Numa's burned books
Neuendorffer
Numa => Nemo
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ANCIENT ROMAN RELIGION BY FRANK PONTIFEX
http://members.aol.com/hlabadjr/Gelli.htm
<<In his book The City of God (Civitas Dei) (VII,34),
St Augustine of Hippo (354-430), the great Father
of the Western Church and theologian, mentions an episode
reported by the Roman historian and polymath Varro (116-27 BC)
himself the author of a work on the nature of the
ancient Roman religion.
Varro, in his book On the Worship of the Gods,
relates the following:
"A man named Terentius had a farm near the Janiculum. His
ploughman was driving his plough near the tomb of Numa
Pompilius - the second king of Rome - when he turned up the
books of that author which dealt with the reasons for the
established ceremonies of the Roman religion. He immediately
took them to the city and handed them to the magistrate (
praetor). The magistrate took a look at the opening passages
and then reported the find to the Senate, as a matter of
great importance. When the leading senators had read some of
the reasons given by King Numa for various religious
practices, the senate approved the action of the deceased
king, and as pious men, decreed that the magistrate should
burn those books."
Here is an intriguing question. What was in those books?
What were the reasons - set out by King Numa Pompilius in
the books which he had had buried next to himself - the
reasons for the religious rites and ceremonies which he, as
a pious and virtuous lawgiver and High Priest, bequeathed to
the Roman people?
This is not an idle question to raise at the beginning of
my talk. It is not idle because King Numa was credited by
the Roman people with having set up the ancestral forms of
worship which were distinctive of their race and their
civilisation. Of course, before King Numa, the second king,
came the first king of Rome, indeed, its founder, Romulus,
who apparently gave his own name to the city (Romulus=Roma).
Romulus himself was both king and priest - it was Romulus
who introduced the cult of the sacred fire and appointed
holy virgins, the Vestals, who kindled the sacred fire.
Romulus was also a diviner and so carried for this purpose
the lituus a crooked staff used by the auguries,
those who observed the flights of birds in the sky for
purposes of divination, the reading of the omens, to mark
out the regions of the heavens. Furthermore according to one
tradition Romulus did not actually experience physical death
but was caught up in heaven during a thunderstorm and so
became a god. ( Nothing unprecedented in this of course.
Think of Enoch and Elijah in the Bible. They too were taken
up into heaven bodily while still alive. (Indeed, think of
the dogma of the Assumption, proclaimed by the Roman
Catholic Church as recently as 1951, which teaches that the
Blessed Virgin Mary was both in body and soul, during her
own earthly life asssumed into Heaven.) However, all this
notwithstanding, it was King Numa whom the Romans saw as
laying down the foundations of the res publica, the state,
by the institution of his religious ceremonies. The religion
of Numa became an expression whereby the Roman people
referred to its most ancient and cherished usages, cults and
traditions.
So, again, why was it that the senators of Rome, after
having inspected Numa's books, decided to have them
destroyed?
It is a fascinating puzzle, a real enigma. St Augustine
of course jumps to conclusions. He infers straightaway that
King Numa, led on by an unlawful curiousity, had discovered
certain secrets of the demons, which he himself had
committed to writing to assist his memory. But although he
was king and had no reason to fear any man, he did not
venture to pass on the information to anyone...he did not
want anyone to know, for he shrank from passing on a lesson
in corruption...the senate, for its part, recoiled from the
prospect of condemning their ancestral religion, and
therefore felt obliged to approve of Numa's action; but the
Fathers decided that the books were so dangerous that the
outrageous documents had to be consigned to the flames,for they
believed it essential that those ceremonies should continue.
Here one must observe that for St Augustine virtually the
whole of pagan religion, hence also the Roman religion, was
of demonic origin. I personally also suspect that Augustine,
by 'the secret of the demons', had something specific in mind.
King Numa ( originally a Sabine, from the city of Cures),
held regular sessions with Egeria, a nymph or goddess, (a
goddess of fountains, who possessed the gift of prophecy ) -
or maybe she was just a young maiden who had the spirit of
divination. Be that as it may, Egeria was his counsellor,
maybe his consort as well. Numa would meet in a field on the
Aventine Hill, at night, in a place where a sacred spring
arose afterwards. Egeria granted him all sorts of
revelations and instructions, and it may well be that this
is what St Augustine had in mind. (The saint also accuses
Numa of the magical practice of hydromancy, divination by
water, probably because this connection with the spring.)
However, we also know that Numa was a Pythagorean, a mystic
and a peace-loving man, rather hostile to war-making -
somewhat unusual for a an ancient Roman; for them war was a
way of life - and these traits of his personality should be
noted here.
Although amongst the Romans sacred books did not have the
same key role as, say, in Judaism, prophetic, inspired
writings, such as the famous Sibylline Books, were held in
very high regard by them. These books were collections of
oracular utterances of great antiquity, composed originally
in Greek. They eventually made their way to Italy, to a
place called Cumae, according to tradition, where the local
prophetess, the Cumaen Sibyl who had once prophesied to
Aeneas , the protoancestor of the Roman race - sold them to
King Tarquin the Proud, the last King, who had them
preserved in a vault beneath the Temple of Jupiter on the
Capitol. (They were actually destroyed during the burning of
the Capitol in 83 BC but the Senate had new collection made,
and they survived until the year 405 AD.) King Tarquin had a
special body of men, the duumviri, originally two but
gradually increased to 15, the quindecimviri (the
Quindecimviri Sacris Faciundis, Fifteen men for
celebrating the sacred rites), appointed to inspect the
Sibylline books. The books were not actually consulted in
order to foretell the future but on the occasion of
calamities, like pestilences, plagues, earthquakes and so
on. The Books contained the rites of atonement or expiation
necessary to appease the Gods. These religious rites were
then made public but never the oracles themselves. The
actual meaning of the oracles, I ought to note, was not
self-evident. Like the Christian Bible, the words of the
Books had to be interpreted. For example, on one occasion,
towards the end of the second war with Carthage (204 BC),
the oracles identified by the quindecimviri was "The mother
is missing". This was interpreted to mean that the Books
demanded the introduction into Rome of the cult of Cybele,
the Great Mother, a Goddess of the powers of nature and of
the art of cultivation, from Phrygia. The rites of Cybele, I
ought to stress, were not, at least at first, pleasing to
the Romans - during the processions in honour of the Magna
Mater the priests, the Corybantes, in a frenzy would
mutilate themselves - but the oracles had to be obeyed, it
was a matter of the Divine Will. The PAX DEOROM, the Peace
of the Gods, and with the Gods, had to be kept.
The God Liber ( female counterpart Libera) is the
counterpart of the Greek Dionysus, God of wine, frenetic
music and orgies. One epithet of Dionysus was Eleutheros, or
the Liberator, a Liberator presumably from conventional
social and moral restraints. The festivals of the
Liberalia were held on 17 March, at the
beginning of Spring. The poet Virgil tells us in his
Georgicae of Dionysiac behavior during this Festival, with
lascivious dancing, singing, drinking (Liber, the Romans
called wine Liber) and primitive mummery. Apparently at this
time also a gross, dissolute Roman farce, the Farsa Atellana
was also performed.
Liber gives rise etymologically to Libertas, liberty.
It is no coincidence, I think, that liberty can
easily degenerate into licence, an abuse of freedom , and
indeed licentiousness.
Liber, his female counterpart Libera and Ceres, the
Goddess of Agriculture, the ripening of corn (whose name is
preserved in the English word cereal - whenever you eat your
cerals in the morning you are indirectly acknowledging the
goddess Ceres - constituted a Trinity, whose cult was
introduced by the Sybilline Books.
Which takes me back to the beginning. What was the
content of the books by King Numa, dug up much later on
under the Republic? Let me first tell you what I think St
Augustine thought the books were about.
I strongly suspect that St Augustine believed the books
to have contained unseemly, obscene rituals, like Priapic,
phallic, pornographic symbols and emblems and suchlike. My
grounds for believing that is that, as Mr LaBadie again put
it, "St Augustine would have put the worst possible, or
least generous construction on the reports of Numa's books".
his is partly because you do not have to be obsessed with
Freudian, psychoanalitic modes of psychological
interpretation to accept that St Augustine was exceedingly
sensitive - some would say morbidly so - to the sins of the
flesh. Indeed, the in the chapters in the City of God which
precede the episode of the discovery of Numa's books, St
Augustine makes several disparaging references to the
putatively perverted character of many pagan rites and
practices, such as indeed the rites the already mentioned
Liber and Priapus; the orgiastic rites, along with
self-mutilation by the priests, of the mysteries of Attis;
the presence in Carthage, when Augustine was a young man, of
the transvestite eunuch priests of the Magna Mater, the
Great Goddess. I would also invite you to look up Plutarch's
Life of Romulus, in his Parallel Lives, for a very
significant episode in this context, concerning how the
handmaiden of the King Tarchesius gave birth to the holy
twins (Plutarch 2:3-6).
(In all fairness to St Augustine one should note that he
wasn't the only one to feel revolted by the lewd character
of some ancient rites. It wasn't just a matter of his
personal or Christian hang-ups. Many Romans of the old
school strongly disapproved of them as well, considering
them corrupting oriental influence on Roman youth. The
historian Livy tells us that when the rites of Bacchus (The
Bacchanalia, Bacchus is the name applied to the Greek God
Dionysus ) first crept into Rome, the Senate had them
brutally suppressed - many of the Bacchantes, the
worshippers of Bacchus, were killed or thrown into prison.
Their places of worship were demolished and destroyed.
Against St Augustine's inferred pejorative interpretation
of the contents of the books, I would urge:
a) Numa was a Pythagorean, a mystic and a peace-loving
ruler. Pythagorean thought had no interest in orgiastic
matters but was ascetic, monastic, austere and philosophical;
b) Numa was a Sabine of aristocratic origin. The Priapic
and pornographic ceremonies mentioned by St Augustine tended
to be associated with demotic, plebeian, emotional
'popular' religion, which drew
the lower strata of the ancient world. Priapus was a lower
God, a rustic, gross deity which had little appeal to the
religiously sophisticated. Now, the official original
religion of Rome was firmly anchored in the ethos and
traditions of the Patrician class - indeed the priests
initially had to be patricians. Numa's books would have been
unlikely to contain references to the ceremonies and rites
favoured by the plebeian, lower strata of the population.
WHAT WERE THE BOOKS ABOUT THEN? Well, of course, I do not
know for sure but I can suggest what they might have been
about.
a) Again, Numa was said to be a Pythagorean. Maybe his
books contained harmless Pythagorean spiritual teachings and
dietary prescriptions, such as abstaining from eating beans,
not to let swallows share one's roof and not to step over a
crossbar. Who knows, maybe teachings about reincarnation, or
the transmigration of souls;
b)We know that Numa's inspired confidante was Egeria (
whoever she actually was, Goddess or Mortal Woman). Some the
books contained formulas, prayers, magic spells,
incantations given to him by Egeria. Maybe, as again Mr
LaBadie suggests, even the magic formula - which Jupiter
himself gave him - whereby the King could call down
lightening from Heaven.
c) Maybe the Books contained what we shall never know
about. The contents of Numa's books then, like the secret of
Rome's mysterious name, is destined to remain secret for ever.
d) Maybe the books were a hoax. But to what effect? It
would take me too far afield to dilate upon this. I hope it
will be the subject of another paper.
But why then, did the Roman magistrate, Praetor Petilius,
handed over Numa's writings to the Senate and why did the
Senate determined upon their being destroyed? Why, unless
they were somewhat dangerous to then security of the
State?
Well, of course, if you found a surefire formula for
causing the death of people by cursing them, or invoking
lightening unto their heads, I hope you too would be alarmed
and would not wish such secrets to be generally divulged.
(The Romans, incidentally, strongly believed in the efficacy
of curses. When the Roman General Crassus set out on the war
against the Parthians, a tribune, incensed because Crassus
was waging aggressive war against a people who had not
attacked first, called some dreadful punishment on
Crassus'head by using ancient curses ("naming strange and
horrible deities", Plutarch tells us). Crassus was
eventuallyy defeated by the Parthians at the battle of
Carrhae, he was killed and his army wiped out.)
So maybe that is why the Senate acted the way it did. The
curses therein were too dangerous to be be made known to all
and sundries.
On the other hand, it could be, that Numa's peace-loving
tendencies were a bit embarassing for the Roman people - a
most warlike nation who has not often been at peace in its
history ( Rome was described as an armed camp in the midst
of the surrounding nations ). Maybe his books contained some
wholesale condemnation of war. This, again, would have been
a sound reason for not wanting the books to become common
knowledge. Maybe their content was felt to be unpatriotic,
so to speak.>>
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Art Neuendorffer
Neuendorffer
ANCIENT ROMAN RELIGION BY FRANK PONTIFEX
http://members.aol.com/hlabadjr/Gelli.htm
<<The ideological roots of the British Empire
and of the expansion of the English,
Welsh and Scottish nations all over the globe may
well be traced back to the Puritan belief - given poetic
ardour and glory by the poetry of John Milton - of a
God-appointed role for the English nation, the English as a
peculiar people, chosen to bear the standard of Reformed
Christianity before all the world. The English would
therefore have a special position before God and the other
nations as well. It is the high self-conscious sense of a
mission, of a divinely appointed role, of a God-driven will
to world-power that would establish an analogy between Roman
and British empires. (This attitude was abandoned later on,
at least consciously, but survived in other ways, maybe in
the attitude of "splendid isolation", which has been for
such a long time a decisive factor in British foreign
policy.) Like Rome, England (Britain) felt a responsibility,
both before God and the world, to serve for the welfare of
the world and the welfare of her neighbour by establishing
her own rule, the PAX BRITANNICA.
However, the problem is, I suppose, that Protestant,
Puritan Christianity largely lacks the highly ritualist, I
would say sacramental features of much of old Roman
religion. A better example to me is that of the Church of
England. Here is a Church which historically has been in
full symbiosis with the State. Thanks to the Establishment,
the Church of England is - or until recently was - the
Church of the English, the Church of the English Nation, an
intensely patriotic national Church. Indeed, historically
speaking, the Church of England has given its full
contribution to the adventurous exploits, the endevours
which resulted in the British Empire. The Head of the
Anglican Church ( I should say Governour) is the Monarch -
the King is also the Pontifex Maximus, if you like (indeed
Henry VIII probably would have been happy to consider
himself a sort of English Pope and Parliament, the English
Senate, was for a long time a sort of Lay Synod of the
Church of England). Through this monarchic headship, both
Church and Nation are offered the opportunity of feeling
themselves both closely united and connected with heavenly
realities and so given a firm sense of special identity and
purpose as a people.
The Church of England is sacramental, has its rites,
ceremonies and mysteries, its pontiffs - the Bishops - its
flamines, priests - its enthusiastic corybantes in the
modern evangelicals and charismatics. Indeed, the Anglican
Church even has its own specially appointed ceremony for
uttering curses. In the Anglican Prayer Book of 1962 you
will find the Service of Commination, or the denouncing of
God's Anger Against Sinners - which is just that, a book of
curses.>>
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Art Neuendorffer
Libyad817
>the nature of the
> ancient Roman religion.
>
> What were the reasons - set out by King Numa Pompilius in
> the books which he had had buried next to himself - the
> reasons for the religious rites and ceremonies which he, as
> a pious and virtuous lawgiver and High Priest, bequeathed to
> the Roman people?
Does Varro say where Numa was born? where is he from, exactly, do we know?
>Furthermore according to one
> tradition Romulus did not actually experience physical death
> but was caught up in heaven during a thunderstorm and so
> became a god. ( Nothing unprecedented in this of course.
> Think of Enoch and Elijah in the Bible. They too were taken
> up into heaven bodily
This reminds me a discussion we've been having on KATA MARKON discussion group
about the meaning of the Greek word [and in fact the debate is raging around
whether this was Koine Greek or Coptic Greek] EXEPNEUSEN - Mark 16:37 EXPIRED
in the King James Version in English {"And Jesus having uttered a cry loud
expired. 38. And the veil of the temple was rent into two, from top to
bottom."} In various etymological analyses this translation is inadequate, for
Exepneusen and its variations is more like HIS BREATH WAS A GREAT WIND - and
that is what rent the veil of the Temple in two; and therefore much like
Romulus and Elijah he was, as you say, 'caught up' during the thunderstorm and
did not die in the usual sense. Also there is the discussion ongoing that this
was indeed a Dionysian-type Ritual or Ceremony to Defy Death, much in the same
tradition as the Eleusinian Mysteries. {The KJV usually translated it as "gave
up the ghost". But never in any translation or Gospel does it say Jesus DIED on
the Cross.}
> while still alive. (Indeed, think of
> the dogma of the Assumption, proclaimed by the Roman
> Catholic Church as recently as 1951, which teaches that the
> Blessed Virgin Mary was both in body and soul, during her
> own earthly life asssumed into Heaven.)
Now you are getting cose to the answer to your question(s):
> The God Liber ( female counterpart Libera) is the
> counterpart of the Greek Dionysus, God of wine, frenetic
> music and orgies. One epithet of Dionysus was Eleutheros, or
> the Liberator, a Liberator presumably from conventional
> social and moral restraints. The festivals of the
Beneath the Temple of Apollo at Cyrene, Libya I found carved in the older
marbles LIBER as the original God(dess), which is the origin of the country's
present name; and of course Virgil in much of his work was fascinated with
Libya and Africa - as was Christopher Marlowe. As was Julius Caesar, Mark
Anthony, etc. Robert Graves says the origin of most if not all the Greek myths
came from Libya, which, as Herodotous noted in 500 B.C. was the name of all
Africa that we know now, including 'Egypt'.
The answers are in Africa, Art. Augustine, like Tertullian, was from North
Africa originally. Tertullian in fact wrote in his Heresy treatise that Herod
was Christ! It is not clear from his phrasing whether he was condemning Herod
or simply reporting a well-known fact in the early days of African
Christianity.
Dafyd
David L. Webb
the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]]
In article <39C6BE04...@erols.com>, Neuendorffer
(ph...@errors.comedy) <ph...@erols.com> wrote:
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> ANCIENT ROMAN RELIGION BY FRANK PONTIFEX
But Art -- "Pontifex" (a pseudonym!) is an anagram of
"Inept Oxf."!
> http://members.aol.com/hlabadjr/Gelli.htm
MoreoVER, the author of the web page signs himself "aka THE REVD FRANK
J. GELLI". Note that "REVD" is an anagram of "D'VER"!
> <<The ideological roots of the British Empire
> and of the expansion of the English,
> Welsh and Scottish nations all over the globe may
> well be traced back to the Puritan belief - given poetic
> ardour and glory by the poetry of John Milton - of a
> God-appointed role for the English nation, the English as a
> peculiar people,
If he knew you, Art, Revd. Gelli would not refer to the English as
"peculiar people"!
[Rest of post, having no discernible relevance to Shakespeare, deleted]
David Webb
Libyad817
> <<The ideological roots of the British Empire
> and of the expansion of the English,
> Welsh and Scottish nations all over the globe may
> well be traced back
NOT, originally, to the Puritans as is postulated here.
It does indeed go back to Roma, when Gaius Caligula in 40 A.D. banished the
misnamed Herod Antipas and Herodias (so-called in the unreliable histories of
Flavius Josephus) to Lugdunensis - which includes present-day Brittany or
Bretaigne in France; the Bretons often refer to it to this day as Armorica
(which, I think, notwithstanding the specious attribution to someone known as
Amerigo Vespucci, is the origin of the name AMERICA). Anyway, it is this ERODOS
PHIL.I.P (as referred in the Nabatean archaeologies recently uncovered, not
Philippos - lover of horses as referred to erroneously by so-called scholars of
the Gospels . . . but Phil-I-Patris, Lover of his People {see Bowersock's
outstanding studies in "Roman Arabia"} as all Roman historians know, most of
the coins and carvings were abbreviated. Phil.i.p and this so called Antipas
are one and the same man, notwithstanding the wildly inconsistent and
contradictory non-analyses of most Biblical scholarship, and the hopeless
confusion of Josephus.)
So, it was in the company of his banished King and Queen that Joseph of
Aramathae took the Grail [Gras-El, the Stomach of God - but that is another
discussion for another time!] to BRETONNE, and thence, to Caer Melyn (whom the
later French troubadours translated as Camelot) above present-day Caer Dydd
(Cardiff, Wales), across the French Channel. The close linguistic and
historical connection to this day between the latter-Kelts in Armorica and
Wales and Cornwales is well known; as is the sacred island of ENEZ AVAL not far
from Lannion in the Bretaigne peninsula.
From there, via the native myths that came from Libya (there is much
scholarship available of the African origins of ancient Cymry) in the 'Pedeir
Keinc y Mabonogi' and many other primary sources, Pryderi the son of King Pwyll
was Arthwyr. Britain comes from Prydein, the Kingdom of Pryderi - as his
relative King Llyr well knew, as Kit Marlowe well knew.> may
> well be traced back to the Puritan belief - given poetic
> ardour and glory by the poetry of John Milton - of a
> God-appointed role for the English nation, the English as a
> peculiar people,
As much as I love Milton, I must say the English are West Germanics, and not
Brytains at all - as the Welsh King Henry VII well knew. And that the 'English'
have stolen the Arthwyr lineage, as Henry VIII murdered his older brother who
was to be Arthur II.
They try to appease this evil usurpation by forcing The Prince of Wales upon us
all, knowing the divine origins of the King which go back to Roma and Christ.
>role, of a God-driven will
> to world-power that would establish an analogy between Roman
> and British empires.
NOT British, merely english.
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Dafyd ap'Saille
Libyad817
>[Rest of post, having no discernible relevance to Shakespeare, deleted]
Roma has no relevance to the author(s) of Julius Caesar, etc.?
Dafyd
Neuendorffer
>
> >the nature of the ancient Roman religion.
> >
> > the books which he had had buried next to himself - the
> > reasons for the religious rites and ceremonies which he, as
> > a pious and virtuous lawgiver and High Priest, bequeathed to
> > the Roman people?
>
> Does Varro say where Numa was born? where is he from, exactly, do we know?
Plutarch says Numa was from the Sabine city of Cures
http://209.1.224.11/Athens/Forum/6946/numa.html
http://ancienthistory.about.com/homework/ancienthistory/library/weekly/aa052599.htm
<<To provide themselves with wives, the Romans (during Romulus' reign)
had forcibly taken Sabine women. In the interests of harmony, the wives
persuaded their husbands and fathers not to slaughter each other, but
maintaining peace hadn't been easy. When Romulus died, the Sabines
refused to permit another Roman power over them, so the Romans agreed to
a Sabine king, but one of their choosing -- the honorable and
universally acceptable Numa Pompilius.>>
> >Furthermore according to one
> > tradition Romulus did not actually experience physical death
> > but was caught up in heaven during a thunderstorm and so
> > became a god. ( Nothing unprecedented in this of course.
> > Think of Enoch and Elijah in the Bible. They too were taken
> > up into heaven bodily
>
> This reminds me a discussion we've been having on KATA MARKON discussion group
> about the meaning of the Greek word [and in fact the debate is raging around
> whether this was Koine Greek or Coptic Greek] EXEPNEUSEN - Mark 16:37 EXPIRED
> in the King James Version in English {"And Jesus having uttered a cry loud
> expired. 38. And the veil of the temple was rent into two, from top to
> bottom."} In various etymological analyses this translation is inadequate, for
> Exepneusen and its variations is more like HIS BREATH WAS A GREAT WIND - and
> that is what rent the veil of the Temple in two; and therefore much like
> Romulus and Elijah he was, as you say, 'caught up' during the thunderstorm and
> did not die in the usual sense. Also there is the discussion ongoing that this
> was indeed a Dionysian-type Ritual or Ceremony to Defy Death, much in the same
> tradition as the Eleusinian Mysteries. {The KJV usually translated it as "gave
> up the ghost". But never in any translation or Gospel does it say Jesus DIED on
> the Cross.}
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THE EGYPTIAN BOOK OF THE DEAD
http://www.byu.edu/ipt/projects/egypt/BookDead.html
<<I am the goddess Sekhmet, and I take my seat upon the place by the
side of Amt-ur the great wind of heaven.
Come then, strengthen my breath, O Lord of the winds, who dost magnify
these divine beings who are like unto thyself.
Let me breathe the air which cometh forth from thy nostrils, and the
north wind which cometh forth from thy mother Nut.
Thou swallowest the winds, thou drawest into thyself the north wind,
thou eatest up the flesh of thy seat on the day when thou breathest
truth.
I know the Light-god, his winds are in my body.
Hail, thou who art exalted high upon thy standard, thou Lord of the Atef
Crown, who dost make thy name to be "Lord of the Winds," deliver thou me
from thy divine Envoys who punish and afflict according to [thy]
decrees, and who make calamities to arise, and whose faces are without
coverings, for I have done what is right and true for the Lord of Truth.
I am pure.
THE TEXTS IN THE FUNERAL CHAMBER SPEECH OF ISIS. Isis saith:- I have
come to be a protector unto thee. I waft unto thee air for thy nostrils,
and the north wind which cometh forth from the god Tem unto thy nose. I
have made whole for thee thy windpipe. I made thee to live like a god.>>
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> > while still alive. (Indeed, think of
> > the dogma of the Assumption, proclaimed by the Roman
> > Catholic Church as recently as 1951, which teaches that the
> > Blessed Virgin Mary was both in body and soul, during her
> > own earthly life asssumed into Heaven.)
>
> Now you are getting cose to the answer to your question(s):
>
> > The God Liber ( female counterpart Libera) is the
> > counterpart of the Greek Dionysus, God of wine, frenetic
> > music and orgies. One epithet of Dionysus was Eleutheros, or
> > the Liberator, a Liberator presumably from conventional
> > social and moral restraints. The festivals of the
>
> Beneath the Temple of Apollo at Cyrene, Libya I found carved in the older
> marbles LIBER as the original God(dess), which is the origin of the country's
> present name; and of course Virgil in much of his work was fascinated with
> Libya and Africa - as was Christopher Marlowe. As was Julius Caesar, Mark
> Anthony, etc. Robert Graves says the origin of most if not all the Greek myths
> came from Libya, which, as Herodotous noted in 500 B.C. was the name of all
> Africa that we know now, including 'Egypt'.
>
> The answers are in Africa, Art. Augustine, like Tertullian, was from North
> Africa originally. Tertullian in fact wrote in his Heresy treatise that Herod
> was Christ! It is not clear from his phrasing whether he was condemning Herod
> or simply reporting a well-known fact in the early days of African
> Christianity.
Herod Agrippa or Herod the Great?
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http://www.askwhy.co.uk/awcnotes/cn4/0294Saul.html
<<Acts relates next the death of Herod Agrippa which is also related by
Josephus in Antiquities of the Jews. Lampe in Peake's Commentary asserts
that the two stories are widely different in detail showing that Luke
had not read Josephus. One tends to accept experts like Lampe but
inspection shows that Luke's account is simply shorter than Josephus's
and therefore misses out much of Josephus's detail while adding one
detail of his own by contriving to have Agrippa eaten by worms like his
grandfather, Herod the Great. Josephus said Agrippa was dead within five
days of being a healthy man, while being eaten by worms suggests a
gradual decay of the flesh by cancer or gangreneå¹½erod the Great was an
old man but did not die quickly and suffered from maggots eating his
privvy member. In Antiquities, Agrippa looked up to see an owl which had
been foretold would herald his death within five days. Josephus actually
describes it as a messenger of ill-tidings. In Greek a messenger is an
angel. Luke says Agrippa was struck by an angel of the Lord. The story
in Acts therefore is remarkably similar to that of Josephus in this
particular unusual detail and could show that Luke had indeed read
Josephus. Eusebius relates the story from Josephus but omits the
explicit words pertaining to the owl, leaving only the mention of the
angel, although he retains the explanation of the bird as a herald of
death. It looks as though Eusebius, or more likely a simpler editor, has
just excised the words about the owl to leave an apparent harmony.>>
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THE OWL-ANGEL FORGERY
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/joseph_wheless/forgery_in_christianity/chapter_3.html
<< Josephus tells that Herod went to Caesarea
to attend a celebration in honor of Caesar; that as Herod entered
the stadium, clad in a robe of silver tissue, the rays of the sun
shone upon it resplendently, making him look like a supernatural
being; whereupon the crowd cried out hailing him as more than
mortal, as a god; but his mortality was quickly made evident by his
sudden illness and death. It may be explained that the word "angel"
(Greek, angelos) means simply "messenger" or herald. Thus proceeds
Josephus:
"But" he [Herod] presently afterward looked up, he saw an
owl sitting upon a certain rope over his head, and immediately
understood that this bird was a messenger [Gr. angelos] of
ill-tidings." Herod was shortly seized with "severe pains in
his belly," and died after five days of suffering." (Jos.
Antiq. Jews, XIX, viii, 2.)
This was too Paganish and prosaic for the pious Christian
fancy of Bishop Eusebius; so while he was forging the "Jesus
passage," he proceeded to give Christian embellishment for
edification to the "owl" story, with its use of the word "angelos."
So he quotes in full the narration of Josephus, under the chapter
heading "Herod Agrippa persecuting the Apostles, immediately
experienced divine Judgment." he first relates the "martyrdom of
James" by Herod, and the imprisonment of Peter, as recorded in
Acts, and proceeds: "The consequences, however, of the king's
attempts against the apostles, were not long deferred, but the
avenging minister of divine justice soon overtook him. ... As it is
also recorded in the book of Acts, he proceeded to Caesarea, and
there on a noted festival, being clad in a splendid and royal
dress, he harangued the people. ... The whole people applauding him
for his harangue, as it were the voice of a god, and not of a man,
the Scriptures relate, 'that the angel of the Lord immediately
smote him and being consumed by worms, he gave up the ghost.' It is
wonderful to observe, likewise, in this singular event, the
coincidence of the history given by Josephus, with that of the
sacred Scriptures. In this he [Josephus] plainly adds his testimony
to the truth, in the nineteenth book of his Antiquities, where he
relates the miracles in the following words: [here quoting Josephus
in full, until he reaches the owl-story, when he thus falsifies]:
-- 'After a little While, raising himself, he saw an angel
[angelos] hanging over his head upon a rope,, and this he knew
immediately to be an omen of evil'! Thus far Josephus: in which
statement, as in others, I can but admire his agreement with the
divine Scriptures"! (Eusebius, HE. II, x.) An angel hanging on a
rope over one's head might well have been taken by a superstitious
person as ominous of something -- maybe of a hung angel. This pious
story, with the owl piously metamorphosed into an angel, was
apparently cribbed from Josephus also by the writer of Acts, or
maybe "interpolated" into it by the fanciful Bishop. There we find
this Pagan-Jewish anecdote retold by divine inspiration thus
embellished over Josephus and Eusebius: "And immediately the angel
of the Lord [Gr. angelos Kurioul smote him, because he gave not God
the glory: and he was eaten of worms and gave up the ghost"! (Acts
xii, 20-23.) Note the almost identical words, except for the
progressive embellishments: Josephus' owl thus became first an
angel of evil omen, then the avenging minister of the wrath of God,
aided by devouring worms to give true Christian zest and spite to
the simple Pagan superstition. Herod probably died from acute
indigestion caused by the excesses of the festivities, or from an
attack of peritonitis or appendicitis. Profane history of the event
does not chronicle the devouring, avenging worms of God.>>
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Art Neuendorffer
Neuendorffer
>
> > <<The ideological roots of the British Empire
> > and of the expansion of the English,
> > Welsh and Scottish nations all over the globe may
> > well be traced back
>
>
> NOT, originally, to the Puritans as is postulated here.
>
> It does indeed go back to Roma, when Gaius Caligula in 40 A.D. banished the
> misnamed Herod Antipas and Herodias (so-called in the unreliable histories of
> Flavius Josephus) to Lugdunensis - which includes present-day Brittany or
> Bretaigne in France; the Bretons often refer to it to this day as Armorica
> (which, I think, notwithstanding the specious attribution to someone known
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<<Sir Tristram, violer d'amores, fr'over the short sea, had passencore
rearrived from North Armorica on this side the scraggy isthmus of Europe
Minor to wielderfight his penisolate war>> - Finnegans Wake, Joyce
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The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire Part V.
http://read.cnread.net/cnread1/ewjd/g/gibbon/hor/162.htm
<<In Wales and ARMORICA(Brittany), the Celtic tongue, the native idiom
of the West, was preserved and propagated; and the Bards, who had been
the companions of the Druids, were still protected, in the sixteenth
century, by the laws of Elizabeth.>>
<<Pilgrimage, and the holy wars, introduced into Europe the specious
miracles of Arabian magic. Fairies and giants, flying dragons, and
enchanted palaces, were blended with the more simple fictions of the
West; and the fate of Britain depended on the art, or the predictions,
of Merlin. Every nation embraced and adorned the popular romance of
Arthur, and the Knights of the Round Table: their names were celebrated
in Greece and Italy; and the voluminous tales of Sir Lancelot and Sir
Tristram were devoutly studied by the princes and nobles, who
disregarded the genuine heroes and historians of antiquity.>>
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The scraggy isthmus of Britain/Brittany
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Sir Tristram of Lyonesse/Cornwall/Brittany
http://www.bulfinch.org/tales/chiv13.html
http://www.employees.org/~pcorless/pendragon/tristram.txt
http://www.crosswinds.net/~obscurio/swinb4.html
<<Tristrem, Tristan, or Tristam. Son of Rouland Rise, Lord of Ermonie,
and Blanche Fleur, sister of Marke, King of Cornwall. Having lost both
his parents, he was brought up by his uncle. Tristram, being wounded in
a duel, was cured by Ysolde, daughter of the Queen of Ireland, and on
his return to Cornwall told his uncle of the beautiful princess. Marke
sent to solicit her hand in marriage, and was accepted. Ysolde married
the king, but was in love with the nephew, with whom she had guilty
connection. Tristram being banished from Cornwall, went to Brittany, and
married Ysolt of the White Hand, daughter of the Duke of Brittany.
Tristram then went on his adventures, and, being wounded, was informed
that he could be cured only by Ysolde. A messenger is dispatched to
Cornwall, and is ordered to hoist a white sail if Ysolde accompanies him
back. The vessel came in sight with a white sail displayed; but Ysolt of
the White Hand, out of jealousy, told her husband that the vessel had a
black sail flying, and Tristram instantly expired. Sir Tristram was one
of the knights of the Round Table. Gotfrit of Strasbourg, a German
minnesänger (minstrel) at the close of the twelfth century, composed a
romance in verse, entitled Tristan et Isolde. It was continued by Ulrich
of Turheim, by Henry of Freyberg, and others, to the extent of many
thousand verses.>>
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Third Census of Finnegans Wake - Adaline Glasheen
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~caveman/Joyce/FW/Glasheen/tristan.htm
TRISTAN, Tristram - (1) sorrow as opposed to, interchangeable with, or
reversed into joy (2) Sir Amory Tristram from Armorica (Brittany),
one of Ireland's Norman conquerors, founder of the St Lawrence
(qv) family of Howth (qv; see also Tristram Tree); when in FW II,iv,
Tristan takes Isolde (qv) he is also the stranger who takes Ireland,
a girl who has solid ivory where her brains should be; (3) Tristan
of Lyonnesse, nephew (qv) of Mark of Cornwall (q.v.), lover of
Isolde of Ireland, his "aunt" (q.v.); Tristan is also her husband,
in name only, of Isolde of the White Hands (q.v.).
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Art Neuendorffer
Neuendorffer
> > > and of the expansion of the English,
> > > Welsh and Scottish nations all over the globe may
> > > well be traced back
> >
> Libyad817 wrote:
> >
> > NOT, originally, to the Puritans as is postulated here.
> >
> > It does indeed go back to Roma, when Gaius Caligula in 40 A.D. banished the
> > misnamed Herod Antipas and Herodias (so-called in the unreliable histories of
> > Flavius Josephus) to Lugdunensis - which includes present-day Brittany or
> > Bretaigne in France; the Bretons often refer to it to this day as Armorica
> > (which, I think, notwithstanding the specious attribution to someone known
> > as Amerigo Vespucci, is the origin of the name AMERICA).> ---------------------------------------------------------
> <<Sir Tristram, violer d'amores, fr'over the short sea, had passencore
> rearrived from North Armorica on this side the scraggy isthmus of Europe
> Minor to wielderfight his penisolate war>> - Finnegans Wake, Joyce
> ---------------------------------------------------------
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http://www.elizreview.com/articles/lester.htm
<<One of the possible exceptions is his being named as one of the
King's Men in the will of Augustine Phillips dated May 4, 1605.
But since the will was probated on May 13, a remarkably short
time for that legal procedure (Shakespeare's took 2 months),
the date of the will was probably the date of his death.>>
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~ahnelson/shposit.html
<<On 4 May 1605 Augustine Phillips made death-bed bequests to his
"ffellowe William Shakespeare" and to six others whom he also named as
his fellows, including Robert Armin, Henry Condell, and Nicholas Tooley
- all members of the King's men. [Phillips's executors included
King's men: John Heminges, Richard Burbage, and William Slye.]>>
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May 4
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387 A.D. {9 days after her Easter "vision at Ostia"]
Death of Saint Monica, mother of Saint Augustine. Her feast used to
be celebrated on this day, the day before her son converted. Today it is
liturgically celebrated on August 27, the day before her son's feast
day. Monica, a patient woman, is the patron saint of wives and mothers
with troubled or wayward children.
1038 A.D. [Ascension (Thurs)day]
Death of Saint Gothard, also known as Godehard. Born in 962, he
became a Benedictine monk and then bishop of Bavaria. St. Gothard Pass
in the Swiss Alps derives its name from the chapel built there to honor
this saint who was canonized in 1131 by Pope Innocent II.
http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/archives/may2000/87may4,vol.11,no.87txt/
1471 A.D. [Saturday]
Death of Prince Edward of England when Queen Margaret, also of
England, is defeated at TEWKESBURY Edward IV in the War of Roses.
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King Richard the Third Act II scene 1
Edward IV The mighty Warwicke, and did fight for me?
Who told me in the field at TEWKESBURY,
When Oxford had me downe, he rescued me
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1483 A.D. [Sunday]
Edward's son Edward V would march into London and a new
regime would begin in the British Isles. Both sides were loyal
to the Church so Rome showed no favorites.
1493 A.D. [Saturday]
In honor of his great discovery, Christopher Columbus is granted an
official Spanish Coat of Arms by Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand. On
this same day Pope Alexander VI, a Spanish native, sets a line of
demarcation 100 leagues west of the Azores between Spanish and
Portuguese interests of exploration. Since it naturally favored Spain,
it would be altered at the Treaty of Tordesillas a year later.
1605 A.D. [Saturday (J) Wednesday (G)] <<The will of Augustine
Phillips states: "Item I geve and bequeathe to my ffellowe william
Shakespeare a Thirty shillings peece in gould" (Public Record Office,
Prob. 10/Box 232). (handwritten) (EKC II, 73; facs. SS, 204)>>
1832 A.D. [Friday] Mercury TRANSIT
1840 A.D. [Monday] Edward Oxford buys guns to shoot Queen Victoria.
1852 A.D. [Tuesday] Alice Liddell born.
1859 A.D. [Wednesday] Alice's adventure in Wonderland.
1862 A.D. [Sunday] Alice's adventure in Wonderland(Cheshire cat moon)?
1891 A.D. [Monday] Sherlock Holmes "dies" at Reichenbach Falls.
1939 A.D. [Thursday] Finnegans Wake first published.
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Art Neuendorffer
Neuendorffer
>
> >the nature of the ancient Roman religion.
> >
> > the books which he had had buried next to himself - the
> > reasons for the religious rites and ceremonies which he, as
> > a pious and virtuous lawgiver and High Priest, bequeathed to
> > tradition Romulus did not actually experience physical death
> > but was caught up in heaven during a thunderstorm and so
> > became a god. ( Nothing unprecedented in this of course.
> > Think of Enoch and Elijah in the Bible. They too were taken
> > up into heaven bodily while still alive. (Indeed, think of
> > the dogma of the Assumption, proclaimed by the Roman
> > Catholic Church as recently as 1951, which teaches that the
> > Blessed Virgin Mary was both in body and soul, during her
> > own earthly life asssumed into Heaven.)>>
>
> Now you are getting cose to the answer to your question(s):
>
> > counterpart of the Greek Dionysus, God of wine, frenetic
> > music and orgies. One epithet of Dionysus was Eleutheros, or
> > the Liberator, a Liberator presumably from conventional
> > social and moral restraints. The festivals of the
>
> marbles LIBER as the original God(dess), which is the origin of the country's
> present name; and of course Virgil in much of his work was fascinated with
> Libya and Africa - as was Christopher Marlowe.
Hal's pal's => highway men between Gravesend & Rochester May
20,1413(Julian)
Henry VIII marries Seymour the day after Boleyn executed May
20,1536(Julian)
ED's pal's => highway men between Gravesend & Rochester May
20,1573(Julian)
Ritual "murder of" Marlowe May
20,1593(Julian)
Saturn/Venus conjunction May
20,1593(Julian)
1001st. Ramadan w. Solar Eclipse (total over Libya) May
20,1593(Julian)
1002nd. Ramadan w. Solar Eclipse May
20,1594(Greg.)
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The Statue of LIBERty has 354 steps. (354 days in lunar calendar)
[St.Paul's is 366 feet high]
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The Lunar Calendar of Shakespeare's King Lear
http://www.shu.ac.uk/emls/05-2/sohmlear.htm
Steve Sohmer DrSo...@aol.com
<<1.William Shakespeare's King Lear contains a number of curious
temporal allusions. Gloucester declares Edgar "some yeare elder" to his
half-brother (1.1.19-20), while Edmund reckons himself "twelve or 14.
mooneshines" junior; Lear's banishment of Kent matures to a
death-sentence on the fifteenth day in Quarto 1 (1.1.176-81) but on the
sixteenth day in the Folio (187-92); Lear, who imposes himself on his
daughters "by monthly course" (1.1.134), sounds evocatively
self-referential as he speaks of "great ones That ebbe and flow bith'
Moone" (5.2.17-18). [1] In this essay, I suggest that the common
denominator of the temporal allusions in Lear is a lunar calendar. I
identify this calendar as a primitive pre-Roman (Etruscan) model and
establish Shakespeare's ancient source for its form. Finally, I claim
that textual evidence in the Q1 Lear suggests that the play was
purpose-written (or substantially revised) for performance before King
James I on 26 December 1606.
2.Scholars accept that Shakespeare was familiar with Holinshed's account
of King Leir, who flourished in the
ninth century BC, three generations prior to the founding of Rome in
752-750 BC. [2] Logically, Leir's early date would seem to preclude
Shakespeare from applying to Lear the calendars of Pope Gregory XIII
(1582), Julius Caesar (45 BC), the Roman Republic (153 BC), or even Numa
Pompilius (c. 720 BC). Various calendars were operative during the
historical Leir's era, among them the 355-day Babylonian and Hebrew
lunar formulations and the solar 365-day Egyptian. But the invocation of
Roman deities in Lear entails that Shakespeare imagined his ancient king
and kingdom following some form of primitive Roman festal calendar.
Plutarch, Shakespeare's favorite Roman source, provides a concise
epitome of the form of the primitive calendar of Rome and its evolution
from Etruscan antecedents. Plutarch writes that Romulus' successor, Numa
Pompilius begane also to mende a litle the calendar, not so exactly as
he should have done, nor yet altogether ignorantly. For during the
raigne of Romulus, they used the moneths confusedly, without any order
or reason, making some of them twenty dayes & lesse, and others five &
thirtie dayes & more, without knowing the difference betwene the course
of the sunne & the moone: & only they observed this rule, that there was
three hundred & three score [360] dayes in the yere. But Numa
considering the inequality stoode upon eleven dayes, for that the 12
revolutions of the moone are ronne in 300 fiftie & four [354] dayes, &
the revolution of the sunne, in 365 dayes, he doubled the 11 dayes,
whereof he made a moneth: which he placed from 2 yeres to 2 yeres
[supintercalated every second year], after the moneth of February, & the
Romaines called this moneth put betwene, Mercidinum [Mercedonius], which
had 22 dayes.>>
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Art Neuendorffer
Neuendorffer
>
> >the nature of the ancient Roman religion.
> >
> > the books which he had had buried next to himself - the
> > reasons for the religious rites and ceremonies which he, as
> > a pious and virtuous lawgiver and High Priest, bequeathed to
> > tradition Romulus did not actually experience physical death
> > but was caught up in heaven during a thunderstorm and so
> > became a god. ( Nothing unprecedented in this of course.
> > Think of Enoch and Elijah in the Bible. They too were taken
> > up into heaven bodily while still alive. (Indeed, think of
> > the dogma of the Assumption, proclaimed by the Roman
> > Catholic Church as recently as 1951, which teaches that the
> > Blessed Virgin Mary was both in body and soul, during her
> > own earthly life asssumed into Heaven.)>>
>
> Now you are getting cose to the answer to your question(s):
>
> > counterpart of the Greek Dionysus, God of wine, frenetic
> > music and orgies. One epithet of Dionysus was Eleutheros, or
> > the Liberator, a Liberator presumably from conventional
> > social and moral restraints. The festivals of the
>
> marbles LIBER as the original God(dess), which is the origin of the country's
> present name; and of course Virgil in much of his work was fascinated with
> Libya and Africa - as was Christopher Marlowe.
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Hal's pal's => highway men between Gravesend & Rochester May
Henry VIII marries Seymour the day after Boleyn executed May
ED's pal's => highway men between Gravesend & Rochester May
Ritual "murder of" Marlowe May
Saturn/Venus conjunction May
20,1593(Jul.)
1001st. Ramadan w. Solar Eclipse (total over Libya) May
1002nd. Ramadan w. Solar Eclipse May
Neuendorffer
> >From: Neuendorffer
>
> >the nature of the ancient Roman religion.
> >
> > the books which he had had buried next to himself - the
> > reasons for the religious rites and ceremonies which he, as
> > a pious and virtuous lawgiver and High Priest, bequeathed to
> > tradition Romulus did not actually experience physical death
> > but was caught up in heaven during a thunderstorm and so
> > became a god. ( Nothing unprecedented in this of course.
> > Think of Enoch and Elijah in the Bible. They too were taken
> > up into heaven bodily while still alive. (Indeed, think of
> > the dogma of the Assumption, proclaimed by the Roman
> > Catholic Church as recently as 1951, which teaches that the
> > Blessed Virgin Mary was both in body and soul, during her
> > own earthly life asssumed into Heaven.)>>
>
> Now you are getting cose to the answer to your question(s):
>
> > counterpart of the Greek Dionysus, God of wine, frenetic
> > music and orgies. One epithet of Dionysus was Eleutheros, or
> > the Liberator, a Liberator presumably from conventional
> > social and moral restraints. The festivals of the
>
> marbles LIBER as the original God(dess), which is the origin of the country's
> present name; and of course Virgil in much of his work was fascinated with
> Libya and Africa - as was Christopher Marlowe.
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Henry VIII marries Seymour the day after Boleyn executed May 20,1536(J.)
ED's pal's => highway men between Gravesend & Rochester May 20,1573(J.)
Ritual "murder of" Marlowe May 20,1593(J.)
Saturn/Venus conjunction May 20,1593(J.)
1001st. Ramadan w. Solar Eclipse (total over Libya) May 20,1593(J.)
1002nd. Ramadan w. Solar Eclipse May 20,1594(G.)
Neuendorffer
> > Now you are getting cose to the answer to your question(s):
> >
> > > <<The God Liber ( female counterpart Libera) is the
> > > counterpart of the Greek Dionysus, God of wine, frenetic
> > > music and orgies. One epithet of Dionysus was Eleutheros, or
> > > the Liberator, a Liberator presumably from conventional
> > > social and moral restraints. The festivals of the>>
> >
> > Beneath the Temple of Apollo at Cyrene, Libya I found carved in the older
> > marbles LIBER as the original God(dess), which is the origin of the country's
> > present name; and of course Virgil in much of his work was fascinated with
> > Libya and Africa - as was Christopher Marlowe.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> [St.Paul's is 366 feet high]
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
<<The way to the Secret lay through the mystery, hitherto impenetrable
to all of us, of the woman in white. . .she is always, morning, noon,
and night, indoors and out, fair weather or foul, as cold as a statue,
and as impenetrable as the stone out of which it is cut.>>
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Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde - Robert Louis Stevenson
<<Men have before hired bravos to transact their crimes, while
their own person and reputation sat under shelter. I was the
first that ever did so for his pleasures. I was the first
that could thus plod in the public eye with a load of genial
respectability, and in a moment, like a schoolboy, strip off
these lendings and spring headlong into the sea of liberty.
But for me, in my impenetrable mantle, the safety was complete.
Think of it -- I did not even exist!>>
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The Statue of Liberty - A Masonic Goddess from Top to Bottom
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/mason7.htm
One of the many proofs of Freemasonry's cult of liberty, and furthermore
of its deep influence upon our culture and mentality, is the Statue of
Liberty. This colossus in New York's harbor was conceived by Freemasons,
financed by Freemasons, built by Freemasons, and installed by Freemasons
in a Freemasonic ceremony. The poem about "the huddled masses" inscribed
on its base was written by American Jewess, Emma Lazarus.
The maker of the statue was Freemason Frederic-Auguste Bartholdi. He had
already made a statue of the Freemason Marquis de Lafayette for the city
of New York, for the occasion of the centenary of the signing of the
Declaration of Independence.
Bartholdi sailed to America, at the suggestion of other Freemasons and
kindred spirits in France, for the purpose of proposing the project.
Although he had no drawings as he set sail, his masonic biographer says
that, as he entered New York harbor, "he caught a vision of a
magnificent goddess (Nimrod's Semiramis - Isis or Astarte), holding
aloft a torch (of Illuminism) in one hand and welcoming all visitors to
the land of freedom and opportunity" (signifying Brotherhood control of
the American people by the "liberties" perpetrated against them).
Returning to France, he managed to raise, through the help of a great
deal of masonic propaganda, the sum of 3,500,000 French francs, a very
large sum for the period of the 1870's. For the face of his "Goddess of
Liberty" he chose his own mother. The structural framework was provided
by Freemason Gustave Eiffel, later to be famous for the 984-feet
(300-meter) high Eiffel Tower.
Although financial support for the statue was forthcoming in France,
America was not willing to put up the money for the pedestal. It was
Joseph Pulitzer, the owner and editor of the New York World, who managed
to raise over $I00,000 for the project.
On Washington's Birthday in 1877, Congress accepted the statue as a gift
from the French people. Bedloe's Island, now Liberty Island, was chosen
by General Sherman, the well-known Atlanta-burner. Meanwhile in Paris
the work gradually progressed. Levi P. Morton, the then Ambassador to
France, drove the first rivet. The statue was finished on May 21, 1884,
and presented to Ambassador Levi Morton on July 4th of the same year by
Ferdinand de Lesseps, builder of the Suez canal.
On the American side, the chairman of the American committee to receive
the statue contacted the Grand Lodge of the Free and Accepted Masons of
the State of New York. It had been a tradition in America to have the
cornerstone of major public and private buildings and monuments
"consecrated" with full Masonic rites, ever since Freemason George
Washington, in 1793, had personally laid the cornerstone of the Capitol,
with the assistance of the Grand Lodge of Maryland.
The cornerstone of the Washington Monument, inscribed "Joseph Pulitzer,
Russian immigrant and Jew." was also laid in a Masonic ceremony. The
ceremony was set for August 5, 1884. It poured rain.
The decorated vessel 'Bay Ridge' carried about a hundred Freemasons,
along with some civil officials, to Bedloe's Island. Freemason Richard
M. Hunt, the principal architect of the pedestal, handed the working
tools to the Masonic officers.
Then Freemason Edward M.,L. Ehlers, Grand Secretary and a member of the
Continental Lodge 287, read the list of items to be included in the
copper box within the cornerstone: a copy of the United States
Constitution; George Washington's Farewell Address; twenty bronze medals
of Presidents up through Chester A. Arthur [including Washington,
Monroe, Jackson, Polk, Buchanan, Johnson and Garfield, who were all
Freemasons]; copies of New York City newspapers; a portrait of
Bartholdi; a copy of 'Poem on Liberty' by E. R. Johnes; and a list on
parchment of the Grand Lodge officers.
The traditional Masonic ceremony was observed. The cornerstone being
found square, level and plumb, the Grand Master applied the mortar and
had the stone lowered into place. He then struck the stone three times,
and declared it duly laid. Then the elements of "consecration" were
presented, corn, wine, and oil.
The "Most Worshipful" Grand Master then spoke a few words. He posed the
question: "Why call upon the Masonic Fraternity to lay the cornerstone
of such a structure as is here to be erected?"
His answer was: "No institution has done more to promote liberty and to
free men from the trammels and chains of ignorance and tyranny than has
Freemasonry."
The principal address was given by the Deputy Grand Master: "Massive as
this statue is, its physical proportions sink into comparative obscurity
when contrasted with the nobility of its concept. Liberty Enlightening
the World! How lofty the thought! To be free, is the first, the noblest
aspiration of the human breast. And it is now a univally admitted truth
that only in proportion as men become possessed of liberty, do they
become civilized, enlightened and useful."
The statue arrived in dismantled pieces in June of 1885. The statue was
dedicated on October 28, 1886. President Grover Cleveland [Freemason]
presided over the ceremony and Freemason HENRY POTTER, Episcopal Bishop
of New York gave the invocation. Freemason Bartholdi pulled the tricolor
French flag off the statue's face. The main address was given by
Freemason Chauncey M. Depew, a United States Senator.
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Art Neuendorffer
Libyad817
from Libyad,
>> Africa originally. Tertullian in fact wrote in his Heresy treatise that
>Herod
>> was Christ! It is not clear from his phrasing whether he was condemning
>Herod
>> or simply reporting a well-known fact in the early days of African
>> Christianity.
>Herod Agrippa or Herod the Great?
Father and Son.
Josephus is hopelessly confused and confusing about the Herodian genealogy with
numerous Agrippas, Salomes,Alexanders, Aristobuluses, Philips, Berenices,
Mariamnes, Josephs. Surprisingly, Luke is more reliable and almost consistent
with Josephus. Christian scholars are always embarrassed about Luke's
chronology and usually shrug it off - the famous Census of Cyrenius occurred in
6-7 A.D. when Jesus Christ was born: Luke further states Jesus was about 30
when he began his ministry, bringing it up to about 36 or 37 A.D. not 33 A.D.
which is routinely stated in our strange calendar and quasi-christianity. They
still routinely use Herod's death and/or apotheosis, Anastasis, from Josephus
instead of their otherwise usually infallible Scripture, for their dating,
inexplicably putting it at about 4 B.C. to make the 33 A.D. somehow fit,
continuing the mathematical inconsistency and therefore fallible theology.
What indeed was the year 1, Art, by these calendars?
Continuing Luke's semi-parallels with Josephus we have "Jesus" {Di-On-Esus: the
Di-John-Jesus} either serving one year in his ministry or 3 years according to
John. These are the years Josephus gets confused, chroniciling 'Philip's' death
in 33, like the traditional 'Jesus' - BUT there is a 3 year gap with no King
until Agrippa I returns from Rome to serve maybe from 37 until 44 A.D. and his
odd death described in your other posts, from both Acts of the Apostles AND
Josephus, at which time Claudius Caesar takes over until the young teenage son
Iulius Marcus Agrippa II is old enough to take over. Now, if we return to Luke,
Herod (never named Antipas in the Gospels) and Herodias go to Rome to dispute
Agrippa's appointments, they irritate Gaius who is holding court in Lyons at
the time, and he banishes them to Lugdunum. At the same time their relative
King Juba II of Libya (related through Cleopatra Selene, Queen of Cyrene; via
Cleopatra VII; but that's another post for another time) wears a purple cloak
such as Agrippa is described wearing, which throws Gaius (a regular Pontius
Pilate if there ever was one) into a rage and he has Juba murdered - at least
according to the only source I know of, Suetonius.
So, the point is, who was 'Herod the Great' exactly, and Agrippa the Great?
They both fulfilled the prophecies of the Messiah uniting Israel, rebuilding
Solomon-Zerubbabel's Temple, and they both met strange god-given ritual deaths
by owls and worms.
What does any of this have to do with shakespeare and/or Marlowe, and Brydain?
The Bard as you mentioned was sacred like the Derwydd-oak seers and
Christianity is a strong theme in all his work.
Oh, one more quick point! Last night I was perusing The Nation magazine and
there was a tiny ad in the back about a book stating that Josephus was the
author of the Gospels! Can't says as I can agree, as the style ain't the same
at all, nor the clear Dionysian understanding.
Great discussion, best regards,
Dafyd
Neuendorffer
Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire - Gibbon
<<In times of confusion, every active genius
finds the place assigned him by nature: in a general
state of war, military merit is the road to glory and to
greatness. Of the nineteen tyrants Tetricus only was a senator;
Piso alone was a noble. The blood of Numa, through twenty-eight
successive generations, ran in the veins of Calphurnius Piso,
who, by female alliances, claimed a right of exhibiting, in
his house, the images of Crassus and of the great Pompey.>>
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Selected Essays - Montaigne
<<Seeing that
men by their insufficiency, cannot pay themselves well enough with
current money, let the counterfeit be super-added. 'Tis a way that has
been practiced by all the legislators; and there is no government that
has not some mixture either of ceremonial vanity or of false
opinion, that serves for a curb to keep the people in their duty. 'Tis
for this that most of them have their originals and beginnings
fabulous, and enriched with supernatural mysteries; 'tis this that has
given credit to bastard religions, and caused them to be
countenanced by men of understanding; and for this, that Numa and
Sertorius, to possess their men with a better opinion of them, fed
them with this foppery; one, that the nymph Egeria, the other that his
white hind, brought them all their counsels from the gods. And the
authority that Numa gave to his laws, under the title of the patronage
of this goddess, Zoroaster, legislator of the Bactrians and
Persians, gave to his under the name of the god Oromazis;
Trismegistus, legislator of the Egyptians, under that of Mercury;
Xamolxis, legislator of the Scythians, under that of Vesta; Charandas,
legislator of the Chalcidians, under that of Saturn; Minos, legislator
of the Candiots, under that of Jupiter: Lycurgus, legislator of the
Lacedaemonians under that of Apollo; and Draco and Solon,
legislators of the Athenians, under that of Minerva.>>
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Leviathon by Thomas Hobbes
<<And therefore the first founders and legislators of Commonwealths
amongst the Gentiles, whose ends were only to keep the people in
and peace, have in all places taken care: first, to
imprint their minds a belief that those precepts which they gave
concerning religion might not be thought to proceed from their own
device, but from the dictates of some god or other spirit; or else
that they themselves were of a higher nature than mere mortals, that
their laws might the more easily be received; so Numa Pompilius
pretended to receive the ceremonies he instituted amongst the Romans
from the nymph Egeria and the first king and founder of the kingdom of
Peru pretended himself and his wife to be the children of the sun; and
Mahomet, to set up his new religion, pretended to have conferences
with the Holy Ghost in form of a dove.>>
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Art Neuendorffer
Libyad817
Wrote a long reply yesterday but see today it's not here. Arrgh. Wanted to make
sure you knew I wasn't ignoring you or being rude.
I'll re-reply a little later.
Best regards,
dafyd
roger_...@my-deja.com
interested in the following comment:
In article <20000919122614...@ng-cl1.aol.com>,
liby...@aol.com (Libyad817) wrote:
> The answers are in Africa, Art. Augustine, like Tertullian, was from
> North Africa originally. Tertullian in fact wrote in his Heresy
> treatise that Herod was Christ! It is not clear from his phrasing
> whether he was condemning Herod or simply reporting a well-known fact
> in the early days of African Christianity.
I'd appreciate a proper reference for this very odd statement. A quick
check of the ANF version of De praescriptione haereticorum gave no
mentions of the word 'Herod'.
I suppose people know that book II of Tertullian's Ad Nationes is
largely derived from Varro?
Best wishes,
Roger Pearse
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Libyad817
>Herod Agrippa or Herod the Great?
Father and Son.
Josephus is hopelessly confusing and confused when it comes to the Herodian
genealogy, with numerous overlapping and contradictory Agrippas, Aristobuluses,
Alexanders, Salomes, Mariamnes, and Josephs. [and the way so-called 'scholars'
simply repeat the mistakes over the millenia reminds me of the way
'shakespeareans' repeat mistakes by rote as if they are therefore true] But
the similarities between Josephus and Acts of the Apostles are interesting, in
that their deaths were both by strange augurs of owls and worms, similar to
Dionysian Mysteries of the Death-Defiance rituals, and both fulfilled the
prophecies as Meshiyah by re-uniting Israel and Judah, rebuilding
Solomon-Zerubbabel's Temple, and many other rebuilding and ceremonial efforts,
and both were called The Great.
Just one bizarre example of this continuing lack of analysis of
historical-religious contradictions is the way Jews pray at Herod's Western
Wall in Jerusalem as the holiest place in the world for them, while at the same
time always hatefully denouncing Herod as some kind of [Dionysian?] daimon. . .
.Maybe it's because he was Arab?
>Lampe in Peake's Commentary asserts
>that the two stories are widely different in detail showing that Luke
>had not read Josephus.
Another bizarre footnote - I saw an ad in The Nation magazine about a book
claiming that Josephus wrote the Gospels, and made up Jesus! The style of the 2
works is not even close, nor does Josephus show the same Dionysian
understanding as the Euaggelios.
>In Greek a messenger is an
>angel. Luke says Agrippa was struck by an angel of the Lord.
As Marcus {Agrippa?} the Evangelist, EuAGGELios (Angel-Messenger-Evangelist) is
thought by even orthodox Biblical scholars to be not only the young naked man
running away in the Garden of Gethsamane after Jesus is arrested, but also the
Young Man [Angel] sitting in the empty tomb when the priestesses arrive to do
their resurrection anointments.
Dafyd
Libyad817
>> in the King James Version in English {"And Jesus having uttered a cry loud
>> expired. 38. And the veil of the temple was rent into two, from top to
>> bottom."}
>> Exepneusen and its variations is more like HIS BREATH WAS A GREAT WIND -
>and
>> that is what rent the veil of the Temple in two; and therefore much like
>> Romulus and Elijah he was, as you say, 'caught up' during the thunderstorm
>and
>> did not die in the usual sense.
>THE EGYPTIAN BOOK OF THE DEAD
><<I am the goddess Sekhmet, and I take my seat upon the place by the
>side of Amt-ur the great wind of heaven.
>Come then, strengthen my breath, O Lord of the winds, who dost magnify
>these divine beings who are like unto thyself.
>
> Let me breathe the air which cometh forth from thy nostrils, and the
>north wind which cometh forth from thy mother Nut.
>
>Thou swallowest the winds, thou drawest into thyself the north wind,
>thou eatest up the flesh of thy seat on the day when thou breathest
>truth.
>
>I know the Light-god, his winds are in my body.
Great stuff, Art.
As E.A. Wallis Budge said in his preface to TBOTD from the British Museum in
1895, " ... the religious views of the wonderful people who more than five
thousand years ago proclaimed the resurrection of a spiritual body."
Dafyd
Libyad817
>20,1593(Julian)
> Saturn/Venus conjunction
Ritual indeed. I think the star student of The School of Night and author of
classical studies and rewrites like Hero & Leander and Dido, Queen of Carthage
knew well the Dionysian rituals defying death.
Wasn't May 20, 1593 the real date he was last seen as such, after being
summoned to the Star Chamber and released mysteriously on bail?
>May
>20,1593(Julian)
> 1001st. Ramadan w. Solar Eclipse (total over Libya) May
>20,1593(Julian)
Dafyd
Libyad817
>establish Shakespeare's ancient source for its form. Finally, I claim
>that textual evidence in the Q1 Lear
Since today is MABON, Autumn Equinox, I thought it pertinent to refer to 'The
Mabinogion' and its ancient sources for 'Lear'.
PEDEIR KEINC Y MABINOGI
LLYFR GWYN RHYDDERCH
Llyr = Lir in Irish = Sea
'Triad 52' names Llyr as the prisoner of Erosswydd (the mother of the twin
boys, Nissyen and Evnissyen - to return to the comparison to Romulus and Remus,
and this NUMA thread)
Branwen, "one of the three great queens of the island (Brydain)", is the
daughter of Llyr.
Anwyl Mabon,
Dafyd
Libyad817
> and night, indoors and out, fair weather or foul, as cold as a statue,
> and as impenetrable as the stone out of which it is cut.>>
>------------------------------------------------
All saints revile her, and all sober men
Ruled by the God Apollo's golden mean -
In scorn of which I sailed to find her
In distant regions likeliest to hold her
Whom I desired above all things to know,
Sister of the mirage and echo.
- Robert Graves
THE WHITE GODDESS
> The Statue of Liberty - A Masonic Goddess from Top to Bottom
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Dafyd
Nigel Davies
> >a primitive pre-Roman (Etruscan) model and
> >establish Shakespeare's ancient source for its form. Finally, I claim
> >that textual evidence in the Q1 Lear
>
> Mabinogion' and its ancient sources for 'Lear'.
>
> PEDEIR KEINC Y MABINOGI
> LLYFR GWYN RHYDDERCH
>
> Llyr = Lir in Irish = Sea
> 'Triad 52' names Llyr as the prisoner of Erosswydd (the mother of the twin
> boys, Nissyen and Evnissyen - to return to the comparison to Romulus and Remus,
> and this NUMA thread)
>
> Branwen, "one of the three great queens of the island (Brydain)", is the
> daughter of Llyr.
>
> Anwyl Mabon,
> Dafyd
Welshman = "mountain foreigner" - William Shakespeare.
______________________________________________________________________
Nigel....@BTInternet.com
Libyad817
> A quick
>check of the ANF version of De praescriptione haereticorum gave no
>mentions of the word 'Herod'.
Yes, I'm a great fan of your website, and I couldn't find the reference to
Herod either. But I believe I read the statement in the Catholic Encyclopedia,
in which a scholar referred to it. I haven't been able to find it either,
since, nor a complete written-out copy of Tertullian in our local libraries.
*sigh* I'll try to find the exact book and quote if I can, again.
thanks,
Dafyd
Libyad817
from Libyad
>> Llyr = Lir in Irish = Sea
>> 'Triad 52' names Llyr
>> Branwen, "one of the three great queens of the island (Brydain)", is the
>> daughter of Llyr.
>Welshman = "mountain foreigner" - William Shakespeare.
Anwyl,
Dafyd
Neuendorffer
>
> >a primitive pre-Roman (Etruscan) model and
> >establish Shakespeare's ancient source for its form. Finally, I claim
> >that textual evidence in the Q1 Lear
>
> 'The Mabinogion' and its ancient sources for 'Lear'.
>
> PEDEIR KEINC Y MABINOGI
> LLYFR GWYN RHYDDERCH
>
> boys, Nissyen and Evnissyen - to return to the comparison to Romulus and Remus,
> and this NUMA thread)
>
> is the daughter of Llyr.
BRANWE(n)LL(yr) BRONTE
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<<My favourite piece of information is that Branwell Bronte,
brother of Anne, Emily and Charlotte, died standing up leaning
against a mantelpiece, in order to prove it could be done.
This is not quite true, in fact. My absolute favourite piece of
information is the fact that young sloths are so inept that
they frequently grab their own arms and legs instead of tree
limbs, and fall out of trees. That reminds me of another
favourite piece of information: there is a large kink in the
trans-Siberian railway because when the Czar (I don't know
which Czar it was because I am not in my study at home
I'm leaning against something shamefully ugly in Michigan
and there are no books) decreed that the trans-Siberian
railway should be built, he drew a line on a map with a
ruler. The ruler had a nick in it.>> - Douglas Adams
http://www.lang.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~matsuoka/EG-Charlotte-12.html#XVI
<<I have heard, from one who attended Branwell in his last illness, that
he resolved on standing up to die. He had repeatedly said, that as long
as there was life there was strength of will to do what it chose ; and
when the last agony came on, he insisted on assuming the position just
mentioned. I have previously stated, that when his fatal attack came on,
his pockets were found filled with old letters from the woman to whom he
was attached. He died she lives still,--in May Fair. The Eumenides, I
suppose, went out of existence at the time when the wail was heard,
"Great Pan is dead." I think we could better have spared him than those
awful Sisters who sting dead conscience into life.>>
<<"My sister Emily first declined. . . . Never in all her life had she
lingered over any task that lay before her, and she did not linger now.
She sank rapidly. She made haste to leave us. . . . Day by day, when I,
saw with what a front she met suffering, I. looked on her with an
anguish of wonder and love: I have seen nothing like it; but, indeed, I
have never seen her parallel in anything. Stronger than a man) simpler
than a child, her nature stood alone. The awful point was that, while
full of ruth for others, on herself she had no pity; the spirit was
inexorable to the flesh; from the trembling hands, the unnerved limbs,
the fading eyes, the same service was exacted as they had rendered in
health. To stand by and witness this, and not dare to remonstrate,
was a pain no words can render."
In fact, Emily never went out of doors
after the Sunday succeeding Branwell's death.>>
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Art Neuendorffer