Shakespeare's Library
ignoto
In 1674 (four years after the death of WS granddaughter) the inventory
was taken for Shakespeare's last place of residence, New Place. It included:
"desks, chests, cabinets, trunks and boxes' to the value of over £5, the
family 'plate' at around £29, rings, jewels and a watch for £30 and all
the books £29.11.00" (Rene Weis, 'Shakespeare Unbound', p434)
[By way of comparison, £30 in 1750 is worth £4500 today.]
Weis also notes that there is a record of Susanna gifting a book on the
Medici's in 1643.
Ign.
acne...@gmail.com
> Another interesting titbit:
>
> In 1674 (four years after the death of WS granddaughter) the inventory
> was taken for Shakespeare's last place of residence, *New Place* .
> It included:
>
> "desks, chests, cabinets, trunks and boxes' to the value of over £5,
> the family 'plate' at around £29, rings, jewels and a watch for £30
> and all the books £29.11.00" (Rene Weis, 'Shakespeare Unbound', p434)
>
> [By way of comparison, £30 in 1750 is worth £4500 today.]
>
> Weis also notes that there is a record of Susanna
> gifting a book on the Medici's in 1643.
No one denies that Dr. John Hall had books,
worth £1000 'att the least' (which were of
no real interest to the illiterate Susanna).
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http://www.blackcountrysociety.co.uk/articles/bagley.htm
<<Thomas Nash, aged 32, married 18-year-old Elizabeth Hall,
Shakespeare's granddaughter, in Stratford on 22 April 1626 (= two days
after Francis Bacon's widow Alice Barnham married usher John
Underhill, at St Martin in the Fields, London). Nash, though trained
in the law at Lincoln's Inn, seems largely to have acted as a land
agent as his father had done. He and Elizabeth lived, not always
quietly as will be seen, at *New Place* with Susanna Hall after her
husband's death in 1635, and it may be as a result of the legal
wranglings subsequent to John Hall's demise that eventually resulted
in their association with the men (Job Dighton and Henry Smith) who
were to become trustees to Elizabeth's will. Dighton was a member of
the Middle Temple in London and appears to have acted for Baldwin
Brookes, mercer of Stratford, in an action against Susanna Hall in
1636 to recover money owing him by John Hall, deceased. This affair
dragged on with counter proceedings by Susanna and eventually resulted
in Brookes and others forcing entry to *New Place* and removing items,
including books, from John Hall's study, which Susanna valued at
£1000, 'att the least' .>>
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bookb...@yahoo.com wrote:
(quoted from Mr. Callis's blogsite)
<<The Underhill family was close to Shakespeare and his family circle
according to Peter Ackroyd's "Shakespeare, The Biography". William
Underhill conveyed a deed to Shakespeare in 1597 which Shakespeare
christened *New Place*, Underhill died of poisoning immediately after.
New Hampshire's Capt. John Underhill was related to William Underhill
and Bacon's usher John Underhill. Capt. John Underhill was the
governor of Dover NH in 1638 and a signer of Dover's (Northham)
document of government in 1641. It was a debate between John
Underhill, the Bishop of Oxford, and the doomed astronomer Giordano
Bruno that compelled Bruno to write his 'The Ash Wednesday Supper'
speech, just before the pope had him jailed, later put to death for
claiming the universe did not revolve around the Earth. Shakespearian
scholars cite this episode for inspiring William Shakespeare's famous
'To be or not to be' soliloquy used in the title for the article in
the current Smithsonian magazine.>>
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<<A previous owner of Shakespeare's house in Blackfriar's
was Anne *BACON* . (Francis' stepmother). In 1604
her son, Matthew *BACON* sold it to *Henry WALKER* ,
who sold it in 1613 to William Shakespeare.
Matthew was admitted to Gray's Inn in 1597.>>
http://www.sirbacon.org/links/parentage.htm
.............................................
<<*New Place* was sold in 1675 to *Edward WALKER* , and
passed from him to his daughter and, in 1699, into the
Clopton family. It was extensively rebuilt by Sir John
Clopton, who settled it on his son, Hugh, in 1702
before it was ready for reoccupation. When Sir Hugh died,
it passed to his daughters, who sold it to the Reverend
Francis Gastrell in 1756. He demolished it in 1759.
http://www.xrefer.com/entry/554920
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Lady Elizabeth Bernard's Will:
<<When William Shakespeare's granddaughter Lady Elizabeth Bernard died
in February 1670 she decreed in her will that after the death of her
second husband Sir John Bernard, her trustees Henry Smyth and Job
Dighton should sell off her estate in and around Stratford upon Avon.
This included the lands in Welcombe and Bishopton, near Stratford,
which had come down from her grandfather and also his house, *New
Place*. The estate had also originally included several properties
formerly belonging to her first husband Thomas Nash, including that
now known as Nash's House in Chapel Street, Stratford, adjacent to
*New Place*, as well as land in Old Stratford and tithes for the Manor
of Shottery, which Thomas had left her when he died in 1647. Some of
her Hathaway relatives were left monetary amounts, whilst the Hart
family into which her mother's aunt Joan, Shakespeare's sister, had
married received property in Henley Street, including the cottages now
known as the Shakespeare Birthplace.
Thomas Nash's cousin Edward Nash was, by previous arrangement, given
first refusal on Lady Bernard's Stratford estate, not otherwise
bequeathed, after Sir John's death in March 1674. However, if Edward
Nash declined the offer to purchase the estate, the trustees were
instructed to sell the inheritance and, after the settlement of the
various legacies, the rest of the monies so raised were to pass to
Edward Bagley, whom she refers to as her 'loveing kinsman' and who she
made her sole executor. In 1675, Henry Smyth, and Edward Bagley are
cited in a conveyance indenture as one of the parties to the sale of
*New Place* and other land to Sir Edward Walker, Bagley being
described as a 'Citizen and Pewterer of London'.
In concluding from the reference in the conveyance documents of *New
Place* in 1675 to one Edward Bagley, citizen and pewterer of London,
and the Pewterers' Company records of the young Bagley apprenticed to
Orme as one and the same person, then the placing of Edward as from
Dudley, actually in Worcestershire not Staffordshire, though this is
an understandable slip, demanded closer inspection of the parish
records from the 16th and 17th Century to find out more of this
family, which in due course resulted in my research path eventually
crossing that of the Brinton-Bagley researchers' work. As much of my
own research and that of others into the Bagley family's relationship
with the Lord Dudley and his mistress concurs, I do not intend to add
greatly to it here, other than for two points. Firstly, two documents
traced in the Dudley Estate archives referring to George Bagley, John
Bagley's (elder?) brother, show him to have also been closely
associated with Edward Sutton (31), and secondly to point out that the
Churchwardens Book for St. Thomas, Dudley provides some other valuable
references to the Bagley family that are not evident from the parish
record itself. Various entries refer to levies for poor rates and
Edward Bagley senior and his brother Dudley are coupled together on
occasions, which suggests that the property the rate was levied upon
was of common ownership (32). In April 1645 Edward is shown as elected
one of the Overseers for the Poor (33), however, this is the last
reference to him apart from his burial entry at St. Thomas in November
the same year. The same parish register shows his father, John Bagley
being buried in May 1648 (34), who is undoubtedly the John Bagley of
the will proved in the August of that year. Sutton(e) Bagley, as the
eldest son of Edward, becomes the only child of his to be a
beneficiary of John Bagley's will. >>
http://www.blackcountrysociety.co.uk/articles/bagley.htm
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Begley,_Jr.
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Art Neuendorffer
Melani...@hotmail.com
Give it up, Ignoto, you'll never convince the Anti-Strats, they'll
always pretend that all the books came from Dr. Hall and that
he was the only one who could read and write and the entire
bulk of the Shakespeare and Hathaway families could neither
read nor write and were country bumpkins saying things like
AR, YER, MAR, PAR, Oooo-errrr, roight y'are sire etc. and
spitting on the floor and wiping their noses with their sleeves
and scratching their bottoms with one hand whilest sqeezing their
head lice between two fingernails of the other hand
etc.
So, why would a presumably educated man like John Hall
be interested in marrying into such a family?
Well, Susannah was hot stuff, obviously, and kind and
generous, and supermacho Hall needed that kind olf
girl.... (ha ha, yeah right).
Isn't it quaint how anti-strats - some of whom come from
the simplest backgrounds themselves - are such piffling
snobs?
Melanie
acne...@gmail.com
>>
>> In 1674 (four years after the death of WS granddaughter) the inventory
>> was taken for Shakespeare's last place of residence, New Place. It included:
>
>> "desks, chests, cabinets, trunks and boxes' to the value of over £5, the
>> family 'plate' at around £29, rings, jewels and a watch for £30 and all
>> the books £29.11.00" (Rene Weis, 'Shakespeare Unbound', p434)
>
>> [By way of comparison, £30 in 1750 is worth £4500 today.]
>
>> Weis also notes that there is a record of Susanna
>> gifting a book on the Medici's in 1643.
Melanie_Sa...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> ...all the books came from Dr. Hall and ... he was
> the only one who could read and write and the entire
> bulk of the Shakespeare and Hathaway families could neither
> read nor write and were country bumpkins saying things like
> AR, YER, MAR, PAR, Oooo-errrr, roight y'are sire etc. and
> spitting on the floor and wiping their noses with their sleeves
> and scratching their bottoms with one hand whilest sqeezing
> their head lice between two fingernails of the other hand.
>
> So, why would a presumably educated man like John Hall
> be interested in marrying into such a family?
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Susanna was [W]itty [A]bove [H]er [S]exe:
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<<PYG-malion (1913) is a play by *George BERNARD SHAW* loosely
inspired by the Greek myth of the same name. It tells the story of
Henry Higgins, a professor of phonetics who makes a bet with his
friend Colonel Pickering that he can successfully pass off a Cockney
flower girl, *Eliza Doolittle* , as a refined society lady by teaching
her how to speak with an upper class accent and training her in
etiquette. In the process, Higgins and Doolittle grow close, but she
ultimately rejects his domineering ways and declares she will marry
Freddy Eynsford-Hill – a young, poor, gentleman. Shaw, annoyed by the
tendency of audiences, actors, and even directors to seek 'romantic'
re-interpretations of his ending, later wrote an essay for inclusion
with subsequent editions, in which he explained precisely why it was
impossible for the story to end with Higgins and Eliza getting
married.>> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_(play)
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but that's not all,
*Wise* ti salvation was good Mistris HALL,
.........................................
. HERE LYETH YE BODY OF SVSANNA
. WIFE TO IOHN HALL, GENT: & DAVGH
. TER OF WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, GENT:
. SHEE DECEASED YE IJTH OF IVLY. Ao.
. 1649, AGED 66.
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<<The word for BRASS & SERPENT was NAHASH in Hebrew.
BRASS was a metal symbolizing the nether world ...
that of the womb where life should be given...>>
....................................................
. Thomas NASH, Gent. buried Apr. 5, 1647
_____ Francis MERES -- d. Jan. 29, 1647, Wing, Rutland
. *Eliza BERNARD's will* --- Jan. 29, 1670
________ George III -- d. Jan. 29, 1820
___________________ Jan. 29, 1845, _THE RAVEN_
___________________ Jan. 29, 1845, _THAN VERE_
....................................................
Feast Day: St. Sulpicius Severus: January 29
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulpicius_Severus
<<Sulpicius Severus wrote the earliest biography
_______ of Saint Martin of Tours.>>
.
______ *Sulpicius SEVERUS*
______________ *SUS E.VER*
....................................................
Witty SUSANna Shak. 'born' on May 26, 1583
Witty SUSANna VERE 'born' on May 26, 1587
Fighting FRANCIS VERE died on May 26, 1609
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___ *MAR* - *LOWE* ( *LOWE* = *GRAVE* )
.................................................
. HEERE LYETH YE BODY OF IOHN HALL
. GENT : HEE [ *MAR* ] : SVSANNA YE DAVGH
. & coheire
. TER OF WILL : SHAKESPEARE, GENT. HEE
. DECEASED NOVE. 25 An 1635, AGED 60.
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Wed. November 25, 1635 Butcher son-in-law John Hall dies
Wed. November 25, 1612 WILL of Elizabeth, Countess of Oxford,
Wed. November 25, 1562 Butcher son-in-law Lope de Vega born
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. MORTLAKE
...........................................................
2nd December 1603, viz: "John Heminges, one of his Majesty's players
for the pains and expenses of himself and the rest of the company
in coming from MORTLAKE in the county of Surrey unto the court
aforesaid and there presenting before his Majesty one play. £30."
.
<<John Dee wrote in his diary entry for November 25th, 1595:
"the news that Sir Edward TALBOT Kelley was slayne.">>
.
William Shakspere's son-in-law John Hall died at New Place on
25 November 1635 and was interred in the chancel. His arms
(three TALBOT heads erased), are impaled with Shakespeare's.>>
. _Shakespeare a Life_,p. 398, Park Honan.
.
"How would it have joyed brave TALBOT (the terror of the French)
to think that after he had lyne two hundred yeares in his TOMBE,
hee should triumphe again on the Stage, and have his bones newe
embalmed with the TEARES of ten thousand spectators at least;"
. -- THOMAS NASHe _Pierce Penilesse_(1592)
.
Then, Passenger, hast nere a TEARE,
To weepe with her that wept with all;
That wept, yet set her self to chere
Them up with comforts cordiall.
Her love shall live, her mercy spread,
When thou hs't ner'e a TEARE to shed. - Susanna Hall epit.
.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~shakespeare/books/chambers/a...
.
. HEERE RESTETH YE BODY OF THOMAS
. NASHE, ESQ. HE [MAR.] ELIZABETH, THE
. DAVG: & HEIRE OF IOHN HALLE, GENT.
. HE DIED APRILL 4. A. 1647, AGED 53.
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. Meres's Palladis Tamia 'comedians'
.
. GREENE,
. SHAKESPEARE,
. THOMAS NASH,
............................................
. THOMAS NASH & Elizabeth Hall lived
. immediately adjacent to New Place.
.
. THOMAS NASH's tombstone is to the
. immediate right of Shakespeare's
..........................................
. *GATE KEEPER'S NASH*
___ {anagram}
. *SHAKESPEARE GENT*
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Meres's Palladis Tamia; Wits Treasury,
Being the Second Part of Wits Commonwealth (1598)
[http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~ahnelson/oxposit.html]
.
... the best for Comedy amongst vs bee,
.
. Edward Earle of Oxforde,
Doctor Gager of Oxforde,
Maister Rowley once a rare Scholler of learned PEMBROOKE HALL,
.......................................................
<<Francis Mere was educated at PEMBROKE College, Cambridge,
where he graduated B.A. in 1587, & M.A. in 1591>>
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Maister Edwardes one of her Maiesties Chappell,
eloquent and WITTIE Iohn Lilly, Lodge, Gascoyne,
.
. GREENE,
. SHAKESPEARE,
. THOMAS NASH,
.
Thomas Heywood,
*ANTHONY* Mundye OUR BEST PLOTTER,
Chapman, PORTER,
*WILSON* ,
*HATHWAY* , and Henry Chettle.
............................................
*St. ANTHONY's Day* , 1579 Stratford marriage entry
"William *WILLSONNE* and
Anne *HATHAWAY* of Shotterye."
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_______ *JEAN ValJEAN* was #24601
St. John the Baptist's day is 24/6/01
......................................................
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Masonic
.
<<Lewis Masonic, founded in 1801, is the largest and oldest Masonic
publisher in England. Lewis Masonic is well-known to English
Freemasons, as Lewis produces many of the ritual books used by
United Grand Lodge of England lodges and Holy Royal Arch Chapters.>>
......................................................
. Edward de VERE died on St. John's day 1604 and
was buried in the church of St. AUGUSTINE in Hackney.
.
Sir Francis VERE died on St. AUGUSTINE's day 1609 and
was buried in the chapel of St. John in Westminster Abbey.
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1st Archbishop of Canterbury AUGUSTINE died May 26, 604
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Witty SUSANna Shak. 'born' on May 26, 1583
Witty SUSANna VERE 'born' on May 26, 1587
Fighting FRANCIS Vere died on May 26, 1609
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http://www.geocities.com/athens/oracle/1190/stjohnb.html
.
<<By history, custom, tradition & ritualistic requirements, the
Craft holds in veneration the Festival Days of St. John the Baptist
on June 24th, & St. John the Evangelist on December 27th.>>
.................................................
*FRANCIS* Vere died St. Augustine Day: buried at St. John's
Edward de Vere 'died' St. John's Day: 'buried' at St. Augustine
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. Sonnet CXXI.
.
Give salutation to my sportive blood?
Or on my frailties why are frailer spies,
Which in their wills count bad what I think good?
No, *I AM THAT I AM* , and they that level
At my abuses reckon up their own:
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VERE (1584): "I mean not to be your ward, nor your child.
. I SERVE HER Majesty, and *I AM THAT I AM* ."
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Art Neuendorffer
Christian
for his family.
Maybe that's how Dr. Hall got money to indulge in his great book
interest...
Just another of those many plausible theories.
C.
acne...@gmail.com
>
> Susannah was also a great match since her father made a lot of money
> for his family.
> Maybe that's how Dr. Hall got money to indulge in his great book
> interest...
> Just another of those many plausible theories.
>
the Shakespeare fairy tale is NOT a plausible theory.
Art Neuendorffer
ignoto
> ignoto <ign...@tarpeianway.com> wrote:
>
>> Another interesting titbit:
>>
>> In 1674 (four years after the death of WS granddaughter) the inventory
>> was taken for Shakespeare's last place of residence, *New Place* .
>> It included:
>>
>> "desks, chests, cabinets, trunks and boxes' to the value of over £5,
>> the family 'plate' at around £29, rings, jewels and a watch for £30
>> and all the books £29.11.00" (Rene Weis, 'Shakespeare Unbound', p434)
>>
>> [By way of comparison, £30 in 1750 is worth £4500 today.]
>>
>> Weis also notes that there is a record of Susanna
>> gifting a book on the Medici's in 1643.
>
> No one denies that Dr. John Hall had books,
> worth £1000 'att the least'
Well the, only £29,000 to go.
[lies and psychobabble snipped]
Ign.
ignoto
This affair
> dragged on with counter proceedings by Susanna and eventually resulted
> in Brookes and others forcing entry to *New Place* and removing items,
> including books, from John Hall's study, which Susanna valued at
> £1000, 'att the least' .>>
> .............................................
O, and btw, 'John Hall's study' DOES NOT exclude books inherited from
his father in law.
[snip]
Ign.
acne...@gmail.com
>
> O, and btw, 'John Hall's study' DOES NOT exclude books
> inherited from his father in law.
___ Pop-up books?
ignoto
> ignoto <ign...@tarpeianway.com> wrote:
>> O, and btw, 'John Hall's study' DOES NOT exclude books
>> inherited from his father in law.
>
> ___ Pop-up books?
No, books like: "Mr. William Shakspeers Comedyes, Histories and
Tragedyes" (Stationers' Register, 1623)
[Notice the 'Shak-' as in Shakspere, Shackspere, Shakspeare... etc.]
Ign.
Melani...@hotmail.com
>
> - Zitierten Text anzeigen -
I get tired of people overdoing it on the one side and underdoing it
on the other.
The extremes these Antistrats go to!
On the one hand, people who sign their signature are suddenly
totally unable to either read or write,
on the other hand a man who earns a comfortable amount of money
is suddenly the Donald Trump of all counties north of London
plus
a mean old miser with huge hoards of corn and wheat which he
keeps hidden away from the rest of the villagers while they
starve and grovel to beg a bowl of flour from him,
and
is the front or fake author for a really important nobleman
who regularly supplies him with manuscripts and money,
in the dead of night so no-one finds out, at the same time
the actors he, WS of Stratford, personally knows and
mentions in his testament are merely travelling
players who stopped off at New Place as a kind of
hotel whereupon such an intimate relationship ensued
that WS left them gifts in his testament.
With all your imaginative story-telling, Antistrats,
why don't you pull the finger out and write
money-making fiction?
And you can type and spell better than I can, as well.
Melanie
acne...@gmail.com
> acneu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > ignoto <ign...@tarpeianway.com> wrote:
> >> O, and btw, 'John Hall's study' DOES NOT exclude books
> >> inherited from his father in law.
>
> > ___ Pop-up books?
>
> No, books like: "Mr. William Shakspeers Comedyes, Histories and
> Tragedyes" (Stationers' Register, 1623)
>
> [Notice the 'Shak-' as in Shakspere, Shackspere, Shakspeare... etc.]
. *SHACK* , n. [Cf. Scot. *SHAG* : refuse of *BARLEY*]
.
. A shiftless fellow; a low, itinerant beggar;
. a *VAGABOND* ; a tramp. [Prov. Eng. & Colloq. U.S.]
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. _The First Set of English Madrigals to Foure Voices_
. Newly composed by John *FARMER* ,
. Printed by William *BARLEY* ...Anno Dom. 1599.
.
. *FARMER* dedicates his labors to his
. "VERy good Lord & Master," *the Earle of Oxenforde* ."
.
"In this I shall be most encouraged if your Lordship vouchsafe
. the protection of my [FIRST-FRUITS], for that both of your
greatness you best can, and for your judgment in music best may."
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Q2 & Folio: *CLAMBRIN[G] TO HANG, AN ENVIOUS SLIVER BROKE*
.
. V E R O_N I L V E R I U S
. A_______ L
. G_______ E
. A_______ N
. B_______ K
. O_______ C
. N_______ N
. [D]_______ _ I
_______ __ R
_______ __ B
_______ __ S
_______ __ A
_______ __- M
_______ __ O
_______ __ H
_______ __ T
.
Genesis 4:12 a fugitive and a *VAGABOND* shalt thou be in the earth.
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. All's Well That Ends Well Act 2, Scene 3
.
LAFEU Go to, sir; you were beaten in Italy for picking a
. kernel out of a pomegranate; you are a *VAGABOND*
. and no *TRUE TRAVELLER* : you are more saucy with
. lords & honourable personages than the commission
. of your birth and virtue gives you heraldry.
You are not *WORTH* another word, else I'ld call you knave.
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____ *VERDI* : *WORTH* (Norwegian)
____ *VERDI* : *GREENS* (Italian)
.
. *GREENES, Groats-VVORTH* of Witte
.
http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com/groatsworth.jpg
http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com/groatsworth.html
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'And I have only to add, sir,' said Mr. Pickwick, now thoroughly
angry, 'that I consider you a rascal, and a--a--ruffian--and--
and *WORSE than any man I EVER saw, or heard of* , except
that pious & sanctified *VAGABOND in the MULBERRY LIVERY* '
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___ *MORA* : *MULBERRY* (Spanish)
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___ *ROMA* : Rome (Latin)
___ *AMOR* : love (Latin)
___ *MARO* : Virgil (Latin)
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'Appendix VIRGILIANA: Elegiae in Maecenatem'.
http://remacle.org/bloodwolf/poetes/appendix/elegiae.htm
*MAR-MORA* Maeonii vincent monumenta libelli:
___ *VIVITUR INGENIO CAETERA MORTIS ERUNT*
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___ *MORA* : n. [It.] A game of guessing the number of fingers
__________________ extended in a quick movement of the hand.
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___ *MORA* : A unit used to measure lines & stanzas of poetry.
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___ *MORA* : nightmare (Serb-Croatian)
___ *MORA* : dwells (Portuguese)
___ *MORA* : to sail (Cornish)
___ *MORA* : moth (Slovak)
___ *MORA* : *DELAY* (Latin)
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Art Neuendorffer
Mike
MM:
Why don't you disprove it? All you present is fantasy. You can't
debunk Stratfordianism, nor prove Anti-Stratfordianism, so you're
losing two ways. Readers can use their sagacity on the issue. No
problem.
Michael Martin