Re: [HasiruUsiru] regarding HU

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Kathyayini Chamaraj

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Jun 10, 2008, 2:42:51 AM6/10/08
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It's not all that difficult to find buses to go to Vidhana Soudha, etc.  You have to factor in about ten to fifteen more minutes to your travel time to change buses.  One needs to know where it is best to change buses and keep moving.  Bus conductors and drivers will suggest the best options if you tell them where you want to go.  Deepa, you can find several buses to Vidhana Soudha from Town Hall and Law College (and also from Hudson Circle end of Kasturba Road, I think) Good places to change buses are Corporation, Mysore Bank Circle, Indian Express, etc.  You will find buses going in a myriad directions from here.  And you can often change buses here without going all the way to Market, K.G. Bus stand or Shivajinagar from where you will always find a bus to go wherever you want to go.  But definitely re-routing needs to be done by BMTC.  Now Upendra Tripathy has become Transport Secretary and a new chap is coming to BMTC.  May be worthwhile to meet the new chap who will be wanting to do a lot of new things.
 
Regards,
Kathyayini

 
On 6/10/08, venkatesh m <venka...@yahoo.com> wrote:

ah...well...sigh...our public transport is such a mess! The inefficiency of the bus system drove Bangaloreans to motorcycles and cars. If i have lot of things to do in a day, then travelling by bus is ruled out. And auto's look at passengers not as customers but as victims!

i guess the single biggest failure in this city is the sad bus system. Car pools can work but it will have to be a motivated group that will do it. So i say....add more people to HU!

cheers

venky





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Shamala Kittane

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Jun 10, 2008, 4:48:27 AM6/10/08
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Agree with Kathyayini, there are ways and means to make your travel easy - small booklets sold at Majestic are useful for those who do not understand the language and if you are at your PC, check this out http://www.bmtcinfo.com/jsp/, have no clue how bad this site is 'coz i havent used it too much but from the first look of it - it seems just fine and helpful.

Very few non-existent direct buses, which can always be replaced by short, quicker routes (probably a couple of buses). A little getting used to is all it takes to be comfortable with traveling by buses and not spending too much time.

If we are planning to put forth ideas to the new person incharge of BMTC, would asking for yet another 'experimental bus' which would include space for cycles (one of the very few good things that can be borrowed from the American transport system) ? OR Even guarded parking spaces for cycles close to large bus stops (instead of the stupid shopping malls, a part of the 'mismanaged' space atleast ) would be a welcome for cyclists (labor class, school kids, some sensible professionals) in the city.

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Kathyayini Chamaraj

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Jun 10, 2008, 11:36:36 AM6/10/08
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Thanks, Das, for making me lose the guilt feelings I always have whenever I go by Autos.  We should also push with theTransport Secretary, Mr. Tripathy, to allow larger, shared, poin-to-point, 8-seater autos. They could also introduce a caller system to an auto service to take us to the nearest bus-stand or wherever we want to go etc., like they are now doing for the BIAL buses. 
 
Regds,
Kathyayini


 
On 6/10/08, Dasarathi <d...@cadem.com> wrote:

Good news ! Autos and Taxis are public transport too.
When there's no (or an inconvenient) bus service to a place, just go ahead and use an Auto or taxi with a clear conscience.

Bangalore has about 1.5 Lakh autos (out of 31 lakh total vehicles).
-  An auto is constantly on the move, travels about 150 km. each day. Occupies parking space only when the driver is eating or resting. As against this a person in a car travels maybe 20 km. a day on an average, but uses the same amount of road space as an auto for parking the rest of the day.
An auto's mileage is 2-3 times more than that of a car (Maruti 800 13 km per litre, big car 8 kmpl). Runs 20-25 km. per liter of LPG (all autos in Bangalore run on LPG).
-  LPG is a cleaner fuel than petrol or diesel.
-  Per passenger kilometre, an auto emits way less pollutants and uses less energy than a car or bike
-  In addition, in terms of absolute total CO2 emitted, autos are a small fraction of the total - they form just 5 % of the vehicle population.

Autos are noisy and some of them emit a lot of smoke, but this can be rectified by proper enforcement of laws.
- The noise is because drivers tamper with the original factory-fitted silencer to get more mileage.
- The smoke is because they put excess oil to prolong engine life. Next time just notice how many autos have no visible exhaust gases at all - this is how it should be.

Autosare actually a very innovative transport solution for our country. It's seriously stupid not to allow them in the new airport.

Das






Deepa Mohan wrote:

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:45 AM, venkatesh m <venka...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> hi folks,
>
> i just wonder whether we all practice what we preach. I dont mean to sound
> holier than thou because it is great to see some of us concerned about
> greenery and clean air. But i cant help puttting down some observations:-
>
> 1. I find a lot of HU members themselves driving alone in cars. I think when
> we talk of traffic issues to others, we wont be able to cut much ice, if
> people notice just the opposite actions.
> 2. HU need not just be a forum for activism where people come and go to
> attend/talk on some issues and then not be seen again for a good length of
> time. I think we should look at building a community where a lifestyle in
> tune with whatever values we espouse is reflected. People would come because
> they sense some belonging.
>
> cheers
>
> venky

Venky....you have raised such a valid point. In fact, when we had gone
for a meeting with the BBMP in Vikasa Soudha (which, btw is NOT
well-connected by bus!), he made a snide remark, "how many of you have
come here by bus?" Well, HE might have come by the Govt. car, but the
point was well-taken. Kathyayini and I had taken my car as we could
go together, and the alternative was a very long walk from the
"nearest" bus stop.

But it's difficult. To come to the High Court to attend the PIL
hearing, Anush and I had to get down from a bus at N R Square
(Corporation) and then we HAD to take an auto as time was running out.
On the way back, we walked to the bus stop.

I have to change buses to get from one landmark to another...from
Jayadeva Flyover to Forum Mall on Hosur Road, I don't find a single
bus that will take me there. Last time, I walked back from Forum to
Dairy Circle and took the bus, and I must say, that was mainly because
the auto guys were charging so much! :)

I am writing an article on how our theatre/culture venues....Ranga
Shankara, H N Kalakshetra Chowdiah, Alliance...are so poorly connected
by public transport; even getting an auto after a play/concert is so
difficult that the incentive is to come by car...the alternative is
not to attend at all.

When I attend a meeting at the CIVIC office, I must budget nearly an
hour to get there by public transport, and sometimes even more to come
back, because that's the way it is after 7pm.

And other things...I can't always NOT use plastic bags....often I turn
a blind eye to people spitting, because the times when I do take it
up, I get into an argument (sometimes the men even threaten me) and
that spoils my mood for the rest of the day...so I do compromise a lot
on these things...

There is one more thing that I have to face, Nithin. I often try to
car-pool with others to a common destination, but if *I* ask for a
lift in someone else's car, I am accused of being cheap! And so,rather
than face this, I ask the others to share my car,when I would rather
not take it out at all. And if they refuse to come in it, I do end up
driving alone, feeling quite guilty...!

I do agree that we should build up a community of like-minded people,
rather than be just a group of people attending the same meetings!
But today's lifestyles, with jobs in Whitefield or Electronics City,
are increasingly making this more difficult.

But thank you for raising these issues Nithin. Awareness is the first
step towards improvement.

Cheers, Deepa.

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Kanishka Lahiri

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Jun 10, 2008, 11:54:08 AM6/10/08
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Using even the current autos on a shared basis on certain trunk routes is a great, and one would think, easy to implement  idea. This model works really well in Calcutta --- they provide connectivity on several important East - West routes which the metro does not cover. (However, in Cal 5 passengers climb into the auto that's meant for 3, but that's a different story).
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