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book...@yahoo.com

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Dec 31, 2006, 1:25:45 AM12/31/06
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From http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/12/18/shakespeare-brain.html


(quote)
Bard boosts brain, researchers say
Last Updated: Monday, December 18, 2006 | 6:00 PM ET
CBC News

British researchers using modern medical technology have demonstrated
what generations of teachers have told generations of students:
Shakespeare is good for you.

Reading parts of Shakespeare's plays causes the brain to become
positively excited, researchers from the University of Liverpool said
in a release Monday.

Canadian actor Christopher Plummer as Lear in Shakespeare's King Lear
in 2004.

(Joan Marcus/Associated Press) In particular, Shakespeare's use of a
linguistic technique known as a functional shift, where a part of
speech is employed in an unusual way — a noun might act as a verb, for
example — forces a peak in brain activity.

Elizabeth

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Dec 31, 2006, 3:01:49 AM12/31/06
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> speech is employed in an unusual way - a noun might act as a verb, for
> example - forces a peak in brain activity.


That makes sense.

Although that would be Bacon *and* Shakespeare's 'linguistic
technique known as the functional shift.' I posted on Prof. Kate
Aughterson's paper which contained a hundred and twenty-examples
of Bacon's nouning verbs, changing the quality of nouns, nouning
adjectives, making neologisms, etc.


One school argued that Bacon was an empirical thinker who
denigrates the imaginative life and the opposing school saw
Bacon as 'a kind of honorary poet.'

~ Kate Aughterson, REDEFINING
THE
PLAIN STYLE: FRANCIS BACON, LINGUISTIC EXTENSION,
AND SEMANTIC CHANGE IN THE ADVANCEMENT OF LEARNING.

book...@yahoo.com

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On 31 Dec 2006 00:01:49 -0800, "Elizabeth" <elizabe...@mail.com>
wrote:

It must seem like a double whammy for school kids these days to be
instructed not to depart from writing conventions on graded papers,
but have to deal with Shakespeare's original text and be told it's the
greatest.

I'm afraid schools inculcate language skills for politically correct
candidates for state college paper mills. Good thing Stratman, like
so many gifted and successful authors, must have been an autodidact
improvising language and folklore material for London stage audiences.

Art Neuendorffer

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book...@yahoo.com wrote:

> From http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/12/18/shakespeare-brain.html
>
> (quote)
> Bard boosts brain, researchers say
> Last Updated: Monday, December 18, 2006 | 6:00 PM ET
> CBC News
>
> British researchers using modern medical technology have demonstrated
> what generations of teachers have told generations of students:
> Shakespeare is good for you.
>
> Reading parts of Shakespeare's plays causes
> the brain to become positively excited,

--------------------------------------------------------------------
. King Henry V Act 1, Scene 2

CANTERBURY:
Then hear me, gracious sovereign, and you peers,
That owe yourselves, your lives and services
To this imperial throne. There is no bar
To make against your highness' claim to France
But this, which they produce from Pharamond,
'In terram Salicam mulieres ne succedant:'
'No woman shall succeed in Salique land:'
Which Salique land the French unjustly gloze
To be the realm of France, and Pharamond
The founder of this law and female bar.
Yet their own authors faithfully affirm
That the land Salique is in Germany,
Between the floods of Sala and of Elbe;
Where Charles the Great, having subdued the Saxons,
There left behind and settled certain French;
Who, holding in disdain the German women
For some dishonest manners of their life,
Establish'd then this law; to wit, no female
Should be inheritrix in Salique land:
Which Salique, as I said, 'twixt Elbe and Sala,
Is at this day in Germany call'd Meisen.
Then doth it well appear that Salique law
Was not devised for the realm of France:
Nor did the French possess the Salique land
Until four hundred one and twenty years
After defunction of King Pharamond,
Idly supposed the founder of this law;
Who died within the year of our redemption
Four hundred twenty-six; and Charles the Great
Subdued the Saxons, and did seat the French
Beyond the river Sala, in the year
Eight hundred five. Besides, their writers say,
King Pepin, which deposed Childeric,
Did, as heir general, being descended
Of Blithild, which was daughter to King Clothair,
Make claim and title to the crown of France.
Hugh Capet also, who usurped the crown
Of Charles the duke of Lorraine, sole heir male
Of the true line and stock of Charles the Great,
To find his title with some shows of truth,
'Through, in pure truth, it was corrupt and naught,
Convey'd himself as heir to the Lady Lingare,
Daughter to Charlemain, who was the son
To Lewis the emperor, and Lewis the son
Of Charles the Great. Also King Lewis the Tenth,
Who was sole heir to the usurper Capet,
Could not keep quiet in his conscience,
Wearing the crown of France, till satisfied
That fair Queen Isabel, his grandmother,
Was lineal of the Lady Ermengare,
Daughter to Charles the foresaid duke of Lorraine:
By the which marriage the line of Charles the Great
Was re-united to the crown of France.
So that, as clear as is the summer's sun.
King Pepin's title and Hugh Capet's claim,
King Lewis his satisfaction, all appear
To hold in right and title of the female:
So do the kings of France unto this day;
Howbeit they would hold up this Salique law
To bar your highness claiming from the female,
And rather choose to hide them in a net
Than amply to imbar their crooked titles
Usurp'd from you and your progenitors.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

> In particular, Shakespeare's use of a linguistic technique
> known as a functional shift, where a part of speech is

> employed in an unusual way - a noun might act as a verb,
> for example - forces a peak in brain activity.
.
Or an illiterate Stratford boob might act as a ghost or old Adam.
.
Art Neuendorffer

seeker

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book...@yahoo.com wrote:
> From http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/12/18/shakespeare-brain.html
>
>
> (quote)
> Bard boosts brain, researchers say
> Last Updated: Monday, December 18, 2006 | 6:00 PM ET
> CBC News
>
> British researchers using modern medical technology have demonstrated
> what generations of teachers have told generations of students:
> Shakespeare is good for you.

If these British researchers read the postings of Art, Elizabeth,
Michael Martin, willediver, gangleri, Bob G, Ms. Mouse, Paul C., they
would have to add a cavet to their findings.

lackpurity

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> speech is employed in an unusual way - a noun might act as a verb, for
> example - forces a peak in brain activity.

MM:
This needs to be clarified, I'd say. Scientists often confuse the
brain with the mind. The brain is just a tool of the mind.
Shakespeare was a Saint many times in the past. He brought with him,
many of his former disciples. Some are alive to day, perhaps, and
naturally, they will feel inspired by reading Shakespeare. The style
will seem familiar to them, and they will respond accordingly. Even
those who were not with Shakespeare, but with some other Saint, will
feel a pull, when reading the familiar teachings of Sant Mat.

I notice Elizabeth is still trying to rip off the canon for Bacon.
Bacon didn't need to rip off anyone. He had his flock of sheep, also.
Some of them are living today. They will feel the same sort of
inspiration by reading his works.

The same principle would apply to Marlowe and Donne.

Mind has what is called "sanskaras," or impressions. Some of them are
recent. Some are very old. Some are barely on the surface of the
psyche, while others run deep. It is mind, not the brain which
responds to Saints. Christ said, more or less, "When I whistle, my
sheep come running."

Michael Martin

Mark Houlsby

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seeker wrote:

> book...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > From http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/12/18/shakespeare-brain.html
> >
> >
> > (quote)
> > Bard boosts brain, researchers say
> > Last Updated: Monday, December 18, 2006 | 6:00 PM ET
> > CBC News
> >
> > British researchers using modern medical technology have demonstrated
> > what generations of teachers have told generations of students:
> > Shakespeare is good for you.
>
> If these British researchers read the postings of Art, Elizabeth,
> Michael Martin, willediver,

who?

> gangleri, Bob G, Ms. Mouse, Paul C., they
> would have to add a cavet to their findings.

What's a "cavet"? Someone who looks after recesses in rocks? An
American talk show host?

You're an irredeemable moron. Oh, and I am British.

STOP TROLLING!

Art Neuendorffer

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> > bookburn.yahoo.com wrote:
> > > From http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/12/18/shakespeare-brain.html
> > >
> > > (quote)
> > > Bard boosts brain, researchers say
> > > Last Updated: Monday, December 18, 2006 | 6:00 PM ET
> > >
> > > British researchers using modern medical technology have demonstrated
> > > what generations of teachers have told generations of students:
> > > Shakespeare is good for you.
.

> seeker wrote:
> >
> > If these British researchers read the postings of Art, Elizabeth,
> > Michael Martin, willediver, gangleri, Bob G, Ms. Mouse, Paul C.,

> > they would have to add a cavet to their findings.
.

Mark Houlsby wrote:
>
> What's a "cavet"?
> Someone who looks after recesses in rocks?
-------------------------------------------------------------------
quique aliis cavit, non *CAVET* ipsi sibi
-------------------------------------------------------------------
___*CAVERE* : be on one's guard, beware, pay attention (Latin)
.
1. To keep something from one, to protect, have a care for, make safe,
take care of (cf.: prohibeo, defendo, provideo): scabiem pecori et
jumentis CAVEto, Cato, R. R. 5, 7 : melius ei CAVERE volo, quam ipse
aliis solet, Cic. Fam. 3, 1, 3 : mihi meisque, id. Top. 1, 4 ; id. Fam.
7, 6, 2: veterani, quibus hic ordo diligentissime CAVErat, id. Phil. 1,
2, 6 ; cf.: qui in Oratore tuo CAVEs tibi per Brutum, Caes. ap. Cic.
Fam. 6, 7, 4: quique aliis cavit, non *CAVET* ipsi sibi, Ov. A. A. 1,
84 :
securitati, Suet. Tit. 6 : concordiae publicae, Vell. 2, 48, 5 ; Petr.
133; Sil. 8, 493.--
-------------------------------------------
.

Mark Houlsby wrote:
>
> An American talk show host?
-------------------------------------------------
<<Richard Alva Cavett (born November 19, 1936 in Gibbon, Nebraska) is
an Emmy-winning American television talk show host known for his
conversational style of in-depth and often serious issues discussion.
Cavett's maternal grandfather was a Baptist preacher originally from
Wales. Both of his parents were schoolteachers and postgraduates at
Colorado State Teachers College in Greeley. Cavett was raised in Gibbon
and also spent part of his youth in Grand Island and Lincoln. When the
family lived in Lincoln, their garbage man was future serial killer
Charles Starkweather. Starkweather became an acquaintance of Cavett's
father. When Cavett was 10, his mother died of cancer. In high school,
Cavett was elected state president of the student council, and won two
gold medals as state gymnastics champion.
In eighth grade, Dick directed a live Saturday-morning radio show
sponsored by the Junior League, and played the title role in The
Winslow Boy. One of his classmates at Lincoln High School was actress
Sandy Dennis. Before leaving for college, he worked as a caddy at the
Lincoln Country Club. He also began doing magic shows for $35 a night
under the tutelage of Gene Gloye. He attended the 1952 convention of
the International Brotherhood of Magicians in St. Louis and won Best
New Performer trophy. Around the same time, he met fellow magician
Johnny Carson, eleven years his senior, who was doing a magic act at a
church in Lincoln.
.
Cavett applied to Yale University at the urging of Omaha high school
teacher Frank Rice, who was a friend of his parents. " My Nebraska
clothes set me apart. I remember I actually wore brown-and-white shoes.
They were impractical, though. The white one kept getting dirty. "
.
He won the Louis H. Burlingham Memorial Scholarship, in return for
which he worked 15 hours a week as a busboy in the Trumbull College
dining hall. Later he continued working off his scholarship at the Yale
library, assisting Robert Barlow, curator of the Yale Musical Theatre
collection.
.
He played in and directed dramas at the campus station, WYBC, and
appeared in Yale Drama productions. In his senior year, he changed his
major from English to drama. During his last two summers at Yale,
Cavett apprenticed at Shakespeare festivals in Oregon and Stratford,
Connecticut. He had one line in The Merchant of Venice, in which
Katharine Hepburn played Portia. At Drama School, he met his future
wife, Caroline Nye McGeoy (known professionally as Carrie Nye), a
native of Greenwood, Mississippi. After graduation, the two of them
acted in summer theater in Williamstown, Massachusetts, and he worked
for two weeks in a local lumberyard in order to buy an engagement ring.
Four years later, on June 4, 1964, they were married in New York, at
which time Nye was already playing a leading role in The Trojan Women
off-Broadway. Their marriage was at times tumultuous, and they
separated for a time, but they remained married until her death July
14, 2006.
.
In 1960, Cavett was living in a three-room, fifth-floor walk-up on West
89th Street in Manhattan for $51 a month. " I went bargain-hunting at
a store with a GOING OUT OF BUSINESS sign over the door. They had been
going out of business for some time. The words 'going out of business'
were chiseled in stone-and the "U"s were "V"s. "
.
He auditioned for and got a role in a film made by the Signal Corps,
but further jobs were not forthcoming. He was an extra on The Phil
Silvers Show, a TV remake of Body and Soul, and Playhouse 90 ("The
Hiding Place"). In an attempt to remain visible, he briefly revived his
magic act while working as a typist and for a company that had him pose
as a customer in department stores and review the service he received.
Meanwhile, Nye landed several plum Broadway roles.
.
Cavett was a copyboy (gofer) at Time magazine when he read a newspaper
item about Jack Paar, then host of The Tonight Show. The article
described Paar's concerns about his opening monologue and constant
search for material. Cavett wrote some jokes, put them into a Time
envelope, and went to the RCA Building. From hanging around the Tonight
Show before, he knew which floor Paar's dressing room was on. Paar
appeared in the corridor and noticed the Time envelope, and Cavett
offered it. Cavett then went to sit in the studio audience. Sure
enough, during the show Paar worked in some of the lines Cavett had fed
him. Afterward, Cavett got into an elevator with Paar, who invited him
to contribute more jokes. Within weeks, Cavett was hired, originally as
talent coordinator (interviewing potential guests, booking guests, and
again interviewing booked guests to prepare questions). Some of the
guests he screened were of the opinion that he himself should appear on
the show. This finally happened when Miss Universe of 1961, Marlene
Schmidt of Germany, was a guest, and Paar brought Cavett out on stage
to interpret her conversation.
.
While at Time, Cavett had written a letter to Stan Laurel. The two
later met at Laurel's apartment in Hollywood. Later the same day,
Cavett wrote a tribute that Paar read on the show, which Laurel saw and
appreciated. Cavett visited Laurel a few more times, up to three weeks
before Laurel's death.
.
In his capacity as talent coordinator, Cavett was sent to the Blue
Angel nightclub to see Woody Allen's act, and immediately afterward
struck up a friendship. The very next day (early in June, 1961), the
funeral of playwright George S. Kaufman was held. Allen could not
attend, but Cavett did. From the funeral, Cavett followed Groucho Marx
(who later told Cavett that Kaufman was "his personal god") three
blocks up Fifth Avenue to the Plaza Hotel, where Marx invited him to
lunch, thereby beginning one of Cavett's most treasured associations.
Cavett was Marx's presenter for Marx's one-man show at Carnegie Hall,
and began by saying, "I can't believe that I know Groucho Marx."
.
Cavett continued with The Tonight Show as a writer after Johnny Carson
took over. For Carson he wrote the line, "Having your taste criticized
by Dorothy Kilgallen is like having your clothes criticized by Emmett
Kelly." Nevertheless, he did not feel the same closeness as with Paar,
despite having met Carson years earlier. He even appeared to do a
gymnastics routine (he was state champ in high school) on the pommel
horse on the show. After quitting, Cavett was a writer for Jerry
Lewis's ill-fated talk show, for three times the money. He returned to
The Tonight Show, however, when Marx was interim host for Carson in
July 1964.
..
Years later, as a guest on the Tonight Show, Carson told Cavett that
his favorite joke Cavett wrote for him during his days as a writer was
the humorous caption to a newspaper photo of Aristotle Onansis looking
at the home of Buster Keaton which he was considering purchasing.
Cavett wrote: "Aristotle Contemplating the Home of Buster"
.
Cavett then began a brief career as a stand-up comic in 1964 at the
Bitter End in Greenwich Village, inauspiciously. His most famous line
from this particular career was most likely this one: " I went to a
Chinese-German restaurant. The food is great, but an hour later you're
hungry for power. "
.
Intermittently since 1969, Cavett has been host of his own talk show,
in various formats and on various television and radio networks:
.
* ABC (1969-1974)
* CBS (1975)
* PBS (1977-1982)
* USA (1985-1986)
* ABC (1986-1987)
* CNBC (1989-1996)
* (Olympia Broadcasting)The Comedy Show with Dick Cavett
/ syndicated radio show (1986-1990)
.
Cavett underwent electroconvulsive therapy to treat his clinical
depression. In 1992, he wrote in People, "In my case, ECT was
miraculous. My wife was dubious, but when she came into my room
afterward, I sat up and said, 'Look who's back among the living.' It
was like a magic wand."
.
* He appeared as himself in various other TV shows, including
episodes of The Odd Couple, Cheers, Kate & Allie, and (in animated
form) The Simpsons; and in the film A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream
Warriors (1987). In Beetlejuice, he played a rare bit part as a
character other than himself.
.
* In another episode of The Simpsons, Treehouse of Horror III, a
newspaper dated November 19, 1936 displays a minor headline reading
"DICK CAVETT BORN," the actual date of his birth.
.
* Cavett has remained a popular guest on the talk-show circuit,
hitting the stage to his longtime theme song, a trumpet version of the
wordless vocalise "Glitter and Be Gay" from Leonard Bernstein's score
for Voltaire's Candide. The tune was used at the midpoint of his ABC
late-night show and became his signature introduction during the years
the Cavett show aired on PBS.
.
* As a result of his Nebraska upbringing, Cavett has had a strong
affinity for the culture of the Sioux and other native tribes of the
Great Plains and has owned many artifacts. This interest ultimately
would lead to his TV interview with Dr. John Neihardt.>>
----------------------------------------------
Art Neuendorffer

Mark Houlsby

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Art Neuendorffer wrote:

<much that was--entirely uncharacteristically--ill-advised>

My dear Art,

Kindly do me a favour: avoid answering my replies to trolls. It
deflects, and it encourages them to troll *even more*.

Thanks In Advance

Mark Houlsby

bobgr...@nut-n-but.net

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No, no, keep it up, Seeker! This new guy is just jealous because you
didn't put him on your list!

--Bob G.

Mark Houlsby

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You begin to appear disingenuous, tough guy, One minute, you're keen as
the proverbial mustard to describe Sweetie as "thick" and to claim to
defend Crowley's appalling nonsense, next you encourage moronic trolls
to redouble their efforts. You're on a slippery slope, my lad.

--Mark H.

Art Neuendorffer

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Mark Houlsby wrote:
>
> My dear Art,
>
> Kindly do me a favour: avoid answering my replies to trolls.
> It deflects, and it encourages them to troll *even more*.
>
Seeker is not a troll; rather, he is a hard working Rosicrucian
and has been assigned a job to do here.
.
HLAS is MY newsgroup and I'll do what I damn please here.
.(You can go back to chess land if you don't like it.)
.
Art

Mark Houlsby

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Ok, I hear you, it was just a polite request.

I hope you realise that I *do* respect you. It's trolls and trolling I
dislike. I doubt neither that seeker is hardworking, nor that he is a
Rosicrucian. I'm *equally certain* however, that *he is* a *troll*.

The evidence is irrefutable.

FYI I have never *left* chess land. FYI HLAS *does not* "belong" to you
any more, or any less, than anyone else in the group. Trolls tend to
drive away good people. This is why I tend to be opposed to their
stupidity.

Best regards,

Mark

> Art

Art Neuendorffer

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> > Mark Houlsby wrote:
> > >
> > > My dear Art,
> > >
> > > Kindly do me a favour: avoid answering my replies to trolls.
> > > It deflects, and it encourages them to troll *even more*.
> > >
> Art Neuendorffer wrote:
> >
> > Seeker is not a troll; rather, he is a hard working Rosicrucian
> > and has been assigned a job to do here.
> > .
> > HLAS is MY newsgroup and I'll do what I damn please here.
> > .(You can go back to chess land if you don't like it.)
> > .
Mark Houlsby wrote:
>
> Ok, I hear you, it was just a polite request.
>
> I hope you realise that I *do* respect you. It's trolls and trolling I
> dislike. I doubt neither that seeker is hardworking, nor that he is a
> Rosicrucian. I'm *equally certain* however, that *he is* a *troll*.
>
> The evidence is irrefutable.
>
> FYI I have never *left* chess land. FYI HLAS *does not* "belong" to you
> any more, or any less, than anyone else in the group. Trolls tend to
> drive away good people. This is why I tend to be opposed to their
> stupidity.
>
Trolls may drive away good people but that is probably not
their intention; whereas, for Rosicrucians at HLAS
driving away anti-Stratfordians (and others who might
respond to same) is indeed their intention.
.
Trolls are also noted for posting off subject.
.
If you have written one sentence here about Shakespeare
(or authorship of same) I think I have missed it.
.
Why don't you take this opportunity here to do so
so that we don't think that you are a troll.
.
Art Neuendorffer

Mark Houlsby

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Art Neuendorffer wrote:

I don't deny for one moment that I have been trolling people who have
been trolling.

> If you have written one sentence here about Shakespeare
> (or authorship of same) I think I have missed it.
> .

Indeed you have.

> Why don't you take this opportunity here to do so
> so that we don't think that you are a troll.
> .

Tell you what, I'll post a link to my doing that:

http://tinyurl.com/y4hpkh

...and another...:

http://tinyurl.com/yj3u8n

... there are more...but for now here's a couple of links which might
help to explain what's been going on:

http://tinyurl.com/yygxmc

...and:

http://tinyurl.com/uj7fd

Should you require further explanation, please don't hesitate to
solicit the same.

All the best,

Mark Houlsby

> Art Neuendorffer

Art Neuendorffer

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> Art Neuendorffer wrote:
>
> > If you have written one sentence here about Shakespeare
> > (or authorship of same) I think I have missed it.
.
Mark Houlsby wrote:
>
> Indeed you have.
>
> > Why don't you take this opportunity here to do so
> > so that we don't think that you are a troll.
.
Mark Houlsby wrote:
>
> Tell you what, I'll post a link to my doing that:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/y4hpkh
> http://tinyurl.com/yj3u8n.
All I see is a buncha questions.
.

Mark Houlsby wrote:
>
> Should you require further explanation,
> please don't hesitate to solicit the same.
.
If you have written one sentence here about Shakespeare
(or authorship of same) I think I have missed it.
Why don't you take this opportunity here to do so
so that we don't think that you are a troll.
.
Art Neuendorffer

Mark Houlsby

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Jan 2, 2007, 3:16:27 PM1/2/07
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Art Neuendorffer wrote:

> > Art Neuendorffer wrote:
> >
> > > If you have written one sentence here about Shakespeare
> > > (or authorship of same) I think I have missed it.
> .
> Mark Houlsby wrote:
> >
> > Indeed you have.
> >
> > > Why don't you take this opportunity here to do so
> > > so that we don't think that you are a troll.
> .
> Mark Houlsby wrote:
> >
> > Tell you what, I'll post a link to my doing that:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/y4hpkh
> > http://tinyurl.com/yj3u8n
> > http://tinyurl.com/yygxmc
> >
> > ...and:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/uj7fd
> .
> All I see is a buncha questions.
> .

Ok, fine.

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