Nina Green
Richard Kennedy
For some years a woman named Nina Green has been running
an e-mail discussion group devoted to Oxfordian talk, which
has been welcome except that she is something of a tyrant, the
supreme editor of the group named Phaeton.
She has just kicked me off the list again for the third time, and
this time for good. The trouble is, I have brought up arguments
that don't suit her, so she shuts down the argument or kicks me
off the line.
Nina likes her ideas of how the authorship thing came about and
how best to sort it all out. Anyone who thinks otherwise is pecked
to death, for she makes more posts than all the other Phaeton
members combined, mostly of a nipping nature constructed to
force the discussion into her dark woods where all well-cut
arguments turn to mold and must, and her opponent gets out
before his ears mildew. In my case, I can stand as many toads
and mushrooms as she can call to command, so finally she must
exile me in the way of an answer.
Nina's great contribution for the Oxfordians, is her new theory
that Oxford not only wrote the plays, but he was also wrote the
whole shelf of Robert Green, also works of Lyly, Heywood, Kyd,
Ben Jonson and several other Elizabethan authors. It's called the
Super-Oxford theory, and she promotes it like a sweet powder,
but surely it's as deadly to the Oxfordians as anthrax.
Now, any reasonable man would object to this Super-Oxford
theory. Not only does the theory have large faults, but it's
destructive to the Oxfordians, a clog to serious research, and
a laughing-stock to all but Nina, who supposes she has founded a
new religion we should all join. She thinks that Oxford also wrote
Groatsworth, and let the Stratfordians agree that I am neither drunk,
drugged, or dumb when I say that her ideas about Groatsworth is
something of the last word in foolish theories about that crippled
piece of prose.
But to the moment. This day Nina kicked me off because I wrote
unkindly of her Super-Oxford theory yesterday. Here's what I
wrote, and what was published on Phaeton:
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Nina's Super-Oxford theory is to be a laughing-stock if
any other Oxfordian would support it. The Stratfordians would
love for it to be made public in a book, for example, if it were
seriously presented in that form. There are other outrageous
Oxfordian theories, but they have some modest proofs
sincerely offered, but the Super-Oxford theory has none at
all except for Nina's blowing it along with her own wind, the
weather and nether of her supposing that she has discovered
some far-reaching and gigantic conspiracy that illuminates in
a blue flame that Oxford also wrote Heywood, Greene, Nash,
Kyd, Jonson, and several others, all revealed in the gas-light
of her inspiration.
The Elizabethans sound very much alike, which is natural, such
as editorial writers of today sound very much alike. It was a style
of writing and in a blind test she couldn't tell Walsingham from
Raleigh, Oxford from Derby, or Burghley from Heywood, and as
for poetry I believe she has a dull ear to well appoint any writer
to a piece of random prose or poetry. As for the references of
who is alive and who isn't, that's a search for spooks in a graveyard,
and the prose of Groatsworth is a morgue of rotten flesh, nothing to
it but a stink.
Nina thinks Ben Jonson wrote the Alchemist and Volpone.
The dates can't possibly support it, and either she is ignorant
of the history of the those plays or has gone like a mad cook
throwing to the pot what she wants the Oxfordians to eat, like a
poisoned stew that the Stratfordians would delight to see us
vomit up when they would certainly notice we were gagging on
the surfeit.
Yet thank God no Oxfordian has yet spooned into Nina's pot,
and I think that none will. The Super-Oxford Theory is to
Nina a great rock of reason, a shining, dazzling, many-faceted
green jewel. And it is, like Kryptonite, and it will make feeble
any Oxfordian who touches it, destroy the strength of the good
Oxfordian arguments, and dissemble the work of many honest
toilers in the field.
There are a few simple things which Oxfordians know for
certain, tightly reasoned and fairly iron-bound. Nina's Super-
Oxford theory proposes to us a busted barrel of incoherent and
scattered content, hoops and staves sprung over a landscape
all bewildered with the walking dead, empty-eyed clones,
and babbling ghosts. It's a wasteland, a pit, a soggy bottom,
a place of trench-foot, trench-mouth, and rot.
Several metaphors more would be needed to expose Nina's
Super-Oxford Theory for all its folly, but to end this note think
on the Tar-Baby if you would put your hand to the thing, and
if you would like to push along with Nina on the Super-Oxford
Theory, think on Sisyphus, or the dung beetle. -Kennedy
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That's naked invective, of course, but invective has never bothered Nina
when it was directed to some theory she was also against. The Super-
Oxford theory is her own baby, you know how it is with mothers, and it
is beautiful in her eyes, and I was pleased to kick the precious crib of the
ugly little brute, and she was pleased to kick me out of Phaeton. This time
I don't really care; most everyone else has left the group anyway. Nina is
never wrong about anything, that's the problem. She is something like a
prison guard, or picture Big Nurse, or the Red Queen. Here's her last word,
posted this morning to me, off with his head.
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Richard,
With your mind as irrecovably made up as it is with respect to the danger
and folly of inquiring into the Super-Oxford theory, there can be little
pleasure or profit to either of us in your continuing in a research group
in which the Super-Oxford theory will be explored, and accordingly I've
removed your e-mail address from the Phaeton list. Best of luck with your
Oxfordian research.
Nina Green
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Well, so far as scholarship goes, there's no danger that the Super-Oxford
theory could make any proofs or gain support from the true investigators
of the Authorship Question. It hasn't yet, and never will. The SOT is
excessive and regressive, and will backslide to some silent place, with Nina
the only champion of its disgrace.
Nina wishes to spread a super-cape over some one half of all Elizabethan
literature and gather up a conspiracy that makes the mere Oxford = Shakespeare
theory seem no more than a bib. She wants me gone because she'd like to
discuss her pet theory and it's no "pleasure or profit" to have me around while
she does so, and she's right. I would squeeze that turnip till it bled red
blood,
kicked up it's tiny turnip feet and died a white, lumpish death
Nina Green was once enthusiastic about Neuendorffer. She published
everything he wrote for a couple or three years, much of it exactly the same
copy-paste Rosicrucian, cipher stuff he fosters at hlas. Neuendorffer are
a friend of hers. I tried to get him kicked off of Phaeton at one time, but
she thought he was pretty good, and shouldn't be criticized, maybe he'd
turn up something really valuable. Barf. As to Neuendorffer, more later,
but the introduction for now is that no other Oxfordian supports or likes
his dizzy work.
And more of Nina's folly as it comes around, and it's just a shame that she
can be called an Oxfordian, doing such excellent work for the Stratfordians
with her Super-Oxford theory. There are Oxfordians at hlas, even quiet
people, and if I have given Nina a character she doesn't deserve, let them
speak out. In my mind, she is ruinous to Oxfordianism, the same as
Neuendorffer, watch where they come from, watch where they go, good
buddies of clutter and scatter, worthless in the quest, let the Stratfordians
make the most of them.
Richard J. Kennedy
PWDBard
Oxford theory. If there are, I do not recall any speaking up.
Her theory requires like the Stratfordian theory that the Stratford man be in
London no later that 1592 and well-positioned in the theatrical scene. But
there is no eivdence of that. Groatsworth is not solid evidence for much of
anything because it is open to many interpretations, like most literary texts.
The earliest the Strat man can be placed in London is late 1598 with the
Quiney-Sturley correspondence.
The pattern of all the London documentation bearing the name William
Shakespeare or something close to that indicates that there were two William
Shakespeares in London...setting aside the name as it appears on title pages.
Green like Diana Price advocates the Strat man as "front man" for Oxford which
is rubbish because it does not hold up to analysis. But in pushing this theory
they like the Strats, need the Strat man to be on the scene either as a fake
Bard or real Bard no later than 1592 but there is no solid evidence
(non-literary evidence obviously) that the Strat man was in London prior to
1598.
Buckeye Pete
MakBane
very clearly believes that someone of the nobility is the Author. Is she a
Derbyite?
Toby Petzold
American
David Kathman
>
> For some years a woman named Nina Green has been running
> an e-mail discussion group devoted to Oxfordian talk, which
> has been welcome except that she is something of a tyrant, the
> supreme editor of the group named Phaeton.
>
> She has just kicked me off the list again for the third time, and
> this time for good. The trouble is, I have brought up arguments
> that don't suit her, so she shuts down the argument or kicks me
> off the line.
See this, Kennedy? It's the world's smallest violin.
And it's playing just for you.
Dave Kathman
dj...@ix.netcom.com
christian rosencreuz
searching for Rosicrucian historical materials and discussion on
Usenet, is that if this person regards Neuendorffer as the type of
'scholar' she wants on her list, then you may well be better off
elsewhere.
You can see the jumps in logic in everything Neuendorffer writes.
Everything is connected for him, every word has a subliminal meaning.
Rosencreuz = Rosencrantz = RObinSON CRUSoe
My father was a parole officer for some years and one of his clients
was a severly unbalanced former Eastern bloc nuclear physicist. He
used to find newspaper ads with 'Devil of a deal' and '$9.99' in them
and say that there were subliminal Satanic messages there. Any hammer
or star was a subliminal Communist message, even in adverts for such
bastions of capitalism as used car yards. The Communists had tortured
the poor chap, so you can see why he might keep on his guard for such
things.
Like Neuendorffer, he used to cut-and-paste his staff, in this case
hard copy material cut from newspapers, books etc and the end results,
delivered to my father, numerous Catholic priests and politicians, in
bundles of 100 pages or so, were pure art.
But it isn't scholarship.
R+C
>
> Nina Green was once enthusiastic about Neuendorffer. She published
> everything he wrote for a couple or three years, much of it exactly the same
> copy-paste Rosicrucian, cipher stuff he fosters at hlas. Neuendorffer are
> a friend of hers. I tried to get him kicked off of Phaeton at one time, but
> she thought he was pretty good, and shouldn't be criticized, maybe he'd
> turn up something really valuable. Barf. As to Neuendorffer, more later,
> but the introduction for now is that no other Oxfordian supports or likes
> his dizzy work.
>
>
> Richard J. Kennedy
KQKnave
rosen...@hotmail.com (christian rosencreuz) writes:
>But it isn't scholarship.
>
We know.
Jim
Neuendorffer
> > Nina Green was once enthusiastic about Neuendorffer. She published
> > everything he wrote for a couple or three years, much of it exactly the same
> > copy-paste Rosicrucian, cipher stuff he fosters at hlas. Neuendorffer are
> > a friend of hers. I tried to get him kicked off of Phaeton at one time, but
> > she thought he was pretty good, and shouldn't be criticized, maybe he'd
> > turn up something really valuable. Barf. As to Neuendorffer, more later,
> > but the introduction for now is that no other Oxfordian supports or likes
> > his dizzy work.
christian rosencreuz wrote:
> All I can think, having surveyed Neuendorffer's posts for a while when
> searching for Rosicrucian historical materials and discussion on
> Usenet, is that if this person regards Neuendorffer as the type of
> 'scholar' she wants on her list, then you may well be better off
> elsewhere.
>
> You can see the jumps in logic in everything Neuendorffer writes.
> Everything is connected for him, every word has a subliminal meaning.
> Rosencreuz = Rosencrantz = RObinSON CRUSoe
EVERy word does has a subliminal meaning.
Art Neuendorffer
Erik Nielsen
And there's a subliminal reason for "does has"? Or just your stupidity?
--ecn
Neuendorffer
> >
> > > > Nina Green was once enthusiastic about Neuendorffer. She published
> > > > everything he wrote for a couple or three years, much of it exactly the same
> > > > copy-paste Rosicrucian, cipher stuff he fosters at hlas. Neuendorffer are
> > > > a friend of hers. I tried to get him kicked off of Phaeton at one time, but
> > > > she thought he was pretty good, and shouldn't be criticized, maybe he'd
> > > > turn up something really valuable. Barf. As to Neuendorffer, more later,
> > > > but the introduction for now is that no other Oxfordian supports or likes
> > > > his dizzy work.
> >
> > christian rosencreuz wrote:
> >
> > > All I can think, having surveyed Neuendorffer's posts for a while when
> > > searching for Rosicrucian historical materials and discussion on
> > > Usenet, is that if this person regards Neuendorffer as the type of
> > > 'scholar' she wants on her list, then you may well be better off
> > > elsewhere.
> > >
> > > You can see the jumps in logic in everything Neuendorffer writes.
> > > Everything is connected for him, every word has a subliminal meaning.
> > > Rosencreuz = Rosencrantz = RObinSON CRUSoe
> Neuendorffer wrote:
> >
> > EVERy word does has a subliminal meaning.
Erik Nielsen wrote:
>
> And there's a subliminal reason for "does has"?
Yes . . .that being:
Show me you're reading this so I can write more:
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Much Ado About Nothing Act 2, Scene 1
BENEDICK She speaks poniards, and EVERY WORD stabs:
if her breath were as terrible as her terminations,
there were no living near her; she would infect to
the north star. I would not marry her, though she
were endowed with all that Adam bad left him before
he transgressed:
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Adam Bede - George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans):
EVERY WORD sank like lead on Hetty's spirits;
she saw the journey stretch bit by bit before her now.
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Agnes Grey - Anne Bronte
With a little searching, I found these words in the fourth chapter.
When I came to the seventh verse she interrupted me, and, with
needless apologies for such a liberty, desired me to read it VERY
slowly, that she might take it all in, and dwell on EVERY WORD;
hoping I would excuse her, as she was but a 'simple body.'
'The wisest person,' I replied, 'might think OVER each of these
VERSES for an hour, and be all the better for it; and I would
rather read them slowly than not.'
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Sonnets Sonnet 76
Why is my verse so barren of new pride,
So far from variation or quick change?
Why with the time do I not glance aside
To new-found methods and to compounds strange?
Why write I still all one, EVER the same,
And keep invention in a noted weed,
That EVERY WORD doth almost tell my name,
Showing their birth and where they did proceed?
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All's Well That Ends Well Act 3, Scene 4
COUNTESS Let EVERY WORD weigh heavy of her worth
That he does weigh too light: my greatest grief.
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King Henry VI, Part ii Act 3, Scene 2
WARWICK Madam, be still; with REVEREnce may I say;
For EVERY WORD you speak in his behalf
Is slander to your royal dignity.
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King Henry VI, Part iii Act 5, Scene 4
QUEEN MARGARET Lords, knights, and gentlemen, what I should say
My tears gainsay; for EVERY WORD I speak,
Ye see, I drink the water of mine eyes.
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The Comedy of Errors Act 2, Scene 2
OF SYRACUSE Plead you to me, fair dame? I know you not:
In Ephesus I am but two hours old,
As strange unto your town as to your talk;
Who, EVERY WORD by all my wit being scann'd,
Want wit in all one word to understand.
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The Winter's Tale Act 3, Scene 2
PAULINA What studied torments, tyrant, hast for me?
What wheels? racks? fires? what flaying? boiling?
In leads or oils? what old or newer torture
Must I receive, whose EVERY WORD deserves
To taste of thy most worst?
Act 4, Scene 4
Shepherd I will tell the king all, EVERY WORD, yea, and his
son's pranks too; who, I may say, is no honest man,
neither to his father nor to me, to go about to make
me the king's brother-in-law.
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Hamlet, Prince of Denmark Act 4, Scene 5
Gentleman The rabble call him lord;
And, as the world were now but to begin,
Antiquity forgot, custom not known,
The ratifiers and props of EVERY WORD,
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Timon of Athens Act 1, Scene 2
FLAVIUS [Aside] What will this come to?
He commands us to provide, and give great gifts,
And all out of an empty coffer:
Nor will he know his purse, or yield me this,
To show him what a beggar his heart is,
Being of no power to make his wishes good:
His promises fly so beyond his state
That what he speaks is all in debt; he owes
For EVERY WORD: he is so kind that he now
Pays interest for 't; his land's put to their books.
Well, would I were gently put out of office
Before I were forced out!
Happier is he that has no friend to feed
Than such that do e'en enemies exceed.
I bleed inwardly for my lord.
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The Merchant of Venice Act 3, Scene 2
BASSANIO O sweet Portia,
Here are a few of the unpleasant'st words
That EVER blotted paper! Gentle lady,
When I did first impart my love to you,
I freely told you, all the wealth I had
Ran in my veins, I was a gentleman;
And then I told you TRUE: and yet, dear lady,
Rating myself at nothing, you shall see
How much I was a braggart. When I told you
My state was nothing, I should then have told you
That I was worse than nothing; for, indeed,
I have engaged myself to a dear friend,
Engaged my friend to his mere enemy,
To feed my means. Here is a letter, lady;
The paper as the body of my friend,
And EVERY WORD in it a gaping wound,
Issuing life-blood. But is it TRUE, Salerio?
Have all his ventures fail'd? What, not one hit?
From Tripolis, from Mexico and England,
From Lisbon, Barbary and India?
And not one vessel 'scape the dreadful touch
Of merchant-marring rocks?
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Art Neuendorffer
Neuendorffer
Hard Cash - Charles Reade:
"Now, Mr. Baker," said Vane, "what do you say to all this?"
Baker smiled with admirable composure, and replied with crafty
moderation, "He is a gentleman, and believes EVERY WORD he says;
but it is all his delusions.
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Eustace Diamonds - Anthony Trollope:
``They were, no doubt, as fanatic and foolish as you please.
If you will read to the end--''
``I have read it all--EVERY WORD of it,'' said Lizzie enthusiastically.
``Then you know that Arthur did not go on the search, because he had a
job of work to do, by the doing of which the people around him might
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Ivanhoe - Sir Walter Scott:
In order to give his language the appearance
of antiquity, he rejected EVERY WORD that was modern,
and produced a dialect entirely different from any
that had ever been spoken in Great Britain.
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Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens:
He resolved to treasure up EVERY WORD he heard,
and everything he saw; and especially to observe
the shadow of himself when it appeared.
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MATTHEW 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or
two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses EVERY WORD may be
established.
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Casanova, Complete Memoirs:
I then called on Christine, and I treated her to
a fatherly and sentimental sermon, EVERY WORD of which was
intended to point out to her the true road to happiness
EVERY WORD was delivered with a quiet politeness
which, no doubt, was intended to please me.
Furthermore, knowing readers would divine the names of all the women and
of the men which I have masked, whose transgressions are unknown to the
world, my indiscretion would injure them, they would cry out against my
perfidy, even though EVERY WORD of my history were true . . . . Tell
me yourself whether or not I should burn my work? I am curious to have
your advice."
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Captains Courageous - Rudyard Kipling:
Say, 'Hope I may die if I ain't speaking' truth."'
"Hope I may die right here," said Harvey, "if EVERY WORD
I've spoken isn't the cold truth."
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Lady Anna - Anthony Trollope:
Nor did she question her daughter very closely, anxious as she was to
learn the truth. Could she have heard EVERY WORD that had been spoken
she would have been sure of success. Could Daniel Thwaite have heard
EVERY WORD he would have been sure that the girl was about to be false
to him.
Oh heavens -- had it not been for Daniel Thwaite, how full of grace,
how becoming, how laden with flattering courtesy would have been EVERY
WORD that he had uttered to her! "But," he continued, if it really be
that you cannot love me -- "
"Oh, Lord Lovel, pray ask of me no further question."
He listened with most attentive ears to EVERY WORD spoken by the
Solicitor-General, and quarrelled with almost EVERY WORD. Would not
anyone have imagined that this advocate had been paid to plead the
cause, not of the Earl, but of the Countess? As regarded the interests
of the Earl, everything was surrendered. Appeal was made for the
sympathies of all the court -- and, through the newspapers, for the
sympathies of all England -- not on behalf of the Earl who was being
defrauded of his rights, but on behalf of the young woman who had
disgraced the name which she pretended to call her own -- and whose only
refuge from that disgrace must be in the fact that to that name she had
no righteous claim! Even when this apostate barrister came to a
recapitulation of the property at stake, and explained the cause of its
being vested, not in land as is now the case with the bulk of the
possessions of noble lords -- but in shares and funds and ventures of
commercial speculation here and there, after the fashion of tradesmen --
he said not a word to stir up in the minds of the jury a feeling of the
injury which had been done to the present Earl.
But by pluck and resolution he succeeded in making good some inch of
standing-room within the court before the Solicitor-General began his
statement, and he was able to hear EVERY WORD that was said. That
statement was not more pleasing to him than to the rector of Yoxham.
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Kinilworth - Sir Walter Scott:
"She is then distraught?" said the Queen. "Indeed we doubted
not of it; her whole demeanour bears it out. I found her moping
in a corner of yonder grotto; and EVERY WORD she spoke--which
indeed I dragged from her as by the rack--she instantly recalled
and forswore."
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Jude the Obscure - Thomas Hardy:
He learnt for the first time that there was no law of transmutation, as
in his innocence he had supposed (there was, in some degree, but the
grammarian did not recognize it), but that EVERY WORD in both Latin and
Greek was to be individually committed to memory at the cost of years of
plodding. Jude flung down the books, lay backward along the broad trunk
of the elm,
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Johnson, Samuel - Essays, Vol. 4 of collected works:
There is no kind of impertinence more justly
censurable than his who is always labouring to level
thoughts to intellects higher than his own; who
apologizes for EVERY WORD which his own narrowness
of converse inclines him to think unusual;
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Jane Eyre - Charlotte Bronte:
though two rooms off, I heard EVERY WORD--the thin partitions
of the West India house opposing but slight obstruction
to her wolfish cries.
His warnings that man shall not live by bread alone,
but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God;
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Imagination and Heart - James Fenimore Cooper:
EVERY WORD must be true -- every idea purity itself.
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Heart of Mid-Lothian - Sir Walter Scott:
I could hae heard EVERY WORD the minister said---
and to pay twalpennies for my stand, and a' for naething!''
although it was EVERY WORD written down and read by the preacher, and
although it was delivered in a tone and gesture very different from
those of Boanerges Stormheaven,
although he read the Common Prayer, and wrote down EVERY WORD of his
sermon before delivering it; and although he was, moreover, in strength
of lungs, as well as pith and marrow of doctrine, vastly inferior to
Boanerges Stormheaven,
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Heart of Darkness - Joseph Conrad:
`How true! how true! But when you think that no one knew him so well as
I!
I had all his noble confidence. I knew him best.'
"`You knew him best,' I repeated. And perhaps she did.
But with EVERY WORD spoken the room was growing darker,
and only her forehead, smooth and white, remained illumined
by the inextinguishable light of belief and love.
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Hard Times by Charles Dickens:
I went again to seek Mr. Bounderby,
and I found him, and I told him EVERY WORD I knew;
and he believed no word I said, and brought me here.'
'So far, that's true enough,' assented Mr. Bounderby,
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Great Expectations by Charles Dickens:
Herbert, but I remember it now you speak of it.' `Well! He went into
that part of his life, and a dark wild part it is. Shall I tell you? Or
would it worry you just now?' `Tell me by all means. EVERY WORD.'
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Gulliver's Travels - Swift:
I could now speak the language tolerably well,
and perfectly understood every word,
that was spoken to me. Besides, I had learnt their
alphabet, and could make a shift to explain a sentence here and
there; for Glumdalclitch had been my instructor
The other project was, a scheme for entirely abolishing all words
whatsoever; and this was urged as a great advantage in point of
health, as well as brevity. For it is plain, that EVERY WORD we
speak is, in some degree, a diminution of our lunge by corrosion,
and, consequently, contributes to the shortening of our lives.
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Euripides - translated by E. P. Coleridge et al:
MEDEA I will, for that will stab my husband to the heart.
LEADER It may, but thou wilt be the saddest wife alive.
MEDEA No matter; wasted is EVERY WORD that comes 'twixt now and then.
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Essays - Ralph Waldo Emerson:
Their every truth is not quite true. Their two is not
the real two, their four not the real four; so that EVERY WORD they
say chagrins us, and we know not where to begin to set them right.
A man cannot speak but he judges himself. With his will, or
against his will, he draws his portrait to the eye of his companions
by EVERY WORD.
EVERY WORD was once a poem.
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Emma by Jane Austen:
EVERY WORD of it--I am sure she would pore over it till she had
made out EVERY WORD.
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Dark Lady of the Sonnets - George Bernard Shaw:
I tell thee, Master Will, it will
be three hundred years and more before my subjects learn that man
cannot live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that cometh from the
mouth of those whom God inspires. By that time you and I will be dust
beneath the feet of the horses, if indeed there be any horses then,
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David Copperfield by Charles Dickens:
Hopkins said: 'Have you read it?' - 'No.'
- 'Would you like to hear it read?' If he weakly showed
the least disposition to hear it, Captain Hopkins, in
a loud sonorous voice, gave him EVERY WORD of it. The Captain
would have read it twenty thousand times, if twenty thousand
people would have heard him, one by one.
EVERY WORD was a new heap of fetters, riveted above the last.
'It is very hard, because we have not a kind Mama, that we are to
have, instead, a sulky, gloomy old thing like Miss Murdstone,
- no, gentlemen - upon my truth!'
His homely figure seemed to be lightened up by his fidelity and
generosity. EVERY WORD he uttered had a force that no other grace
could have imparted to it.
With a quiet assurance of the truth of what he said,
'there's shame steps in, and keeps betwixt us.'
I read, in EVERY WORD of his plain impressive way of delivering
himself, new evidence of his having thought of this one topic, in
every feature it presented.
'According to our reckoning,' he proceeded,
'You've took to general writing, eh, sir?'
said Mr. Omer, surveying me admiringly. 'What a lovely
work that was of yours! What expressions in it! I read it
EVERY WORD - EVERY WORD. And as to feeling sleepy! Not at all!'
'Oh, Dora, dearest, dearest, do not speak to me so. EVERY WORD
seems a reproach!'
'No, not a syllable!' she answers, kissing me. 'Oh, my dear,
you never deserved it,
Sometimes, we go at half-price to the pit of the theatre
- the very smell of which is cheap, in my opinion, at the money -
and there we thoroughly enjoy the play: which Sophy believes
EVERY WORD of, and so do I. In walking home, perhaps we buy
a little bit of something at a cook's-shop, or
a little lobster at the fishmongers, and bring it here,
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Child's History of England by Charles Dickens:
The Duke of Gloucester and the Duke of Buckingham
passed a pleasant evening, talking over the play
they had just acted with so much success,
and EVERY WORD of which they had prepared together.
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Canterbury Tales - Chaucer:
|SQUI| His manner was most heavenly to see,
|SQUI| For any woman, were she ever so wise;
|SQUI| So painted he, and combed, at point-device,
|SQUI| His manner, all in all, and EVERY WORD.
|SQUI| And so much by his bearing was I stirred
|SQUI| And for the truth I thought was in his heart,
|SQUI| That, if aught troubled him and made him smart,
|PARS| I say that Saint Augustine says: Sin is EVERY WORD and every deed
and all that men covet against the law of Jesus Christ;
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Book of the Dead - translated by E. A. Wallis Budge:
I am the goddess Sekhmet, and I take my seat upon the place by
the side of Amt-ur the great wind of heaven. I am the great
Star-goddess Saah, who dwelleth among the Souls of Anu. Now as
concerning every spell, and EVERY WORD which shall be spoken
against me, every god of the Divine Company shall set himself
in opposition thereto.
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Bible (KJV):
DEUTE 8:3 . . . man doth not live by bread only, but by EVERY WORD that
proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
PROVE 14:15 The simple believeth EVERY WORD: but the prudent man looketh
well to his going.
PROVE 30:5 EVERY WORD of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put
their trust in him.
MATTH 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by
bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
MATTH 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two
more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses EVERY WORD may be
established.
LUKE 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall
not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD of God.
2 COR 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of
two or three witnesses shall EVERY WORD be established.
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Art Neuendorffer
Neuendorffer
``They were, no doubt, as fanatic and foolish as you please. If you will
read to the end--''
``Then you know that Arthur did not go on the search, because he had a
job of work to do, by the doing of which the people around him might
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Jude the Obscure - Thomas Hardy
<<He took it away into a lonely place,
and sat down on a felled elm to open it.
Ever since his first ecstasy or vision of Christminster
and its possibilities, Jude had meditated much and curiously
on the probable sort of process that was involved in turning
the expressions of one language into those of another. He concluded
that a grammar of the required tongue would contain, primarily,
a rule, prescription, or clue of the nature of a secret cipher,
which, once known, would enable him, by merely applying it, to change
at will all words of his own speech into those of the foreign one.
His childish idea was, in fact, a pushing to the extremity of
mathematical precision what is everywhere known as Grimm's Law--
an aggrandizement of rough rules to ideal completeness. Thus he
assumed that the words of the required language were always to be found
somewhere latent in the words of the given language by those who
had the art to uncover them, such art being furnished by the books
aforesaid.
When, therefore, having noted that the packet bore the postmark
of Christminster, he cut the string, opened the volumes,
and turned to the Latin grammar, which chanced to come uppermost,
he could scarcely believe his eyes.
The book was an old one--thirty years old, soiled, scribbled wantonly
over with a strange name in every variety of enmity to the letterpress,
and marked at random with dates twenty years earlier than his
own day. But this was not the cause of Jude's amazement.
He learnt for the first time that there was no law of transmutation,
as in his innocence he had supposed (there was, in some degree,
but the grammarian did not recognize it), but that every word
in both Latin and Greek was to be individually committed to memory
at the cost of years of plodding.
Jude flung down the books, lay backward along the broad trunk of the
elm,
and was an utterly miserable boy for the space of a quarter of an hour.
As he had often done before, he pulled his hat over his face and watched
the sun peering insidiously at him through the interstices of the straw.
This was Latin and Greek, then, was it this grand delusion!
The charm he had supposed in store for him was really a labour like
that of Israel in Egypt.
What brains they must have in Christminster and the great schools,
he presently thought, to learn words one by one up to tens of thousands!
There were no brains in his head equal to this business; and as
the little sun-rays continued to stream in through his hat at him,
he wished he had never seen a book, that he might never see another,
that he had never been born.
Somebody might have come along that way who would have asked
him his trouble, and might have cheered him by saying that his
notions were further advanced than those of his grammarian.
But nobody did come, because nobody does; and under the crushing
recognition of his gigantic error Jude continued to wish himself
out of the world.>>
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Art Neuendorffer
Neuendorffer
Hard Cash - Charles Reade:
"Now, Mr. Baker," said Vane, "what do you say to all this?"
Baker smiled with admirable composure, and replied with crafty
moderation, "He is a gentleman, and believes EVERY WORD he says;
but it is all his delusions.
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Eustace Diamonds - Anthony Trollope:
``They were, no doubt, as fanatic and foolish as you please.
If you will read to the end--''
``I have read it all--EVERY WORD of it,'' said Lizzie enthusiastically.
``Then you know that Arthur did not go on the search, because he had a
job of work to do, by the doing of which the people around him might
perhaps be somewhat benefited.''
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Jude the Obscure - Thomas Hardy
<<He took it away into a lonely place,
He learnt for the first time that there was no law of transmutation,
as in his innocence he had supposed (there was, in some degree,
but the grammarian did not recognize it), but that every word
in both Latin and Greek was to be individually committed to memory
at the cost of years of plodding.
Jude flung down the books, lay backward along the broad trunk of the
elm, and was an utterly miserable boy for the space of a quarter of an
Neuendorffer
christian rosencreuz wrote:
> All I can think, having surveyed Neuendorffer's posts for a while
> when searching for Rosicrucian historical materials and discussion on
> Usenet, is that if this person regards Neuendorffer as the type of
> 'scholar' she wants on her list, then you may well be better off
> elsewhere.
>
> You can see the jumps in logic in everything Neuendorffer writes.
> Everything is connected for him, every word has a subliminal meaning.
> Rosencreuz = Rosencrantz = RObinSON CRUSoe
> R+C
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Q1 Rossencraft Guilderstone
Q2 Rosencrans Guyldensterne
F1 Rosincrane Guildensterne
F2,3,4 Rosincross(e) Guildenstare
Rosicrucian => Rosy Cross
Freemason => Stone Guild / the Craft
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Many Elizabethans (e.g., John Dee, Edward Dyer & Francis Bacon)
were Rosicrucians {Rosencrantz => Rosenkreutz}
In Folio's 2,3, & 4 Rosencrantz was ROSINCROSS
[In the first Quarto ROSINCROSS is Rossen(CRAFT)!]
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"Is there no ROSIN in GILEAD?"
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http://www.gilanet.com/jrservice/biblef.html
E) The ROSIN Bible, 1609, printed the same verse,
"Is there no ROSIN in GILEAD?"
D) The TREACLE Bible, 1568, printed Jer. 8:22,
"Is there no TREACLE in GILEAD?"
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GAD's Hill
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<<GILEAD hill of testimony, (Gen. 31:21), a mountainous region east
of Jordan. From its mountainous character it is called "the mount
of GILEAD" (Gen. 31:25). It is called also "the land of GILEAD"
(Num.32:1), and sometimes simply "GILEAD" (Ps. 60:7; Gen. 37:25).
It comprised the possessions of the tribes of GAD and Reuben
and the south part of Manasseh (Deut. 3:13; Num. 32:40).>>
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POINS But, my lads, my lads, to-morrow morning, by four
o'clock, early at GADSHILL! there are pilgrims going
to Canterbury with rich offerings, and traders
riding to London with fat purses: I have vizards
for you all; you have horses for yourselves:
GADSHILL lies to-night in Rochester:
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Lord Burghley received a letter complaining of Oxford's compatriots
committing robbery on the same highway in May, 1573
(The fourteenth year of the reign of Elizabeth Regina).
The precursor to Shake-speare's _Henry IV_:
_The Famous Victories of Henry the Fift_
has Prince Hal's compatriots committing highway robbery on
"the 20th day of May last in the fourteenth year of the reign
of our sovereign lord King Henry the Fourth" (May 20, 1413).
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Hal's pal's => highway men between Gravesend & Rochester May 20,1413(J.)
Henry VIII marries Seymour the day after Boleyn executed May 20,1536(J.)
ED's pal's => highway men between Gravesend & Rochester May ??,1573(J.)
Ritual "murder of" Marlowe May 20,1593(J.)
Saturn/Venus conjunction May 20,1593(J.)
1001st. Ramadan Solar Eclipse (total over Libya) May 20,1593(J.)
1002nd. Ramadan Solar Eclipse May 20,1594(G.)
Anthony & Cleopatra and Pericles registered (Ed.Blount) May 20,1608(J.)
Shakespeares Sonnets registered (T. Thorpe) May 20,1609(J.)
Solar Eclipse (total over Shetlands) May 20,1612(J.)
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King Henry the Fourth
Born: c.30 May 1366, Bolingbrooke Castle, Lincolnshire
Died: 20 Mar 1413, Westminster Abbey, London, England
Interred: Canterbury Cathedral, Canterbury, Kent
<<Henry, ailing from leprosy and epilepsy, watched as Prince Henry
controlled the government for the last two years of his reign.
In 1413, Henry died in the Jerusalem Chamber of Westminster Abbey.>>
http://www.britannia.com/history/monarchs/mon34.html
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<<Many times he fell into those things [that] could not
escape laughter, as when he said in the person of Caesar,
one speaking to him, "Caesar thou dost me wrong".
He replied, "CAESAR NEVER DID WR-ong
, but with just cause",
and such like, which were ridiculous.>> -- Ben Jonson
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[CAESAR NEVER DID WR]ong
[EDWARD VERE'S CAIRN]
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CAIRN, n. [Date: 15th century: Gael. carn, gen. cairn, a heap: cf. Ir.
& W. carn.] 1. A rounded or conical HEAP OF STONES erected by early
inhabitants of the British Isles, apparently as a sepulchral monument.
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* Mizpah * or Miz'peh, watch-tower; the look-out. A place in GILEAD,
so named by Laban, who overtook Jacob at this spot (Gen. 31:49)
on his return to Palestine from Padan-aram. Here Jacob and (his
father-in-law) Laban set up their memorial CAIRN of stones.
Jegar-sahadutha pile of testimony, the Aramaic or Syriac name which
Laban gave to the pile of stones erected as a memorial of the
covenant between him and Jacob (Gen. 31:47), who, however,
called it in Hebrew by an equivalent name, GALEED.
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1 KINGS 17
1 And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of GILEAD, said
unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there
shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word. And the
word of the LORD came unto him, saying, Get thee hence, and turn thee
eastward, and hide thyself by the BROOK CHERITH, that is before JORDAN.
And it shall be, that thou shalt drink of the BROOK; and I have
commanded the ravens to feed thee there. So he went and did according
unto the word of the LORD: for he went and dwelt by the BROOK Cherith,
that is before JORDAN.
6 And the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and
bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the BROOK. And it came
to pass after a while, that the BROOK dried up, because there had been
no rain in the land.
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<<In April 1808 _The Gentleman's Magazine_ printed an engraving by
John JORDAN, the early myth-making Stratford antiquarian, showing
a 'View of the BROOK HOUSE, in which it is generally admitted that
Shakspeare was really born'.>> - p. 63 _Who Wrote Shakespeare?_
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<<CHERITH: a cutting; separation; a gorge, a torrent-bed or
winter-stream, a "BROOK," in whose banks the prophet Elijah hid himself
during the early part of the three years' drought (1 Kings 17:3, 5).
If the prophet's interview with Ahab was in Samaria, and he thence
journeyed toward the east, it is probable that he crossed Jordan and
found refuge in some of the ravines of Gilead. The "BROOK" is said to
have been "before JORDAN," which probably means that it opened toward
that river, into which it flowed.>>
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> ______________
> / \
> John ----------- Mary Margy---Alex
> [could write | [could write Webbe | Webbe
> his 'marke'] | her 'marke'] |
> | Robert Webbe
> ___________
> / \ [illiter.]
> Mar(g)y Shakspere ------------------ Anne
> [Top 10 in comedy (1598)] | b. 1556
> [BROOK House] |
> [£1,000/year income] |
> [Lessor of Blackfriars |
> Theatre] |
> |
> SUSanna ----- Hall M.D.
> b. May 26
> [could write name]
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> ____________
> / \
> John ----------- Mar(g)y Art
> | [Metamorphoses]
> |
> | "Polonius"
> ___________ buried daughter
> / \ |
> Mary Oxford ------------------ Anne
> [Top 10 in comedy (1598)] | b. 1556
> [BROOKE House] |
> [£1,000/year income] |
> [Lessor of Blackfriars |
> Theatre] |
> |
> SUSan ----- Herb. Folio
> b. May 26 dedicatee
> Jaggard dedicatee
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Sir Ralph Sadler (1507–87)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> <<Visit by boat the beautifully situated Inchmahome Priory.
> The 5 year-old Mary Queen of Scots was sent here for safety
> following the battle of Pinkie in 1547.>>
>
> <<Ralph Sadler distinguished himself at the battle of Pinkie (1547).
> He retired during the reign of Queen Mary I, but after Elizabeth I’s
> accession (Nov. 17, 1558) he became an agent of William Cecil (later
> Lord Burghley) and was sent (1559) to form an English alliance with the
> Protestant party in Scotland. In 1568 he was a member of the tribunal
> appointed to adjudicate between Mary Queen of Scots and her subjects. He
> was frequently employed to carry messages to the captive queen, and in
> 1584 he reluctantly undertook the guardianship of Mary. He was relieved
> of the task the following year. Sadler's dispatches, which were edited
> by Sir Walter Scott as the Sadler Papers in 1809, throw much light on
> Scottish affairs during the reign of Queen Mary and the early years of
> the reign of James VI.>> Columbia Encyclopedia: Sixth Edition.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1) Oxford's BROOKE House was once owned (1547-8) by Sir Ralph Sadler.
>
> <<In April 1808 _The Gentleman's Magazine_ printed an engraving by
> John Jordan, the early myth-making Stratford antiquarian, showing
> a 'View of the BROOK HOUSE, in which it is generally admitted that
> Shakspeare was really born'.>> - p. 63 _Who Wrote Shakespeare?_
>
> 2) Shakspere named his kids after neighbors: Hamnet & Judith Sadler.
>
> The Apocryphal 'Judith' & 'Susanna' were both invoked by the Catholic
> Bishop of Ross in describing the virtues of Mary Queen of Scots
> during her 1586 trial (& de Vere was there).
> - p.89 Shakespeare a life by Park Honan.
>
> 3) John Harvard's wife/widow Ann was a Sadler.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
Art Neuendorffer
tigerspirit
> For some years a woman named Nina Green has been running
> an e-mail discussion group devoted to Oxfordian talk, which
> has been welcome except that she is something of a tyrant, the
> supreme editor of the group named Phaeton.
>
> She has just kicked me off the list again for the third time, and
> this time for good. The trouble is, I have brought up arguments
> that don't suit her, so she shuts down the argument or kicks me
> off the line.
Nina Green
N "i nag" reen
<sorry nina!>
and note the initials N.G. <ng, newsgroup!>
moreover, isn't Phaeton an odd choice for the name of a group??
<he crashed the sun-chariot>
tigerspirit
Neuendorffer
> moreover, isn't Phaeton an odd choice for the name of a group??
> <he crashed the sun-chariot>
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Yes, but it is simpler than "Emaricdulfe"
http://www.sobran.com/emar.shtml
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http://www.everreader.com/phaeton.htm
Phaeton to his Friend Florio
Sweet friend, whose name agrees with thy increase
How fit a rival art thou of the spring!
For when each branch hath left his flourishing,
And green-locked summer's shady pleasures cease,
She makes the winter's storms repose in peace
And spends her franchise on each living thing:
The daisies spout, the little birds do sing,
Herbs, gums, and plants do vaunt of their release.
So when that all our English wits lay dead
(Except the laurel that is evergreen)
Thou with thy fruits our barrenness o'erspread
And set thy flowery pleasance to be seen.
Such fruits, such flowerets of morality
Were ne'er befroe brought out of Italy.
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Southampton, perhaps?
Footnote 4, page 951, chapter 68, This Star of England: "That
Southampton was indeed a poet of sorts is indicated by a sonnet
addressed to his friend and protege, John Florio, which most critics
have suspected Shakespeare himself wrote. The 'Phaeton' of the
title and the pun in line 10 present the recognizable symbolism."
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Art Neuendorffer
DerColin
>
>> All I can think, having surveyed Neuendorffer's posts for a while
>> when searching for Rosicrucian historical materials and discussion on
>> Usenet, is that if this person regards Neuendorffer as the type of
>> 'scholar' she wants on her list, then you may well be better off
>> elsewhere.
>>
>> You can see the jumps in logic in everything Neuendorffer writes.
>> Everything is connected for him, every word has a subliminal meaning.
>
>> Rosencreuz = Rosencrantz = RObinSON CRUSoe
>> R+C
>------------------------------------------------------------------
> Q1 Rossencraft Guilderstone
> Q2 Rosencrans Guyldensterne
> F1 Rosincrane Guildensterne
> F2,3,4 Rosincross(e) Guildenstare
>
> Rosicrucian => Rosy Cross
> Freemason => Stone Guild / the Craft
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
> Many Elizabethans (e.g., John Dee, Edward Dyer & Francis Bacon)
> were Rosicrucians {Rosencrantz => Rosenkreutz}
> In Folio's 2,3, & 4 Rosencrantz was ROSINCROSS
> [In the first Quarto ROSINCROSS is Rossen(CRAFT)!]
>
Actually, if we accept Art's transcriptions as correct without checking (which
I'm willing to do, hey), he makes a good argument that the name choices were
not simply based on common names or known people (though such a pair of men
might have inspired the author at some point.) Interesting to consider,
though, taking this analogy further, is that it implies that the author did not
think much of either R or G, and it is hardly supportive of the idea that a
Rosicrucian or Masonic group ("conspiracy", if you like) was involved -- at
least at this point of the oeuvre -- in the Shakespeare project...
Neuendorffer
> >
> >> All I can think, having surveyed Neuendorffer's posts for a while
> >> when searching for Rosicrucian historical materials and discussion on
> >> Usenet, is that if this person regards Neuendorffer as the type of
> >> 'scholar' she wants on her list, then you may well be better off
> >> elsewhere.
> >>
> >> You can see the jumps in logic in everything Neuendorffer writes.
> >> Everything is connected for him, every word has a subliminal meaning.
> >
> >> Rosencreuz = Rosencrantz = RObinSON CRUSoe
> >> R+C
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Q1 Rossencraft Guilderstone
> > Q2 Rosencrans Guyldensterne
> > F1 Rosincrane Guildensterne
> > F2,3,4 Rosincross(e) Guildenstare
> >
> > Rosicrucian => Rosy Cross
> > Freemason => Stone Guild / the Craft
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Many Elizabethans (e.g., John Dee, Edward Dyer & Francis Bacon)
> > were Rosicrucians {Rosencrantz => Rosenkreutz}
> > In Folio's 2,3, & 4 Rosencrantz was ROSINCROSS
> > [In the first Quarto ROSINCROSS is Rossen(CRAFT)!]
> >
>
> Actually, if we accept Art's transcriptions as correct without checking (which
> I'm willing to do, hey), he makes a good argument that the name choices were
> not simply based on common names or known people (though such a pair of men
> might have inspired the author at some point.) Interesting to consider,
> though, taking this analogy further, is that it implies that the author did not
> think much of either R or G, and it is hardly supportive of the idea that a
> Rosicrucian or Masonic group ("conspiracy", if you like) was involved -- at
> least at this point of the oeuvre -- in the Shakespeare project...
They were (and still are) involved in the coverup.
Their job was to obliterate all traces of Oxford as author.
Art Neuendorffer
David L. Webb
the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]]
In article <3BD7602B...@erols.com>, Neuendorffer <ph...@erols.com>
(ph...@errors.comedy) wrote:
Then why didn't the Masonic/Rosucrucian/Illuminati/Templar coVERup
conspiracy obliterate "Agnes a gob," "To them, my OM, by de Vere
(fool)," "I kill Edwasd de Vese," and all the other crackpot codes and
asinine anagrams whose presence you hallucinate so vividly, Art?
David Webb
Neuendorffer
> Neuendorffer <ph...@erols.com> wrote:
> > They were (and still are) involved in the coverup.
> >
> > Their job was to obliterate all traces of Oxford as author.
"David L. Webb" wrote:
>
> Then why didn't the Masonic/Rosucrucian/Illuminati/Templar coVERup
> conspiracy obliterate "Agnes a gob," "To them, my OM, by de Vere
> (fool)," "I kill Edwasd de Vese," and all the other crackpot codes and
> asinine anagrams whose presence you hallucinate so vividly, Art?
They figured that (as a last resort) they can always effectively
suppress it with derogatory language & ad hominems , Dave.
Art Neuendorffer
tigerspirit
Thanks, Art, for the links and the sonnet, I have
really enjoyed
all three!
I note someone on the first linked page
refers to Emaricdulfe as a pseudonym
here's a good deciphering!
Emaricdulfe
(anagram) Clue: I am Fred
could this be what's been waited for??!
tigerspirit (like to see someone do better!)
tigerspirit
the deciphering myself!
Emaricdulfe (several anagrams follow)
Fame! I curled! (their hair, no doubt)
Faced Muriel ??
Lurid? face me!
Lure dame? I, CF
dim cafe? lure
Face dim rule ??
tigerspirit
Neuendorffer
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EMARICDULFE
MADE LUCIFER
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King Henry IV, Part i Act 2, Scene 4
FALSTAFF My own knee! when I was about thy years, Hal, I was
not an eagle's talon in the waist; I could have
crept into any alderman's thumb-ring: a plague of
sighing and grief! it blows a man up like a
bladder. There's villanous news abroad: here was
Sir John Bracy from your father; you must to the
court in the morning. That same mad fellow of the
north, Percy, and he of Wales, that gave Amamon the
bastinado and MADE LUCIFER cuckold and swore the
devil his true liegeman upon the cross of a Welsh
hook--what a plague call you him?
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Art Neuendorffer
Neuendorffer
The Mystery of Emaricdulfe
(Reprinted from SOBRAN’S, January 1998, pp. 5–6)
<<While browsing through a couple of poetry anthologies, I ran across a
few sonnets, author unknown, from an Elizabethan sonnet cycle oddly
titled Emaricdulfe, published in 1595. I was already sure that the Earl
of Oxford, better known as “William Shakespeare,” had written the lovely
sonnet published under the mythological name “Phaeton” in 1591; could he
have written these too?
I soon found the complete text of Emaricdulfe, and an hour with the 40
sonnets was enough to convince me that
Shakespeare -- that is, Oxford -- had indeed written it. I was amazed,
ecstatic.
The style, though erratic, was sufficient. But there also were details
that had close matches in the Shakespeare works. The more I studied the
poems, the more Shakespearean parallels I found. Eventually I identified
more than 200 -- five per sonnet, or one every three lines!
At this point even my most devoted readers must be skeptical. So allow
me to present some of the evidence.
Number 24 of the 40 sonnets is the most vivid and interesting example:
1. Oft have I heard honey-tongu’d ladies speak,
2. Striving their amorous courtiers to enchant,
3. And from their nectar lips such sweet words break,
4. As neither art nor heavenly skill did want.
5. But when Emaricdulfe gins to discourse,
6. Her words are more than well-tun’d harmony,
7. And every sentence of a greater force
8. Than Mermaids’ song, or Sirens’ sorcery;
9. And if to hear her speak, Laertes’ heir
10. The wise Ulysses liv’d us now among,
11. From her sweet words he could not stop his ear,
12. As from the Sirens’ and the Mermaids’ song;
13. And had she in the Sirens’ place but stood,
14. Her heavenly voice had drown’d him in the flood.
Obviously “Emaricdulfe” is a code name.>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> EMARICDULFE
> MADE LUCIFER
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> King Henry IV, Part i Act 2, Scene 4
>
> FALSTAFF My own knee! when I was about thy years, Hal, I was
> not an eagle's talon in the waist; I could have
> crept into any alderman's thumb-ring: a plague of
> sighing and grief! it blows a man up like a
> bladder. There's villanous news abroad: here was
> Sir John Bracy from your father; you must to the
> court in the morning. That same mad fellow of the
> north, Percy, and he of Wales, that gave Amamon the
> bastinado and MADE LUCIFER cuckold and swore the
> devil his true liegeman upon the cross of a Welsh
> hook--what a plague call you him?
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The Mystery of Emaricdulfe
(Reprinted from SOBRAN’S, January 1998, pp. 5–6)
<<The style and themes are equally Shakespearean; these lines, with
their wistful reflection on beauty and mortality, would be at home among
the 1609 Sonnets:
O foolish nature, why didst thou create
A thing so fair, if fairness be neglected?
But fairest things be subject unto fate,
And in the end are by the fates rejected.
If any doubt remains, consider some parallel lines and phrases from E.C.
and Shakespeare (WS):
EC: “A beauteous issue of a beauteous mother.”
WS: “Sweet issue of a more sweet- smelling sire”; “When your sweet issue
your sweet form should bear.”
EC: “Fair-springing branch sprung of a hopeful stock.”
WS: “That from his loins no hopeful branch might spring.”
EC: “For nature of the gods is to be merciful.”
WS: “Wilt thou draw near the nature of the gods? Draw near them then in
being merciful.”
EC: “The stars that spangle heaven with glistering beauty.”
WS: “What stars do spangle heaven with such beauty?”
EC: “to yield Them coward captives.”
WS: “The coward captive vanquished doth yield.”
EC: “a ship on Neptune’s back.”
WS: “o’er green Neptune’s back With ships made cities.”
EC: “True badge of faith.”
WS: “the badge of faith to prove them true.”
EC: “So pure a chest pure treasure may contain.”
WS: “Some purer chest to close a purer mind.”
EC: “in her heart enthroned.”
WS: “enthroned in the hearts of kings”; “enthroned In your dear heart.”
EC: “eyes that gaze upon thy beauty”;
WS: “an eye to gaze on beauty.”
EC: “my heart’s deep grief and sorrow”;
WS: “grief and sorrow still embrace his heart.”
EC: “love-lacking Vesta”;
WS: “love-lacking vestals.”
EC: “modest Diana”;
WS: “modest Dian.”
EC: “love-choking lust”;
WS: “choked by unresisted lust.”
EC: “the high house of fame”;
WS: “the house of fame.”
EC: “virtuous monuments”;
WS: “virtuous monument.”
EC: “heavenly mould”;
WS: “moulds from heaven.”
EC: “bastard of nature”;
WS: “nature’s bastards.”
EC: “my yielding heart”;
WS: “my unyielding heart.”
EC: “in wealthy nature’s scorn”;
WS: “in scorn of nature.”
EC: “heavenly shape”;
WS: “a shape of heaven.”
EC: “plough the seas”;
WS: “plough’st the foam.”
EC: “rich jewels”;
WS: “rich jewel.”
EC: “the whistling winds”;
WS: “the whistling wind.”
EC: “changed his hue”;
WS: “change this hue.”
EC: “christen anew”;
WS: “new-christened.”
EC: “love’s purity”;
WS: “purity in love.”
EC: “love-kindled”;
WS: “love-kindling.”
EC: “chaste vows”;
WS: “vowed chaste life.”
EC: “Juno for state”;
WS: “highest queen of state, Great Juno.”
EC: “higher strain”;
WS: “high strains.”
EC: “heavenly gifts”;
WS: “heavenly gift.”
EC: “so sweet a saint”;
WS: “sweet saint.”
EC: “there all enraged”;
WS: “here all enraged.”
EC: “high pitch”;
WS: “higher pitch.”
EC: “death’s ebon gates”;
WS: “death’s ebon dart.”
EC: “richest treasure”;
WS: “rich treasure.”
EC: “true types”;
WS: “true type.”
E.C. and Shakespeare use identical phrases, including these:
“the world’s report,”
“sweet repose,”
“golden slumber,”
“virtue’s nest,”
“holy fire,”
“hell-born,”
“endless date,”
“deep unrest,”
“golden tresses,”
“cruel death,”
“suffer shipwreck,”
“pretty action,”
“ten times happy,”
“snow- white,”
“true constancy,”
“several graces,”
“well-deserving,”
“lily hand,”
“honey sweet,”
“outward graces,”
“honey breath,”
“the golden sun,”
“weal and woe,”
“sacred beauty,” and
“princely beauty.”>>
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"Within her hair Venus and Cupid sport them"
Within her hair Venus and Cupid sport them;
Some time they twist it, amber-like, in gold,
To which the whistling winds do oft resort them,
As if they strove to have the knots unrolled;
Some time they let their golden tresses dangle,
And therewith nets and amorous gins they make
Wherewith the hearts of lovers to entangle,
Which once enthralled, no ransom they will take.
But as two tyrants sitting in their thrones
Look on their slaves with tyrannizing eyes;
So they, no whit regarding lovers' moans,
Doom worlds of hearts to endless slaveries
Unless they subject-like swear to adore
And serve Emaricdulfe forevermore.
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"I am enchanted with thy snow-white hands"
I am enchanted with thy snow-white hands
That maze me with their quaint dexterity,
And with their touch tie in a thousand bands
My yielding heart ever to honor thee;
Thought of thy dainty fingers long and small,
For pretty action that exceed compare,
Sufficient is to bless me, and withal
To free my chainéd thoughts from sorrow's snare.
But that which crowns my soul with heavenly bliss,
And gives my heart fruition of all joys,
Their dainty concord and sweet music is,
That poisons grief and cureth all annoys.
Those eyes that see, those ears are blest that hear
These heavenly gifts of nature in my dear.
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"My heart is like a ship on Neptune's back"
My heart is like a ship on Neptune's back;
Thy beauty is the sea where my ship saileth;
Thy frowns the surges are that threat my wrack,
Thy smiles the winds that on my sails soft galeth.
Long tossed betwixt fair hope and foul despair,
My sea-sick heart, arrivéd on thy shore--
Thy love, I mean--begs that he may repair
His broken vessel with thy bounteous store.
Dido relieved Aeneas in distress,
And lent him love, and gave to him her heart;
If half such bounty thou to me express,
From thy fair shore I never will depart,
But thank kind fortune that my course did sort
To suffer shipwreck on so sweet a port.
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Art Neuendorffer
Greg Reynolds
So bogus. This poem is outside the realm
of Shakespeare's sonnets.
Nowhere in his sonnets would Shakespeare
make these little "observations" or tell
of a tangible experience.
Nowhere in the sonnets does Shakespeare
build the poem in 3rd person terms. (Read
the sonnets, Sobran.) Nowhere in the sonnets
can you find any actual descriptions in
concrete terms of anyone other than "you"
or "I."
Nowhere in the sonnets would Shakespeare
use a proper name of a person.
Greg Reynolds
Neuendorffer
_PARADISE LOST_ by John Milton
<<Know then, that after LUCIFER from Heav'n
(So call him, brighter once amidst the Host
Of Angels, then that STARR the STARRS among)
Fell with his flaming Legions through the Deep
Into his place, and the great Son returnd
Victorious with his Saints, th' Omnipotent
Eternal Father from his Throne beheld
Thir multitude, and to his Son thus spake.
At least our ENVIOUS Foe hath fail'd, who thought
All like himself rebellious, by whose aid
This inaccessible high strength, the seat >>
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LUCIFER - Prince of the East,
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http://www.california.com/~rpcman/lucifer.htm
<<"LUCIFER makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old
Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How
art thou fallen from heaven, O LUCIFER, son of the morning! How art thou
cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!">> -- Robinson
<<In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not
about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his
lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention
of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only
speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue
used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the
story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in
the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "LUCIFER."
The scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into
current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions
translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had
mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as
"LUCIFER," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. LUCIFER
the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule
eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth
with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition LUCIFER is now
the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of
Darkness. So "LUCIFER" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for
the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for
Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used
as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as
the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to
testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the
offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.">>
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North by Northwest
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The Mysteries of Babylon and Pagan Sabbaths by Deborah Taylor
http://hope-of-israel.org/Mystbab.htm
<<LUCIFER is seated on the MOUNTAIN OF FEASTS/APPOINTED TIMES to
deceive, as is found in Isaiah 14:13: "For thou (LUCIFER) has said in
thine heart, 'I will ascend into heaven; I will exalt my throne above
the stars of El; I WILL SIT ALSO UPON THE MOUNT OF THE APPOINTED
TIMES/FESTIVALS on the sides of the NORTH." In the King James
"appointed times" is translated as "congregation;" the Hebrew word
is moed in Strong's Concordance, which can also refer to the
appointed festivals of Jahwah. "NORTH" is the word tsaphon which
also means "hidden;" it is from the word tsaphan which means
TO HIDE BY COVERING OVER; KEEP SECRET. LUCIFER is hiding Jahwah's
true Sabbaths by covering them over. It is also interesting to
take note of the name "LUCIFER." The name is from 1984 halal
which means "to shine" or "give light."
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<<The actual name, "LUCifer," goes back to the Greeks, before the
Romans. Socrates and Plato talk about this "god of light"; surprisingly,
not in the context of Eos (god of Dawn), but -- as a morning star --
juxtaposed with the sun (Helios) and Hermes. This information can be
found in Plato's Timaeus.">> -- F.T. DeAngelis
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EVIL WILUCL DRAZIW
VERO DROFXO WIZARD
boustrophedontic cryptogram:
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
ZYXWVUTSRQPONMLKJIHGFEDCBA
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http://www.dragoncourt.org/ringasset/ch1_04.asp
The Stag of Windsor
<<Before Elizabeth was crowned by Bishops, she underwent coronation by
the people. Attending the ceremony were a host of "Wild Forest Dwellers"
who'd come to bless the new Queen. Later in her reign she attended a
curious ceremony in the Forest of Windsor Great Park. Seated before a
pavilion in a clearing one Spring morning Queen Elizabeth, with her
complicity and consent presided over one of the most ancient druidic and
shamanic ceremonies in Eurasian culture. A ceremony that harkened back
to the time when much of Britain and the continent was covered by
massive forests, namely the trial and accession of the King of the
Caille Daouine, the Lord of the Forest.
The King of the Forest is the Stag of Nine Tines. In the lays of Robin
Hood Robin himself is revealed as the Green Stag and the Totem is
repreatedly interwoven into the fabric of ancient northern Kingship. In
pre-christian and non-christian Europe, to claim the Kingship of the
vast greenwood, the pretender was obliged to ride and kill whilst
mounted, the great Stag of Nine Tines. This task was possibly one of the
most dangerous stunts anyone could pull. During the Spring Rut the Stag
is vicious, belligerent and half mad with lust and territorial rage.
Getting anywhere near him was a feat of courage in 'itself. However, to
be rightly invested with the true kingship of the Forest Peoples, it was
necessary first to depose the reigning monarch, the Great Stag.
On the spring Morning in question one of Elizabeth's favourites, the
Queen's Chamberlain Edward de Vere charged into the self same clearing
mounted upon the great Stag of Windsor Forest. Its throat had been cut
by the rider and he and the Stag came to an abrupt halt at the Queen's
feet. Edward de Vere was the premier Count of England and the senior
Peer of the Realm. His lineage was far superior to that of Elizabeth, he
descended from the the House of Anjou, from Melusine and the ancient
Pictish and Danann druid Kings of Gaul, Albany and Eire. A necromancer,
anti-christian and libertine, Edward had contempt for the Tudors. He was
student of Dr John Dee and it is still insisted that Edward was the true
William Shakespeare, whose work is teaming with stories of Elphame and
Magic. Shakespeares Oberon is Alberic whose name literally means Elf
King, whilst his Titania is Diana, whose Druidic, woad coloured Boar
wears her crescent Moon upon its flank in the crest of the ancient
family of Vere. Three of Edward's recent ancestors had borne the name
Alberic and the first of them in England had adopted also the falling
star of LUCIFER as a badge to denote, as Verily Anderson expresses it,
the Vere's "near divinity" as descendants of the line of priest kingship
that originated with the first Elf King - Samael or LUCIFER.>>
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LUCIFER lux "light" + ferre "to bring"
[LUCRECE = "to bring light"]
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EMARICDULFE
MADE LUCIFER
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King Henry IV, Part i Act 2, Scene 4
FALSTAFF My own knee! when I was about thy years, Hal, I was
not an eagle's talon in the waist; I could have
crept into any alderman's thumb-ring: a plague of
sighing and grief! it blows a man up like a
bladder. There's villanous news abroad: here was
Sir John Bracy from your father; you must to the
court in the morning. That same mad fellow of the
north, Percy, and he of Wales, that gave Amamon the
bastinado and MADE LUCIFER cuckold and swore the
devil his true liegeman upon the cross of a Welsh
hook--what a plague call you him?
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There are 6 LUCIFER's in Shakespeare.
The chance of any given Shakespeare word being MADE or DAME ~ 1/1,000
The chance of MADE or DAME being adjacent to LUCIFER ~ 1/80.
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http://www.masonicinfo.com/lucifer.htm
<<Few quotes in the history of mankind have attracted the attention
of so many as the quote from Pike's Morals & Dogma which reads:
"LUCIFER, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light,
and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual,
or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!">>
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Edward de Vere. 1550-1604
THE MEETING WITH DESIRE.
The lively lark stretched forth her wing
The messenger of Morning bright;
And with her cheerful voice did sing
The Day's approach, discharging Night;
When that Aurora blushing red,
Descried the guilt of Thetis' bed.
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> _ BILLY BUDD_
> by Herman Melville
>
> <<Captain the Honorable Edward Fairfax Vere, to give his full title,
> was a bachelor of forty or thereabouts, a sailor of distinction even
> in a time prolific of renowned seamen. Though allied to the higher
> nobility, his advancement had not been altogether owing to influences
> connected with that circumstance. He had seen much service,
> been in various engagements, always acquitting himself as an
> officer mindful of the welfare of his men, but never tolerating an
> infraction of discipline; thoroughly versed in the science of his
> profession, and intrepid to the verge of temerity, though never
> injudiciously so. For his gallantry in the West Indian waters as
> Flag-Lieutenant under Rodney in that Admiral's crowning victory over
> De Grasse, he was made a Post-Captain.
>
> In the navy he was popularly known by the appellation- Starry
> Vere. How such a designation happened to fall upon one who, whatever
> his sterling qualities, was without any brilliant ones was in this
> wise: A favorite kinsman, Lord Denton, a free-hearted fellow, had been
> the first to meet and congratulate him upon his return to England from
> his West Indian cruise; and but the day previous turning over a copy
> of Andrew Marvell's poems, had lighted, not for the first time
> however, upon the lines entitled Appleton House, the name of one of
> the seats of their common ancestor, a hero in the German wars of the
> seventeenth century, in which poem occur the lines,
>
> "This 'tis to have been from the first
> In a domestic heaven nursed,
> Under the discipline seVERE
> Of Fairfax and the starry VERE."
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A Midsummer Night's Dream Act 3, Scene 1
FLUTE Most radiant Pyramus, most lily-white of hue,
Of colour like the red rose on triumphant brier,
Most brisky juvenal and eke most lovely Jew,
As true as truest horse that yet would never tire,
I'll meet thee, Pyramus, at NINNY's tomb.
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[http://www.benabraham.com/html/illuminati_-_1a.html]
<<Nimrod, who built Nineveh, was worshipped by its early inhabitants
under his deified name "Ninus." He was first to incite people to war
with their neighbors after the confusion of tongues had scattered the
early descendants of Noah over the earth. TROGUS POMPEIUS states that
the first King of Nineveh caused the people to war against themselves:
" 'Ninus, king of Assyrians,' says TROGUS POMPEIUS epitomised by
Justin, 'first of all changed the contented moderation of the ancient
manners, incited by a new passion, the desire of conquest. He was the
first who carried on war against his neighbours and he conquered all
nations from Assyria to Lybia, as they were yet unacquainted with the
arts of war. . . Ninus armed a considerable number of young men that
were brave and vigorous like himself, trained them up a long time in
laborious exercises and hardships, and by that means accustomed them to
bear the fatigues of war, and to face dangers with intrepidity.' ".>>
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May 1564 _Th' Abridgement of the histories of TROGUS POMPEIUS_
-- by Arthur Golding
Dedication to Edward deVere:
<<It is not unknown to others, and I have had experience thereof myself,
how earnest a desire your honour hath NATURALLY graffed in you to read,
peruse, and communicate with others as well the histories of ancient
times . . . and that without a certain pregnancy of wit and ripeness of
understanding.>>
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<<So this bright coin came from a country planted
in the middle of the world, and beneath the great equator,
and named after it; and it had been cast midway up the Andes,
in the unwaning clime that knows no autumn. Zoned by those letters you
saw the likeness of three Andes' summits; from one a flame; a tower on
another; on the third a crowing cock; while arching over all was a
segment of the partitioned ZODIAC, the signs all marked with their
usual cabalistics, and the keystone sun entering the equinoctial
point at Libra.
Before this equatorial coin, Ahab, not unobserved by others, was now
pausing.
"There's something ever egotistical in mountain-tops and towers, and
all other grand and lofty things; look here,- three peaks as proud
as LUCIFER. The firm tower, that is Ahab; the volcano, that is Ahab;
the courageous, the undaunted, and victorious fowl, that, too, is
Ahab; all are Ahab; and this round gold is but the image of the
rounder globe, which, like a magician's glass, to each and every man
in turn but mirrors back his own mysterious self.
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[http://www.benabraham.com/html/illuminati_-_1a.html]
<<In the Babylonian myth of Tammuz, or Thammuz (the equivalent to the
Egyptian god Osiris, who actually was Nimrod, the ringleader in the
great apostacy against our Lord, was ordered to be killed by a certain
king. The reason given for his death was that Tammuz, the incarnation of
the Sun-god, tried to promote the worship of Astrology to this certain
king. However, this king ordered him to be put to death.
As history has documented, that greatest object in pagan worship was the
sun, who was symbolized all over the world as a heavenly bull. The
pagans displayed the cosmic god in their arts as a bull standing on its
hind legs with a tail, hoofs and horns, with a man's head and arms, with
a threeprong pitchfork in his hand. So the ancient cosmic symbol of the
Sun-god, with hoofs, a tail, horns and a pitchfork, is where we today
get our symbol for Satan as having hoofs, a tail, and horns, with a
pitchfork in his hand.>>
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(c)HRIST.MA. <=> MITHRAS
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C(o)M (e d i e s)
H I S T (o r i e s)
(t) R A (g e d i e s)
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> 5) Mithras' companion Cautopates
> traditionally holds an INVERTED TORCH:
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Peter Farey wrote:
>
> <<In Act II Scene 2 of Pericles, when the four Knights are
> presenting their 'devices' at the lists, the fourth one has
>
> "A burning torch that’s turnéd upside down.
> The word, Qui me alit me extinguit.">>
>
> <<in the Introduction to Charles Nicholl's 'The Reckoning', when
> referring to the putative portrait of Christopher Marlowe in
> Corpus Christi, Cambridge. He says:
>
> "There is also the motto, inscribed in the top left-hand
> corner of the portrait: 'Quod me nutrit me destruit'.
> 'That which nourishes me also destroys me.'
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THE TRAGICAL HISTORY OF DOCTOR FAUSTUS
BY CHRISTOPHER MARLOWE
FROM THE QUARTO OF 1616.
MEPHIST. I am a servant to great LUCIFER,
And may not follow thee without his leave:
No more than he commands must we perform.
FAUSTUS. Tell me what is that LUCIFER thy lord?
MEPHIST. Arch-regent and commander of all spirits.
MEPHIST. Unhappy spirits that fell with LUCIFER,
Conspir'd against our God with LUCIFER,
And are for ever damn'd with LUCIFER.
FAUSTUS. I, John Faustus, OF WITTENBERG,
Doctor, by these present, do give both body and soul
To LUCIFER Prince of the East,
and his minister Mephistophilis;
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Lucifer & Adonis
http://www.california.com/~rpcman/lucifer.htm
<<In Roman astronomy, LUCIFER was the name given to the morning star
(the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star
appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The
name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of
light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the
Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best
be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden
glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor
earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King").>>
<<The actual name, "LUCIFER," goes back to the Greeks, before the
Romans. Socrates and Plato talk about this "god of light"; surprisingly,
not in the context of Eos (god of Dawn), but -- as a morning star --
juxtaposed with the sun (Helios) and Hermes. This information can be
found in Plato's Timaeus.">> -- F.T. DeAngelis
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2 Peter 1:19
So we have the prophetic message more fully confirmed. You will do
well to be attentive to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place,
until the day dawns AND THE MORNING STAR rises in your hearts.
Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the
churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and
MORNING STAR."
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http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/world/christ/xt-ibel2.htm
<<It appears that the whole story of LUCIFER as Satan, the fallen
rebellious angel, is based entirely on non-canonical sources: the
so-called Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha. There are also many
pre-Christian myths and allegories that include stories about LUCIFER,
which is the Latin name for the Greek Eosphoros. In his Theogony Hesiod
speaks of two divine beings, the brothers Eosphoros (the morning star)
and Hesperos (the evening star). They are the children of Astraios (the
starry heaven) and Eos (the dawn). The morning star, like the Virgin of
the Sea, is one of the titles given to Divine Mother goddesses such as
the Roman Venus, the Phoenician Astarte, the Jewish Ashtoreth, and the
later Christian Holy Virgin. In the oldest Zoroastrian allegories,
Mithra is supposed to have conquered the planet Venus. In the Christian
tradition, Michael defeats LUCIFER.>>
<<The planet Venus is the lightbringer, the first radiant beam that does
away with the darkness of night. It is a symbol of the development of
the divine light in man, for the first awakening of self-consciousness,
for independent thinking and the real application of free will.>>
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Isaiah 14:12 "heleyl, ben shachar"/"shining one, son of dawn"
Mysteries HELEYL ben shachar)
Mistress ELEANOR BULL
http://www.dwnet.com/marlowe/06inquis.html
<<about the tenth hour before noon (the afore said gentlemen) met
together in a room in the house of a certain Eleanor Bull, widow;>>
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http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/world/christ/xt-ibel2.htm
<<LUCIFER means lightbringer, from the Latin lux "light" and ferre "to
bear or bring." The word LUCIFER is found in only one place in the Bible
-- Isaiah 14:12 -- but only in the King James and related versions: "How
art thou fallen from heaven, O LUCIFER, son of the morning! . . ." The
New Revised Standard Version translates the same passage as "How you are
fallen from heaven, O Day Star, Son of Dawn!" In other translations we
find: "O shining star of the dawn!" (Moffatt) or "O morning-star, son of
the dawn!" (Hebrew Bible). The King James Version is based on the
Vulgate, the Latin translation of Jerome. Jerome translated the Hebrew
HELEL (bright or brilliant one) as "LUCIFER," which was a reasonable
Latin equivalent. And yet it is this LUCIFER, the bright one or
lightbearer, that came to be understood by so many as the name for
Satan, Lord of Darkness.>>
http://www.benabraham.com/html/illuminati_-_1a.html
<<The name "LUCIFER" in Latin means "Light-Bearer" and may also mean the
planet Venus, which is the "morning star at dawn". In Greek mythology,
LUCIFER was personified as a male figure BEARING A TORCH. Hence, we have
the origin of the Light-Bearer of the Olympic Games. The Greek
transliteration of the name of this incarnation of LUCIFER in the myth
was Teitan. In middle English his name was Titan, which also meant
"Sungod". As LUCIFER was the chief leader that led the angelic host to
rebel against God, so did Nimrod cause the early descendants of Noah to
rebel against God. Flavius Josephus, the ancient Jewish historian, wrote
about Nimrod and how he seduced the people of his day to rebel against
God, and was first to teach the arts of MASONRY, while building the
"Tower of Babel.">>
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http://www.enlightened.org.uk/questions_answered.html
<<He is called the 'devil', 'satan', 'LUCIFER' and a 'serpent' and many
other names but he is all the same spirit being (Revelation 12:9). He
is a fallen angel who leads an army of fallen angels, waging war against
us in the spirit world, read Isaiah 14:12-17. He became proud and tried
to exalt himself above God Who cast him down to the earth. He is the
'bright and shiny one' who deceived Eve in the Garden of Eden.
I am told by a Hebrew scholar that the Hebrew word in Genesis 3
for 'serpent'; 'nahasl' or 'nahas' has an alternative
meaning of 'NAHASH', meaning the 'bright and shiny one'
as in bronze or copper.>>
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An interesting discovery of Baconian
Thomas Penn Leary is the BACON acrostic in
'Ch. Marl. THE TRAGICALL History of D.Faustus'
Printed by V. S. for Thomas Bushell. (1604):
> N ow will I make an ende immediately.
> Me. O what will not I do to obtaine his soule?
> Fau. C onsummatum est , this Bill is ended,
> A nd Faustus hath bequeath'd his soule to LUCIFER.
> B ut what is this inscription on mine arme?
> Homo FUGE
[ http://fly.hiwaay.net/~paul/faustext.html ]
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To the high and mightie Prince of
Darknesse, Donsell dell LUCIFER, King of
Acheron, Stix and Phlegethon, Duke of Tartary,
marquesse of Conytus, and Lord high Regent
of Lymbo: his distressed Orator Pierce
Penilesse, wisheth encrease of damnati-
on, and malediction eternall, Per
Iesum Christum Dominum nostrum.
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The History and Magic of Runestones by KveldulfR Hagan Gundarsson
http://zurix.apana.org.au/asatru/Webpage2/Ftpstone.htm
<<The vala tells of the end of the golden age of innocence and of the
death of the sun-god Balder through the agency of his blind brother
Hoder -- ignorance and darkness -- instigated by Loki, the mischievous
elf of human intelligence. As in many other tales of the fall from
innocence of the early humans, the agent which brought about our
knowledge of good and evil and the power to choose between them, has
borne the blame for all subsequent ills in the world. The biblical
LUCIFER, the light-bringer, from "bright and morning star" has been
transformed into a devil; the Greek Prometheus who gave mankind the fire
of mind was chained to a rock for the duration of the world and will be
rescued only when Herakles, the human soul, shall have attained
perfection at the end of its labors. Similarly, Loki was bound beneath
the nether gates of the underworld to suffer torment until the cycle's
completion. In each case the sacrifice brought us humans the inner light
needed to illumine our path to godhood.>>
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Art Neuendorffer
Neuendorffer
Greg Reynolds wrote:
>
> So bogus. This poem is outside the realm
> of Shakespeare's sonnets.
>
> Nowhere in his sonnets would Shakespeare
> make these little "observations" or tell
> of a tangible experience.
>
> Nowhere in the sonnets does Shakespeare
> build the poem in 3rd person terms. (Read
> the sonnets, Sobran.) Nowhere in the sonnets
> can you find any actual descriptions in
> concrete terms of anyone other than "you"
> or "I."
>
> Nowhere in the sonnets would Shakespeare
> use a proper name of a person.
REAL writers are known to develope and improve over time in a
continuous fashion.
Art Neuendorffer
tigerspirit
> tigerspirit wrote:
>
> > I'm going to have a second go at
> > the deciphering myself!
> >
> > Emaricdulfe (several anagrams follow)
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> EMARICDULFE
> MADE LUCIFER
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> King Henry IV, Part i Act 2, Scene 4
>
> FALSTAFF My own knee! when I was about thy years, Hal, I was
> and MADE LUCIFER cuckold and swore the
> devil his true liegeman upon the cross of a Welsh
> hook--what a plague call you him?
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Art Neuendorffer
What a nice find!
But I must report a momentous new discovery!
Further anagramming of
EMARICDULFE
reveals the *TRUTH*!
CLUE: I AM "FR. + ED."
Francis Bacon AND Edward De Vere! the authors
in partnership!
What new clues can we find to it all... (all in anagrams)
"Cruel! FAMED, I!"
"Cruel? I'm deaf..."
{Eric made "luf"} (a reference to the famous
Erik the Red!)
Clue: I farmed
Feudal crime?
"Cad! I feel rum!"
Deem cur? Fail!
Medal? Fie, cur!
Clue: I'd frame (a portrait...)
U life? Read, C.M.
C.M.? Read U file...
"Fluid *Cam* 'ere..."
C.M. ...a rude file?
"C.M. - A Life Rued"
Oh! If C.M. means Marlowe then *three* of
them wrote it!
"Feudal "merci""
"Merciful *Dea*" (Goddess, in Latin)
tigerspirit (off to tell all the news!)
Neuendorffer
EMARICDULFE
MADE LUCIFER
------------------------------------------------------------
King Henry IV, Part i Act 2, Scene 4
FALSTAFF when I was about thy years, Hal, I was
not an eagle's talon in the waist; I could have
crept into any alderman's thumb-ring: a plague of
sighing and grief! it blows a man up like a
bladder. There's villanous news abroad: here was
Sir John Bracy from your father; you must to the
court in the morning. That same mad fellow of the
north, Percy, and he of Wales, that gave Amamon the
bastinado and MADE LUCIFER cuckold and swore the
devil his true liegeman upon the cross of a Welsh
hook--what a plague call you him?
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There are 6 LUCIFER's in Shakespeare.
The chance of any given Shakespearean word being:
MADE, MEAD or DAME ~ 1/1,000
Chance of MADE, MEAD or DAME being adjacent to LUCIFER ~ 1/80
-------------------------------------------------------------
Vere's falling star of LUCIFER
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The Stag of Windsor
http://www.dragoncourt.org/ringasset/ch1_04.asp
The Merry Wives of Windsor Act 4, Scene 4
MISTRESS PAGE There is an old tale goes that Herne the hunter,
Sometime a keeper here in Windsor forest,
Doth all the winter-time, at still midnight,
Walk round about an oak, with great ragg'd horns;
And there he blasts the tree and takes the cattle
And makes milch-kine yield blood and shakes a chain
In a most hideous and dreadful manner:
You have heard of such a spirit, and well you know
The superstitious idle-headed eld
RECEIVED and did DELIVER to our age
This tale of Herne the hunter for a TRUTH.
Act 5, Scene 5
FALSTAFF Divide me like a bribe buck, each a haunch: I will
keep my sides to myself, my shoulders for the fellow
of this walk, and my horns I bequeath your husbands.
Am I a woodman, ha? Speak I like Herne the hunter?
Why, now is Cupid a child of conscience; he makes
restitution. As I am a true spirit, welcome!
MISTRESS QUICKLY About, about;
Search Windsor Castle, elves, within and out:
Strew good luck, ouphes, on every sacred room:
That it may stand till the perpetual doom,
In state as wholesome as in state 'tis fit,
Worthy the owner, and the owner it.
The several chairs of order look you scour
With juice of balm and every precious flower:
Each fair instalment, coat, and several crest,
With loyal blazon, evermore be blest!
And nightly, meadow-fairies, look you sing,
Like to the Garter's compass, in a ring:
The expressure that it bears, green let it be,
More fertile-fresh than all the field to see;
And 'Honi soit qui mal y pense' write
In emerald tufts, flowers purple, blue and white;
Let sapphire, pearl and rich embroidery,
Buckled below fair knighthood's bending knee:
Fairies use flowers for their charactery.
Away; disperse: but till 'tis one o'clock,
Our dance of custom round about the oak
Of Herne the hunter, let us not forget.
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Art Neuendorffer
Neuendorffer
EMARICDULFE
MADE LUCIFER
------------------------------------------------------------
FALSTAFF when I was about thy years, Hal, I was
not an eagle's talon in the waist; I could have
crept into any alderman's thumb-ring: a plague of
sighing and grief! it blows a man up like a
bladder. There's villanous news abroad: here was
Sir John Bracy from your father; you must to the
court in the morning. That same mad fellow of the
north, Percy, and he of Wales, that gave Amamon the
bastinado and MADE LUCIFER cuckold and swore the
devil his true liegeman upon the cross of a Welsh
hook--what a plague call you him?
------------------------------------------------------------
There are 6 LUCIFER's in Shakespeare.
The chance of any given Shakespearean word being:
MADE, MEAD or DAME ~ 1/1,000
Chance of MADE, MEAD or DAME being adjacent to LUCIFER ~ 1/80
-------------------------------------------------------------
Vere's falling star MADE LUCIFER
Act 5, Scene 5
restitution. As I am a TRUE spirit, welcome!
MISTRESS QUICKLY About, about;
Search Windsor Castle, elves, within and out:
Strew good luck, ouphes, on EVERy sacred room:
That it may stand till the perpetual doom,
In state as wholesome as in state 'tis fit,
Worthy the owner, and the owner it.
The several chairs of order look you scour
With juice of balm and EVERy precious flower:
Each fair instalment, coat, and SEVERal crest,
With loyal blazon, EVERmore be blest!
Neuendorffer
> The Merry Wives of Windsor Act 4, Scene 4
>
> MISTRESS PAGE There is an old tale goes that Herne the hunter,
> Sometime a keeper here in Windsor forest,
> Doth all the winter-time, at still midnight,
> Walk round about an oak, with great ragg'd horns;
> And there he blasts the tree and takes the cattle
> And makes milch-kine yield blood and shakes a chain
> In a most hideous and dreadful manner:
> You have heard of such a spirit, and well you know
> The superstitious idle-headed eld
> RECEIVED and did DELIVER to our age
> This tale of Herne the hunter for a TRUTH.
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/ringlords2.html
<<In the 12th-century, Melusine's descendant, Robert de Vere, 3rd Earl
of Oxford and legal pretender to the Earldom of Huntingdon, was
appointed as King Richard I's Steward of the forest lands of Fitzooth.
As Lord of the Greenwood and titular Herne of the Wild Hunt, he was a
popular people's champion of the Sidhé heritage - as a result of which
he was outlawed for taking up arms against King John. It was he who,
subsequently styled Robin Fitzooth, became the prototype for the popular
tales of Robin Hood.
Of all the monarchs who ever sat upon the throne of England, the Tudor
Queen, Elizabeth I, was by far the most in tune with ancient cultures
and wood lore. She was even called the Faerie Queene and, before being
formally crowned, she was installed by the people as their Queen of the
Greenwood. This was an ancient ritual of the Shining Ones - the Elven
Race of the Albi-gens. The ceremony was conducted in the mist of early
dawn in the depths of Windsor Forest and, to facilitate the
installation, the customary Robin Hood legacy of the House of Vere was
brought into play.
At that time, the Queen's Lord Chamberlain was Edward de Vere of Loxley,
17th Earl of Oxford, and it was his office to invest Elizabeth by first
deposing the Caille Daouine. This was the traditional King of the Forest
(whose name had given rise to Scotland's Pictish realm of Caledonia) -
the mighty Stag of the Seven Tines, upon whose back Lord Vere rode into
the ceremonial clearing.>>
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HAMLET Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio: a fellow
of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: he hath
borne me on his back a thousand times;
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> EMARICDULFE
> MADE LUCIFER
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David L. Webb
rosencreuz <rosen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> All I can think, having surveyed Neuendorffer's posts for a while when
> searching for Rosicrucian historical materials and discussion on
> Usenet, is that if this person regards Neuendorffer as the type of
> 'scholar' she wants on her list, then you may well be better off
> elsewhere.
>
> You can see the jumps in logic
"Logic" is putting it charitably, even when qualified by "jumps."
> in everything Neuendorffer writes.
> Everything is connected for him, every word has a subliminal meaning.
> Rosencreuz = Rosencrantz = RObinSON CRUSoe
Some of them are far better than that. Have you seen his "anagram"
"I kill Edwasd de Vese"?
> My father was a parole officer for some years and one of his clients
> was a severly unbalanced former Eastern bloc nuclear physicist. He
> used to find newspaper ads with 'Devil of a deal' and '$9.99' in them
> and say that there were subliminal Satanic messages there. Any hammer
> or star was a subliminal Communist message, even in adverts for such
> bastions of capitalism as used car yards. The Communists had tortured
> the poor chap, so you can see why he might keep on his guard for such
> things.
There was also a guy whose pamphlets were widely circulated on
college campuses (in the early 1980s, roughly) who used to divine all
sorts of stuff that he identified as "prophecy" from baseball scores.
It was pure nutcase numerology, and generally somewhat more subtle than
the predictable "$9.99" "references" to the Number of the Beast, but
there were instances of the latter as well.
> Like Neuendorffer, he used to cut-and-paste his staff, in this case
> hard copy material cut from newspapers, books etc and the end results,
> delivered to my father, numerous Catholic priests and politicians, in
> bundles of 100 pages or so, were pure art.
Pure Art, you mean?
> But it isn't scholarship.
>
> R+C
[...]
Stephanie Caruana
"David L. Webb" <David....@Dartmouth.edu> wrote in message
news:281020011014113336%David....@Dartmouth.edu...
Well...I like Pure Art.
Stephanie
lyra
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> EMARICDULFE
> MADE LUCIFER
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> King Henry IV, Part i Act 2, Scene 4
> FALSTAFF when I was about thy years, Hal, I was
> not an eagle's talon in the waist; I could have
> crept into any alderman's thumb-ring: a plague of
> sighing and grief!
<snip>
> There are 6 LUCIFER's in Shakespeare.
> The chance of any given Shakespearean word being:
> MADE, MEAD or DAME ~ 1/1,000
>
> Chance of MADE, MEAD or DAME being adjacent to LUCIFER ~ 1/80
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Vere's falling star MADE LUCIFER
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> The Stag of Windsor
> http://www.dragoncourt.org/ringasset/ch1_04.asp
<followed by long snip>
* * * * * *
thanks, Art! I like faerie stuff!
by the way I have discovered a Templar-influenced MSN Community
if anyone is interested...I'm off to take a look at it
http://communities.msn.com/insearchofTheGrail/_whatsnew.msnw
I'm interested in the Templar link to the Parrs (Queeen Katherine's
family) (and maybe Kit Marlowe's) (but I'm not going to believe just
anything!)
'bye
lyra
Neuendorffer
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > EMARICDULFE
> > MADE LUCIFER
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > King Henry IV, Part i Act 2, Scene 4
>
> > FALSTAFF when I was about thy years, Hal, I was
> > not an eagle's talon in the waist; I could have
> > crept into any alderman's thumb-ring: a plague of
> > sighing and grief!
>
> <snip>
>
> > There are 6 LUCIFER's in Shakespeare.
> > The chance of any given Shakespearean word being:
> > MADE, MEAD or DAME ~ 1/1,000
> >
> > Chance of MADE, MEAD or DAME being adjacent to LUCIFER ~ 1/80
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > Vere's falling star MADE LUCIFER
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > The Stag of Windsor
> > http://www.dragoncourt.org/ringasset/ch1_04.asp
> <followed by long snip>
>
> * * * * * *
> thanks, Art! I like faerie stuff!
Well, Marlowe was a faerie, too.
> by the way I have discovered a Templar-influenced MSN Community
> if anyone is interested...I'm off to take a look at it
>
> http://communities.msn.com/insearchofTheGrail/_whatsnew.msnw
>
> I'm interested in the Templar link to the Parrs (Queeen Katherine's
> family) (and maybe Kit Marlowe's) (but I'm not going to believe just
> anything!)
Well, it is curious that Edward de Vere was only 7 or 8 when he rode
and killed a stag that was "vicious, belligerent and half mad with lust
and territorial rage." But then Davy Crockett killed a b'ar when he was
only three.
Art