Place:
Death: 1210 Place:
Father: Henry , Sir, Constable of Gysors de Vere
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m. Lucia Basset
Marriage: abt 1229
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Henry , Sir, Constable of Gysors de Vere
Birth: abt 1150 Place:
Death: Place:
Father: Robert , Sir, Lord of the Manor of Twiwel de Vere
Mother: Matilda de Turnell
m. Hildeberga
Marriage: abt 1199
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Robert , Sir, Lord of the Manor of Twiwel de Vere
Birth: abt 1112 Place:
Death: 1194 Place:
Father: Aubrey , II, Lord Chief Justice de Vere
Mother: Aldeliza de Clare
m. Matilda de Turnell
Marriage: abt 1149 Place:
m. also Margaret De Clare
Marriage: 1176 Place:
Census: 1142
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Aubrey , II, Lord Chief Justice de Vere
Birth: 1090 Place: Hedingham, Essex, England
Death: 15 May 1140 Place: London, Middlesex, England
Burial: 1140 Place: Colne Priory, Essex, England
Father: Aubrey (Alberic) , I, Chamberlain de Vere
Mother: Beatrix de Ghisnes
m. Aldeliza de Clare
Marriage: abt 1098
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Aubrey (Alberic) , I, Chamberlain de Vere
Sex: M
Event(s):
Birth: 1040 Place: NORMANDY, FRANCE
Death: 1088 Place: Colne Priory, Essex, England
Father: Alphonso , Count of De Ghisnes de Vere
Mother: Kathrine of Flanders
m. Beatrix de Ghisnes
Marriage: abt 1061
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Alphonso , Count of De Ghisnes de Vere
Birth: abt 1000 Place: Ver, near Bayeux, France
m. Kathrine of Flanders
Marriage: abt 1029
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Michael Drayton
>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Michael Drayton (1563 - December 23, 1631)
was an English poet who came to prominence in the Elizabethan era.
[edit] Early life
He was born at Hartshill, near Atherstone, Warwickshire.
Even in childhood he showed some poetic ambition. At the age of ten he
found a position as a pageboy, and a little later he is thought to have
studied at the University of Oxford.
Sir Henry Goodere of Powlesworth became his patron, and introduced him
to the Countess of Bedford. Drayton fell in love with Goodere's
daughter, and this may have inspired some of his love poetry.
For several years Drayton was esquire to Sir Walter Aston. Nothing else
is known about his youth
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In 1597 appeared England's Heroical Epistles, a series of historical
studies, in imitation of those of Ovid.
These last poems, written in the heroic couplet, contain some of the
finest passages in Drayton's writings.
By 1597, the poet was resting on his laurels. It seems that he was much
favoured at the court of Elizabeth
Friendships
Drayton was a friend of some of the most famous men of the age.
He corresponded familiarly with Drummond; Ben Jonson, William Browne,
George Wither and others were among his friends.
There is a tradition that he was a friend of Shakespeare, supported by
a statement of John Ward, once vicar of Stratford-on-Avon, that
"Shakespear, Drayton and Ben Jonson had a merry meeting, and it seems,
drank too hard, for Shakespear died of a feavour there contracted."
In one of his poems, an elegy or epistle to Mr Henry Reynolds, he has
left some valuable criticisms on poets whom he had known.
That he was a restless and discontented, as well as a worthy, man may
be gathered from his own admissions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Drayton
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III. ADDINGTON LINE
Robert De VERE of Addington and Drayton
Acceded: 1142
Notes: The Complete Peerage vol.X, Appendix J, p.113.
Father: Aubrey De VERE ( Justiciar of England)
Mother: Alice De CLARE
Married: Margaret De CLARE 1176
Children:
1. Henry De VERE
2. William De VERE
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http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/VERE.htm#Robert%20De%20VERE%20of%20Addington%20and%20Drayton
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Matilda de Turnell
Father: Robert de Turnell
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m. Robert , Sir, Lord of the Manor of Twiwel de Vere
Marriage: abt 1149
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Lucia Basset
Father: Gilbert , of Welden Basset
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m. Walter , Sir of Drayton de Vere
Marriage: abt 1229
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Ivetta de Bourbon
Father: William Bourbon
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m. Henry , Sir de Drayton
Marriage: abt 1264
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Idonea de Grimiges
Father: Robert de Grimiges
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m. Baldwin , Sir de Drayton
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Philipa de Arderne
Father: Ralph de Arderne
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m. John , Sir de Drayton
Marriage: abt 1309
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Ralph de Arderne
Birth: Place: of Arderne, England
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Alice de Prayers
Father: Henry de Prayers
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m. Baldwin , Sir de Drayton
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Coat of Arms
Early English History & The Drayton Family Origins
1066 - 1650
The Drayton Family,
of Norman Aristocracy,
made its debut in English history when Aubrey de Vere, later Great
Chamberlin to King Henry I, landed in England with William the
conqueror.
For his distinguished service against the Saxons in the Battle of
Hastings, he was awarded an ancient Saxon Stronghold in Northampton,
which is still known and admired as Drayton House.
Since 1066, Drayton House has been the residence of descendants of
Aubrey de Vere, including Earls of Oxford, Lords Mordaunt, Earls of
Peterborough, Dukes of Dorset, Earls of Wiltshire, and finally, Lord
Sackville.
In the early 13th century, Sir Walter de Vere dropped the family name
of "de Vere" and assumed the Saxon name of his castle,
"Drayton".
Over the past 900 years, members of the Drayton family spread from
Drayton House throughout England.
Though related to the privileged Draytons who helped form today's
Europe, the father and son who eventually came to Magnolia were simple
people seeking a better start in the New World.
http://www.magnoliaplantation.com/his_english.html
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lyra
On Jan 8, 6:53 pm, "lyra" <mountain_qu...@RockAthens.com> wrote:
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> Philipa de Arderne
>
> Father: Ralph de Arderne
>
> .......................
>
> m. John , Sir de Drayton
>
> Marriage: abt 1309
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I think there is a mistake here, as there are
two "Phillipppa de Arderne"s, it seems,
and the one married in 1309 is the daughter of
ROBERT de Arderne -
____________________
anyway, it is a marriage of
the Drayton/de Veres
with an Arden,
___________________
as that is the same name as Arderne.
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Philippa de Arderne
1258 -
Birth Abt 1258
Father Robert de Arderne, b. Abt 1290, Of
Drayton,Oxfordshire,England
Mother Nichola Bardolfe, b. Abt 1294
Family John de Drayton, b. 1254, of Drayton
Children
> 1. Katherine de Drayton, b. Abt 1314, of Broughton, Dorset,
England
> 2. Simon de Drayton, b. Abt 1284
Notes
o M E Sorley: The Sorley Pedigrees p 37
The Visitation of Warwickshire P. 179 (See also footnote)
Their seems to be some confusion as to phillipa's parents
The Sorley pedigrees indicates Robert de
Arderne of Preston as her father (no mother listed).
Baker: History of Northamptonshire states
that Robert de Arden (presumed brother of Thomas Arden of
Hanwell) granted to John son of Sir
Baldwin Drayton, in free marriage with Phillippa his
daughter, all his land in Wappenham which
had descended to him from Alice his mother (Alice de
Beauchamp).
The Robert of Preston has been
Linked with Robertus Arden de Drayton who married Nichola
Bardolfe whose pedigree continues
back on a different line than that shown in The Sorley
Pedigrees.
http://www.penrose.org/getperson.php?personID=I11718&tree=penrose
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Philippa DE ARDERNE (1338 - ____)
* BIRTH: 1338
_Ralph DE
ARDERNE _________________________+
_Thomas DE ARDERNE ______________|
| |_Amabel DE
GLANVILLE ______________________+
_Ralph DE ARDERNE ____|
| | _Hugh
FitzHugh DE SAY _____________________+
| |_Lucia DE SAY ___________________|
| |_Lucy DE
CLIFFORD _________________________+
|
|--Philippa DE ARDERNE
|
| _Robert III
Of Hache DE BEAUCHAMP _________+
| _Robert V Of Hache DE BEAUCHAMP _|
| | |_Juliana
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|_Alicia DE BEAUCHAMP _|
| _Reynold II
Of Dunster, Somerset DE MOHUN _+
|_Alice DE MOHUN _________________|
|_Hawise Of
Steatley FITZPIERS _____________+
Family 1 : John DRAYTON SIMON
1. +Katherine DRAYTON
http://www.gbnf.com/genealog3/mcgowan/html/d0444/I18730.HTM
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lyra
>
> On Jan 8, 6:53 pm, "lyra" <mountain_qu...@RockAthens.com> wrote:
>
> __________________________________________
>
> > Philipa de Arderne
> >
> > Father: Ralph de Arderne
> >
> > .......................
> >
> > m. John , Sir de Drayton
> >
> > Marriage: abt 1309
>
> ___________________________________________
>
> I think there is a mistake here, as there are
>
> two "Phillipppa de Arderne"s, it seems,
>
> and the one married in 1309 is the daughter of
>
> ROBERT de Arderne -
>
> ____________________
>
> anyway, it is a marriage of
>
> the Drayton/de Veres
>
> with an Arden,
>
> ___________________
>
> as that is the same name as Arderne.
>
> .............................................................................
I've discovered the RIGHT
Philippa De (Arden) Arderne,
.
as neither of the earlier two -
.
instead, she is born in 1302.
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I've ALSO discovered -
King of Sweden,
Harald Bluetooth, King of Denmark,
Duke of Normandy,
Princess of Brittany
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Philippa De Arderne
Birth: 1302 Place: Preston, Sussex, England
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Robert De Arderne
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m. John De Drayton
Marriage: Place:
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Robert De Arderne
Birth: 1274 Place: Preston, Sussex, England
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Ralph De Arderne
Mother: Alice De Beauchamp
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Ralph De Arderne
Birth: 1248 Place: Preston, Sussex, England
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Thomas De Arderne
Mother: Lucia De Say
m. Alice De Beauchamp
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Thomas De Arderne
Birth: 1223 Place: Preston, Sussex, England
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Ralph De Arderne
Mother: Amabel De Glanville
m. Lucia De Say
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Ralph De Arderne
Birth: 1198 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Thomas De Arderne
Mother: Ellen De Bohun
m. Amabel De Glanville
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Thomas De Arderne
Birth: 1170 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
m. Ellen De Bohun
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Ellen De Bohun
Birth: 1178 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Savaric Fitz-Cana De Beaumont
Mother: Muriel De Bohun
m. Thomas De Arderne
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Savaric Fitz-Cana De Beaumont
Birth: 1152 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Raoul IV De Beaumont
Mother: Cana De Chaumont
m. Muriel De Bohun
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Raoul IV De Beaumont
Birth: 1026 Place:
Death: 1062 Place:
Father: Raoul III De Beaumont
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m. Cana De Chaumont
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Raoul III De Beaumont
Birth: 1002 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Hubert I Vicomte Du Mans
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Hubert I Vicomte Du Mans
Birth: 0978 Place: Mayenne, France
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Raoul De Beaumont
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Raoul De Beaumont
Birth: 0950 Place: Mayenne, France
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
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Cana De Chaumont
Birth: 1134 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
m. Raoul IV De Beaumont
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Muriel De Bohun
Birth: 1158 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Richard De Bohun
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m. Savaric Fitz-Cana De Beaumont
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Richard De Bohun
Birth: 1123 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Humphrey De Bohun II
Mother: Margaret de Pitres
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Humphrey De Bohun II
Birth: 1080 Place:
Death: 1179 Place:
Father: Humphrey De Bohun
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m. Margaret de Pitres
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Humphrey De Bohun
Birth: 1054 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Henry De Bohun
Mother: Margaret De Eu
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Henry De Bohun
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
m. Margaret De Eu
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Margaret De Eu
Birth: 1032 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: William Poincius Duke of Normandy
Mother: Alice Lesseline De Harcourt
m. Henry De Bohun
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William Poincius Duke of Normandy
Birth: 0993 Place: Normandy, France
Death: 26 Jan 1057/58 Place:
Father: Richard II "The Good" Duke of Normandy
Mother: Judith Princess of Brittany
m. Alice Lesseline De Harcourt
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Richard II "The Good" Duke of Normandy
Birth: 0963 Place: Normandy, France
Death: 28 Aug 1026 Place: Fecamp, Seine Inferieure, France
Father: Richard I The Fearless III Duke of Normandy
Mother: Gunhild Haraldsdottir of Denmark
m. Judith Princess of Brittany
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Gunhild Haraldsdottir of Denmark
Birth: 0942 Place:
Death: 13 Nov 1002 Place:
Father: Harald Bluetooth Gormsson II King of Denmark
Mother: Gyrithe Olafsson
m. Richard I The Fearless III Duke of Normandy
Marriage: Place:
m. also Jarl Palig Ealdorman in Devon
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Gyrithe Olafsson
Birth: 0919 Place:
Death: 1000 Place:
Father: Olaf Bjornsson King of Sweden
Mother: Ingeborg Thrandsson
m. Harald Bluetooth Gormsson II King of Denmark
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Olaf Bjornsson King of Sweden
Birth: 0900 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Bjorn Ericsson the Old King of Sweden
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m. Ingeborg Thrandsson
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Bjorn Ericsson the Old King of Sweden
Death: 0950 Place:
Father: Eric Emundsson King of Sweden and Goten
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lyra
lyra wrote:
>
> I've discovered the RIGHT
>
> Philippa De (Arden) Arderne,
>
> .
>
> as neither of the earlier two -
>
> .
>
> instead, she is born in 1302.
>
> .....................................................................
>
> I've ALSO discovered -
>
> King of Sweden,
>
> Harald Bluetooth, King of Denmark,
>
> Duke of Normandy,
>
> Princess of Brittany
>
> .................................................................................
> .................................................................................
Judith Princess of Brittany
Birth: 0966 Place: Brittany, France
Death: 1017 Place: Normandy, France
Father: Conan Le Tort I Duke of Bretagne
Mother: Ermengarde D'Anjou
m. Richard II "The Good" Duke of Normandy
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Ermengarde D'Anjou
Birth: 0952 Place: Anjou, France
Death: 27 Jun 0992 Place: Brittany, France
Father: Geoffrey I Count of Anjou
Mother: Adelaide De Vermandois
m. Conan Le Tort I Duke of Bretagne
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Geoffrey I Count of Anjou
Birth: 0946 Place:
Death: 21 Jul 0987 Place:
Father: Fulk II Count of Anjou
Mother: Gerberge Du Maine
m. Adelaide De Vermandois
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Alice Lesseline De Harcourt
Birth: 1012 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Turchetil De Harcourt
Mother: Adeline De Montfort
m. William Poincius Duke of Normandy
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Turchetil De Harcourt
Birth: 0968 Place:
Birth: 0976 Place: Normandy, France
Death: 1036 Place:
Father: Torfe De Harcourt
Mother: Ertemberge De Brioquibec
m. Adeline De Montfort
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Torfe De Harcourt
Birth: 0928 Place:
Birth: 0933 Place: Normandy, France
Death: 1002 Place:
Father: Bernard De Harcourt
Mother: Sprote Bourgoyne
m. Ertemberge De Brioquibec
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Ertemberge De Brioquibec
Birth: 0948 Place: Normandy, France
Death: 1003 Place:
Father: Lancelot De Brioquibec
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m. Torfe De Harcourt
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Lancelot De Brioquibec
Birth: 0909 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Hugh Barbatus
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Hugh Barbatus
Birth: 0887 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Turstan De Bastenburg
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Turstan De Bastenburg
Birth: 0865 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Eystein Ivarsson Glumra Jarl of the Uplands
Mother: Ascrida Ragnvaldsdottir
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Adeline De Montfort
Birth: 0993 Place: Normandy, France
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Toussaint De Bertrand De Bastembourg
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m. Turchetil De Harcourt
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Toussaint De Bertrand De Bastembourg
Birth: 0962 Place: Normandy, France
Birth: 0962 Place: Montfort, Sur Risle, France
Death: 1023 Place:
Father: Anslec De Bertrand Seigneur De Briquebec
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Anslec De Bertrand Seigneur De Briquebec
Birth: 0936 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Lancelot De Brioquibec
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Margaret de Pitres
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Miles de Pitres III Earl of Hereford
Mother: Sybil of Neufmarche
m. Humphrey De Bohun II
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Miles de Pitres III Earl of Hereford
Birth: 1093 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
m. Sybil of Neufmarche
Sybil of Neufmarche
Birth: 1100 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN
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Amabel De Glanville
Birth: 1204 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Geoffrey De Glanville Lord of Bromholm
Mother: Margaret De La Haye
m. Ralph De Arderne
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Lucia De Say
Birth: 1229 Place: Clifford Castle, Clifford, Herefordshire,
England
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Hugh Fitz-Hugh De Say
Mother: Lucia De Clifford
m. Thomas De Arderne
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Hugh Fitz-Hugh De Say
Birth: 1200 Place: Richard's Castle, Worcestershire, England
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Hugh FitzOsbern
Mother: Eustachia De Say
m. Lucia De Clifford
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Hugh FitzOsbern
Birth: 1162 Place: Richard's Castle, Worcestershire, England
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Hugh FitzOsborn
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m. Eustachia De Say
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Hugh FitzOsborn
Birth: 1082 Place: Richard's Castle, Worcestershire, England
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Osborn FitzRichard
Mother: Nest Verch Gruffydd
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Osborn FitzRichard
Birth: 1055 Place: Herefordshire, England
Death: 1146 Place:
m. Nest Verch Gruffydd
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Nest Verch Gruffydd
Birth: 1048 Place: Wales
Birth: 1061 Place: Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales
Death: 1153 Place:
Father: Gruffydd LLewellyn King of Wales
Mother: Eldgyth Queen of England
m. Osborn FitzRichard
m. also Trahaearn Ap Caradog
Marriage: Place:
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Eldgyth Queen of England
Birth: 1024 Place:
Death: 1128 Place:
Father: Aelfgar Earl of Mercia
Mother: Aelfgifu Princess of England
m. Gruffydd LLewellyn King of Wales
Marriage: Place:
m. Harold II King of England
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Aelfgifu Princess of England
Birth: 1002 Place:
Birth: 1017 Place:
Death: 1098 Place:
Father: Aethelred II King of England
Mother: Aelfgifu of Northumbria
m. Aelfgar Earl of Mercia
Marriage: Place:
m. also Uchtred Earl of Northumbria
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Lucia De Clifford
Birth: 1212 Place: Clifford Castle, Clifford, Herefordshire,
England
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Walter De Clifford III Baron Clifford
Mother: Marared Drwyndon Verch Llywelyn Fawrof Wales
m. Hugh Fitz-Hugh De Say
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Marared Drwyndon Verch Llywelyn Fawr of Wales
Birth: 1195 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
m. Walter De Clifford III Baron Clifford
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Alice De Beauchamp
Birth: 1253 Place: Hatch, Somerset, England
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Robert De Beauchamp
Mother: Alice De Mohun
m. Ralph De Arderne
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Robert De Beauchamp
Birth: 1219 Place: Hatch, Somerset, England
Death: 1265 Place: Ryme, Dorset, England
Father: Robert De Beauchamp
Mother: Julia Anna Brett
m. Alice De Mohun
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Alice De Mohun
Birth: 1230 Place: Dunster, Somerset, England
Death: 1285 Place:
Father: Reginald de Mohun II Lord Mohun
Mother: Hawise FitzGeoffrey
m. Robert De Beauchamp
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Hawise FitzGeoffrey
Birth: 1210 Place:
Death: 1243 Place:
Father: Geoffrey Fitz Piers IV Earl of Essex
Mother: Aveline De Clare
m. Reginald de Mohun II Lord Mohun
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Aveline De Clare
Birth: 1170 Place: Clare, Suffolk, England
Birth: 1172 Place: Hereford, Herefordshire, England
Death: 1220 Place:
Death: 1225 Place:
Father: Richard De Clare VI Earl of Hertford
Mother: Amicia FitzRobert Countess de Gloucester
m. Geoffrey Fitz Piers IV Earl of Essex
Marriage: Place:
m. Warin De Munchensy
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Richard De Clare VI Earl of Hertford
Birth: 1150 Place: Clare, Suffolk, England
Death: 30 Dec 1218 Place:
Father: Roger De Clare III Earl Of Gloucester
Mother: Maud De Saint Hilary De Harcourt
m. Amicia FitzRobert Countess de Gloucester
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Roger De Clare III Earl Of Gloucester
Birth: 1115 Place: Tunbridge Castle, Kent, England
Birth: 1115 Place: Tonbridge, Kent, England
Birth: 1116 Place: Tunbridge Castle, Kent, England
Death: 1173 Place: Oxfordshire, England
Father: Richard Fitz Gilbert III Lord of Clare
Mother: Adeliza Le Meschines
m. Maud De Saint Hilary De Harcourt
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Amicia FitzRobert Countess de Gloucester
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: William FitzRobert Earl of Gloucester
Mother: Hawise De Beaumont
m. Richard De Clare VI Earl of Hertford
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Hawise De Beaumont
Birth: 1150 Place:
Death: 24 Apr 1197 Place:
Father: Robert De Beaumont III Earl of Leicester
Mother: Petronilla De Grendmesnil
m. William FitzRobert Earl of Gloucester
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lyra
John De Drayton
Birth: 1290 Place: Drayton, England
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Baldwin De Drayton
Mother: Idonea De Gimerges
m. Philippa De Arderne
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Baldwin De Drayton
Birth: 1250 Place: Drayton, England
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Henry De Drayton
Mother: Ivetta De Bourdon
m. Idonea De Gimerges
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Henry De Drayton
Birth: 1220 Place: Addington, Northamptonshire, England
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Walter De Vere
Mother: Lucia Basset
m. Ivetta De Bourdon
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Walter De Vere
Birth: 1190 Place: Addington, Northamptonshire, England
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Henry De Vere
Mother: Hildeburga Bosco
m. Lucia Basset
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Henry De Vere
Birth: 1155 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Robert De Vere
Mother: Matilda De Furnell
m. Hildeburga Bosco
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Robert De Vere
Birth: 1124 Place:
Death: UNKNOWN Place:
Father: Aubery II De Vere Earl of Oxford
Mother: Adeliza Alice De Clare
m. Matilda De Furnell
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lyra
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Here is some confirmation of this -
(quote, excerpts)
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1.
ARDERN (includes
___________
Arderne,
de Arderne,
Arden,
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Arthern, Arthan, Arderen, Ardren, Hardern, Hordern)
http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_surnames-ar.html
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2.
Although the two volumes are described usually as containing the
histories of only twelve families, many of these families are related
groups of families. Thus the Arden lineage includes the Eardene,
Arderne and Compton branches
http://www.baronage.co.uk/2006b/DrummondBNF.html
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while looking for the above, I discovered this -
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(quote, excerpts)
There had been an exchange in one of the Compuserve fora on this aspect
of Shakespeare's life, begun by a post that claimed ~
>> Shakespeare never made it, probably never expected to make it, to a rank as high as even the minor nobility. He attained the rank (after years of effort) of "gentleman." <<
....... and brought this reply ~
(quote)
>> Young Will did expect to make it, growing up in expectation of his recognition as a gentleman. The facts, briefly, are these:
Arms are the "ensigns of nobility" and, in Shakespeare's day, as during
the preceding centuries, the specific rank of gentleman (i.e. excluding
the generic use of the term) was the lowest rank in the nobility. (The
association of the term "nobility" as exclusively belonging to the
peerage is comparatively recent and almost wholly anglocentric.) A
patent of nobility is uncommon in the British Isles. We used to issue
them in Scotland to nobles about to travel abroad, to ensure they be
"received and treated in all places and among all nobles as nobles in
the noblesse of Scotland" (a clause still used in a Scottish grant of
arms), but it is a practice more usual in continental Europe. In the
British Isles then, as in Scotland still, the grant of arms was itself
the grantee's patent of nobility.
Which brings us to the critical point.
Will's father, John Shakespeare, was a merchant who was appointed a
Justice of the Peace and, in 1568, the Bailiff of Stratford-upon-Avon.
At that time he had preliminary discussions with Clarenceux King of
Arms, Robert Cook, on the preliminary sketches for a grant of arms, and
in 1596 the grant was made. The long wait is usually ascribed to some
financial difficulties, for a grant was then finalised only after very
substantial fees had been paid. So Will, from the age of four, grew up
knowing that his father had in principle been recognised as of a rank
equivalent to that of his (Will's) maternal grandfather, Robert Arden
of Wilmcote. Thus in 1596, when his father's fortunes had turned and
when Will himself was prosperous, he could account himself as having
been born a gentleman, born an English nobleman.
In 1586 Sir John Ferne, in "The Glorie of Generositie", states
specifically that Bailiffs of "ancient boroughs and incorporated towns"
held "offices of dignity and worship" meriting a grant of arms - so in
this Tudor period of phrenetic social climbing it would have been
impossible for Will to be other than very conscious of his impending
noble status. Moreover, for the scrambling social climbers the
difference between acquiring gentility by a grant of arms and being
born gentle was immense. Further divisions were attempted later by an
insistence that although a grant of arms made its grantee armigerous,
"three generations of coat armour" were required to make a gentleman.
This and similar distinctions were incorporated into the requirements
for certain orders of chivalry and various societies, but in law the
definition remained simple "Why, if he hath no arms, then he is no
gentleman" - and if he has, he is, and Will's father was.
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(quote, excerpts)
So ~ John Shakespeare was a gentleman of coat armour. William was born
a gentleman and, as a gentleman, belonged to the lowest rank of the
English nobility (classified as nobiles minores). The books you quote
are of little value in these matters. It is necessary to return to
original sources.
A contemporary of Shakespeare, Camden, who was Clarenceux King of Arms
when he died in 1623, always used "noble" for the recipient in the
letters patent he granted. Moreover, and I stress that he was of
Shakespeare's time, in his "Britannia" (dedicated to William Cecil, the
equivalent then of a twentieth century Prime Minister) he wrote -
"nobiles minores sunt equites aurati, armigeri et qui vulgo generosi,
et gentle men vocantur"
which I think I can fairly translate as
"the lesser nobility are knights, esquires and those commonly called
generosi or gentlemen."
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(quote, excerpt)
We thought this correspondence worth quoting extensively for two
reasons. The first, obviously, is that the change of meanings of words
down the centuries is often unrecognised, and that when changed
meanings are not identified there is confusion. Here the confusion
caused the correspondent to believe that Shakespeare applied the
twentieth-century understanding of nobility to his own time. The second
is that Shakespeare's position in society is misunderstood by many of
his readers and has helped to foster much of the doubt sometimes
expressed about the true authorship of his plays.
http://www.baronage.co.uk/nl/nl-01-03.htm
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lyra
a different source
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Philippa de Arderne , Baroness Drayton
Birth: abt 1302 Place: Preston, Sussex, England
Father: Robert de Arderne
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m.
John de Drayton , Lord Drayton
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Robert de Arderne
Birth: 1274 Place: Preston, Sussex, England
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John de Drayton , Lord Drayton
Birth: 1250 Place: Drayton, Northamptonshire, England
Father: Baldwin de Drayton
Mother: Idonea de Gemages
m. Philippa de Arderne , Baroness Drayton
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Baldwin de Drayton
Birth: 1250 Place: Drayton, Northamptonshire, England
Father: Henry de Drayton
Mother: Isabella (Ivetta) de Bourdon
m. Idonea de Gemages
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Henry de Drayton
Birth: 1220 Place: Addington, Northamptonshire, England
Death: Place: Drayton, Northamptonshire, England
Father: Walter de Vere (aka) Walter de Drayton
Mother: Lucia Basset
m. Isabella (Ivetta) de Bourdon
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Lucia Basset
Birth: 1196 Place: Hedington, Oxfordshire, England
Father: Gilbert Basset
Mother: Egeline de Courtenay
m. Walter de Vere (aka) Walter de Drayton
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Gilbert Basset
Birth: abt 1154 Place: Hedington, Oxfordshire, England
Death: 1207 Place:
Father: Thomas Basset , Sheriff of Oxford
Mother: Alice de Dunstanville
m. Egeline de Courtenay
Marriage: abt 1175
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Thomas Basset , Sheriff of Oxford
Birth: bef 1130 Place: Wellingford, Oxfordshire, England
Death: abt 1182 Place: Headington, Oxfordshire, England
Father: Gilbert Basset
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m. Alice de Dunstanville
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Gilbert Basset
Birth: abt 1103 Place: Wallingford, Berkshire, England
Death: aft 1165 Place:
Father: Thomas Basset
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Thomas Basset
Birth: abt 1090 Place: Colston Bassett, Nottinghamshire, England
Death: Place: Wallingford, Berkshire, England
Father: Ralph Basset , Chief Justice of
Mother: Alice de Buci
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Ralph Basset , Chief Justice of
Birth: abt 1065 Place: Ouilly-Basset, Normandy, France
Death: 1127 Place: Colston Bassett, Nottinghamshire, England
Burial: Place: Addington Abbey, Berkshire, England
m. Alice de Buci
m. also Agatha de Bruce
Marriage: abt 1108 Place:
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Alice de Buci
Birth: abt 1065 Place: Great Weldon, Kettering, Northamptonshire,
England
Death: bef 1107 Place:
Father: Robert de Buci
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m. Ralph Basset , Chief Justice of
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Robert de Buci
Birth: abt 1040 Place: Normandy, France
Death: Place: Great Weldon, Kettering, Northamptonshire, England
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Alice de Dunstanville
Birth: abt 1137 Place: Shiplake, Oxfordshire, England
Death: aft 1184 Place:
Father: Alan de Dunstanville
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m. Thomas Basset , Sheriff of Oxford
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Alan de Dunstanville
Birth: Place: Colyton, Axminster, Devon, England
Death: bet 3 Apr 1150 and 1156 Place: Tewkesbury, Wiltshire,
England
Death: bef 1157 Place: Nyetimber, Pagham, Sussex, England
Father: Reginald de Dunstanville
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m. Isabel
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Reginald de Dunstanville
Birth: abt 1100 Place: Winterbourne, Amesbury, Wiltshire, England
Death: bef 1130 Place: Poulton, Cirencester, Wiltshire, England
Father: Reynold (Rainald) de Warenne
Mother: Adeliza de Lisle , Heiress of Combe
m. Gundreda
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Reynold (Rainald) de Warenne
Birth: abt 1075 Place: Winterbourne, Amesbury, Wiltshire, England
Death: bef 1115 Place: Poulton, Cirencester, Wiltshire, England
Father: William de Warenne , 1st Earl of Surre
Mother: Gundred of St. Omer , Countess of Surre
m. Adeliza de Lisle , Heiress of Combe
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William de Warenne , 1st Earl of Surrey
Birth: abt 1055 Place: Varenne near Bellencombre,
Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France
Death: 24 Jun 1088 Place: Lewes, Sussex from wounds at the Siege
of Pevensey, Sussex, England
Burial: Place: Chapter House, Lewes, Sussex, England
Father: Rudolf II de Warenne
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m. Gundred of St. Omer , Countess of Surrey
Marriage: Place: Normandy, France
Acceded: 16 Apr 1088 Place: as Earl of Surrey
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Rudolf II de Warenne
Father: Rudolf (Ralph) I de Warenne
Mother: Beatrice de Vascoeuil
m. Emma
Marriage: Place:
Acceded: 1074
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Rudolf (Ralph) I de Warenne
Birth: abt 0998 Place: France
Death: bef 1059 Place:
m. Beatrice de Vascoeuil
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Beatrice de Vascoeuil
Birth: abt 1020 Place: Vascoeuil, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy,
France
Death: bef 1059 Place:
Father: Tesselin - Vicomte of Rouen
Mother: Daughter of Osbern de Bolbec
m. Rudolf (Ralph) I de Warenne
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Tesselin - Vicomte of Rouen
Birth: abt 0970 Place: Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France
m. Daughter of Osbern de Bolbec
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Daughter of Osbern de Bolbec
Birth: abt 0985 Place: Longueville-sur-Scie, Seine-Inferieure,
Normandy, France
Father: Osbern I de Bolbec , Seigneur of Longu
Mother: Avelina (Wevia\Wevie) de Crepon
m. Tesselin - Vicomte of Rouen
Some have speculated that she is a sister of Joscelina, which would
make her a daughter of Senfrie de Crepon and the For
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Osbern I de Bolbec , Seigneur of Longu
Birth: abt 0945 Place: Bolbec, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France
Death: 1035 Place: Longueville-sur-Scie, Seine-Inferieure,
Normandy,
m. Avelina (Wevia\Wevie) de Crepon
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Gundred of St. Omer , Countess of Surrey
Birth: abt 1050 Place: Flanders
Death: 27 May 1085 Place: Castle Acre, Norfolk, England
Burial: Place: Chapter House, Lewes, Sussex, England
Father: Gerbod of St. Omer
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m. William de Warenne , 1st Earl of Surrey
Marriage: Place: Normandy, France
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Adeliza de Lisle , Heiress of Combe
Birth: abt 1078 Place: Combe Castle, Wiltshire, England
m. Reynold (Rainald) de Warenne
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Egeline de Courtenay
Birth: abt 1160 Place: Colston, Nottinghamshire, England
Death: abt 1214 Place:
m. Gilbert Basset
Marriage: abt 1175
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Isabella (Ivetta) de Bourdon
Birth: 1230 Place: Aldershot, Hampshire, England
m. Henry de Drayton
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Idonea de Gemages
Birth: 1265 Place: Botolph Bridge, Northamptonshire, England
m. Baldwin de Drayton
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