Is Pokemon Platinum Getting A Remake
Leida
The thing is, though, Pokemon has only minimally integrated third version features when developing remakes. Take ORAS for example- the source material is primarily the original Ruby and Sapphire, and many changes that Emerald made are not featured in the remakes.
I'm not saying that not including Platinum content is the sole reason BDSP is bad, but I have to wonder if we're being a bit hard on BDSP for not including Platinum content, given the precedent that previous remakes have set. Unless Diamond and Pearl are a special case in this regard?
It does not make you a "bad fan" or whatever nonsense insult someone might throw at you for critiquing a product. Criticism is not childish, it is not harassment, nor is it any other buzzword frequently used to dismiss it.
Criticism is how things improve. Mindlessly consuming every lazy half-effort and convincing yourself it was actually acceptable is how you guarantee low standards will continue, if not sink even lower, now that they know they can get away with it and have people defend them for it.
Bdsp are fundamentally flawed because they completely fail (do not so much as attempt) at fulfilling the long established purpose of pokemon remakes: recreating the region in the current generation's engine, complete with all the latest QoL changes, new pokemon, and multiplayer connectivity.
I don't think that's the only reason. Diamond and Pearl, despite being loved, are some of the blandest Pokmon games, and are very slow and tiring. Platinum did its best to make it more interesting, with the distortion world and new characters, along with balancing some of the gameplay issues.
BDSP were rushed and added nothing, unless you count Ramanas Park and following Pokmon that somehow make the SwSh DLC version feel like the LGPE version. And Poffins don't require you to be Arceus or have friends to make them I guess (but also no secret base homes).
Even in terms of graphics, they had to add a bunch of effects and blurs to make it look decent, and the scaling does not work in 3D. I mean even HGSS made big Legendaries bigger than the average Pokmon!
They remade the games for a newer generation and added a bunch of amazing features to make up for the lack of new stories, and even remade the character designs to fit the game better! And I'm pretty sure that some DP characters needed redesigns. Also no Looker, making this the first generation to not have him since he first appeared. He was in generations 4-7 but not in a remake of his home region? So to my next point: 0 Platinum Content. They kept the awful regional dex, the distortion world appeared only as much as in DP: five seconds while you get a Griseous Orb, no Platinum details, none of the gameplay improvements like the gym order, and probably more.
And don't say ORAS was the same, the ENTIRE postgame was Emerald but ORAS version, with Zinnia and alternate dimension theories. HGSS put Eusine and (overworld encounter) Suicune into the game, and they were from Crystal. FRLG... well.. Did Yellow even add anything? I mean, the English versions of Red and Blue are based on the fourth (or was it third) version in Japan, so I don't think they could've added much but we got the Sevii islands and a ton of cool and random key items.
In conclusion: BDSP can be counted as a spinoff or fangame, and therefore none of what they did is real except the first few fun, clone-filled, glitchy days. I usually have respect for programmers and those who work on video games, but there's a limit. That was just DP: 3D (Switch Edition), not an actual new game.
Game Freak, I understand this makes more money but please take your time and don't make 4 games every three years. Please. BDSP didn't even make money, you could've just counted PLA as the remake and we would've been happy.
It all feels like they did it to show people who wanted a "faithful remake" what a faithful remake actually is, and shut up the "next remake when?!" people with the threat of Unova having a trash remake if they keep screaming for another rushed game. (Please don't make the region with one of the darkest plots chibi, PLEASE make it as mature as its story, PLEASE, POKMON)
As for your point that ORAS DID include Emerald content, I never tried to insinuate that it didn't, but when you take into account what Emerald and Platinum changed (the storyline in addition to giving Gym Leaders different teams), it would have involved a lot more changing of the base game to accommodate the third version content, and the remakes just did not do that.
As @TheJeffers said, just because they DIDN'T do that doesn't mean they shouldn't have. And Diamond and Pearl had such notorious flaws (such as so-called type specialists not having teams solely of their type due to the bad Pokedex) that should have been fixed but weren't. When I fought Candice and she brought out her Medicham, I remember thinking "Seriously? They didn't fix that?"
I guess I could add that if you look at it as a simple rerelease rather than a remake it's alright. It's worse than Platinum, but about as good as Diamond and Pearl. And basic rereleases serve an important role in game preservation. It's way easier to play Sinnoh games now than Unova games, thanks to BDSP.
@D-ManBlue Oh, I wasn't specifically talking about someone when I mentioned the ORAS and Emerald thing, I just have a very unique typing style. It was just for whoever was reading and thought that, I don't usually direct these things at one person.
And yeah, the dex was definitely a really bad part of the game. And sometimes the Pokmon used made no sense (Flint had a Lopunny iirc because they have similar hair. What?). and the E4 being randomly 10x more overpowered than the rest of the remake was also an issue (the entire league was EV+IV trained with competitive items).
People are always going to have nostalgia for those experiences. Which is fine, you are allowed to like things, however flawed, so long as you are prepared to examine them more critically too and recognise their faults, in spite of your fondness for them.
For my part, I came to DP after disliking RSE. I enjoyed DP but its problems were apparent to me even on my first playthrough. I was playing as a teenager though, after that "I'm too old for Pokmon" stage my peers and I experienced in our early teens, so while not an adult perspective at the time, I perused it with a more mature eye than some of the fans today did back then.
Platinum did a lot to address some of the issues and added much to a lacking narrative, but many of the issues remained and are perhaps inherent to the engine. (Those crawling health bars...) I like Platinum and hold it up as one of the better entries; a part of Pokmon's golden era on the DS, though obviously HGSS and gen 5 are much more robust.
So to return to the core point, part of BDSP's success, other than the Pokmon brand, is the nostalgia many still hold for the games. DP was great in their memory, Platinum was even better, so a modern version must be betterer.
We must not let Gamefreak, or any developer, bank on our nostalgia, as was clearly the entire business model with BDSP. I think the amazing game the DPP fans see is there under all the issues. BDSP simply were not the games prepared to do the work to make them truly shine. A shame and a missed opportunity. How long will it be before they take another stab at it? A decade or two?
@TheJeffers The official website used "nostalgic" so much that I genuinely became concerned that they thought it would be the ONLY reason people would buy the games. Moreover, they claimed that if you never stepped foot in Sinnoh or grew up with Diamond and Pearl, you would get something out this game. Meanwhile I was thinking- "What about people like me who played the games and didn't get much out of them?"
It's kind of shocking that they would forget what should be a large portion of the fanbase- those who played Diamond and Pearl out of love for the franchise, but don't have any particularly good memories of those games, and it didn't really mean much for them on a personal level.
Pokmon Renegade Platinum is an enhancement hack of Pokmon Platinum Version, similar to my other hacks such as Sacred Gold & Storm Silver and Blaze Black & Volt White. In a nutshell, this hack generally keeps the same story flow as the original Pokmon Platinum but adds in a significant number of gameplay differences, including but not limited to access to all 493 Pokmon in the game, revamped Trainers including tougher boss fights, lots of (optional) changes to weaker Pokmon to make them easier to use, the removal of trade only evolutions and a number of other quality of life changes. The specifics of what parts have been changed are explained in the paragraphs below.
Features
All Pokmon that were originally in Platinum, from Bulbasaur to Arceus, are available to obtain within the game. The wild Pokmon for every single area have been modified extensively, now including species not ordinarily found in the Sinnoh region. It's possible to catch or obtain the majority of Pokmon before facing the Elite Four for the first time, meaning you can construct almost any team you want. In the cases where a Pokmon being in the wild would not be thematically appropriate - for example, starter Pokmon or legendaries - new events have been added to the game to make obtaining these Pokmon feel as unique as they normally would.
The details for where to get each Pokmon can be found between the wild Pokmon and special events documents. Additionally, the correct locations for wild Pokmon are also shown in the Pokdex. (Big thanks to Mikelan98 for that feature!)
The Pokmon rosters of every Trainer in the game has been edited, now including Pokmon from the National Dex. Trainer levels have also been modified to fit the new level curve, which is now higher than before due to bigger Pokmon rosters and greater use of evolved Pokmon awarding larger amounts of EXP. Trainers can now expect their Pokmon to reach the 70s by the Elite Four, instead of the 50s that was the case in the original Platinum. Additionally, all Trainers use the AI that is normally only used by boss Trainers such as the Elite Four.
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