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The picture may be the mother of Ferdinando, Lord Strange, and Lord Derby

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lyra

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Aug 22, 2006, 8:31:28 AM8/22/06
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The large heraldic arms were added later; they belonged to Lady Eleanor

Brandon, but she cannot be the lady depicted because she had died in
1547, around twenty years before this was painted.

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http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=4208

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Lady Eleanor Brandon is
Ferdinando Lord Stange's, and William, Earl of Derby's,
grandmother.

I wonder if the picture is of their mother,

Eleanor's daughter.

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Lady Margaret Clifford (1540-September 28, 1596)
was the daughter of Henry Clifford, 2nd Earl of Cumberland
and Lady Eleanor Brandon.

According to the will of Henry VIII, Margaret was the heir to the
throne of England between the death of Lady Mary Grey in 1578 and her
own death.

Margaret outlived her eldest son, Ferdinando; her granddaughter, Lady
Anne Stanley, Ferdinando's daughter, took her place as heiress
presumptive. This proved meaningless as Anne was never allowed to
succeed Queen regnant Elizabeth I of England.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Margaret_Clifford

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I find that

http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Bios/EleanorBrandon.htm

has the same picture as

Margaret Clifford

(C. Derby)

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lyra

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Aug 22, 2006, 8:35:08 AM8/22/06
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Lady Eleanor Brandon

>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lady Eleanor Brandon (1519 - September 27, 1547) was the third child
and second daughter of Charles Brandon, 1st Duke of Suffolk and Mary
Tudor, former queen consort of France. She was a younger sister of
Henry Brandon, 1st Earl of Lincoln and Lady Frances Brandon.

Her paternal grandparents were Sir William Brandon and Elizabeth Bruyn.
Her maternal grandparents were Henry VII of England and his queen
consort Elizabeth of York.

Her maternal uncles included Arthur, Prince of Wales, Henry VIII of
England and Edmund Tudor, Duke of Somerset. Her maternal aunts included
Margaret Tudor, Elizabeth Tudor and Katherine Tudor.

She was possibly named after Eleonore of Austria, eldest daughter to
Philip I of Castile and Joanna of Castile, niece to Catherine of Aragon
and Queen consort of Manuel I of Portugal.


Countess of Cumberland

Eleanor was a member of the Tudor dynasty and therefore her marriage
would advance the political ambitions of any given husband. In 1533,
her father agreed to her engagement to Henry Clifford, 2nd Earl of
Cumberland.

Her new fiancé was a son of Henry Clifford, 1st Earl of Cumberland and
Margaret Percy. His maternal grandparents were Henry Algernon Percy,
5th Earl of Northumberland and Catherine Spencer.

His maternal grandfather was a son of Henry Percy, 4th Earl of
Northumberland and Maud Herbert, Countess of Northumberland. His
maternal grandmother was a daughter of Sir Robert Spencer and Eleanor
Beaufort. Eleanor was a daughter of Edmund Beaufort, 2nd Duke of
Somerset and Eleanor Beauchamp. She was a granddaughter of Richard de
Beauchamp, 13th Earl of Warwick and Elizabeth Berkeley.

In January, 1536, Eleanor was designated the chief mourner for the
funeral service of Catherine of Aragon, first Queen consort of Henry
VIII , at Peterborough Cathedral.

She married her fiancé in June, 1537 at latest. They were parents of
three children:

Lady Margaret Clifford (1540 - September 28, 1596). She was consort to
Henry Stanley, 4th Earl of Derby.

Henry Clifford. Died an infant.
Charles Clifford. Died an infant.


Prospects of succeeding to the throne

The English Act of Succession of March 23, 1544,
defined that Eleanor was in line to succeed her maternal uncle Henry
VIII.
She was eighth-in-line for the throne following:

Prince Edward Tudor, her first cousin.

Lady Mary Tudor, her first cousin.

Lady Elizabeth Tudor, her first cousin.

Lady Frances Brandon, her elder sister.

Lady Jane Grey, her eldest niece.

Lady Catherine Grey, her second niece.

Lady Mary Grey, her third niece.

Henry VIII died on January 28, 1547. Prince Edward became King Edward
VI. Lady Eleanor was the seventh-in-line for the throne. But she died
on September 27 of the same year. Her place in line was taken by her
daughter.

Her husband was later remarried to Anne Dacre (c. 1521 - July, 1581).
Anne was a daughter of William Dacre, 3rd Baron Dacre (April 29, 1500 -
November 18, 1563) and Elizabeth Talbot. Her maternal grandparents were
George Talbot, 4th Earl of Shrewsbury and Anne Hastings. Cumberland and
his second wife were parents to six more children.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Eleanor_Brandon"

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lyra

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Aug 22, 2006, 9:12:45 AM8/22/06
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A different Lady Margaret Clifford...

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Lady Margaret Clifford's Alchemical Receipt Book and the John Dee
Circle

Author: Bayer, Penny
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This first detailed analysis of "Lady Margaret Clifford's Alchemical
Receipt Book,"
held in the Cumbrian Record Office, examines the basis for its
association with
Lady Margaret Clifford (1560-1616), placing particular emphasis on
the connections in the manuscript book with the John Dee circle.

After a brief introduction to the manuscript, which for brevity is
referred to as The Margaret Manuscript, I describe the external
evidence for its association with Lady Margaret, and discuss internal
evidence within the manuscript that suggests links with the John Dee
circle, in several ways - by source of receipts, signs of ownership
and possible authorship, and access to Paracelsian books.

Finally, I examine Lady Margaret's connections with John Dee, and
suggest that she had the opportunity to obtain receipts and access to
library material for the manuscript during her visit to Dee's Mortlake
home in 1593 and through intermediaries with Dee at Manchester during
the period 1597-1600. A hypothesis for one of the main hands in the
manuscript is put forward: that the alchemist-vicar Christopher
Taylour compiled the receipt book for Lady Margaret by liasing on her
behalf with members of the Dee-Kelley circle.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/maney/amb/2005/00000052/00000003/art00005;jsessionid=u26dd4mw08wn.alice

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