Bede and the Colosseum

[Robert Ramirez]

Bede is well known for saying of the Colosseum that, as long as it
stands, Rome will stand. I am looking for the source of this quotation,
and the original Latin. Can anyone help?

[Robert Stonehouse]

Robert Ramirez <bram...@mail.msy.bellsouth.net> wrote:

Not in the Ecclesiastical History. It sounds unlike him, because he
would have thought the Colosseum an abomination, as he did the
Pantheon (2.4). According to the article 'The Life of the Venerable
Bede' by C.E. Whiting in the commemorative volume 'Bede: his life,
times and writings' (Oxford, 1935) there were a lot of later legends
about Bede's having visited Rome and what he said and did there
(page 13).
ew...@bcs.org.uk

[Giovanni Gallino]

I didn't knew about Rome an Colyseum, but I know of some Herace verses:

Non omnis moriar, multaque pars mei
vitabit Libitinam usque ego postera
crescam laude recens, dum Capitolium
scandet cum tacita virgine pontifex.

--
G. Gallino
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> Robert Ramirez <bram...@mail.msy.bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >Bede is well known for saying of the Colosseum that, as long as it
> >stands, Rome will stand. I am looking for the source of this quotation,
> >and the original Latin. Can anyone help?

[ ... ]

[Kusanagi]

Pauper videri Gall(in)o vult; et est pauper.

[valca...@my-deja.com]

The Venerable Bede (who died in AD 735) first
mentions the monument in what may be a colorful
paraphrase of a speech in Tertullian, ad Scapulam
(in fragments of Bede collected by du Cange,
Glossarium Mediae et Infimae Latinitatis, vol.ii
p407, Basel edition):

"Quandiu stabit Colyseus -- stabit et Roma; quando
cadet Colyseus -- cadet et Roma; quando cadet Roma
-- cadet et mundus."
("As long as the Colyseus shall stand, Rome too
shall stand; when the Colyseus falls, Rome too
shall fall; when Rome falls, the world shall fall
as well.")

Gibbon on the other hand, pointing out that there
is no record of Bede's ever having left England,
believes that he may in fact be quoting a saying
already common in his time among pilgrims to Rome.

Bill Thayer
LacusCurtius
http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/
ancient_rome/

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[Phillip David Weaver]

Sentimentum et quasi carmen antiquissimum suggerit colosseum tum staret cum
hoc dictum usurpabatur. The very ancient sentiment and as it were song
suggests that the colosseum was then standing when this dictum was used.
Phillip.

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[Phillip David Weaver]

Sentimentum et quasi carmen antiquissimum suggerit colosseum tum stare cum