Amway Distributor
Elise Biggers
definitely not a 'salesperson' and I would like some (any and all, but
PLEASE be nice to me) of any negatives and/or positives that you have
heard said about Amway, or any questions that you have about it. This
will really help me in being better prepared to talk to people about
this.
Any comments, ideas, constructive criticisms, etc., would really be
appreciated.
Thanks everyone! And please, no flaming..... I'm merely doing this to
see how people feel about Amway and the types of questions and comments
I'll be hit up with and I would like to be prepared.
Happy Holidays, everyone!
E. Biggers
Bo Williams
> I have recently signed up to become an Amway distributor.
My deepest sympathies.
> I'm
> definitely not a 'salesperson' and I would like some (any and all, but
> PLEASE be nice to me) of any negatives and/or positives that you have
> heard said about Amway, or any questions that you have about it. This
> will really help me in being better prepared to talk to people about
> this.
Hmmm. I think that for one thing, you ought to make sure you have a
high tolerance for hostile person-to-person communication, because many
people are going to tune you out then second you say "Amway," and many
more will recognize the vague language associated with the initial Amway
pitch and tune you out then.
> Any comments, ideas, constructive criticisms, etc., would really be
> appreciated.
I strongly recommend that you run like hell and find another way of
making money. There's none to be made here anyway.
> Thanks everyone! And please, no flaming..... I'm merely doing this to
> see how people feel about Amway and the types of questions and comments
> I'll be hit up with and I would like to be prepared.
Amway is an excellent candidate for critical study of several persuasive
communication techniques, some about a hair's width from brainwashing.
I base that statement on both my own academic experiences and a handful
of meetings that an old girlfriend attended (critically) to find out
about a new "import/export business opportunity."
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~psommer/amway.html
http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m307/wilke001/PolandBan.html
Just off the top of my AltaVista.
For every page like this, you'll find ten that talk about what a
wonderful thing it is, "you work for him, and then you get three people
working for you and four people working for them and before you know it
you're a millionaire," etc. It doesn't work that way. This being a
world that (for the most part) rewards hard work, "before you know it
you're a millionaire" is just as nonsensical in this context as it is in
any other.
It's more Jonestown than Avon. Believe it. Get out.
--
Bo Williams - wrwi...@mindspring.com
LaHumanist
In article <36872977...@traveller.com>, Elise Biggers
<ebig...@traveller.com> writes:
>I have recently signed up to become an Amway distributor. I'm
>definitely not a 'salesperson' and I would like some (any and all, but
>PLEASE be nice to me) of any negatives and/or positives that you have
>heard said about Amway, or any questions that you have about it. This
>will really help me in being better prepared to talk to people about
>this.
>
>Any comments, ideas, constructive criticisms, etc., would really be
>appreciated.
I agree 110% with Bo. I have not met anyone who has succeeded (and kept there
morals intact). I went to a session, and was outraged at the claims. If you
investigate, you can buy most of their "discounted" items cheaper elsewhere.
A personal gripe is the political influence bought by the fanatical (IMO)
right-wing owners. To me, selling Amway is like selling tobacco to
four-year-olds. Only the people at top will win. (I am not implying that the
average distributor is morally corrupt, just the top guys.)
I hope you haven't invested too much money in this.
Louise A. Bennett
John R. Grant
>I have recently signed up to become an Amway distributor. I'm
>definitely not a 'salesperson' and I would like some (any and all, but
>PLEASE be nice to me) of any negatives and/or positives that you have
>heard said about Amway, or any questions that you have about it. This
>will really help me in being better prepared to talk to people about
>this.
>
>Any comments, ideas, constructive criticisms, etc., would really be
>appreciated.
>
trust are/have been involved with the organization. The products seem to be
of high quality and, despite what others have said here and on the Web, the
marketing practices of the organization seem to be honest. The
_implementation_ of those practices by some members may be less than
honorable, but that's another thread.
I decided the business wasn't for me because I didn't want to work 30+ hours
per week (in my "spare" time, of course) for $500/month, which seemed to be
about tops for a part time effort. If I was planning to take on a second
job, I think I'd go for one that paid a bit better!
xin...@hotmail.com
ebig...@traveller.com wrote:
> I have recently signed up to become an Amway distributor. I'm
> definitely not a 'salesperson' and I would like some (any and all, but
>
> E. Biggers
>
I suggest that you visit the following websites to get a better idea
about the nature of Amway.
The first one is Consumer Reports which tell you
that the Amway products are not necessarily the best, but nearly always
are the most expensive, often many times more than other similar products.
The second one is an article which helps one see through some of the
hidden aspects of the business.
http://www.skyenet.net/~jackie/cons.htm
http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html
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lahum...@aol.com (LaHumanist) wrote:
> ..............
> A personal gripe is the political influence bought by the fanatical (IMO)
> right-wing owners. To me, selling Amway is like selling tobacco to
> four-year-olds. Only the people at top will win. (I am not implying that the
> average distributor is morally corrupt, just the top guys.)
>
> I hope you haven't invested too much money in this.
>
> Louise A. Bennett
In fact, one cannot get to the top in Amway without an inhuman heart,
because, in order to get to the top, one has to mercilessly victimize
thousands to tens of thousands of innocent people by making them lose much
money and time, create family upheavals, feel disgruntled and miserable, and
eventually quit. You cannot escape the statistics that only one out of
hundreds to thousands of distributors can survive for a while.
My upline in New England lost a few hundred downlines in one year and
he himself became the only member of his group. Each of those who quit had
lost hundreds to thousands of dollars, and countless hours. One of them got
divorced.
A couple I know who went to China from California to do Amway lost
about 6000 thousand downlines in a matter of a few weeks, each having lost a
few thousand RMB at least, and the group was reduced to almost nothing.
Even if you have reached the high pin levels like emerald or diamond,
you must continue to produce victims as mentioned above at an awfully high
rate, because as soon as the number of distributors in your group comes to
standstill, your group starts to disintegrate.
Amway distributors claim that they do the business to help people get
rich. But in order to help one person to make any money, he or she must
victimize thousands of people or more. I don't understand why that one person
is more important than the thousands to be victimized.
Willy Albanes
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Hugh Messenger
> Amway distributors claim that they do the business to help people get
>rich. But in order to help one person to make any money, he or she must
>victimize thousands of people or more. I don't understand why that one
person
>is more important than the thousands to be victimized.
Sounds like you just describe capitalism.
:)
To add my Amway Store to the list. I once went to a meeting, run by a
cow-orker in England. Up till that time I'd found him pleasant enough to
work with. But after attending the meeting, seeing all the other little
Amway drones preaching The Gospel Of The Upline, and feeling like I'd just
been to a Reverand Moon brainwashing session, and (above all) doing some
basic math ... I never felt the same about him again. And his attitude to
me changed drastically, becoming almost hostile when I refused to sign up
for the scam. He quit the company a year later, to do Amway full time, made
a decent nut for about a year, then came back to work after his "cell"
collapsed.
Worse yet, the cleaning products I felt compelled to buy just to escape the
meeting turned out to be ineffective and more expensive than the standard
grocery store offerings, or even the environmentally sound alternatives I
was buying at the time from a local health food shop..
BTW ... has anyone seen the Brit TV mini-series (maybe six episodes?) called
_Upline_? It is very obviously based on Amway, with enough deifferences to
escape litigation, and is uproariously funny. I haven't seen it since it's
release in the mid 80's (?), and if anyone knows how to find it on video ...
>--MX
-- hugh
Van
Any business, traditional or MLM. requires effort to succeed. I tried a few, a bunch rather, of MLMs and no success at all until TPN. That gave me the purpose and the money was/is decent for what I do - a hundred or two each month usually.
Now since TPN was bought out by PPL for their TV "Success Channel" mainly, we have it made!! We still get paid for PrimeStar Installations (we don't install them, we merely call the customer order in) but, we also get 3 years Advanced Commissions for sales of Pre-Paid Legal Plans - something no one should be without, considering the low cost!
Now, I make some dough by my own efforts, the efforts of only a few below me and, most of all, referrals of satisfied customers. It's one heckuva "polish" of the original Amway idea - except that there is no garage full of Vitamins and soap! Our ONLY qualifier is a Membership or one sale every three months! NO RECRUITING REQUIRED to make money everyday. Pretty doggone fair, I think.
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xin...@hotmail.com wrote:
Amway distributors claim that they do the business to help people get
rich. But in order to help one person to make any money, he or she must
victimize thousands of people or more. I don't understand why that one person
is more important than the thousands to be victimized.
--MX
Ron Hammon
>
> To add my Amway Store to the list. I once went to a meeting, run by a
> cow-orker in England. Up till that time I'd found him pleasant enough to
> work with. But after attending the meeting, seeing all the other little
> Amway drones preaching The Gospel Of The Upline, and feeling like I'd just
> been to a Reverand Moon brainwashing session, and (above all) doing some
> basic math ... I never felt the same about him again. And his attitude to
> me changed drastically, becoming almost hostile when I refused to sign up
> for the scam. He quit the company a year later, to do Amway full time, made
> a decent nut for about a year, then came back to work after his "cell"
> collapsed.
I'm amazed that Joe Average is so gulible. I've also known victims of
Mary Kay, Excel, that discount retail card that was busted in Memphis
(can't remember the name), Amway's new mail-order retail stuff, the cash
pyramid letters of some years back, etc.
I attended a meeting in Madison at the invitation of a friend about the
discount cards and had to struggle to keep from laughing out loud. The
real kicker was the up-upline guy that spoke briefly. This guy was a
real cold-blooded snake underneath a big smile and a pile of BS. But,
of course, I seemed to be the only one that knew it. If I had no idea
what the scam (oops! marketing approach) was, or hadn't heard a single
line, I would've recoiled just from this back-stabber's "aura".
I spoke to a few people afterward and found that I was, indeed, the only
one that felt threatened by this ...guy. Most were genuinely moved. I
thought of Charles Manson and the general success of charisma over
facts. Since that night, I feel more pity than disappointment toward
the hapless "drones" that are netted by these predators.
I often remember Richard Pryor in the movie "Bustin' Loose" yelling
about the "TRAPEZOID". (It's not a pyramid scheme, you see, a trapezoid
has FOUR sides.)
Ron Hammon
>
> To add my Amway Store to the list. I once went to a meeting, run by a
> cow-orker in England. Up till that time I'd found him pleasant enough
How does one "ork" a cow?
Sorry Hugh, I couldn't resist.
T.J. Higgins
>I often remember Richard Pryor in the movie "Bustin' Loose" yelling
>about the "TRAPEZOID". (It's not a pyramid scheme, you see, a trapezoid
>has FOUR sides.)
A trapezoid is a two-dimensional object and does indeed have 4 sides,
whereas a pyramid is a 3-d object and has 5 sides (counting the
bottom).
--
TJH
call...@comports.com
Although I wouldn't go as far as saying that Amway's products are the
cheapest there are, because they are not, they are quite good value for money
considering the good quality of the products. I like the idea of being able
to profit from introducing others into a scheme whereby they too can profit
from everyday consumer products by referring others to a different supply
source and purchase products from home. After a two and a half year full-time
commitment into building an Amway business, being able to do this as I
already manage a team of successful telecoms representatives, I found that
Amway is an incredibly difficult business to build, and requires a lot of
deceiving and lying in order to sway people to join you on your path to
greatness and wealth beyong your wildest dreams. At least in long distance
telecommunications you don't have to deceive and lie yourself to the top
--ROGER-->
In article <QbaQ4tvM#GA....@newstoo.hiwaay.net>,
"Hugh Messenger" <hu...@cheesegrits.com> wrote:
>
> > Amway distributors claim that they do the business to help people get
> >rich. But in order to help one person to make any money, he or she must
> >victimize thousands of people or more. I don't understand why that one
> person
> >is more important than the thousands to be victimized.
>
> Sounds like you just describe capitalism.
>
> :)
>
> To add my Amway Store to the list. I once went to a meeting, run by a
> cow-orker in England. Up till that time I'd found him pleasant enough to
> work with. But after attending the meeting, seeing all the other little
> Amway drones preaching The Gospel Of The Upline, and feeling like I'd just
> been to a Reverand Moon brainwashing session, and (above all) doing some
> basic math ... I never felt the same about him again. And his attitude to
> me changed drastically, becoming almost hostile when I refused to sign up
> for the scam. He quit the company a year later, to do Amway full time, made
> a decent nut for about a year, then came back to work after his "cell"
> collapsed.
>
> Worse yet, the cleaning products I felt compelled to buy just to escape the
> meeting turned out to be ineffective and more expensive than the standard
> grocery store offerings, or even the environmentally sound alternatives I
> was buying at the time from a local health food shop..
>
> BTW ... has anyone seen the Brit TV mini-series (maybe six episodes?) called
> _Upline_? It is very obviously based on Amway, with enough deifferences to
> escape litigation, and is uproariously funny. I haven't seen it since it's
> release in the mid 80's (?), and if anyone knows how to find it on video ...
>
> >--MX
>
> -- hugh
>
>
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Beth
>
> Hugh Messenger wrote:
> >
>
> > To add my Amway Store to the list. I once went to a meeting, run by a
> > cow-orker in England. Up till that time I'd found him pleasant enough
>
>
> Sorry Hugh, I couldn't resist.
Perhaps it's one of those quaint (but disgusting) English customs?
Sorta like that "Chrismas pudding" thing...
Beth (needs to get a few in before working on those resolutions)
P.S. Who crossposted this thread? Fixed that...
Hugh Messenger
Ron Hammon wrote in message <368AEC...@airnet.net>...
>Hugh Messenger wrote:
>>
>
>> To add my Amway Store to the list. I once went to a meeting, run by a
>> cow-orker in England. Up till that time I'd found him pleasant enough
>
>How does one "ork" a cow?
>
>Sorry Hugh, I couldn't resist.
I can't remember where it came from, but cow-orker is one of those standard
deliberate mistooks. It may have been a Gary Larson cartoon. But anyway,
it wasn't a accidental typo, I just like the cow-orker variant. Like I
always tell people to "read the destructions" (instead of the instructions).
Etc.
-- hugh
CACinAL
business?". After going to a "meeting" with some friends, I again heard this
same line two years later by another friend. I have sat through four different
Amway presentations (the last was just to get a free meal), and they all use
the same pitch. The last guy went so far as to tell me that until he learned
how to present the scam, he didn't have much success.
Don't you just dread seeing people when you know they are involved with a MLM
scam?
Clyde Carlson
Ron Hammon
I was quoting the scam artists in the movie. They were explaining how
this particular idea was not a pyramid scheme. They used diagrams
showing a triangle and a trapezoid. I didn't coin the term pyramid
scheme, although I have wondered if it is not more appropriate in three
dimensions...or four.
In the movie, Richard Pryor had assumed the character of an ignorant,
black cowboy who was overly ambitious to join in. He even helped with
the money, and helped himself to some, knowing that the con men would
ignore his skimming if he did not expose them. He kept chanting
"TRAPEZOID!" with a tobacco chaw muffle. Now, when I hear something
suspicious, Richard Pryor shouts "TRAPEZOID!" in my ear.
Gerald D. Franks
Hugh Messenger
Gerald D. Franks wrote in message <368BE3ED...@iol-12.net>...
>Actually, you can make a pyramid of 4 sides if the base is a triangle.
Good point! So does a traingular based pyramid have a different topological
name than a square based one, or are they both just called pyramids?
BTW, did anyone else who posted in this thread get spam'ed by another MLM
company, who obviously have a 'bot which monitors the mlm groups we cross
posted to?
-- hugh
Detric S. Moton
dreamers out of there dream, I'm sorry you
people don't have a dream.
xin...@hotmail.com wrote in article <76964d$eq7$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> Amway distributors claim that they do the business to help people get
> rich. But in order to help one person to make any money, he or she must
> victimize thousands of people or more. I don't understand why that one
person
> is more important than the thousands to be victimized.
>
> --MX
call...@comports.com
cac...@aol.com (CACinAL) wrote:
> How many have heard the line "Have you ever considered starting your own
> business?".
In Sydney at Paddy's markets, whilst running a week-end stall there, selling
mobile phone cases and batteries, I would on average be prospected around 5 to
8 times each trading day, almost all talking about Amway!
> After going to a "meeting" with some friends, I again heard this
> same line two years later by another friend. I have sat through four
> different Amway presentations (the last was just to get a free meal), and
> they all use the same pitch. The last guy went so far as to tell me that
> until he learned how to present the scam, he didn't have much success.
Got that one many times too, people telling me that by learning how to present
the scam, he didn't have much success.
> Don't you just dread seeing people when you know they are involved with a MLM
> scam?
Yes! At least until one Saturday morning, when just after setting up my stall
at Paddy's markets, this well-dressed man in a suit approached me, tried a
few of my leather cases on his Mobile Phone, and we got talking about things
of business nature, whilst his wife and two kids were looking at Indian wood-
carved animals at a nearby stall. He didn't know that I was also an Amway
distributor, and when he gave me his business card, looking at his address, I
wasn't about to tell him either, as I felt that this person must be
reasonably successful, looking at the address on the business card, which is
a rather expensive area of Sydney's northern beaches, and not far from where
I lived. We set an appointment, as I felt that I might be able to learn a few
tricks of the trade here, as he insisted that you have to tell a few white
lies in order to succeed in the Amway business. So on the day, I drove to his
place, it was not a house, but a small mansion. I buzzed the intercom, and
after identifying myself on the Video intercom, the security gates opened. Up
the driveway, there was a convertible black BMW parked near the main
entrance. I parked my Ford right next to my dream-car, and approached the
main door. To cut a long story short, after coffeé and a few nibbles, being
showed the plan, and the huge income potential of the Amway business, if you
are prepared to stretch the truth a little bit, having had the opportunity in
being really impressed by the expensive furniture and decorations of this
fantastic house's interior, and seeing one of the best looking rock-swimming
pools in the backyard, I was a little skeptical as to whether this person was
really an Amway distributor of high level, as I was not totally convinced
from what I have learnt in the Network 21 organisation, that you can build a
solid and profitable business by deceiving people and stretching the truth.
My skepticism was washed away after seeing a framed photograph of this person
together with Rich Devos and Jay Van Andel and a few other people which he
said were one downline diamond, one emerald and two of his nine downline
direct distributors. Hmmm. Sounds like Double Diamond to me, just proves it
can be done, if you are not too worried about compromising your principles in
order to become wealthy and successful.
----ROGER---->
NB: He was in the Britt Organisation by the way.
Simon Lane
>People with broke mentality will always continue to try and tear the big
>dreamers out of there dream, I'm sorry you
>people don't have a dream.
Why, thank you for you're [1] heart felt sympathy. Why, tell me brother, how
do I go about fixin' my broke mentality [2]?
[1] cf 'there'
[2] I am assuming I have a 'broke mentality' because I think that Amway, and
other pyramid^H^H^H^H^H^H^H network / MLM schemes are confidence tricks.
T.J. Higgins
>
>[removed cross-posts]
>
>Gerald D. Franks wrote in message <368BE3ED...@iol-12.net>...
>>Actually, you can make a pyramid of 4 sides if the base is a triangle.
>
>Good point! So does a traingular based pyramid have a different topological
>name than a square based one, or are they both just called pyramids?
According to the dictionary, any object that has a point at one end
and a polygon base at the other can be called a pyramid. However,
each one no doubt has a specific topological/mathematical name based
on the number of sides the base polygon has.
>BTW, did anyone else who posted in this thread get spam'ed by another MLM
>company, who obviously have a 'bot which monitors the mlm groups we cross
>posted to?
Yep.
--
TJH
Ron Hammon
>
> I can't remember where it came from, but cow-orker is one of those standard
> deliberate mistooks. It may have been a Gary Larson cartoon. But anyway,
> it wasn't a accidental typo, I just like the cow-orker variant. Like I
> always tell people to "read the destructions" (instead of the instructions).
> Etc.
>
> -- hugh
I thought it seemed very familiar. I almost refrained from posting
because it might lead to goats and another runaway thread bashing the
unlucky. Call this an anti-troll as I've punched the line very softly.
Carol Farquhar
>I can't remember where it came from, but cow-orker is one of those standard
>deliberate mistooks. It may have been a Gary Larson cartoon. But anyway,
>it wasn't a accidental typo, I just like the cow-orker variant. Like I
>always tell people to "read the destructions" (instead of the instructions).
>Etc.
I believe cow-orker came from the Bastard Operator From Hell series
which always inspired me in my various tech support and admin
stints.
Carol
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AFAIK, 'cow-orker' originated from a bad line break in a posting to
alt.folklore.urban (the newsgroup where the 'voracity' of Urban Legends is
debated). Most ULs come from FOAFs and cow-orkers.
--.--.com
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did 7 Billion last year without you. It's produced more financially
independent people and multimillionaires than in business in history! The
problem is most people want a free lunch and aren't willing to the work in.
Amway is the best distribution set up in the world. They are the best at
what they do. If anyone has had a bad experience, it was probably due to
the group of people they were involved with. I do apologize for that.
I bet you people are also unaware of the name change and how Amway has put
millions into their own server. That's right! They will be linked up with
every major manufacturer online. It's to bad that most of you will pay
more buying a T.V, stereo, shoes.... etc...... at the store, while us Amway
distributors can go through a web server and go directly to the
manufacturer's web page, order what we need and get paid for it. Think
about it. Walmart did 60 billion by eliminatiing the "middleman". We're
eliminating the "middleman" and the store. Sit back and watch!
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> None of you people have a clue what you are talking about. The Amway Crop.
> did 7 Billion last year without you. It's produced more financially
> independent people and multimillionaires than in business in history! The
> problem is most people want a free lunch and aren't willing to the work in.
Jeff, just run the numbers. $7 billion is the GROSS number, not the
NET. What was AmWay's profit last year? Divide that by 3 million
people, and you'll see people in AmWay don't make money -- only the Van
Andel's and the DeVos's.
And don't make unsubstantiated assertions like "more than any other
business in history." Regardless of what your uplines might have told
you, that statement simply is not true. Either show me a list of
multimillionaires in AmWay and their incomes, or an article from an
independent source like Forbes magazine, Kiplinger's, etc. AmWay is NOT
on a par with US Steel, the company that could make that claim back in
the first part of this century.
PEACE!
Bo Williams
> None of you people have a clue what you are talking about. The Amway Crop.
Interesting transposition. Stick a different vowel in there and you're
speakin' my language. :)
> did 7 Billion last year without you.
Gee, I sure hope they're not counting on me this year.
> It's produced more financially
> independent people and multimillionaires than in business in history!
I'd like an independent citation for that, please.
> The
> problem is most people want a free lunch and aren't willing to the work in.
Ah. Gotcha.
> Amway is the best distribution set up in the world. They are the best at
> what they do.
I'll agree wholeheartedly with the second sentence there. However, I
suspect that my definition of "what they do" differs markedly from
yours.
<snip>
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George Hawes
>None of you people have a clue what you are talking about.
And we sure are losing a lot of sleep over it . .
G.
Simon Lane
>The Amway Crop. did 7 Billion last year without you.
Coca? Opium poppies??
"Just say no, folks!".
Jon
: every major manufacturer online. It's to bad that most of you will pay
: more buying a T.V, stereo, shoes.... etc...... at the store, while us Amway
: distributors can go through a web server and go directly to the
: manufacturer's web page, order what we need and get paid for it. Think
Name the manufacturers who allow you to order directly from them from
their web site.
Or are you just getting your technology terminology in a twist?
Jon
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* Amway Corp., which uses networked PCs to track the expiration dates of
chemicals it mixes, had a string of chemicals rejected by the network because
the expiration dates seemed to be in the year 1900.
-Art-
In article <769niu$hbm$1...@winter.news.rcn.net>,
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