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Namaskar All,

I have a serious doubt.In Srimadbhagavatam Canto 6, chapter 4, text
9 , it is said that four legged animals like deer and goat along
with foodgrains are meant for human consumption.

I really do not know whether to understand that this is a
translator's oversight or what.I am seriously confused at to what
scriptures say on meat eating.

Also in Canto 6 , chapter18, text 15 it is said that
" The wife of Hlâda was named Dhamani. She gave birth to two sons,
named Vâtâpi and Ilvala. When Âgastya Muni became Ilvala's guest,
Ilvala served him a feast by cooking Vâtâpi, who was in the shape of
a ram. "

This means RAM was served as food for Munis???!!!!

Please clarify .

Thanks
Suchitra

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SB 6/18/25---READ HERE ALSO!!!!

When dead, the bodies of all the rulers known as kings and great leaders will be transformed into worms, stool or ashes. If one enviously kills others for the protection of such a body, does he actually know the true interest of life? Certainly he does not, for if one is envious of other entities, he surely goes to hell.---

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> Namaskar All,
>
> I have a serious doubt.In Srimadbhagavatam Canto 6, chapter 4, text
> 9 , it is said that four legged animals like deer and goat along
> with foodgrains are meant for human consumption.
>
> I really do not know whether to understand that this is a
> translator's oversight or what.I am seriously confused at to what
> scriptures say on meat eating.
>
> Also in Canto 6 , chapter18, text 15 it is said that
> " The wife of Hlâda was named Dhamani. She gave birth to two sons,
> named Vâtâpi and Ilvala. When Âgastya Muni became Ilvala's guest,
> Ilvala served him a feast by cooking Vâtâpi, who was in the shape of
> a ram. "
>
>
> This means RAM was served as food for Munis???!!!!
>
> Please clarify .
>
> Thanks
> Suchitra
>

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READ FURTHER!!!

WHY YOU STOP READING futher-PURPORT OF SRILA PRABHUPADJI-THE BEST EXPLANATION?? IT IS RIGHT HERE-

PURPORT
By nature's law, or the arrangement of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one kind of living entity is eatable by other living entities. As mentioned herein, dvi-padäà ca catuñ-padaù: the four-legged animals (catuñ-padaù), as well as food grains, are eatables for human beings (dvi-padäm). These four-legged animals are those such as deer and goats, not cows, which are meant to be protected. Generally the men of the higher classes of society—the brähmanas, kshatriyas and vaisyas—do not eat meat. Sometimes kñatriyas go to the forest to kill animals like deer because they have to learn the art of killing, and sometimes they eat the animals also. südras, too, eat animals such as goats. Cows, however, are never meant to be killed or eaten by human beings. In every çästra, cow killing is vehemently condemned. Indeed, one who kills a cow must suffer for as many years as there are hairs on the body of a cow. Manu-saàhitä says, pravåttir eñä bhütänäà nivåttis tu mahä-phalä: we have many tendencies in this material world, but in human life one is meant to learn how to curb those tendencies. Those who desire to eat meat may satisfy the demands of their tongues by eating lower animals, but they should never kill cows, who are actually accepted as the mothers of human society because they supply milk. The çästra especially recommends, kåñi-go-rakñya: the vaiçya section of humanity should arrange for the food of the entire society through agricultural activities and should give full protection to the cows, which are the most useful animals because they supply milk to human society.

--- In HowToLoveKrishna@yahoogroups.com, "suchitra_kamath" <suchitra_kamath@...> wrote:
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> Namaskar All,
>
> I have a serious doubt.In Srimadbhagavatam Canto 6, chapter 4, text
> 9 , it is said that four legged animals like deer and goat along
> with foodgrains are meant for human consumption.
>
> I really do not know whether to understand that this is a
> translator's oversight or what.I am seriously confused at to what
> scriptures say on meat eating.
>
> Also in Canto 6 , chapter18, text 15 it is said that
> " The wife of Hlâda was named Dhamani. She gave birth to two sons,
> named Vâtâpi and Ilvala. When Âgastya Muni became Ilvala's guest,
> Ilvala served him a feast by cooking Vâtâpi, who was in the shape of
> a ram. "
>
>
> This means RAM was served as food for Munis???!!!!
>
> Please clarify .
>
> Thanks
> Suchitra
>

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Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! All glories to Srila Bhaktivinoda, Srila Prabhupada, my most beloved Srila Gaurangapada and all Vaisnavas. Please accept my humble obeisances and blessings. I pray that this meets you well and in the service/mercy of Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga.

My Dearest Suchitra Prabhuji;

Thank you for your post and very important questions.

Your wrote: "I have a serious doubt.In Srimadbhagavatam Canto 6, chapter 4, text 9 , it is said that four legged animals like deer and goat along with foodgrains are meant for human consumption.

I really do not know whether to understand that this is a
translator's oversight or what.I am seriously confused at to what
scriptures say on meat eating."

In the Srimad Bhagavatam, 6.4.9 we find the following verse:

annam caranam acara
hy apadah pada-carinam
ahasta hasta-yuktanam
dvi-padam ca catus-padah

"By nature's arrangement, fruits and flowers are considered the food of insects and birds; grass and other legless living entities are meant to be the food of four-legged animals like cows and buffalo; animals that cannot use their front legs as hands are meant to be the food of animals like tigers, which have claws; and four-legged animals like deer and goats, as well as food grains, are meant to be the food of human beings."

Srila Prabhupada writes in his purport concerning this verse:

By nature's law, or the arrangement of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one kind of living entity is eatable by other living entities. As mentioned herein, dvi-padam ca catus-padah: the four-legged animals (catus-padah), as well as food grains, are eatables for human beings (dvi-padam). These four-legged animals are those such as deer and goats, not cows, which are meant to be protected. Generally the men of the higher classes of society--the brahamanas, ksatriyas and vaisyas--do not eat meat."

The Manu-samita says, "pravrtta sea bhutanam nivrttis tu maha-phala": "We have many tendencies in this material world, but in human life one is meant to learn how to curb those tendencies". Those who desire to eat meat may satisfy the demands of their tongues by eating lower animals, but they should never kill cows, whoare actually accepted as the mothers of human society because they supply milk.

While the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Sri Krishna, has created this material manifestation, and the maintenance of all living entities is to take their food from other living enitities, the higher levels of human society recognize and practice the laws of ahimsa, or the laws of compassion.

While we are indeed fortunate that we are able to take our food-stuffs from grains and other vegetarian life-forms, it is more important that we first offer all things that we consume to the Lord first and only take His remants, prasadam. Although this verse tells us that "deer and goats" are authorized as food, this is not meant that as Vaisnavas we can eat meat. We can only partake of prasadam, and there are limitations to which we can offer foods to the Lord.

We cannot offer any type of meat, nor can we offer onions, garlic, muchrooms, etc., to the Lord. While this is one verse among millions, we cannot take this one verse out of context and use it as a justification to eat meat. There are many other laws that come into play when we violate the laws of ahimsa and kill an animal for the soul purpose of enjoying its flesh.

As we read on in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, chapter six, we find shortly that King Pariksit is admonished that in his position as King he is to protect all living entities, not just the humans in his kingdom. Those that are in authority must use this authority in the highest regard and benefit of all living entities. Cow protection is a must, and all cows, according to sastra are to be protected, just as a good son protects his mother, sisters and all women. In these immediate verses King Parisit is told that "Your duty is to wish the citizens [prajas] all prosperity and to act as their protector". (verse 7)

As having taken birth in the human form of life upon this planet, we are called to serve the lotus feet of the Lord in all manner and cause. All life is part and parcel of the Lord, no matter what form that spirit-soul has taken birth. All birth is according to the laws of karma, so whether one takes birth as a human, a cow, or a dog, this life is sacred and is to be respected, honored and protected. How much sense does it make that we can kill another living entitiy just because of the form they took at birth? This makes as much sense as being eaten by cannables just because we do not belong to their tribe or society! When we consider the Laws of Ahimsa, and also the Laws of Manu, then much more comes into our understanding of how important it is to protect all life, praying that all living entities we come into contact with receive our blessings, prayers and compassion so that they too may receive the human form in their next life so that they may return to Godhead.

You also wrote:

Also in Canto 6 , chapter18, text 15 it is said that
" The wife of Hlâda was named Dhamani. She gave birth to two sons, named Vâtâpi and Ilvala. When Âgastya Muni became Ilvala's guest, Ilvala served him a feast by cooking Vâtâpi, who was in the shape of a ram. "

This means RAM was served as food for Munis???!!!!

hradasya dhamanir bharaya-
suta vatapim ilvalam
yo 'gastyaya tv atithaye
pece vatapim ilvalah

"The wife of Hlada was named Dhamani. She gave birth to two sons, named Vatapi and Ilvala. When Agastya Muni became Ilvala's guest, Ilvala served him a feast by cooking Vatapi, who was in the shape of a ram."

Since there is no purport written by Srila Prabhupada concerning this verse, we must take on the task of taking it apart and applying logic to such a verse.

1. Dhamani gave birth to two sons, Vatapi and Ilvala.
2. Ilvala served Vatapi to Agastya Muni in a feast, when Vatapi took the shape of a ram.
3. From the previous verses in Chapter 6, we come to understand that we are reading of the demonic legacy of Hiranyakasipu.

Since we are having to understand that this is a demonic situation, the statement of "served him (Agastya Muni) a feast by cooking Vatapi, in the shape of a ram is demonic. What demon would not want to corrupt a saint?

In the purport to Srimad Bhagavatam 4.28.32, Srila Prabhupada writes: "The name Agastya Muni is very significant. Agastya Muni represents the mind. The word "agastya" indicates that the senses do not act independently, and the word "muni" means "mind". The mind is the center of all the senses, and thus the senses cannot work independently of the mind. When the mind takes to the cult of bhakti, it engages in devotional service.

Since Agastya Muni represents the mind, Ilvala the demon acted in such a manner to corrupt the mind through the presentation of a meat laden meal. Vedic sastra tells us that the eating of meat disturbs the mind and sends it into all manner of distress and disruption. This is the behavior of demons, to cause distress and disruption among the Lord's devotees. Only through the practice of Bhakti can the mind be calmed and brought into discipline. This is enhanced greatly through the chanting of the Holy Names, which we are encouraged to undertake with great severity.

No where in Vaisnava writings are we encouraged to take to the eating of meat, but to strictly follow the four regulative principles and to chant the Holy Names. When we take one verse, as in the case and point above without the guidance of a bono-fide spiritual master all manner of assumptions can take hold in the mind. I sincerely pray that you will submit these types of questions to your spiritual master so that he may explain more fully in person so that you may gain a complete understanding of sastra.

Your eternal servant;
Nitaipada Maharaja

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Killing animals and eating meat is the act of fate of the individual....

Nitaipada Maharaja <nitaipada_maharaja@yahoo.com> wrote:

Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! All glories to Srila Bhaktivinoda, Srila Prabhupada, my most beloved Srila Gaurangapada and all Vaisnavas. Please accept my humble obeisances and blessings. I pray that this meets you well and in the service/mercy of Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga.

My Dearest Suchitra Prabhuji;

Thank you for your post and very important questions.

Your wrote: "I have a serious doubt.In Srimadbhagavatam Canto 6, chapter 4, text 9 , it is said that four legged animals like deer and goat along with foodgrains are meant for human consumption.

I really do not know whether to understand that this is a
translator's oversight or what.I am seriously confused at to what
scriptures say on meat eating."

In the Srimad Bhagavatam, 6.4.9 we find the following verse:

annam caranam acara
hy apadah pada-carinam
ahasta hasta-yuktanam
dvi-padam ca catus-padah

"By nature's arrangement, fruits and flowers are considered the food of insects and birds; grass and other legless living entities are meant to be the food of four-legged animals like cows and buffalo; animals that cannot use their front legs as hands are meant to be the food of animals like tigers, which have claws; and four-legged animals like deer and goats, as well as food grains, are meant to be the food of human beings."

Srila Prabhupada writes in his purport concerning this verse:

By nature's law, or the arrangement of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one kind of living entity is eatable by other living entities. As mentioned herein, dvi-padam ca catus-padah: the four-legged animals (catus-padah), as well as food grains, are eatables for human beings (dvi-padam). These four-legged animals are those such as deer and goats, not cows, which are meant to be protected. Generally the men of the higher classes of society--the brahamanas, ksatriyas and vaisyas--do not eat meat."

The Manu-samita says, "pravrtta sea bhutanam nivrttis tu maha-phala": "We have many tendencies in this material world, but in human life one is meant to learn how to curb those tendencies". Those who desire to eat meat may satisfy the demands of their tongues by eating lower animals, but they should never kill cows, whoare actually accepted as the mothers of human society because they supply milk.

While the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Sri Krishna, has created this material manifestation, and the maintenance of all living entities is to take their food from other living enitities, the higher levels of human society recognize and practice the laws of ahimsa, or the laws of compassion.

While we are indeed fortunate that we are able to take our food-stuffs from grains and other vegetarian life-forms, it is more important that we first offer all things that we consume to the Lord first and only take His remants, prasadam. Although this verse tells us that "deer and goats" are authorized as food, this is not meant that as Vaisnavas we can eat meat. We can only partake of prasadam, and there are limitations to which we can offer foods to the Lord.

We cannot offer any type of meat, nor can we offer onions, garlic, muchrooms, etc., to the Lord. While this is one verse among millions, we cannot take this one verse out of context and use it as a justification to eat meat. There are many other laws that come into play when we violate the laws of ahimsa and kill an animal for the soul purpose of enjoying its flesh.

As we read on in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, chapter six, we find shortly that King Pariksit is admonished that in his position as King he is to protect all living entities, not just the humans in his kingdom. Those that are in authority must use this authority in the highest regard and benefit of all living entities. Cow protection is a must, and all cows, according to sastra are to be protected, just as a good son protects his mother, sisters and all women. In these immediate verses King Parisit is told that "Your duty is to wish the citizens [prajas] all prosperity and to act as their protector". (verse 7)

As having taken birth in the human form of life upon this planet, we are called to serve the lotus feet of the Lord in all manner and cause. All life is part and parcel of the Lord, no matter what form that spirit-soul has taken birth. All birth is according to the laws of karma, so whether one takes birth as a human, a cow, or a dog, this life is sacred and is to be respected, honored and protected. How much sense does it make that we can kill another living entitiy just because of the form they took at birth? This makes as much sense as being eaten by cannables just because we do not belong to their tribe or society! When we consider the Laws of Ahimsa, and also the Laws of Manu, then much more comes into our understanding of how important it is to protect all life, praying that all living entities we come into contact with receive our blessings, prayers and compassion so that they too may receive the human form in their next life so that they may return to Godhead.

You also wrote:

Also in Canto 6 , chapter18, text 15 it is said that

" The wife of Hlāda was named Dhamani. She gave birth to two sons, named Vātāpi and Ilvala. When Āgastya Muni became Ilvala's guest, Ilvala served him a feast by cooking Vātāpi, who was in the shape of a ram. "

" The wife of Hlāda was named Dhamani. She gave birth to two sons,
named Vātāpi and Ilvala. When Āgastya Muni became Ilvala's guest,
Ilvala served him a feast by cooking Vātāpi, who was in the shape of

a ram. "

This means RAM was served as food for Munis???!!!!

Please clarify .

Thanks
Suchitra

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My Dearest Raghu Prabhuji;

The killing of animals and the eating of their flesh is NOT the act of fate, it is the action of free will, something that an individual CAN control when they are taught and lead properly. When one uses "fate" as an excuse for the ending of the life of a living entity is refusing to take on the responsibility that we as individuals make choices on how we are going to live this life in the material world, or whether we are going to take this opportunity to return back to Godhead.

Forgive me if I do not agree with you on this issue, but sastra stands against such a statement.

Your eternal servant;

Nitaipada Maharaja

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Killing animals and eating meat is the act of fate of the individual.. ..

Nitaipada Maharaja <nitaipada_maharaja@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! All glories to Srila Bhaktivinoda, Srila Prabhupada, my most beloved Srila Gaurangapada and all Vaisnavas. Please accept my humble obeisances and blessings. I pray that this meets you well and in the service/mercy of Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga.

My Dearest Suchitra Prabhuji;

Thank you for your post and very important questions.

Your wrote: "I have a serious doubt.In Srimadbhagavatam Canto 6, chapter 4, text 9 , it is said that four legged animals like deer and goat along with foodgrains are meant for human consumption.

I really do not know whether to understand that this is a
translator's oversight or what.I am seriously confused at to what
scriptures say on meat eating."

In the Srimad Bhagavatam, 6.4.9 we find the following verse:

annam caranam acara
hy apadah pada-carinam
ahasta hasta-yuktanam
dvi-padam ca catus-padah

"By nature's arrangement, fruits and flowers are considered the food of insects and birds; grass and other legless living entities are meant to be the food of four-legged animals like cows and buffalo; animals that cannot use their front legs as hands are meant to be the food of animals like tigers, which have claws; and four-legged animals like deer and goats, as well as food grains, are meant to be the food of human beings."

Srila Prabhupada writes in his purport concerning this verse:

By nature's law, or the arrangement of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one kind of living entity is eatable by other living entities. As mentioned herein, dvi-padam ca catus-padah: the four-legged animals (catus-padah) , as well as food grains, are eatables for human beings (dvi-padam). These four-legged animals are those such as deer and goats, not cows, which are meant to be protected. Generally the men of the higher classes of society--the brahamanas, ksatriyas and vaisyas--do not eat meat."

The Manu-samita says, "pravrtta sea bhutanam nivrttis tu maha-phala": "We have many tendencies in this material world, but in human life one is meant to learn how to curb those tendencies". Those who desire to eat meat may satisfy the demands of their tongues by eating lower animals, but they should never kill cows, whoare actually accepted as the mothers of human society because they supply milk.

While the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Sri Krishna, has created this material manifestation, and the maintenance of all living entities is to take their food from other living enitities, the higher levels of human society recognize and practice the laws of ahimsa, or the laws of compassion.

While we are indeed fortunate that we are able to take our food-stuffs from grains and other vegetarian life-forms, it is more important that we first offer all things that we consume to the Lord first and only take His remants, prasadam. Although this verse tells us that "deer and goats" are authorized as food, this is not meant that as Vaisnavas we can eat meat. We can only partake of prasadam, and there are limitations to which we can offer foods to the Lord.

We cannot offer any type of meat, nor can we offer onions, garlic, muchrooms, etc., to the Lord. While this is one verse among millions, we cannot take this one verse out of context and use it as a justification to eat meat. There are many other laws that come into play when we violate the laws of ahimsa and kill an animal for the soul purpose of enjoying its flesh.

As we read on in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, chapter six, we find shortly that King Pariksit is admonished that in his position as King he is to protect all living entities, not just the humans in his kingdom. Those that are in authority must use this authority in the highest regard and benefit of all living entities. Cow protection is a must, and all cows, according to sastra are to be protected, just as a good son protects his mother, sisters and all women. In these immediate verses King Parisit is told that "Your duty is to wish the citizens [prajas] all prosperity and to act as their protector". (verse 7)

As having taken birth in the human form of life upon this planet, we are called to serve the lotus feet of the Lord in all manner and cause. All life is part and parcel of the Lord, no matter what form that spirit-soul has taken birth. All birth is according to the laws of karma, so whether one takes birth as a human, a cow, or a dog, this life is sacred and is to be respected, honored and protected. How much sense does it make that we can kill another living entitiy just because of the form they took at birth? This makes as much sense as being eaten by cannables just because we do not belong to their tribe or society! When we consider the Laws of Ahimsa, and also the Laws of Manu, then much more comes into our understanding of how important it is to protect all life, praying that all living entities we come into contact with receive our blessings, prayers and compassion so that they too may receive the human form in their next life so that they may return to Godhead.

You also wrote:

Also in Canto 6 , chapter18, text 15 it is said that

" The wife of Hlâda was named Dhamani. She gave birth to two sons, named Vâtâpi and Ilvala. When Âgastya Muni became Ilvala's guest, Ilvala served him a feast by cooking Vâtâpi, who was in the shape of a ram. "