Linux distro of choice?

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

I'm seeing a few issues with Hugin running on FreeBSD. While I don't
think it has anything to do with FreeBSD, it would be nice to compare
its behaviour with what happens under Linux. What distro should I
choose?

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[David W. Jones]

On July 13, 2019 4:20:10 PM HST, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <groo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I'm seeing a few issues with Hugin running on FreeBSD. While I don't
>think it has anything to do with FreeBSD, it would be nice to compare
>its behaviour with what happens under Linux. What distro should I
>choose?
>
>Greg

I use it on Debian (regularly) and Ubuntu (occasionally).

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[Terry Duell]

Hello Greg,

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 12:20:10 +1000, Greg 'groggy' Lehey
<groo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm seeing a few issues with Hugin running on FreeBSD. While I don't
> think it has anything to do with FreeBSD, it would be nice to compare
> its behaviour with what happens under Linux. What distro should I
> choose?

I've been a Fedora user for almost as long as I remember, and regularly
test build hugin, enblend and darktable.
All work with minimal problems.
One of the nice things about Fedora (these days) is the very nice upgrade
process they have for the new release every 6 or so months...a great
improvement over the old days. Other distros may be be as good in this
respect, but I only have experience with Fedora.

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Terry Duell

[David W. Jones]

Ubuntu has a very effective upgrade process, too, but I think it only applies from LTS version to next LTS.

Debian - I run Debian Testing, so it's sort of like a rolling distro to me. I think Debian Stable changes are possible now: a recent Debian apt update displayed a message asking for permission to change distro pointers to the new Testing. That *could* mean that a similar pointer change with a clean/update/dist-upgrade might migrate an installed Debian Stable to the new Stable.

In both cases, I'd make a partition image or an fsarchiver copy before trying it.

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Saturday, 13 July 2019 at 20:34:05 -1000, David W. Jones wrote:
> On July 13, 2019 5:51:33 PM HST, Terry Duell <tdu...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> Hello Greg,
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 12:20:10 +1000, Greg 'groggy' Lehey
>> <groo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm seeing a few issues with Hugin running on FreeBSD. While I don't
>>> think it has anything to do with FreeBSD, it would be nice to compare
>>> its behaviour with what happens under Linux. What distro should I
>>> choose?
>>
>> I've been a Fedora user for almost as long as I remember, and regularly
>>
>> test build hugin, enblend and darktable. All work with minimal problems.
>> One of the nice things about Fedora (these days) is the very nice
>> upgrade process they have for the new release every 6 or so months...
>> a great improvement over the old days. Other distros may be be as good
>> in this respect, but I only have experience with Fedora.

I've tried all three of these distros. I decided against Fedora, but
that was well over 10 years ago, so it's not relevant to modern
releases. I think that if I were to start using Linux again, I'd go
for Debian, but for casual use Ubuntu is close enough.

> Ubuntu has a very effective upgrade process, too, but I think it
> only applies from LTS version to next LTS.

Not really the issue here: I just want to see if the problems I see
also occur under Linux. I'd be happy to reinstall every time.

> Debian - I run Debian Testing, so it's sort of like a rolling distro
> to me. I think Debian Stable changes are possible now: a recent
> Debian apt update displayed a message asking for permission to change
> distro pointers to the new Testing. That *could* mean that a similar
> pointer change with a clean/update/dist-upgrade might migrate an
> installed Debian Stable to the new Stable.
>
> In both cases, I'd make a partition image or an fsarchiver copy
> before trying it.

Not a snapshot?

[David W. Jones]

On 7/13/19 8:38 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> On Saturday, 13 July 2019 at 20:34:05 -1000, David W. Jones wrote:
>> On July 13, 2019 5:51:33 PM HST, Terry Duell <tdu...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>> Hello Greg,
>>>
>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 12:20:10 +1000, Greg 'groggy' Lehey
>>> <groo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm seeing a few issues with Hugin running on FreeBSD. While I don't
>>>> think it has anything to do with FreeBSD, it would be nice to compare
>>>> its behaviour with what happens under Linux. What distro should I
>>>> choose?
>>>
>>> I've been a Fedora user for almost as long as I remember, and regularly
>>>
>>> test build hugin, enblend and darktable. All work with minimal problems.
>>> One of the nice things about Fedora (these days) is the very nice
>>> upgrade process they have for the new release every 6 or so months...
>>> a great improvement over the old days. Other distros may be be as good
>>> in this respect, but I only have experience with Fedora.
>
> I've tried all three of these distros. I decided against Fedora, but
> that was well over 10 years ago, so it's not relevant to modern
> releases. I think that if I were to start using Linux again, I'd go
> for Debian, but for casual use Ubuntu is close enough.

Ubuntu's easiest to install, I think.

>> Ubuntu has a very effective upgrade process, too, but I think it
>> only applies from LTS version to next LTS.
>
> Not really the issue here: I just want to see if the problems I see
> also occur under Linux. I'd be happy to reinstall every time.

Try under VirtualBox, maybe?

>> Debian - I run Debian Testing, so it's sort of like a rolling distro
>> to me. I think Debian Stable changes are possible now: a recent
>> Debian apt update displayed a message asking for permission to change
>> distro pointers to the new Testing. That *could* mean that a similar
>> pointer change with a clean/update/dist-upgrade might migrate an
>> installed Debian Stable to the new Stable.
>>
>> In both cases, I'd make a partition image or an fsarchiver copy
>> before trying it.
>
> Not a snapshot?

Not knowing what you mean by a snapshot... partition images.

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Monday, 15 July 2019 at 20:39:54 -1000, David W. Jones wrote:
> On 7/13/19 8:38 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>> I've tried all three of these distros. I decided against Fedora, but
>> that was well over 10 years ago, so it's not relevant to modern
>> releases. I think that if I were to start using Linux again, I'd go
>> for Debian, but for casual use Ubuntu is close enough.
>
> Ubuntu's easiest to install, I think.

Yes, that was my consideration.

>>> Ubuntu has a very effective upgrade process, too, but I think it
>>> only applies from LTS version to next LTS.
>>
>> Not really the issue here: I just want to see if the problems I see
>> also occur under Linux. I'd be happy to reinstall every time.
>
> Try under VirtualBox, maybe?

Hugin doesn't really run well under VirtualBox. I've tried it, but
it's a pain, and since I have the hardware lying around, there's no
reason not to use it.

>>> In both cases, I'd make a partition image or an fsarchiver copy
>>> before trying it.
>>
>> Not a snapshot?
>
> Not knowing what you mean by a snapshot... partition images.

VirtualBox offers snapshots: you can effectively freeze the contents
of the disk and return to older versions if you want. But I was
thinking of file system snapshots, available on UFS and ZFS. They do
pretty much the same thing. I don't know which Linux file systems
support them.

[David W. Jones]

On July 15, 2019 8:44:54 PM HST, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <groo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, 15 July 2019 at 20:39:54 -1000, David W. Jones wrote:
>> On 7/13/19 8:38 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>>> I've tried all three of these distros. I decided against Fedora,
>but
>>> that was well over 10 years ago, so it's not relevant to modern
>>> releases. I think that if I were to start using Linux again, I'd go
>>> for Debian, but for casual use Ubuntu is close enough.
>>
>> Ubuntu's easiest to install, I think.
>
>Yes, that was my consideration.

>>>> Ubuntu has a very effective upgrade process, too, but I think it
>>>> only applies from LTS version to next LTS.
>>>
>>> Not really the issue here: I just want to see if the problems I see
>>> also occur under Linux. I'd be happy to reinstall every time.
>>
>> Try under VirtualBox, maybe?
>
>Hugin doesn't really run well under VirtualBox. I've tried it, but
>it's a pain, and since I have the hardware lying around, there's no
>reason not to use it.

Haven't tried it.

>>>> In both cases, I'd make a partition image or an fsarchiver copy
>>>> before trying it.
>>>
>>> Not a snapshot?
>>
>> Not knowing what you mean by a snapshot... partition images.
>
>VirtualBox offers snapshots: you can effectively freeze the contents
>of the disk and return to older versions if you want.

Ah, I didn't think of those as snapshots.

> But I was
>thinking of file system snapshots, available on UFS and ZFS. They do
>pretty much the same thing. I don't know which Linux file systems
>support them.

Ah. I don't either. A quick duckduckgo search found BTRFS supports snapshots. Apparently you can also create snapshots if you use what one site called the "Linux native" file system lvm.

I prefer my file system snapshots to be of static file systems. Boot from a flash drive, use fsarchiver to archive the system partition.

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[Harry van der Wolf]

Op di 16 jul. 2019 om 10:59 schreef David W. Jones <gnome...@gmail.com>:

> But I was
>thinking of file system snapshots, available on UFS and ZFS.  They do
>pretty much the same thing.  I don't know which Linux file systems
>support them.

Ah. I don't either. A quick duckduckgo search found BTRFS supports snapshots. Apparently you can also create snapshots if you use what one site called the "Linux native" file system lvm.

All Linux distro's support UFS, ZFS and BTRFS. 

I had one 7x24 Debian RPi running using BTRFS, indeed to be able to make snapshots.

I did use ZFS on an Ubuntu system for another reason, but that worked straight-forward as well.

Simply add from apt/apt-get and then it is good to go. Standard /etc/fstab entry

Harry