Facts vs. Theories
Art Neuendorffer
1) "Facts are the world's data." - Stephen J. Gould
Facts = "literary history"
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2) "Theories are the structures of ideas that explain and interpret
facts." - Stephen J. Gould
a) the literal truth of "literary history" pointing to Stratford
authorship
b) the partial fabrication of "literary history" pointing to
standard Oxfordianism, Baconianism, Marlovianism, etc.
c) the total fabrication of "literary history" in order to spread
Masonic humanist (anti-war/concern for poor) propaganda.
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Art Neuendorffer
David L. Webb
"Art Neuendorffer" <aneuendor...@comcast.net>
(aneuendor...@comicass.nut) wrote:
> -----------------------------------------------------
> 1) "Facts are the world's data." - Stephen J. Gould
>
> Facts = "literary history"
> -----------------------------------------------------
> 2) "Theories are the structures of ideas that explain and interpret
> facts." - Stephen J. Gould
>
> a) the literal truth of "literary history" pointing to Stratford
> authorship
>
> b) the partial fabrication of "literary history" pointing to
> standard Oxfordianism, Baconianism, Marlovianism, etc.
>
> c) the total fabrication of "literary history" in order to spread
> Masonic humanist (anti-war/concern for poor) propaganda.
If that were indeed the case, Art, then why should we
Freemasons/Rosicrucians/Illuminati/Templars go to the extraordinary
lengths of assembling a vast conspiracy (one that according to you
boasts among its membership virtually eVERy noteworthy writer in
history, including even Dr. Seuss!) merely to conceal the authorship of
the Shakespeare canon?
Art Neuendorffer
1) "Facts are the world's data." - Stephen J. Gould
a) literary "history & legend"
b) literature itself
-----------------------------------------------------
2) "Theories are the structures of ideas that explain
and interpret facts." - Stephen J. Gould
a) the literal truth of "literary history"
& the fiction of "literature itself"
pointing to Stratford authorship
b)the literal truth of "literature itself"
& the partial fabrication of "literary history"
pointing to standard Oxfordianism,
Baconianism, Marlovianism, etc.
c) the total fabrication of "literary history"
& the partial truth of "literature & literary legend"
so as to spread Masonic humanist (anti-war/ anti-slavery
/concern for the disenfrancised) propaganda.
-----------------------------------------------------
Art Neuendorffer
Art Neuendorffer
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > 1) "Facts are the world's data." - Stephen J. Gould
> >
> > Facts = "literary history"
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > 2) "Theories are the structures of ideas that explain and interpret
> > facts." - Stephen J. Gould
> >
> > a) the literal truth of "literary history" pointing to Stratford
> > authorship
> >
> > b) the partial fabrication of "literary history" pointing to
> > standard Oxfordianism, Baconianism, Marlovianism, etc.
> >
> > c) the total fabrication of "literary history" in order to spread
> > Masonic humanist (anti-war/concern for poor) propaganda.
"David L. Webb" <david....@dartmouth.edu> wrote
> If that were indeed the case, Art, then why should we
> Freemasons/Rosicrucians/Illuminati/Templars go to the extraordinary
> lengths of assembling a vast conspiracy (one that according to you
> boasts among its membership virtually eVERy noteworthy writer in
> history, including even Dr. Seuss!) merely to conceal the authorship
> of the Shakespeare canon?
The vast conspiracy was intended to spread Masonic humanist
(anti-war/anti-slavery/concern for the disenfrancised) propaganda.
Concealing Shakespeare & Dr. Seuss is just a small part of it.
But if one piece is revealed then the whole thing starts to unravel.
Art N.
Art Neuendorffer
Aeschylus [525-456 B.C.] Greek Playwright -
Eagles picked up tortoises and attempt to crack them open by
dropping them on rocks. An eagle mistook Aeschylus' bald head
for a rock and dropped a tortoise on him instead.
Euripides [480-406 B.C.] Greek Playwright - Mauled by a pack
of wild dogs owned by Archelaus, the King of Macedonia.
Dante Alighieri [1256-1321] Italian Poet - Fell ill and
died about an hour after completing The Divine Comedy.
Richard Lovelace [1618-1658] English Poet - Believed to
have died of consumption "in a very mean lodging"
in Gunpowder Alley, Shoe Lane.
Honore De Balzac [1799-1850] French Author - Believed
to have choked on too much coffee.
Edgar Allan Poe [1809-1849] American Author - Died of
"acute congestion of the brain" several days after
he was discovered lying unconscious in a Baltimore street,
wearing someone else's tattered clothes.
Leo Tolstoy [1828-1910] Russian Author - Gave away
entire fortune, froze to death in a railroad station.
Lionel Johnson [1867-1902] British Poet - Fell off
a barstool during a bout of heavy drinking.
Jack London [1876-1916] American Author - A "raging alcoholic,"
died of uremia brought on by a morphine overdose at 40.
Vachel Lindsay [1879-1931] American Poet -
Killed self by drinking disinfectant.
F. Scott Fitzgerald [1896-1940] American Author - Legendary
boozer suffered a heart attack while working as a screenwriter
in Hollywood for a couple of hundred bucks a week. According
to John O'Hara, Fitz died "a prematurely old little man
haunting bookshops unrecognized."
Hart Crane [1899-1932] American Poet - While en route
to New York aboard the S.S. Orizaba, leapt into
the Caribbean Sea; reputedly said "Good-bye everybody."
Tennessee Williams [1911-1983] American Playwright - Choked
on a bottle cap while trying to get hands on some barbiturates.
John Berryman [1914-1972] American Poet -
Jumped from a bridge over the Mississippi River;
reputedly waved at passersby on way down.
Dylan Thomas [1914-1953] Welsh Poet - Alcohol poisoning
during a lecture tour of the United States. "I've had
18 straight whiskies . . . I think that's the record."
Roland Barthes [1915-1980] French Critic & Philosopher -
Run over by laundry truck outside the College de France.
"Literature is the question minus the answer."
Jack Kerouac [1922-1969] American Author - Abdominal
haemorrhage at mother's home in St. Petersburg,
Florida, while watching "The Galloping Gourmet."
Sylvia Plath [1932-1963] American Poet -
Stuck head in a kitchen oven.
Seth Morgan [1949-1990] American Author - Rode motorcycle
off the Golden Gate Bridge into the San Francisco Bay.
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<<Franz Kafka, was born in Prague. As Kafka lay dying of tuberculosis,
he begged his physician for an overdose of morphine.
"Kill me, or else you are a murderer!"
While alive, Kafka only published a very few selections of his short
fiction including "The METAMORPHOSIS," a story about a young man who,
symbolically, is transformed into a huge disgusting insect. Following
his death, friends published the bulk of Kafka's work, including The
Castle and The Trial, despite his final instructions that they destroy
the manuscripts, "Dearest Max, my last request: Everything I leave
behind me ... in the way of diaries, manuscripts, letters (my own
and others'), sketches, and so on, to be burned unread."
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http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/puskin.htm
<<In his last years Pushkin started to write historical work of Peter
the Great, which was left unfinished. In 1829 he fell in love with
16-year-old Natalya Nikolayevna Goncharova,
a beauty of the Imperial court, whom he married two years later.
The marriage was unhappy and Pushkin had little peace
for intense creative activity. His wife's frivolous social life led Pushkin
into debt and eventually to his early death. A gossip of an affair
between Baron Georges d'Anthès and his wife started to spread. Pushkin
defended his wife's honor with her brother-in-law in a duel.
He was fatally wounded and died on February 10 (New Style), 1837.
The czar buried buried Pushkin in secret in the monastery
near Mikhailovskoye, for fear of popular risings at the funeral.
He also paid all the remaining debts of the poet>>
http://www.mipco.com/english/push.html
http://www.mipco.com/english/pushtengl.html
<<The famous Russian poet and writer Alexander Pushkin (1799-1837),
fatally wounded in a duel by his brother-in-law and rival, left a secret,
ciphered journal, which was recently discovered and smuggled
out of the USSR. There has been a lot of speculation and mystery
surrounding this journal. According to legend, Pushkin's will stipulated
that the journal not be published until 100 years after his death.>>
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February 10, 1900-63, Pushkin loses duel
February 11, 1900+63, the most famous literary suicide of the
20th century: Sylvia Plath put her head in a gas oven in London.
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November 22, 1963, Jack Kennedy assassinated.
November 22, 1963, C.S. (Jack) Lewis dies
November 22, 1963, Aldous Huxley dies
November 22, 1906, SOS distress signal adopted.
November 22, 1916, Jack London commits SUICIDE
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-<<July 2, 1961: at home in Ketchum, Idaho, Earnest HEMINGway
donned a kimono, called a friend,
identifying himself as Dr. HEMMINGStein
(the doctor was a reference to his father, also a suicide,
HEMMINGStein a derivative of Hemingway's own anti-Semitism),
and lodged a shotgun in his mouth.>>
July 2, 1996 - Actress Margaux HEMINGway commits suicide
in her Malibu home, 35 years to the day
after the suicide of her father.
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Thomas Cranmer born (Thursday) July 2, 1489
+340
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Nicholas Galois hangs himself (Thursday) July 2, 1829
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<<Nostradamus dies of DROPSY July 2, 1566 and is BURIED UPRIGHT
in one of the walls of the Church of the Cordeliers at Salon;
his wife Anne erected a marble PLAQUE to his memory.>>
9 years later on July 2, 1575: Elizabeth Vere born.
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Thomas Cranmer: (July 2, 1489 - March 21, 1556)
Shakespeare purchases (Greg.: March 20)
Blackfriar's Gate-House: March 10, 1613
Elizabeth Vere: (July 2, 1575 - March 10, 1626)
Sir Henry Wotton writes Edmund
Bacon about Globe Theatre FIRE: July 2, 1613
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Letter written by Sir Henry WOttON (former spy for Essex)
to Edmund Bacon on July 2, 1613:
The King's players had a new play, called All is True,
representing some principal pieces of the reign of
Henry VIII, which was set forth with many extraordinary
circumstances of pomp and majesty....Now, King Henry making
a masque at the Cardinal WOLSEY's house, and certain
chambers being shot off at his entry, some of the paper, or
other stuff, wherewith one of them was stopped, did light on
the thatch, where being at first but an idle SMOKE, and
their eyes more attentive to the show, it kindled inwardly,
and ran around like a train, consuming within less than an
hour the whole house to the very grounds. This was the
fatal period of that virtuous *FABRIC* ; wherein yet nothing
did perish but wood and straw, and a few forsaken cloaks;
only one man had his breeches set on FIRE, that would
perhaps have broiled him, if he had not by the benefit
of a provident wit put it out with bottle ale.
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From Henry Bluett to Richard Weeks, July 4, 1613:
"On tewsday last there was acted at the Globe a new play called
all is triewe wch had been acted not passinge 2 or 3 times
before. there came many people to see it in so much that ye
howse was very full and as the play was almost ended the house
was FIREd wth shooting off a Chamber wch was stopt wth
towe wch was blown up into the thetch of the house
and so burnt downe to the ground."
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Art Neuendorffer
Elizabeth Weir
> -----------------------------------------------------
> 1) "Facts are the world's data." - Stephen J. Gould
>
> Facts = "literary history"
> -----------------------------------------------------
> 2) "Theories are the structures of ideas that explain and interpret
> facts." - Stephen J. Gould
> c) the total fabrication of "literary history" in order to spread
> Masonic humanist (anti-war/concern for poor) propaganda.
Why didn't you say that a long time ago, Art? That
particular equation would never have occurred to me.
Although I'm fairly sure Stephen J. Gould would never
endorse it. And what do you mean by 'literary history."
The facts of literary history are 'Hawthorne wrote
The Scarlet Letter.' Facts of literary history are not
She had wandered, without rule or guidance, into a moral
wilderness. Her intellect and heart had their home, as it
were, in desert places, where she roamed as freely as the
wild Indian in his woods. The scarlet letter was her
passport into regions where other women dared not tread.
Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers -
stern and wild ones - and they had made her strong, but
taught her much amiss. (Hawthorne, Scarlet Letter).
And isn't it the peasant-murdering Marxists who
spread 'anti-war/concern for poor' propaganda?
Are the Masons Marxists? I thought the Masons
were into RV-ing and Lawrence Welk reruns. I think
they're all Republicans, Art.
Elizabeth
Art Neuendorffer
-----------------------------------------------------
1) "Facts are the world's data." - Stephen J. Gould
a) literary "history & legend"
b) literature itself
-----------------------------------------------------
2) "Theories are the structures of ideas that explain
and interpret facts." - Stephen J. Gould
a) the literal truth of "literary history"
& the fiction of "literature itself"
pointing to Stratford authorship
b)the literal truth of "literature itself"
& the partial fabrication of "literary history"
pointing to standard Oxfordianism,
Baconianism, Marlovianism, etc.
c) the total fabrication of "literary history"
& the partial truth of "literature & literary legend"
so as to spread Masonic humanist (anti-war/ anti-slavery
/concern for the disenfrancised) propaganda.
-----------------------------------------------------
"Elizabeth Weir" <elizabe...@mail.com> wrote
> Why didn't you say that a long time ago, Art? That
> particular equation would never have occurred to me.
> Although I'm fairly sure Stephen J. Gould would never
> endorse it. And what do you mean by 'literary history."
All that stuff about Shakspere that is
just a regurgitation of Oxford's life for one:
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CHAMBERLAIN John ----- MARY MARgerY Webbe
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his 'marke'] | her 'marke']
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/ \ [illiterate]
MARgerY Shakspere ------------ Anne
[BROOK House] |[b. 1556]
[Shaxpere's Boys] |
[Shakspere GLOVES] |
[Golding's 'OVID'] |
[STRATFORD upon Avon] |
[God's 'I am that I am'] |
[1586 DEER Park poacher] |
[£1,000/year for 18 years] |
[MERES' Top 10 in comedy (1598)] |
[Crest: FALCON w./SPEAR in DEXTER CLAW] |
[Henry Evans=> 1608 Lessor of BLACKFRIARS Th.] |
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h{ALL DR.} ---------- SUSANna
[d. on Lope de Vega's Wednesday birthday [b. May 26]
exactly 9 YEARS after edwa{RD ALL}eyn died] [could write name]
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GREAT CHAMBERLAIN John ----------- MARgerY
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MARY Oxford ----------------- Anne
[BROOKE House] | [b. 1556]
[Oxford's Boys] |
[Oxford GLOVES] |
[Golding's 'OVID'] |
[STRATFORD atte Bowe] |
[God's 'I am that I am'] |
[1604 DEER Park warden] |
[£1,000/year for 18 years] |
[MERES' Top 10 in comedy (1598)] |
[Crest: LION w./broken LANCE in DEXTER PAW] |
[Henry Evans=> 1583 Lessor of BLACKFRIARS Th.] |
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Herbert (Philip) ------ SUSAN
[b. St. LONGINUS day] [b. May 26]
[Folio dedicatee] [Jaggard dedicatee]
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> The facts of literary history are 'Hawthorne wrote
> The Scarlet Letter.' Facts of literary history are not
>
> She had wandered, without rule or guidance, into a moral
> wilderness. Her intellect and heart had their home, as it
> were, in desert places, where she roamed as freely as the
> wild Indian in his woods. The scarlet letter was her
> passport into regions where other women dared not tread.
> Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers -
> stern and wild ones - and they had made her strong, but
> taught her much amiss. (Hawthorne, Scarlet Letter).
Right: the latter is "literature itself."
"Elizabeth Weir" <elizabe...@mail.com> wrote
> And isn't it the peasant-murdering Marxists who
> spread 'anti-war/concern for poor' propaganda?
Are you talking about Dave Webb?
> Are the Masons Marxists? I thought the Masons
> were into RV-ing and Lawrence Welk reruns.
> I think they're all Republicans, Art.
Abe Lincoln was a Republican, Elizabeth.
Art Neuendorffer
David L. Webb
elizabe...@mail.com (Elizabeth Weir) wrote:
> "Art Neuendorffer" <aneuendor...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:<da-dnQoxgYn...@comcast.com>...
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > 1) "Facts are the world's data." - Stephen J. Gould
> >
> > Facts = "literary history"
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > 2) "Theories are the structures of ideas that explain and interpret
> > facts." - Stephen J. Gould
> [ . . .]
> > c) the total fabrication of "literary history" in order to spread
> > Masonic humanist (anti-war/concern for poor) propaganda.
> Why didn't you say that a long time ago, Art?
He did.
> That
> particular equation would never have occurred to me.
Yes, Art's Masonic conspiracy theory is one of the very few notions
crazy enough that even Elizabeth would never have thought of them!
[...]
> And isn't it the peasant-murdering Marxists who
> spread 'anti-war/concern for poor' propaganda?
>
> Are the Masons Marxists?
No.
> I thought the Masons
> were into RV-ing and Lawrence Welk reruns. I think
> they're all Republicans, Art.
They certainly are not "all Republicans." In particular, Franklin
Roosevelt and Harry Truman were conspicuous non-Republicans, as is
Senator John Glenn. I doubt that Justice Thurgood Marshall was ever a
Republican either. Ditto for Medgar Evers and the Rev. Jesse Jackson.
However, there is nonetheless a streak of conservatism in contemporary
Freemasonry of which Art appears to be blithely unaware.
Art Neuendorffer
> > > -----------------------------------------------------
> > > 1) "Facts are the world's data." - Stephen J. Gould
> > >
> > > Facts = "literary history"
> > > -----------------------------------------------------
> > > 2) "Theories are the structures of ideas that explain and interpret
> > > facts." - Stephen J. Gould
> > [ . . .]
> > > c) the total fabrication of "literary history" in order to spread
> > > Masonic humanist (anti-war/concern for poor) propaganda.
> elizabe...@mail.com (Elizabeth Weir) wrote:
>
> > Why didn't you say that a long time ago, Art?
"David L. Webb" <david....@dartmouth.edu> wrote
> He did.
Indeed!
> elizabe...@mail.com (Elizabeth Weir) wrote:
>
> > That particular equation would never have occurred to me.
"David L. Webb" <david....@dartmouth.edu> wrote
> Yes, Art's Masonic conspiracy theory is one of the very few notions
> crazy enough that even Elizabeth would never have thought of them!
We all agree that it is crazy;
the question is whether it is crazy enough to be true.
> elizabe...@mail.com (Elizabeth Weir) wrote:
>
> > And isn't it the peasant-murdering Marxists who
> > spread 'anti-war/concern for poor' propaganda?
> >
> > Are the Masons Marxists?
"David L. Webb" <david....@dartmouth.edu> wrote
> No.
Is that why you didn't join the Masons?
> elizabe...@mail.com (Elizabeth Weir) wrote:
>
> > I thought the Masons
> > were into RV-ing and Lawrence Welk reruns.
> > I think they're all Republicans, Art.
"David L. Webb" <david....@dartmouth.edu> wrote
> They certainly are not "all Republicans." In particular, Franklin
> Roosevelt and Harry Truman were conspicuous non-Republicans, as is
> Senator John Glenn. I doubt that Justice Thurgood Marshall was ever a
> Republican either. Ditto for Medgar Evers and the Rev. Jesse Jackson.
> However, there is nonetheless a streak of conservatism in contemporary
> Freemasonry of which Art appears to be blithely unaware.
It's not that they are particularly liberal;
rather they are compassionately conservative.
Scrooge still ORDERED Cratchit to buy a new coal scuttle
(after first playing a rather cruel practical joke on him).
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Art Neuendorffer
Art Neuendorffer
> >> Are the Masons Marxists? I thought the Masons
> >> were into RV-ing and Lawrence Welk reruns.
> >> I think they're all Republicans, Art.
> Neuendorffer" <aneuendor...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Abe Lincoln was a Republican, Elizabeth.
"Janice B. Miller" <jbmi...@world.std.com> wrote
> Oh, don't confuse poor Lizzie with our confusing political terminology,
Art.
> She's still having problems with the New England Puritans -- she has two
> hundred and fifty or so years before she gets to Lincoln.
>
> My parents, just a little while ago, visited a Lowell, Mass., textile mill
> museum and were surprised by the strong pro-labor stance of the
> presentation. I was surprised that they were surprised. (My parents are
> usually fairly pro-labor.) Are the people who run the museum (probably a
> community group) Masons, or Masonic dupes, or what, in your estimation,
Art?
Atlanta GA
Bald Knob AR
Cadillac MI
De Land FL
Eugene OR
Flagstaff AZ
Gaithersburg MD
Hialeah FL
Isanti MN
J <none>
Kennewick WA
Lowell MA
Markham IL
New Haven CT
Orlando FL
Puyallup WA
Q <none>
Rochester NY
St Louis MO
Tarrant AL
Ulumalu HI
V <none>
Warsaw IN
X <none>
Yuba City CA
Z <none>
Art Neuendorffer
Art Neuendorffer
> What's this, Art? Are there no cities in the US that start with the
letter
> 'J'?
Look more carefully, Janice.
Elizabeth Weir
> > "Art Neuendorffer" <aneuendor...@comcast.net>
[...]
> (anti-war/anti-slavery/concern for the disenfrancised) propaganda.
>
> Concealing Shakespeare & Dr. Seuss is just a small part of it.
>
> But if one piece is revealed then the whole thing starts to unravel.
>
> Art N.
There is a vast 'rhetorical' conspiracy, Art. There is no
'vast literary conspiracy.' Bacon and three or four
other philosophers culminating in Lord Russell
penetrated the 'rhetorical conspiracy.' Bentham
was one. Nobody would ever accuse Bentham of
being a Mason.
Elizabeth
Elizabeth Weir
What's missing is motive, Art. Why would the Masons
go to all the trouble of faking up the quartos and the
First Folio just to deprive history of Oxford's authorship?
Anyway, it's not a Masonic project. It's a Protestant
project. We've got that dull Stratfordian author
because he's perfect for Protestantism.
Lincoln wasn't a novelist.
Elizabeth
Art Neuendorffer
> "Art Neuendorffer" <aneuendor...@comcast.net> wrote
> > All that stuff about Shakspere that is
> > just a regurgitation of Oxford's life for one:
"Elizabeth Weir" <elizabe...@mail.com> wrote
> What's missing is motive, Art. Why would the Masons
> go to all the trouble of faking up the quartos and the
> First Folio just to deprive history of Oxford's authorship?
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In a 1615 verse-letter to Ben Jonson,
F.B.(Francis Beaumont?) wrote:
"Here I would let slip
(If I had any in me) scholarship,
And from all learning keep these lines as clear
as Shakespeare's BEST are, which our heires shall
HEARE PREACHERS APTE TO THEIR AUDITORS TO SHOWE
how farr sometimes a mortall man may goe
by the dimme light of NATURE..."
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> Anyway, it's not a Masonic project. It's a Protestant
> project. We've got that dull Stratfordian author
> because he's perfect for Protestantism.
Freemasons were to Protestants
what Jesuits were to Catholics.
Art Neuendorffer
David L. Webb
"Art Neuendorffer" <aneuendor...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > "Art Neuendorffer" <aneuendor...@comcast.net>
(aneuendor...@comicass.nut) wrote
[...]
> > > All that stuff about Shakspere that is
> > > just a regurgitation of Oxford's life for one:
> "Elizabeth Weir" <elizabe...@mail.com> wrote
>
> > What's missing is motive, Art. Why would the Masons
> > go to all the trouble of faking up the quartos and the
> > First Folio just to deprive history of Oxford's authorship?
> In a 1615 verse-letter to Ben Jonson,
> F.B.(Francis Beaumont?) wrote:
As long as you're speculating freely, Art, why not Francis Bacon?
That ought to win over Elizabeth Weird, an acoylte of the Renaissance
genius.
> "Here I would let slip
> (If I had any in me) scholarship,
> And from all learning keep these lines as clear
> as Shakespeare's BEST are, which our heires shall
> HEARE PREACHERS APTE TO THEIR AUDITORS TO SHOWE
> how farr sometimes a mortall man may goe
> by the dimme light of NATURE..."
> > Anyway, it's not a Masonic project. It's a Protestant
> > project. We've got that dull Stratfordian author
> > because he's perfect for Protestantism.
> Freemasons were to Protestants
> what Jesuits were to Catholics.
But Art -- according to the Hermetic nutcases whose hilarious hogwash
you profess to reVERE, Freemasonry was in existence in antiquity, long
before Christianity, let alone Protestantism! (Of course, since you
believe Virgil to have predated Herodotus, perhaps you also believe
Protestantism to have predated Christianity.) In any case, it can
scarcely have escaped even YOUR attention that the original Templars
were Catholics of even greater fervor than the Jesuits. A better
analogy would be: Jesuits were to Catholics what
aneuendor...@comicass.nut is to cranks.
Art Neuendorffer
> > > > All that stuff about Shakspere that is
> > > > just a regurgitation of Oxford's life for one:
>
> > "Elizabeth Weir" <elizabe...@mail.com> wrote
> >
> > > What's missing is motive, Art. Why would the Masons
> > > go to all the trouble of faking up the quartos and the
> > > First Folio just to deprive history of Oxford's authorship?
> "Art Neuendorffer" <aneuendor...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > In a 1615 verse-letter to Ben Jonson,
> > F.B.(Francis Beaumont?) wrote:
"David L. Webb" <david....@dartmouth.edu> wrote
> As long as you're speculating freely, Art, why not Francis Bacon?
I would never speculate freely, Dave.
> "Art Neuendorffer" <aneuendor...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > "Here I would let slip
> > (If I had any in me) scholarship,
> > And from all learning keep these lines as clear
> > as Shakespeare's BEST are, which our heires shall
> > HEARE PREACHERS APTE TO THEIR AUDITORS TO SHOWE
> > how farr sometimes a mortall man may goe
> > by the dimme light of NATURE..."
> > "Elizabeth Weir" <elizabe...@mail.com> wrote
> >
> > > Anyway, it's not a Masonic project. It's a Protestant
> > > project. We've got that dull Stratfordian author
> > > because he's perfect for Protestantism.
> "Art Neuendorffer" <aneuendor...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Freemasons were to Protestants
> > what Jesuits were to Catholics.
>
> But Art -- according to the Hermetic nutcases whose hilarious hogwash
> you profess to reVERE, Freemasonry was in existence in antiquity, long
> before Christianity, let alone Protestantism! In any case, it can
> scarcely have escaped even YOUR attention that the original Templars
> were Catholics of even greater fervor than the Jesuits.
I think they had some sort of falling out in 1306.
Art Neuendorffer