Yet another fine house in the English Midlands to be demolished

[Paul Crowley]

Yet another fine house in the English Midlands to be demolished

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-22057212

As Strats will know, this destruction follows an ancient
tradition, as exemplified in numerous cases. Here
are a few instances from English and other history

Fred West
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/fred-west-house-to-be-demolished-1356745.html
Ian Huntley
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-204226/Huntley-house-demolished.html
John Reginald Christie
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/30/rillington_place/
Josef Fritzl, Austria
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/joseffritzl/8119526/Josef-Fritzls-former-home-to-be-demolished.html
Arthur McElhill
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12590864
The Stratman
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21587468
Osama Bin Laden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden%27s_compound_in_Abbottabad
Sodomy and Gomorrah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah


Can you spot the theme?


Paul.

[marco]

these diversions are all
in the ancient tradition of Shakespeare deniers:

red herrings
straw dogs
fool's errand
wild goose chase
curve ball
smoke screen
etc

marc

[BCD]

On 4/9/2013 11:13 AM, Paul Crowley wrote:
> Yet another fine house in the English Midlands to be demolished
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-22057212

***"Fine"? At any rate: murder.

> As Strats will know, this destruction follows an ancient
> tradition, as exemplified in numerous cases. Here
> are a few instances from English and other history
>
> Fred West
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/fred-west-house-to-be-demolished-1356745.html

***Murder.

> Ian Huntley
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-204226/Huntley-house-demolished.html

***Murder.

> John Reginald Christie
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/30/rillington_place/

***Murder.

> Josef Fritzl, Austria
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/joseffritzl/8119526/Josef-Fritzls-former-home-to-be-demolished.html

***Repeated incestuous rape.

> Arthur McElhill
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12590864

***Murder.

> The Stratman
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21587468

***Annoying tourists.

> Osama Bin Laden
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden%27s_compound_in_Abbottabad

***Accessory to mass murder.

> Sodomy and Gomorrah
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah

***Insufficient number of righteous citizens.

>
> Can you spot the theme?
>

***Real estate market enhancement. I hear that, in Sodom and Gomorrah,
they really made a killing.

Best Wishes,

--BCD

[metri...@gmail.com]

Crowley thinks [usual disclaimer, as David would say] that the C18 owner of New Place, having formed the opinion that a former owner did not in fact write a number of plays attributed to him, destroyed the house in a reaction of visceral horror at this appalling crime, just as though he had discovered it to be the site of a series of horrifying murders.

Nothing insane there, of course.

Peter G.

[Tom Reedy]

On Apr 9, 4:51 pm, metrical...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, 10 April 2013 04:13:56 UTC+10, Paul Crowley  wrote:
> > Yet another fine house in the English Midlands to be demolished
>
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-22057212
>
> > As Strats will know, this destruction follows an ancient
>
> > tradition, as exemplified in numerous cases.   Here
>
> > are a few instances from English and other history
>
> > Fred West
>

> >    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/fred-west-house-to-be-demolished-13...
>
> > Ian Huntley
>
> >    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-204226/Huntley-house-demolish...

>
> > John Reginald Christie
>
> >    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/30/rillington_place/
>
> > Josef Fritzl, Austria
>

> >    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/joseffritzl/8119526/Josef-...

>
> > Arthur McElhill
>
> >    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12590864
>
> > The Stratman
>
> >    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21587468
>
> > Osama Bin Laden
>
> >      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden%27s_compound_in_Abbottabad
>
> > Sodomy and Gomorrah
>
> >    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah
>
> > Can you spot the theme?
>
> > Paul.
>
> Crowley thinks [usual disclaimer, as David would say] that the C18 owner of New Place, having formed the opinion that a former owner did not in fact write a number of plays attributed to him, destroyed the house in a reaction of visceral horror at this appalling crime, just as though he had discovered it to be the site of a series of horrifying murders.
>
> Nothing insane there, of course.
>
> Peter G.

Of course not. What's insane is his idea of a "fine house". I suppose
being born and brought up in the bogs irreparably affects one
aesthetic sensibilities.

TR

[Paul Crowley]

On 09/04/2013 22:51, metri...@gmail.com wrote:

>> Yet another fine house in the English Midlands to be demolished
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-22057212
>>
>> As Strats will know, this destruction follows an ancient
>> tradition, as exemplified in numerous cases. Here
>> are a few instances from English and other history
>>
>> Fred West
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/fred-west-house-to-be-demolished-1356745.html
>> Ian Huntley
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-204226/Huntley-house-demolished.html
>> John Reginald Christie
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/30/rillington_place/
>> Josef Fritzl, Austria
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/joseffritzl/8119526/Josef-Fritzls-former-home-to-be-demolished.html
>> Arthur McElhill
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12590864
>> The Stratman
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21587468
>> Osama Bin Laden
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden%27s_compound_in_Abbottabad
>> Sodomy and Gomorrah
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah
>>
>> Can you spot the theme?

In a primitive society, full of beliefs in animism, pagan
spirits, strange gods, peculiar devils, wandering djinns,
household gods and supernatural beings of all kinds,
it makes little or no sense to ask why strange things
happen.

Strats occupy that kind of place. They have never
learned to ask questions because, in their dark world
full of strange shadows, mysterious things happen
just because mysterious things happen. They lack
all sense of cause and effect. "Dings happen" and
that's that -- never dream to ask why.

Were Strats slightly more rational, they might think
to list a few examples of houses being torn down by
their owners for OTHER -- and relatively sensible of
benign -- reasons. But such an idea could never
occur to a Strat; the mental capacity is missing.
This is lucky for them -- since if they were to try to
engage what they think of as their 'brains' they'd run
into an insuperable problem -- they would not be able
to find examples to make up such a list.

> Crowley thinks [usual disclaimer, as David would say] that the
> C18 owner of New Place, having formed the opinion that a former
> owner did not in fact write a number of plays attributed to him,

The Reverend Dr Gastrell knew perfectly well that
the former owner of his house was an illiterate
yeoman, incapable of writing a word. This would
have been common knowledge among the well-
educated of the local area -- and passed on to each
new vicar from his predecessor. It was less than
150 years since the man had died, and some of the
longer-lived in the parish would have known a few (of
the longer-lived) who had met the man when they
were young.

> destroyed the house in a reaction of visceral horror at this
> appalling crime, just as though he had discovered it to be
> the site of a series of horrifying murders.

Any honest person aware of the growth in
Bardolatry, and seeing how it was being applied
to a wholly undeserving, ignorant and illiterate
local yokel, would have been appalled. Tearing
down the house was an entirely fitting response
-- and probably the only course he felt available
to him.

> Nothing insane there, of course.

Whereas every one of your own suggestions as to
why it was done are all so overwhelmingly cogent.


Paul.

[jaelsheargold]

On Apr 11, 10:37 pm, Paul Crowley <dsfdsfd...@sdfsfsfs.com> wrote:

> On 09/04/2013 22:51, metrical...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Yet another fine house in the English Midlands to be demolished
>
> >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-22057212
>
> >> As Strats will know, this destruction follows an ancient
> >> tradition, as exemplified in numerous cases.   Here
> >> are a few instances from English and other history
>
> >> Fred West

> >>    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/fred-west-house-to-be-demolished-13...
> >> Ian Huntley
> >>    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-204226/Huntley-house-demolish...

> >> John Reginald Christie
> >>    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/30/rillington_place/
> >> Josef Fritzl, Austria

> >>    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/joseffritzl/8119526/Josef-...

There is evidently a shortage of CPNs in your part of England,
Crowley.


SB.

> It was less than 150 years since the man had died, and some of the
> longer-lived in the parish would have known a few (of
> the longer-lived) who had met the man when they
> were young.
>
> > destroyed the house in a reaction of visceral horror at this
> > appalling crime, just as though he had discovered it to be
> > the site of a series of horrifying murders.
>
> Any honest person aware of the growth in
> Bardolatry, and seeing how it was being applied
> to a wholly undeserving, ignorant and illiterate
> local yokel, would have been appalled.  Tearing
> down the house was an entirely fitting response
> -- and probably the only course he felt available
> to him.
>
> > Nothing insane there, of course.
>
> Whereas every one of your own suggestions as to
> why it was done are all so overwhelmingly cogent.
>

> Paul.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[metri...@gmail.com]

On Friday, April 12, 2013 7:37:26 AM UTC+10, Paul Crowley wrote:
> On 09/04/2013 22:51, metri...@gmail.com wrote:


> Crowley thinks [usual disclaimer, as David would say] that the
> C18 owner of New Place, having formed the opinion that a former
> owner did not in fact write a number of plays attributed to him,

The Reverend Dr Gastrell knew perfectly well

***You know this by what form of necromancy? I've heard that examining pigs' intestines is quite effective.

that
the former owner of his house was an illiterate
yeoman, incapable of writing a word. This would
have been common knowledge among the well-
educated of the local area -- and passed on to each
new vicar from his predecessor. It was less than
150 years since the man had died, and some of the
longer-lived in the parish would have known a few (of
the longer-lived) who had met the man when they
were young.

> destroyed the house in a reaction of visceral horror at this
> appalling crime, just as though he had discovered it to be
> the site of a series of horrifying murders.

Any honest person aware of the growth in
Bardolatry, and seeing how it was being applied
to a wholly undeserving, ignorant and illiterate
local yokel, would have been appalled. Tearing
down the house was an entirely fitting response
-- and probably the only course he felt available
to him.

*** ...in your bizarre fantasy-world. I like to live in the real one.

> Nothing insane there, of course.

Whereas every one of your own suggestions as to
why it was done are all so overwhelmingly cogent.

***There are lots of sensible reasons for knocking down houses (and petty ones, two -- did the woman who destroyed Pope's villa in 1808 [?] perhaps suspect that his poems were written by the then Lord Oxford?). You forget that unlike you I don't claim any telepathic communion with the dead.

Peter G.

[marco]

The Reverend, Paul Crowley seems to have a thing with
Shakespeare's house, torn down in 1759.
When did Shakespeare live, 1564-1616?


Reverend Francis Gastrell bought the house in 1753 but quickly
got irritated with tourists wanting to see it
He is also said to have been in a dispute over taxes with local officials.

Gastrell was already in the town's bad books after chopping down a
mulberry tree planted by Shakespeare in the garden. Then, in an
extraordinary fit of spite, he demolished the whole house in 1759.

Obviously, one of Shakespeare's ghosts,
or witches got to the Reverend.

marc

[Paul Crowley]

On 12/04/2013 04:31, metri...@gmail.com wrote:

>> The Reverend Dr Gastrell knew perfectly well
>
> ***You know this by what form of necromancy? I've
> heard that examining pigs' intestines is quite effective.

It is a conclusion. There are two broad stories
here:

(A) The Strat -- the genius of the Stratman was
known from the start, and respected by the locals
-- but not one of whom said not a word about him
for some 200 years after his death.

(B) The anti-Strat. There was no 'genius' to be
recognised, and most locals at or near his time
imagined that the Stratman had any association
with the published poet. Dr James Cooke, for
example, from Warwick, had no idea that he was
talking to the supposed daughter of the Great Bard,
when he acquired Dr Hall's notebooks from her,
nor when he later published them. He mentions
not a word about the supposed links to the
supposed fame of Dr Hall's father-in-law.
However -- local professionals (e.g. the Vicar)
would have learned from the start that there was
a subject about which they were NOT to talk --
a strange link of an illiterate local yokel to the
Great Poet. The truth of the matter would have
been passed on to each succeeding holder of
the office until the legend became fixed --
probably in the late 18th century.

Dr Gastrell's tearing down of the house would
have been a final protest in this matter.

>> that
>> the former owner of his house was an illiterate
>> yeoman, incapable of writing a word. This would
>> have been common knowledge among the well-
>> educated of the local area -- and passed on to each
>> new vicar from his predecessor. It was less than
>> 150 years since the man had died, and some of the
>> longer-lived in the parish would have known a few (of
>> the longer-lived) who had met the man when they
>> were young.
>
>>> destroyed the house in a reaction of visceral horror at this
>>> appalling crime, just as though he had discovered it to be
>>> the site of a series of horrifying murders.
>
>> Any honest person aware of the growth in
>> Bardolatry, and seeing how it was being applied
>> to a wholly undeserving, ignorant and illiterate
>> local yokel, would have been appalled. Tearing
>> down the house was an entirely fitting response
>> -- and probably the only course he felt available
>> to him.
>
> *** ...in your bizarre fantasy-world. I like to live in the real one.

So where are the memoirs? "My father knew the Bard" ?
Why the silence from Dr John Cooke, et al?

>> Nothing insane there, of course.
>
>> Whereas every one of your own suggestions as to
>> why it was done are all so overwhelmingly cogent.
>
> ***There are lots of sensible reasons for knocking down houses

The streets of many cities have often been rebuilt.
But rarely is there the kind of gap we see in Stratford.
Manifestly, there is some story here -- one that allowed
the destruction, and prevented a rebuilding at any time.

> (and petty ones, two -- did the woman who destroyed Pope's
> villa in 1808 [?] perhaps suspect that his poems were written by
> the then Lord Oxford?).

Pope was unpopular, as poets often are. Houses
linked to Byron or Shelley or Joyce or Wilde
could have seen a similar fate.

> You forget that unlike you I don't claim
> any telepathic communion with the dead.

You mean that you are incapable of forming any
kind of judgement about people's behaviour in
history -- because you are an ignorant Strat, and
there is no room for sense.


Paul.

[marco]

does anyone here [Elizabeth excluded]
really think Paul Crowley believes most of what he posts?

it just doesn't ring true

i admit,
he's entertaining, but
how does one respond to someone who's "acting" crazy?

marc

[John W Kennedy]

You're new here. Since I know very little of Crowley personally, I
cannot actually swear that he is not malingering, but I know well
enough that there are real people who sincerely, with all their heart
and soul, believe what he says he believes as surely as any 1st-century
Christian martyr believed even as he was being vivisected; I know of no
reason to believe that Crowley should not accounted among them. I
suggest you read C. S. Lewis's essay, "The Inner Ring" for some light
on the subject.

--
John W Kennedy
"Compact is becoming contract,
Man only earns and pays."
-- Charles Williams. "Bors to Elayne: On the King's Coins"

[laraine]

I have also heard of people burning down
houses to get insurance money, and
insurance certainly existed at that time.

Yet I guess the Reverend was rich, and
might have viewed doing such a thing as
immoral, though maybe it wouldn't have
been illegal then.

To burn down a house out of spite though--
today, you'd be sent to a psychologist
for that.

Did he actually admit to it, or did someone
see him destroying the house?

The other question is how much he liked
Shakespeare to begin with. Did he move
there because of a special interest in the
plays....

C.

[laraine]

On Apr 12, 12:34 am, marco <21blacks...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The Reverend, Paul Crowley seems to have a thing with
> Shakespeare's house, torn down in 1759.
> When did Shakespeare live, 1564-1616?
>
> Reverend Francis Gastrell bought the house in 1753 but quickly
> got irritated with tourists wanting to see it
> He is also said to have been in a dispute over taxes with local officials.
>
> Gastrell was already in the town's bad books after chopping down a
> mulberry tree planted by Shakespeare in the garden. Then, in an
> extraordinary fit of spite, he demolished the whole house in 1759.

It occurs to me that maybe he did all of
that thinking that people should be
worshiping God rather than Shakespeare.

C.

[marco]

I guess Paul ran out of excuses

marc

[marco]

[Paul Crowley]

This one is in the US midlands:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23603738

[marco]

all I can see, is a creationist's dual-reality theme park

marc

[Paul Crowley]

This one is in the Midlands of Wales

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-25138595

[jaelsheargold]

The Midlands of Wales? There's no such place, you silly old fool.


SB.