Republican Inquisitors
ChuckR
Newsweek has just released new polling results showing:
ELEVEN percent want the impeachment process to continue.
Fifty-six percent want to censure and move on.
(All the rest want the Republican Inquisitors to head for Siberia.)
Democratic congressional campaign ads are being refitted to show
disdain for Gingrich, Hyde, and Company and support for Clinton.
Time will tell.
Ed Biggs
Ed wrote......
I wonder if there is room on that train going to Siberia for
Tracey...@CLUELESS.net?
Ed
TraceyLevin,,
>
> Sunday, 5:00 p.m.
>
> Newsweek has just released new polling results showing:
>
> ELEVEN percent want the impeachment process to continue.
> Fifty-six percent want to censure and move on.
> (All the rest want the Republican Inquisitors to head for Siberia.)
>
> Democratic congressional campaign ads are being refitted to show
> disdain for Gingrich, Hyde, and Company and support for Clinton.
> Time will tell.
Maybe this will help you understand a little better:
DRUDGE REPORT
SUN OCT 11 1998 20:28:41 ET
x x x x x
WHITE HOUSE LAWYER MILLS REFERRED TO JUSTICE ON OBSTRUCTION; HILL REPORT
HITS CLINTONS WITH
'THEFT OF GOVERNMENT PROPERTY'
**EXCLUSIVE DETAILS**
A congressional subcommittee has written a blistering report that will
level new charges
against the president and first lady, accusing them of taking part in
the 'theft of government
property.'
The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained the report, soon to be released on, where
else, the Internet [
http://www.house.gov/reform/neg/reports/whodb/whodb.htm ] -- and the
more than 500 pages of
back up material outlining the committee's findings in the White House
Database project.
The subcommittee's findings become the obsession of key players on The
Hill over the weekend
and was moving under the media radar in scandal-fatigued Washington.
"No one here wants another scandal," one lawmaker told the DRUDGE REPORT
in Washington.
It was not known late Sunday if the Database findings will be
incorporated into the House
Judiciary Committee's impeachment investigation.
The story involves a White House computer database allegedly used as a
political fundraising
tool.
The report charges that "White House personnel took government data and
transferred it to the
Democratic National Committee to assist in campaign fundraising."
The database, which cost 1.7 million in tax dollars, included records of
people who attended
White House social events, meetings and other functions as well as the
White House Christmas
card list.
An investigative subcommittee of the House Government Reform and
Oversight Committee has
gathered hundreds of documents and conducted dozens of depositions that
it says shows a trail
of unlawful activity -- a trail that leads to the president and his
wife!
"The pattern of evidence obtained by the committee implicates the
president and the First Lady
in the possible theft of government property," the report states in its
opening summary.
Concluding its two year investigation into the White House Database, the
subcommittee charges
that "the president's involvement in the plan to convert government
property to the DNC and the
ultimate accomplishment of that plan motivated the White House to mount
an extraordinary effort
to delay and impede the investigation."
Deputy Counsel to the President Cheryl Mills [a Harold Ickes recruit]
has been hit with a
charge of "lying to the committee and obstructing the investigation by
withholding documents."
The Mills matter has been referred to the Department of Justice for
investigation.
The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained a confidential secret memo from the woman
who was co-ordinating
the computer project, Marsha Scott, the memo was given to the First Lady
and White House big
shots Bruce Lindsey and Harold Ickes.
The First Lady, in her own handwriting, notes on the memo outlining the
computer database and
sharing its information with the DNC: "This sounds promising, please
advise."
Another Scott memo states: "This is the president's idea and it's a good
one."
[The committee report states that Hillary Clinton "actually received a
demonstration of the
Database."]
It has been learned that White House staffer Scott walked out of a
deposition exploring the
matter.
One Scott memo sent to Hillary Clinton and Bruce Lindsey on January 26,
1994 -- marked
"confidential" -- reveals that Scott was concerned about the loyalty of
those who would work on
the Database project.
Scott wrote:
"Another unanticipated obstacle has been the recent downsizing efforts
throughout the EOP
[Executive Office of the President] which resulted in the removal of...
the young, computer
enthusiasts who kept up with the cutting edge technologies. When they
were let go we were left
for the most part with an older, certainly less enthusiastic groups
whose allegiance is, in my
opinion, highly questionable."
A deputy White House lawyer had warned all involved in the project that
data from the computer
may be provided to sources outside of the federal government "only for
authorized purposes."
David Watkins, then assistant to the president, said in an eyes only
"privileged and
confidential" memo: "The White House Database will be government
property and can not be used
by a campaign entity."
The report accuses the White House of sharing files from the database
with the DNC and the
Clinton/Gore reelection campaign -- even using White House staffers to
transfer the
information. The trail from White House to DNC is detailed in hundreds
of pages of documents
and testimony.
The report's summary concludes:
"The committee has obtained evidence that Deputy Counsel to the
President Cheryl Mills perjured
herself and obstructed the investigation to prevent Congress and the
American public from
finding out that the president and the First Lady were involved in the
unlawful conversion of
government property; the president and the first lady were involved in
the unlawful conversion
of governments property to the use of the DNC and the Clinton/Gore
campaign; and numerous other
individuals, including Erskine Bowles and Marsha Scott were also
involved in the unlawful
conversion of government property to the use of the DNC and the campaign
through the diversion
of data and resources."
The WASHINGTON POST has taken a pass on the report, it has been learned.
Developing...
X X X X X
TraceyLevin,,
DRUDGE REPORT
SAT OCT 10 1998 13:28:41 ET
x x x x x
CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE SET TO CHARGE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY WITH
POSSIBLE THEFT OF
GOVERNMENT PROPERTY
**EXCLUSIVE DETAILS**
A CONGRESSIONAL SUBCOMMITTEE HAS WRITTEN A REPORT THAT WILL LEVEL NEW
CHARGES AGAINST THE
PRESIDENT AND THE FIRST LADY, ACCUSING THEM OF TAKING PART IN 'THEFT OF
GOVERNMENT PROPERTY.'
THE DRUDGE REPORT HAS OBTAINED THE STUNNING REPORT -- AND THE MORE THAN
500-PAGES OF BACK UP
MATERIAL -- OUTLINING THE COMMITTEE'S FINDINGS IN THE WHITE HOUSE
DATABASE SCANDAL.
THE STORY INVOLVES A WHITE HOUSE DATABASE ALLEGEDLY USED AS A POLITICAL
FUNDRAISING TOOL.
THE DATABASE, WHICH COST 1.7 MILLION IN TAX DOLLARS, INCLUDED RECORDS OF
PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED
WHITE HOUSE SOCIAL EVENTS, MEETINGS AND OTHER FUNCTIONS AS WELL AS THE
CHRISTMAS CARD LIST.
THE REPORT ACCUSES THE WHITE HOUSE OF SHARING THE DATABASE WITH THE
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL
COMMITTEE -- FOR THE DIRECT PURPOSES OF FUNDRAISING.
THE INVESTIGATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE HOUSE GOVERNMENT REFORM AND
OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE HAS
GATHERED HUNDREDS OF DOCUMENTS, CONDUCTED DOZENS OF DEPOSITIONS, THAT IT
SAYS SHOWS A TRAIL.
THE DRUDGE REPORT HAS OBTAINED A CONFIDENTIAL SECRET MEMO FROM THE WOMAN
WHO WAS CO-ORDINATING
THE COMPUTER PROJECT, MARSHA SCOTT, CC'D TO THE FIRST LADY AND WHITE
HOUSE BIG SHOTS BRUCE
LINDSEY AND HAROLD ICKES.
THE MEMO OUTLINES THE PLAN TO SHARE THE INFORMATION WITH THE DNC.
THE FIRST LADY, IN HER OWN HANDWRITING, NOTES ON THE MEMO: "THIS SOUNDS
PROMISING, PLEASE
ADVISE."
[WHITE HOUSE STAFFER SCOTT WALKED OUT OF A DEPOSITION EXPLORING THE
MATTER, ONE SENIOR
CONCESSIONAL SOURCE TOLD THE DRUDGE REPORT IN WASHINGTON ON FRIDAY.]
BUT SIX MONTHS PRIOR, A DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE LAWYER HAD WARNED THAT DATA
FROM THE COMPUTER MAY BE
PROVIDED TO SOURCES OUTSIDE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 'ONLY FOR AUTHORIZED
PURPOSES.'
DAVID WATKINS, THEN ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT, SAID IN AN EYES ONLY,
'PRIVILEGED AND
CONFIDENTIAL MEMO': "THE WHITE HOUSE DATABASE WILL BE GOVERNMENT
PROPERTY AND CAN NOT BE USED
BY A CAMPAIGN ENTITY."
KEN STARR MAY NOT BE THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN. THE DRUDGE REPORT HAS
LEARNED THAT THE DATABASE
PROBE HAS ALREADY RESULTED IN A CRIMINAL REFERRAL TO THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT INVOLVING A SENIOR
WHITE HOUSE INSIDER.
IT IS NOT KNOWN IF THE DATABASE FINDINGS WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE
HOUSE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE'S IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION.
DEVELOPING...
TraceyLevin,,
Are more homosexual Democrats coming out of the closet?
I thought they were already "outted" and calling Braney Franks
office!
ChuckR
Your insensitivity is astonishing. In light of the suffering and, as
of this morning, the death of Matthew Shepard, your attempt to be
humorous is sickening. Gay-bashing, actual and implied, must stop.
Chuck
Jeffrey E, Salzberg
chuc...@hotmail.com says to David in Drag....
> Your insensitivity is astonishing. In light of the suffering and, as
> of this morning, the death of Matthew Shepard, your attempt to be
> humorous is sickening.
Chuck, let's have a little compassion. It's obvious that
David feels inadequate and ineffectual; for him to have
any sense of self-worth at all, he must denigrate others
so that he might feel superior to them.
--
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Tom
impeachment proceedings have begun and must be completed. That doesn't
mean he will be removed and could result in censure. We'll see.
eisn...@idt.net
> Why do we need a national coming out week?
>
> Are more homosexual Democrats coming out of the closet?
>
> I thought they were already "outted" and calling Braney Franks
> office!
IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THAT SHAKESPEARE WAS RIGHT WHEN HE PENNED "METHINKS HE
PROTESTS TOO MUCH!" YOU SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WHO HAS PROBLEMS WITH YOUR
SEXUAL ORIENTATION!
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ChuckR
Salzberg) wrote:
>In article <3622e5aa...@news.swbell.net>,
>chuc...@hotmail.com says to David in Drag....
>
>
>> Your insensitivity is astonishing. In light of the suffering and, as
>> of this morning, the death of Matthew Shepard, your attempt to be
>> humorous is sickening.
>
>Chuck, let's have a little compassion. It's obvious that
>David feels inadequate and ineffectual; for him to have
>any sense of self-worth at all, he must denigrate others
>so that he might feel superior to them.
>
I don't know who David In Drag is, nor do I care.
If you go back to my original message, you will see it was in response
to remarks made by Tracey Levin.
Chuck
BD
scared into accepting the perverts by such crap.. "You're a closet gay if
you don't accept gays"... What a f'ing JOKE...
Nearly as bad as the schoolyard "You farted because you were the last one to
admit to smelling it"...
eisn...@idt.net wrote in message ...
Jeffrey E, Salzberg
chuc...@hotmail.com says....
> I don't know who David In Drag is, nor do I care.
> If you go back to my original message, you will see it was in response
> to remarks made by Tracey Levin.
Tracey Levin used to post under the name David Abrams and
hence is "David in Drag".
Robert L. Coyle Jr.
: On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:58:57 -0500, "TraceyLevin,,"
: <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
: >Why do we need a national coming out week?
: >
: > Are more homosexual Democrats coming out of the closet?
: >
: > I thought they were already "outted" and calling Braney Franks
: >office!
: Your insensitivity is astonishing. In light of the suffering and, as
: of this morning, the death of Matthew Shepard, your attempt to be
: humorous is sickening. Gay-bashing, actual and implied, must stop.
I totally agree, Chuck. This country was founded upon the principles of
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. If a minority segment of our
population derives happiness from choosing to be homosexual, and leading a
gay lifestyle, so be it.
ChuckR
wrote:
So far as I can tell among my friends and in my own experience, it's
not a matter of choice. Just the same, life, liberty, and happiness
are freedoms granted to all. People like Levin would like to see that
changed. People like Levin end up killing people like Matthew
Shepard. And enjoying it. These people are known as sociopaths.
Chuck
TraceyLevin,,
>
> ChuckR (chuc...@hotmail.com) wrote:
> : On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:58:57 -0500, "TraceyLevin,,"
> : <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>
> : >Why do we need a national coming out week?
> : >
> : > Are more homosexual Democrats coming out of the closet?
> : >
> : > I thought they were already "outted" and calling Braney Franks
> : >office!
>
> : Your insensitivity is astonishing. In light of the suffering and, as
> : of this morning, the death of Matthew Shepard, your attempt to be
> : humorous is sickening. Gay-bashing, actual and implied, must stop.
>
> I totally agree, Chuck. This country was founded upon the principles of
> Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. If a minority segment of our
> population derives happiness from choosing to be homosexual, and leading a
> gay lifestyle, so be it.
What is your position on those who enjoy sex with animals, or consenting
minors?
TraceyLevin,,
>
> >ChuckR (chuc...@hotmail.com) wrote:
> >: On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:58:57 -0500, "TraceyLevin,,"
> >: <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
> >
> >: >Why do we need a national coming out week?
> >: >
> >: > Are more homosexual Democrats coming out of the closet?
> >: >
> >: > I thought they were already "outted" and calling Braney Franks
> >: >office!
> >
> >: Your insensitivity is astonishing. In light of the suffering and, as
> >: of this morning, the death of Matthew Shepard, your attempt to be
> >: humorous is sickening. Gay-bashing, actual and implied, must stop.
> >
> >I totally agree, Chuck. This country was founded upon the principles of
> >Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. If a minority segment of our
> >population derives happiness from choosing to be homosexual, and leading a
> >gay lifestyle, so be it.
>
> not a matter of choice. Just the same, life, liberty, and happiness
> are freedoms granted to all. People like Levin would like to see that
> changed. People like Levin end up killing people like Matthew
> Shepard. And enjoying it. These people are known as sociopaths.
>
> Chuck
Chuck, sodomy is illegal in many states, and rightly so.
You are proving how wacko the left is when you make the statement that
"people like Levin end up killing people like Matthew Shepard".
That is one of the most foolish statements I have ever seen a liberal
make.
Lyn Pierce
<eisn...@idt.net> wrote:
>
>IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THAT SHAKESPEARE WAS RIGHT WHEN HE PENNED "METHINKS HE
>PROTESTS TOO MUCH!"
Methinks the gentleman should actually read HAMLET before trying
(unsuccessfully) to quote it.
Cheers,
-- Lyn
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Lyn Pierce
Actually, it is the Queen who speaks. She is referring to a character
in a play.
HAMLET: How like you the play, madam? (or something to that effect)
GERTRUDE: The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
My point stands.
Albert Nurick
>Chuck, sodomy is illegal in many states, and rightly so.
Have you ever given or received oral sex? By most states' definitions,
you've committed sodomy.
>You are proving how wacko the left is when you make the statement that
>"people like Levin end up killing people like Matthew Shepard".
>That is one of the most foolish statements I have ever seen a liberal
>make.
Unfortunately, it's an accurate one. Fools like you who spew words of
hatred are exactly the type who try to harm people just because they are
different.
Christian indeed. You're a joke and a disgrace.
--
Albert Nurick
alb...@data.net - ICQ #4403737
Albert Nurick
>What is your position on those who enjoy sex with animals, or consenting
>minors?
I would assume that a lawyer would know that a minor cannot consent to
having sex.
Sex with animals and minors is illegal, and should be prosecuted. Sex
between two consenting adults is none of my business, nor is it yours.
Ken Childress
Andrew Hall <ahall-...@world.std.com> wrote:
>>>>>> TraceyLevin,, writes:
[...]
>Animals and minors cannot consent.
Except with abortion, right?
>Pretty simple really, for those that
>value freedom.
That's what I thought.
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"You can accomplish things you've never dreamed possible. But, you must
first change your beliefs for them to become a reality."
Robert L. Coyle Jr.
: Robert L. Coyle Jr. wrote:
: >
: > ChuckR (chuc...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: > : On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:58:57 -0500, "TraceyLevin,,"
: > : <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
: >
: > : >Why do we need a national coming out week?
: > : >
: > : > Are more homosexual Democrats coming out of the closet?
: > : >
: > : > I thought they were already "outted" and calling Braney Franks
: > : >office!
: >
: > : Your insensitivity is astonishing. In light of the suffering and, as
: > : of this morning, the death of Matthew Shepard, your attempt to be
: > : humorous is sickening. Gay-bashing, actual and implied, must stop.
: >
: > I totally agree, Chuck. This country was founded upon the principles of
: > Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. If a minority segment of our
: > population derives happiness from choosing to be homosexual, and leading a
: > gay lifestyle, so be it.
: What is your position on those who enjoy sex with animals, or consenting
: minors?
If two consenting adults choose to be gay and convert to a homosexual
lifestyle, I don't see a problem. I never mentioned anything about animals
or children, David.
Robert L. Coyle Jr.
: In article <eisner19-121...@ip193.pm3-1.eli.du.nwlink.com>,
: <eisn...@idt.net> wrote:
: >
: >IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THAT SHAKESPEARE WAS RIGHT WHEN HE PENNED "METHINKS HE
: >PROTESTS TOO MUCH!"
: Methinks the gentleman should actually read HAMLET before trying
: (unsuccessfully) to quote it.
The problem, Lyn, is that Tracey Levin has been remored to be David
Abrams. If this is true, Tracey/David is a transgenger, and therefore
confused about his/her own sexuality. Several noted psychologists have
commented that anger and denial are two emotions that are evoked by
someone who wishes to pursue an alternate lifestyle.
Dusty Rhodes
> What is your position on those who enjoy sex with animals, or consenting
> minors?
Don't know persoanlly, but I would think doggy style would be the choice
on animals. Why? Have you had problems with the positions you've been
using?
Cheers,
Dusty
Lyn Pierce
Robert L. Coyle Jr. <rco...@Bayou.UH.EDU> wrote:
>Lyn Pierce (tum...@cs.utexas.edu) wrote:
>: Methinks the gentleman should actually read HAMLET before trying
>: (unsuccessfully) to quote it.
>The problem, Lyn, is that Tracey Levin has been remored to be David
>Abrams. If this is true, Tracey/David is a transgenger, and therefore
>confused about his/her own sexuality.
I wasn't defending Tracey. I was defending Shakespeare. ;-)
Cheers,
Ed Biggs
>
snippage, snippage, snippage.....
statement that
> "people like Levin end up killing people like Matthew Shepard".
If the shoe fits, wear it Tracey...... Lummox!
Ed
More later..... :)
TraceyLevin,,
> >What is your position on those who enjoy sex with animals, or consenting
> >minors?
>
> Like incest, these behaviors you have listed are abhorrent to me.
>
> What's your position on those who enjoy torturing gays and lesbians?
> What is your opinion of the Rev. Phelps, of Kansas, who pickets the
> funerals of gay AIDS victims with large signs saying they got what
> they deserved? ABC news is reporting the Rev. and his group are
> heading for Casper Wyoming on Friday to picket the funeral of Matthew
> Shepard. Do you feel it is right and proper for Rev. Phelps to
> confront the Shepard family with his "good news" of the Bible? Do you
> think he wins converts to the Kingdom of Heaven by these actions?
>
> -Chuck
Incest, homosexulity, pedophilia, rape, adultery, and fornication are
all immoral and sinful.
Why are you selecting an oddity to like Rev. Phelps?
Why don't you ask me what my position is on 99% of the Baptist minsiters
who often outline the dangeres of sexual immorality?
TraceyLevin,,
> Animals and minors cannot consent.
>
> Pretty simple really, for those that
> value freedom.
BTW Anderw, what about unborn babies who face death at the hand of an
abortionist? Can they "consent"?
TraceyLevin,,
> Animals and minors cannot consent.
>
> Pretty simple really, for those that
> value freedom.
Is everything "okay" so long as both parties "consent"?
Does that apply to homosexuality, prostitution, drug use, drug sales,
etc?
Dusty Rhodes
>
> Andrew Hall wrote:
>
> > Animals and minors cannot consent.
> >
> > Pretty simple really, for those that
> > value freedom.
>
> abortionist? Can they "consent"?
Hey, idiot, you were the one who brought up animals and kids. What the
hell does abortion have to do with the point you originally brought up?
Cheers,
Dusty
Dusty Rhodes
>
> Andrew Hall wrote:
>
> > Animals and minors cannot consent.
> >
> > Pretty simple really, for those that
> > value freedom.
>
> Does that apply to homosexuality, prostitution, drug use, drug sales,
> etc?
Absolutely. And como no? Just because it beyond your limited ken does
not mean it is not OK.
Crimes require victims, not willing participants.
Cheers,
Dusty
TraceyLevin,,
Oh please, Prince Albert.
Do try harder next time!
TraceyLevin,,
> Sex with animals and minors is illegal, and should be prosecuted. Sex
> between two consenting adults is none of my business, nor is it yours.
Ill continue to support laws which make illegal- acts of prostitution,
sodomy, incest, etc.
Dusty Rhodes
How do you feel about laws against impersonating an attorney?
Cheers,
Dusty
TraceyLevin,,
> : What is your position on those who enjoy sex with animals, or consenting
> : minors?
>
> If two consenting adults choose to be gay and convert to a homosexual
> lifestyle, I don't see a problem. I never mentioned anything about animals
> or children, David.
HEHE! Im glad to see that you believe they made a choice to be queer!
This is an important milestone!
TraceyLevin,,
>
> : In article <eisner19-121...@ip193.pm3-1.eli.du.nwlink.com>,
> : <eisn...@idt.net> wrote:
> : >
> : >IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THAT SHAKESPEARE WAS RIGHT WHEN HE PENNED "METHINKS HE
> : >PROTESTS TOO MUCH!"
>
> : (unsuccessfully) to quote it.
>
> The problem, Lyn, is that Tracey Levin has been remored to be David
> Abrams. If this is true, Tracey/David is a transgenger, and therefore
> commented that anger and denial are two emotions that are evoked by
> someone who wishes to pursue an alternate lifestyle.
Is that why Hillary looks mad all the time?
ChuckR
<trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>Robert L. Coyle Jr. wrote:
>>
>> ChuckR (chuc...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>> : On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:58:57 -0500, "TraceyLevin,,"
>> : <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> : >Why do we need a national coming out week?
>> : >
>> : > Are more homosexual Democrats coming out of the closet?
>> : >
>> : > I thought they were already "outted" and calling Braney Franks
>> : >office!
>>
>> : Your insensitivity is astonishing. In light of the suffering and, as
>> : of this morning, the death of Matthew Shepard, your attempt to be
>> : humorous is sickening. Gay-bashing, actual and implied, must stop.
>>
>> I totally agree, Chuck. This country was founded upon the principles of
>> Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. If a minority segment of our
>> population derives happiness from choosing to be homosexual, and leading a
>> gay lifestyle, so be it.
>
>What is your position on those who enjoy sex with animals, or consenting
>minors?
Like incest, these behaviors you have listed are abhorrent to me.
ChuckR
<trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>ChuckR wrote:
>>
>> On 13 Oct 1998 09:52:26 GMT, rco...@Bayou.UH.EDU (Robert L. Coyle Jr.)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >ChuckR (chuc...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>> >: On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:58:57 -0500, "TraceyLevin,,"
>> >: <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >: >Why do we need a national coming out week?
>> >: >
>> >: > Are more homosexual Democrats coming out of the closet?
>> >: >
>> >: > I thought they were already "outted" and calling Braney Franks
>> >: >office!
>> >
>> >: Your insensitivity is astonishing. In light of the suffering and, as
>> >: of this morning, the death of Matthew Shepard, your attempt to be
>> >: humorous is sickening. Gay-bashing, actual and implied, must stop.
>> >
>> >I totally agree, Chuck. This country was founded upon the principles of
>> >Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. If a minority segment of our
>> >population derives happiness from choosing to be homosexual, and leading a
>> >gay lifestyle, so be it.
>>
>> So far as I can tell among my friends and in my own experience, it's
>> not a matter of choice. Just the same, life, liberty, and happiness
>> are freedoms granted to all. People like Levin would like to see that
>> changed. People like Levin end up killing people like Matthew
>> Shepard. And enjoying it. These people are known as sociopaths.
>>
>> Chuck
>
>Chuck, sodomy is illegal in many states, and rightly so.
>You are proving how wacko the left is when you make the statement that
>"people like Levin end up killing people like Matthew Shepard".
>That is one of the most foolish statements I have ever seen a liberal
>make.
If the shoe fits. Or maybe baseball bat would be more appropriate
here. People like Levin, with their inflamed rhetoric, end up bombing
family planning clinics because it's God's will. People like Levin
lynched African-Americans in the Fifties because it was God's will
(remember the Klan is built around Christian principals). People like
Levin end up bashing and killing gay men in the Nineties because it's
God's will. They will forever stand in the doorway of change, like
George Wallace at the University of Alabama. They cling feverishly to
a strict, literal, dogmatic interpretation of the Bible. And they
think that if they lose that, then everything falls apart. They fear
change. They must be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the future.
-Chuck
Clayton Colwell
: Travidiot farted:
: > What is your position on those who enjoy sex with animals, or consenting
: > minors?
: Don't know persoanlly, but I would think doggy style would be the choice
: on animals. Why? Have you had problems with the positions you've been
: using?
His hand is getting tired.
****** Clay Colwell (aka StealthSmurf) ********** er...@bga.com ******
* "In the future, we will recognize software crashes as technologically *
* mandated ergonomic rest breaks - and we will pay extra for them." *
* -- Crazy Uncle Joe Hannibal *
ChuckR
<trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>ChuckR wrote:
>
>> >What is your position on those who enjoy sex with animals, or consenting
>> >minors?
>>
>> Like incest, these behaviors you have listed are abhorrent to me.
>>
>> What's your position on those who enjoy torturing gays and lesbians?
>> What is your opinion of the Rev. Phelps, of Kansas, who pickets the
>> funerals of gay AIDS victims with large signs saying they got what
>> they deserved? ABC news is reporting the Rev. and his group are
>> heading for Casper Wyoming on Friday to picket the funeral of Matthew
>> Shepard. Do you feel it is right and proper for Rev. Phelps to
>> confront the Shepard family with his "good news" of the Bible? Do you
>> think he wins converts to the Kingdom of Heaven by these actions?
>>
>> -Chuck
>
>Incest, homosexulity, pedophilia, rape, adultery, and fornication are
>all immoral and sinful.
>
>Why are you selecting an oddity to like Rev. Phelps?
>Why don't you ask me what my position is on 99% of the Baptist minsiters
>who often outline the dangeres of sexual immorality?
I believe Rev. Phelps is more representative of the majority of
Southern Baptist ministers than you are willing to admit. They may
not carry the signs or picket the funerals, but their attitude is very
much the same.
Chuck
ChuckR
<trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>ChuckR wrote:
>
>> >What is your position on those who enjoy sex with animals, or consenting
>> >minors?
>>
>> Like incest, these behaviors you have listed are abhorrent to me.
>>
>> What's your position on those who enjoy torturing gays and lesbians?
>> What is your opinion of the Rev. Phelps, of Kansas, who pickets the
>> funerals of gay AIDS victims with large signs saying they got what
>> they deserved? ABC news is reporting the Rev. and his group are
>> heading for Casper Wyoming on Friday to picket the funeral of Matthew
>> Shepard. Do you feel it is right and proper for Rev. Phelps to
>> confront the Shepard family with his "good news" of the Bible? Do you
>> think he wins converts to the Kingdom of Heaven by these actions?
>>
>> -Chuck
>
>Incest, homosexulity, pedophilia, rape, adultery, and fornication are
>all immoral and sinful.
>
>Why are you selecting an oddity to like Rev. Phelps?
>Why don't you ask me what my position is on 99% of the Baptist minsiters
>who often outline the dangeres of sexual immorality?
I take it that by fornication you mean sex before marriage. Are you
aware that the lineage of Jesus runs through two prostitutes?
Chuck
TraceyLevin,,
HA HA HA! This should be great fun! PROVE IT, Chuck.
BD
TraceyLevin,, wrote in message <36243E...@swbell.net>...
Robert L. Coyle Jr.
: In article <7008ii$vkm$4...@Masala.CC.UH.EDU>,
: >: Methinks the gentleman should actually read HAMLET before trying
: >: (unsuccessfully) to quote it.
: >The problem, Lyn, is that Tracey Levin has been remored to be David
: >Abrams. If this is true, Tracey/David is a transgenger, and therefore
: >confused about his/her own sexuality.
: I wasn't defending Tracey. I was defending Shakespeare. ;-)
Well, Shakespeare was certainly more articulate than Tracey.
Robert L. Coyle Jr.
: Albert Nurick wrote:
: > Sex with animals and minors is illegal, and should be prosecuted. Sex
: > between two consenting adults is none of my business, nor is it yours.
: Ill continue to support laws which make illegal- acts of prostitution,
: sodomy, incest, etc.
Prostitution is apparently not illegal in Houston, David.
ChuckR
<trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>ChuckR wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:43:39 -0500, "TraceyLevin,,"
>> <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >ChuckR wrote:
>> >
>> >> >What is your position on those who enjoy sex with animals, or consenting
>> >> >minors?
>> >>
>> >> Like incest, these behaviors you have listed are abhorrent to me.
>> >>
>> >> What's your position on those who enjoy torturing gays and lesbians?
>> >> What is your opinion of the Rev. Phelps, of Kansas, who pickets the
>> >> funerals of gay AIDS victims with large signs saying they got what
>> >> they deserved? ABC news is reporting the Rev. and his group are
>> >> heading for Casper Wyoming on Friday to picket the funeral of Matthew
>> >> Shepard. Do you feel it is right and proper for Rev. Phelps to
>> >> confront the Shepard family with his "good news" of the Bible? Do you
>> >> think he wins converts to the Kingdom of Heaven by these actions?
>> >>
>> >> -Chuck
>> >
>> >Incest, homosexulity, pedophilia, rape, adultery, and fornication are
>> >all immoral and sinful.
>> >
>> >Why are you selecting an oddity to like Rev. Phelps?
>> >Why don't you ask me what my position is on 99% of the Baptist minsiters
>> >who often outline the dangeres of sexual immorality?
>>
>> I take it that by fornication you mean sex before marriage. Are you
>> aware that the lineage of Jesus runs through two prostitutes?
>>
>> Chuck
>
>HA HA HA! This should be great fun! PROVE IT, Chuck.
Let's start with Rahab, the hooker. Look her up and get back to me
about what you have found. Sorry to shock you into reality.
-Chuck
Albert Nurick
>>
>> you've committed sodomy.
>
>Do try harder next time!
It was a direct question, "Tracey". One you can answer "yes" or "no".
Have you ever given or received oral sex?
--
stephen_wh...@my-dejanews.com
wrote:
>
>It was a direct question, "Tracey". One you can answer "yes" or "no".
>
>Have you ever given or received oral sex?
>
>--
>Albert Nurick
>alb...@data.net - ICQ #4403737
Albert, it is irrelevant whether s/h/it answers, or what that answer
is. You know that Travid can't be trusted to tell the truth about
his/her name, much less anything more complicated.
Olin Murrell
stephen_wh...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<90AFB4BBD2DFD5CA.474CEC8C...@library-proxy.airn
ews.net>...
In any event, Travid won't answer a direct question. I have long since
lost count of the number of direct questions Travid has been asked,
and re-asked. I guess, though, I'll have to leave the little troll
alone, since I hurt it's widdle feelings with just such a direct
rebuttal to one of it's "points."
Awwwwwwwwwww.
Albert Nurick
<90AFB4BBD2DFD5CA.474CEC8C...@library-proxy.airnews.net>...
>On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:48:47 -0500, "Albert Nurick" <alb...@data.net>
>wrote:
>>It was a direct question, "Tracey". One you can answer "yes" or "no".
>>
>>Have you ever given or received oral sex?
>
>is. You know that Travid can't be trusted to tell the truth about
>his/her name, much less anything more complicated.
You're right, of course. It's just so darn *easy* to demonstrate that
"Tracey" is an idiot, over and over again.
S/he is like one of those rubber dolls you squeeze and make the eyes,
ears and nose pop out... it's pretty silly, but you just keep doing it,
again and again.
haw...@tcac.net
you do, then do it in the closet where we can not say anything about it.
If you bring it out, you invite people to express thier God given and
constitutional right to say what they want about queers (queer is not a
hateful word, think of the organization Queer Nation in S.F.).
Albert Nurick
>God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve!
If there's anything more annoying than a truism, it's an incorrect one.
Doesn't the Bible you read say that we are all God's children?
>If YOU people want to do what
>you do, then do it in the closet where we can not say anything about it.
IMO, everyone should practice their sexuality in private. Personally, I
find public displays of heterosexual affection to be less annoying than
displays of homosexual affection, but I don't believe I've got a right
not to be annoyed, so my personal preference shouldn't force the actions
of others.
>If you bring it out, you invite people to express thier God given and
>constitutional right to say what they want about queers (queer is not a
>hateful word, think of the organization Queer Nation in S.F.).
Derogatory terms such as "queer", "kike", and others have a very different
connotation when being spoken by a member of the group to which it has been
applied. Outsiders who use such terms simply reveal their own insecurities.
Clayton Colwell
: God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve!
My, how original. <raised eyebrow>
You might want to check your Bible. You'd find that God made
Adam and Eve *and* Steve and Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice
and everyone else, according to it.
: If YOU people want to do what
: you do, then do it in the closet where we can not say anything about it.
Ah, such bullshit. Even if it *were* outside visual ken, you'd
still froth about it (except the rhetoric would be about maggots
writhing in the dark instead of animals exhibiting their sin
in broad daylight).
: If you bring it out, you invite people to express thier God given and
: constitutional right to say what they want about queers (queer is not a
: hateful word, think of the organization Queer Nation in S.F.).
And I'll be there to tell you you're full of it. Sweet, no?
Lyn Pierce
Clayton Colwell <er...@bga.com> wrote:
>haw...@tcac.net wrote:
>
>: If YOU people want to do what
>: you do, then do it in the closet where we can not say anything about it.
>Ah, such bullshit. Even if it *were* outside visual ken, you'd
>still froth about it (except the rhetoric would be about maggots
>writhing in the dark instead of animals exhibiting their sin
>in broad daylight).
Added to which, I suspect someone would chime in with "They KNOW it's
wrong. If they didn't, why would they hide it?"
And so it goes. :(
-- Lyn
--
==============================================================================
Lyn Pierce Empathy is the key to persuasion. Know your
tum...@cs.utexas.edu adversary's mind before you try to change it.
www.cs.utexas.edu/users/tumlin
Robert L. Coyle Jr.
: God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve! If YOU people want to do what
: you do, then do it in the closet where we can not say anything about it.
: constitutional right to say what they want about queers (queer is not a
: hateful word, think of the organization Queer Nation in S.F.).
Once again, if people choose to be homosexuals, so what. It is they who
are living with the consequences of their choice, not you.
BD
closeted! Of course, people have the right to do what they want, but also
try to be a little considerate of others, why doncha?
Robert L. Coyle Jr. wrote in message >
TraceyLevin-
http://www.webforums.com/forums/p-read/msa20.12.html言8A?first=Continue+%3E%3E
Clayton Colwell
: Yeah right.. I'll be the one with the taste of puke in my mouth...
Pepto-Bismol and mouthwash should clear that right up.
Ya know, het sex doesn't do it for me, but you don't hear *me*
railing about how *horrible* and *disgusting* it must be.
This is like Hobbes' Calvin at his most obnoxious. Quite
a childish reaction, it is.
: Keep it
: closeted! Of course, people have the right to do what they want, but also
: try to be a little considerate of others, why doncha?
Translation: "Disappear, faggots!"
If you're wondering about *consideration*, then why do straight
people get to hold hands in public? Kiss in public? Talk
about their *spouses* (<<shudder!>>) in public?
IOW, grow up. I couldn't care less about what types of
sexual practices turn you off.
Albert Nurick
>Yeah right.. I'll be the one with the taste of puke in my mouth... Keep it
>closeted! Of course, people have the right to do what they want, but also
>try to be a little considerate of others, why doncha?
There are many, many things in our society that are offensive to different
people. If we were to prohibit all of them, we would have no freedoms left.
Many liberals tend to overlook this (many conservatives too, for that matter),
but there is no Right Not to be Offended in the constitution, and for very
good reason.
Deal with it.
Olin Murrell
Albert Nurick wrote in message ...
>BD wrote in message ...
>>Yeah right.. I'll be the one with the taste of puke in my mouth...
Keep it
>>closeted! Of course, people have the right to do what they want, but
also
>>try to be a little considerate of others, why doncha?
>
>
>There are many, many things in our society that are offensive to
different
>people. If we were to prohibit all of them, we would have no
freedoms left.
>
>Many liberals tend to overlook this (many conservatives too, for that
matter),
>but there is no Right Not to be Offended in the constitution, and for
very
>good reason.
>
Yes! Yes! Yes! Say it loud. Say it proud. Free speech means free
speech, ESPECIALLY that free speech with which you vehemently
disagree.
And, for the truly clueless (you know who you are), disagreement does
NOT translate into a trampling of somebody's "free speech."
>Deal with it.
>
The old saw says, there are two things man should not watch being
made... sausage and law. A free society is often not very pretty, but
I'll take it over ANYBODY's lock-step "safe" haven any day of the
week!
Adam Weiss
> Derogatory terms such as "queer", "kike", and others have a very different
> connotation when being spoken by a member of the group to which it has been
> applied. Outsiders who use such terms simply reveal their own insecurities.
I've long found that to be a little strange -- starting in college when
I heard my roommate (who was black), call a friend a "nigger", and
thinking about what would happen if I, being white, called the same
person a "nigger".
--
Adam Weiss
aw...@pdq.net
--
"Give me immortality, or give me death."
--
Robert L. Coyle Jr.
: Or the guy at work who refers to us all as niggers.. He's black, of course,
: and uses the word to mean anyone who's forced to work for someone else (you
: can choose who you work for, but you, generally, have to work for
: SOMEONE)...
: If one of his homeboys gets upset at being called such, it's perfectly ok..
: but what about when I get upset?... The reasoning, "of course" is because I
: "don't want to be classified as a negro" (the meaning changes, depending on
: how THEY want to use it) instead of being reminded that I, too, have little
: choice in this world....
: Adam Weiss wrote in message <36282C...@pdq.net>...
: >
: >I've long found that to be a little strange -- starting in college when
: >I heard my roommate (who was black), call a friend a "nigger", and
: >thinking about what would happen if I, being white, called the same
: >person a "nigger".
That's a typically PC double-standard. Of course, there's no denying that
Councilman Jew Don Boner is a nigger. He demonstrates this every week.
chud...@ix.netcom.com
Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, and Norma Holloway Johnson.
Most of the other afro-AMERICANS are simply blacks - not NIGGERS.
Jeffrey E, Salzberg
chud...@ix.netcom.com says....
> NIGGERS are "Uncle Toms" such as Armstrong Williams, Alan Keyes,
> Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, and Norma Holloway Johnson.
>
> Most of the other afro-AMERICANS are simply blacks - not NIGGERS.
Whoops. . .gotta disagree with you on this one, Chuck;
racial (or other ethnic) slurs are never appropriate.
Intelligent people of good will should be allowed to
disagree without threat of approbation. . .and it's
certainly not the right of any white person to
arbitrarily decide what is appropriate "black" behavior
(and vice versa, of course).
--
Jeff Salzberg
If G-d had intended for people to vote, He'd have given
us hands.
Real (ha! is *anything* real?) Email Address: replace
"killspam" with "salzberg"
Bubba
>In article <36287F...@ix.netcom.com>,
>chud...@ix.netcom.com says....
>> NIGGERS are "Uncle Toms" such as Armstrong Williams, Alan Keyes,
>> Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, and Norma Holloway Johnson.
Uncle Tom is a derogatory term used by negroes in reference to other
negroes that act as Americans instead of "African-Americans". Someone
that doesn't support bad behavior in any race, especially their own.
Colin Powell would be called an "Uncle Tom" because he has learned
to speak the English language correctly.
A homosexual person that doesn't support the agenda of the
"Gay and Lesbian" groups might be called a "gay Uncle Tom".
>> Most of the other afro-AMERICANS are simply blacks - not NIGGERS.
>
>Whoops. . .gotta disagree with you on this one, Chuck;
>racial (or other ethnic) slurs are never appropriate.
>Intelligent people of good will should be allowed to
>disagree without threat of approbation. . .and it's
>certainly not the right of any white person to
>arbitrarily decide what is appropriate "black" behavior
>(and vice versa, of course).
>--
> Jeff Salzberg
It is the right of anyone to decide that "bad" behavior is
unacceptable and inappropriate, regardless of the ethnic
background of the other person. Just because someone is
negroid, caucasoid or mongoloid does not give them special
considerations in regards to their behavior.
Bubba
TraceyLevin-
> A homosexual person that doesn't support the agenda of the
> "Gay and Lesbian" groups might be called a "gay Uncle Tom".
HEHE! That would be hard to find these days!
I would say that all of the homosexuals I know of are proud supporters
of any legislation that will further their cause.
What is their cause? To have the homosexual lifestyle/gay and lesbian
sexuality accepted both legally and socially as perfectly normal and on
par with that of heterosexuality.
It will never happen.
TraceyLevin-
>
> Then I should be able to butcher live animals on my front porch, sh*t in
> the street, dump my rotting garbage in MY backyard, etc?
> "free speech" should have SOME limits... Like "yelling fire in a crowded
> theater".... Guys kissing guys is exactly the same repulsive thing. Probably
> dangerous, too.. I might crash my car or something while throwing up.
>
> Albert Nurick wrote in message ...
> >
> >people. If we were to prohibit all of them, we would have no freedoms
> left.
> >
> >Many liberals tend to overlook this (many conservatives too, for that
> matter),
> >but there is no Right Not to be Offended in the constitution, and for very
> >good reason.
BD, I dont understand what he is saying since he has a double negative
in his sentence "no Right Not to be".
C. Herrick
>
> NIGGERS are "Uncle Toms" such as Armstrong Williams, Alan Keyes,
> Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, and Norma Holloway Johnson.
Gee, you mean those who work hard, succeed
without demanding a handout, make personal
responsibility and accountablility a corner stone
of their personal lives, and reflect good, traditional
American family values?
As opposed to those who leave a trail of support
for the shiftless, such as OJ, Bill Clinton
and the Praries View A&M band, who can't
imagine doing without Affirmative Action,
and want to blame the culture for everything
they want and can't find someone to give them?
Hmmm. Sounds like a term or respect to me.
>
> Most of the other afro-AMERICANS are simply blacks - not NIGGERS.
>
> BD wrote:
> >
> > Or the guy at work who refers to us all as niggers.. He's black, of course,
> > and uses the word to mean anyone who's forced to work for someone else (you
> > can choose who you work for, but you, generally, have to work for
> > SOMEONE)...
> > If one of his homeboys gets upset at being called such, it's perfectly ok..
> > but what about when I get upset?... The reasoning, "of course" is because I
> > "don't want to be classified as a negro" (the meaning changes, depending on
> > how THEY want to use it) instead of being reminded that I, too, have little
> > choice in this world....
> >
> > Adam Weiss wrote in message <36282C...@pdq.net>...
> > >
> > >I've long found that to be a little strange -- starting in college when
> > >I heard my roommate (who was black), call a friend a "nigger", and
> > >thinking about what would happen if I, being white, called the same
> > >person a "nigger".
--
I speak only for myself. Nothing I say should be
construed as representing any company or any other person.
copyright (c) 1998 Charles N. Herrick, Jr.
mailto:charles...@cyberdigm.com
C. Herrick
>
> On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:38:30 -0400 kill...@flash.net (Jeffrey E, Salzberg) wrote:
> >In article <36287F...@ix.netcom.com>,
> >chud...@ix.netcom.com says....
> >> Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, and Norma Holloway Johnson.
>
> negroes that act as Americans instead of "African-Americans". Someone
> that doesn't support bad behavior in any race, especially their own.
> Colin Powell would be called an "Uncle Tom" because he has learned
> to speak the English language correctly.
> "Gay and Lesbian" groups might be called a "gay Uncle Tom".
Better, call 'em a Roy Cohn.
>
> >> Most of the other afro-AMERICANS are simply blacks - not NIGGERS.
> >
> >Whoops. . .gotta disagree with you on this one, Chuck;
> >racial (or other ethnic) slurs are never appropriate.
> >Intelligent people of good will should be allowed to
> >disagree without threat of approbation. . .and it's
> >certainly not the right of any white person to
> >arbitrarily decide what is appropriate "black" behavior
> >(and vice versa, of course).
> >--
> > Jeff Salzberg
>
> It is the right of anyone to decide that "bad" behavior is
> unacceptable and inappropriate, regardless of the ethnic
> background of the other person. Just because someone is
> negroid, caucasoid or mongoloid does not give them special
> considerations in regards to their behavior.
>
> Bubba
--
Little Lulu
says...
>
>Bubba wrote:
>
>> A homosexual person that doesn't support the agenda of the
>> "Gay and Lesbian" groups might be called a "gay Uncle Tom".
>
>I would say that all of the homosexuals I know of are proud supporters
>of any legislation that will further their cause.
>
>What is their cause? To have the homosexual lifestyle/gay and lesbian
>sexuality accepted both legally and socially as perfectly normal and on
>par with that of heterosexuality.
>It will never happen.
Equality is always a probelm for bigots. Too bad for you the US
Cconstitition promises equal protection under the law.
chud...@ix.netcom.com
>
> chud...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> >
> > NIGGERS are "Uncle Toms" such as Armstrong Williams, Alan Keyes,
> > Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, and Norma Holloway Johnson.
>
> without demanding a handout, make personal
> responsibility and accountablility a corner stone
> of their personal lives, and reflect good, traditional
> American family values?
>
> As opposed to those who leave a trail of support
> for the shiftless, such as OJ, Bill Clinton
> and the Praries View A&M band, who can't
> imagine doing without Affirmative Action,
> and want to blame the culture for everything
> they want and can't find someone to give them?
>
> Hmmm. Sounds like a term or respect to me.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Or the guy at work who refers to us all as niggers.. He's black, of course,
> > > and uses the word to mean anyone who's forced to work for someone else (you
> > > can choose who you work for, but you, generally, have to work for
> > > SOMEONE)...
> > > If one of his homeboys gets upset at being called such, it's perfectly ok..
> > > but what about when I get upset?... The reasoning, "of course" is because I
> > > "don't want to be classified as a negro" (the meaning changes, depending on
> > > how THEY want to use it) instead of being reminded that I, too, have little
> > > choice in this world....
> > >
> > > Adam Weiss wrote in message <36282C...@pdq.net>...
> > > >
> > > >I've long found that to be a little strange -- starting in college when
> > > >I heard my roommate (who was black), call a friend a "nigger", and
> > > >thinking about what would happen if I, being white, called the same
> > > >person a "nigger".
NIGGERS Armstrong Williams and Alan Keyes never worked a day
in their lives.
Unless you want to call dealing dope "work".
Tracey Levin
I dont see any elimination of homosexuals from that wonderful document;
but I do see lots of homosexuals asking "minority status" when they were
not born minorities.
Many liberals think that everyone except Conservative, white, males
should be given greater rights or preferences because those white males
are born with a natural advantage according to leftist wackos.
Tracey Levin
>
> Bubba wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:38:30 -0400 kill...@flash.net (Jeffrey E, Salzberg) wrote:
> > >In article <36287F...@ix.netcom.com>,
> > >chud...@ix.netcom.com says....
> > >> Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, and Norma Holloway Johnson.
> >
> > negroes that act as Americans instead of "African-Americans". Someone
> > that doesn't support bad behavior in any race, especially their own.
> > Colin Powell would be called an "Uncle Tom" because he has learned
> > to speak the English language correctly.
> > "Gay and Lesbian" groups might be called a "gay Uncle Tom".
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >racial (or other ethnic) slurs are never appropriate.
> > >Intelligent people of good will should be allowed to
> > >disagree without threat of approbation. . .and it's
> > >certainly not the right of any white person to
> > >arbitrarily decide what is appropriate "black" behavior
> > >(and vice versa, of course).
> > >--
> > > Jeff Salzberg
> >
> > It is the right of anyone to decide that "bad" behavior is
> > unacceptable and inappropriate, regardless of the ethnic
> > background of the other person. Just because someone is
> > negroid, caucasoid or mongoloid does not give them special
> > considerations in regards to their behavior.
> >
> > Bubba
>
> --
> construed as representing any company or any other person.
> copyright (c) 1998 Charles N. Herrick, Jr.
> mailto:charles...@cyberdigm.com
Its good to see you again!
Tracey Levin
> > Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, and Norma Holloway Johnson.
>
> without demanding a handout, make personal
> responsibility and accountablility a corner stone
> of their personal lives, and reflect good, traditional
> American family values?
>
> As opposed to those who leave a trail of support
> for the shiftless, such as OJ, Bill Clinton
> and the Praries View A&M band, who can't
> imagine doing without Affirmative Action,
> and want to blame the culture for everything
> they want and can't find someone to give them?
>
> Hmmm. Sounds like a term or respect to me.
BOMBS AWAY!!!!
Tracey Levin
>
> NIGGERS Armstrong Williams and Alan Keyes never worked a day
> in their lives.
>
> Unless you want to call dealing dope "work".
I dont know about that really, but what do you think about leftist,
would-be civil rights leaders like Jesse Jackson who go from church to
church preaching socialism and anti-white rhetoric while holding out
their hands for "donations".
"Welfare Pimps" fits them perfectly.
ChuckR
wrote:
And what of corporate welfare pimps, Levin? Like Archer Daniels
Midland and Phillip Morris?
--Chuck
TraceyLevin-
Yes! Just like Planned Parenthood!
ChuckR
wrote:
How much federal funding was granted to PP in the 97 fiscal year?
Please dig up those figures and we'll compare them to the figures
available on corporate welfare granted by this congress.
--Chuck
Joe26
>NIGGERS are "Uncle Toms" such as Armstrong Williams, Alan Keyes,
>Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, and Norma Holloway Johnson.
>
> Most of the other afro-AMERICANS are simply blacks - not NIGGERS.
Your opinion is noted. African-Americans are not free to vote.
Joe26
Democrat, that person will forever be a "nigger" according to many
liberals. Therefore, libs are not giving blacks the right to vote.
>Are "we" (whites) European-Americans?... Do we have to use that retarded
>label to be able to vote?
>
>Joe26 wrote in message
Jeffrey E, Salzberg
> If a black person votes for a Republican or any candidae other than a
> Democrat, that person will forever be a "nigger" according to many
> liberals.
Well, while we're stereotyping. . . .
If a black person votes for anyone -- or even breathes --that person will
forever be a "nigger" according to many conservatives.
--
-----
Jeff Salzberg
"If G-d hadn't intended for us to vote, he wouldn't have given us hands."
Robert L. Coyle Jr.
: In article <362b8dd2....@news.supernews.com>, jo...@usa.net says...
: > If a black person votes for a Republican or any candidae other than a
: > Democrat, that person will forever be a "nigger" according to many
: > liberals.
: Well, while we're stereotyping. . . .
: If a black person votes for anyone -- or even breathes --that person will
: forever be a "nigger" according to many conservatives.
And according to other black persons.
Jonathan Arehart
: Do you know _anyone_ who would _choose_ something that could get them
: kicked out of their parents' house, picked on, made fun of, evicted,
: fired, assaulted or killed? I don't. Except for bisexuals, it's NOT
: a choice.
Hmm... According to the bisexual people I know, it isn't a choice for
them either.
Jonathan Arehart
jare...@mail.utexas.edu
Joe26
Salzberg) wrote:
>In article <362b8dd2....@news.supernews.com>, jo...@usa.net says...
>> If a black person votes for a Republican or any candidae other than a
>> Democrat, that person will forever be a "nigger" according to many
>> liberals.
>
>Well, while we're stereotyping. . . .
>
>If a black person votes for anyone -- or even breathes --that person will
>forever be a "nigger" according to many conservatives.
I'm not stereotyping. I am basing my opinion on what I have observed.
In this NG liberals such as Jim Kennemur, gdy, and chudecek call any
conservative black a "nigger." Here is an example from this very
thread:
chud...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
"NIGGERS are "Uncle Toms" such as Armstrong Williams, Alan Keyes,
Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, and Norma Holloway Johnson."
If you need more examples I can put them together very quickly.
Now, please provide evidence to support your claim that many
conservatives refer to ANY black person as a "nigger."
TraceyLevin-
And, those at the North American Man Boy Love Association would surely
say the same thing.
gdy52150
>On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:57:20 -0400, kill...@flash.net (Jeffrey E,
>Salzberg) wrote:
>
>>In article <362b8dd2....@news.supernews.com>, jo...@usa.net says...
>>> If a black person votes for a Republican or any candidae other than a
>>> Democrat, that person will forever be a "nigger" according to many
>>> liberals.
>>
>>Well, while we're stereotyping. . . .
>>
>>If a black person votes for anyone -- or even breathes --that person will
>>forever be a "nigger" according to many conservatives.
>
>I'm not stereotyping. I am basing my opinion on what I have observed.
>In this NG liberals such as Jim Kennemur, gdy, and chudecek call any
>conservative black a "nigger." Here is an example from this very
>thread:
>
ok bozo, put up or shut up asshole. You better start looking for that
post of mine where I refered to a black as a nigger.
I've kicked your ass before and will gladly do it again.
> chud...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> "NIGGERS are "Uncle Toms" such as Armstrong Williams, Alan Keyes,
> Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, and Norma Holloway Johnson."
>
>If you need more examples I can put them together very quickly.
>
>Now, please provide evidence to support your claim that many
>conservatives refer to ANY black person as a "nigger."
====================================================
For those seeking Enlightenment
http://prairie.lakes.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
GDY Weasel
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TraceyLevin-
>
> On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:36:05 -0500, TraceyLevin- <trac...@swbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Bubba wrote:
> >
> >> A homosexual person that doesn't support the agenda of the
> >> "Gay and Lesbian" groups might be called a "gay Uncle Tom".
> >
> >I would say that all of the homosexuals I know of are proud supporters
> >of any legislation that will further their cause.
> >
> >What is their cause? To have the homosexual lifestyle/gay and lesbian
> >sexuality accepted both legally and socially as perfectly normal and on
> >par with that of heterosexuality.
> >It will never happen.
>
> Old times there are not forgotten,
> Look away, look away,
> Look away, Dixie land.
>
> Why not join the rest of us who have chosen to move into the new
> century and leave the old one behind?
>
> --Chuck
Didnt Sodom and Gomorah exist long ago?
BTW, Im glad to see that you agree these are the goals of homosexuals.
ChuckR
ChuckR
wrote:
And Republican Senator Bob Packwood of Oregon would say the same
thing.
--Chuck
Robert L. Coyle Jr.
: On 13 Oct 1998 19:05:01 GMT, Robert L. Coyle Jr. wrote:
: :: > I totally agree, Chuck. This country was founded upon the principles of
: :: > Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. If a minority segment of our
: :: > population derives happiness from choosing to be homosexual, and leading a
: :: > gay lifestyle, so be it.
: Do you know _anyone_ who would _choose_ something that could get them
: kicked out of their parents' house, picked on, made fun of, evicted,
: fired, assaulted or killed?
Why do people choose to rob banks or cheat on their taxes? Beats me.
But homosexuality IS a choice, make no mistake.
Robert L. Coyle Jr.
: On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:59:23 GMT, Larry Kessler <l...@wt.net> wrote:
: : kicked out of their parents' house, picked on, made fun of, evicted,
: : a choice.
: Hmm... According to the bisexual people I know, it isn't a choice for
: them either.
They may tell you that, but it is anything but the truth. I know of many
men who have chosen to lead a homosexual lifestyle, for various reasons,
late in life. Now, if they were "born that way," who didn't they start
this when they entered puberty?
As long as you spread misinformation about the gay community, I will
defend them for their choice.
TraceyLevin-
>
> Larry Kessler (l...@wt.net) wrote:
> : On 13 Oct 1998 19:05:01 GMT, Robert L. Coyle Jr. wrote:
>
> : :: > I totally agree, Chuck. This country was founded upon the principles of
> : :: > Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. If a minority segment of our
> : :: > population derives happiness from choosing to be homosexual, and leading a
> : :: > gay lifestyle, so be it.
>
> : kicked out of their parents' house, picked on, made fun of, evicted,
> : fired, assaulted or killed?
>
> But homosexuality IS a choice, make no mistake.
Sounds like he was describing the life of Vince Foster working for Uncle
Bill.
Jonathan Arehart
: > : kicked out of their parents' house, picked on, made fun of, evicted,
: > : a choice.
: >
: > Hmm... According to the bisexual people I know, it isn't a choice for
: > them either.
: And, those at the North American Man Boy Love Association would surely
: say the same thing.
Tracey/David/whatever, I didn't bring up NAMBLA, and don't want to get
into that discussion. Besides it wasn't part of the original discussion.
Trying to change the subject is not going to work.
Jonathan Arehart
jare...@mail.utexas.edu
Jonathan Arehart
: Jonathan Arehart (jare...@piglet.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:
: : On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:59:23 GMT, Larry Kessler <l...@wt.net> wrote:
: : : Do you know _anyone_ who would _choose_ something that could get them
: : : kicked out of their parents' house, picked on, made fun of, evicted,
: : : fired, assaulted or killed? I don't. Except for bisexuals, it's NOT
: : : a choice.
:
: : Hmm... According to the bisexual people I know, it isn't a choice for
: : them either.
:
: men who have chosen to lead a homosexual lifestyle, for various reasons,
: late in life. Now, if they were "born that way," who didn't they start
: this when they entered puberty?
Because the rest of the planet is so fucking hostile to them about not
being heterosexual. If being gay, lesbian, or bisexual was accepted,
they would have no reason to hide that fact for most of their life.
: As long as you spread misinformation about the gay community, I will
: defend them for their choice.
Look... I know for a fact that I'm not spreading misinformation.
I certainly didn't choose to be gay and have to constantly worry about
my physical safety because of who I love. I didn't choose to be gay
so that I could be denied equal civil right and equal protection under
the law. I didn't choose to be gay so that I would have to worry
about which family members I might or might not alienate. Very simply,
I didn't choose to be gay.
Jonathan Arehart
jare...@mail.utexas.edu
Eric
In article <362D68...@swbell.net>, trac...@swbell.net wrote:
-snipped for brevity-
Jeffrey E, Salzberg
> Why do people choose to rob banks or cheat on their taxes? Beats me.
> But homosexuality IS a choice, make no mistake.
Bobby, you can pose and posture and say, "make no mistake" till the cows
come home, but that doesn't change the fact that sexual orientation is
not a choice.
Assuming that you're straight, tell us about the decision-making process
you went through to get there.
Elwin Bullard II
>Jonathan Arehart (jare...@piglet.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:
>: On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:59:23 GMT, Larry Kessler <l...@wt.net> wrote:
>: : Do you know _anyone_ who would _choose_ something that could get them
>: : kicked out of their parents' house, picked on, made fun of, evicted,
>: : fired, assaulted or killed? I don't. Except for bisexuals, it's NOT
>: : a choice.
>
>: Hmm... According to the bisexual people I know, it isn't a choice for
>: them either.
>
Actually I know a lot of gays who made the "choice" to come out even
though it got them kicked out of their parents homes, picked on, ETC.
so you point would be?
>They may tell you that, but it is anything but the truth. I know of many
>men who have chosen to lead a homosexual lifestyle, for various reasons,
>late in life. Now, if they were "born that way," who didn't they start
>this when they entered puberty?
>
Actually a lot of us did. I came out of the closet in high school.
>As long as you spread misinformation about the gay community, I will
>defend them for their choice.
Humans are nothing more than animated mud
and are not nearly greateful enough for
the priveledge.
Elwin Bullard II
>Larry Kessler (l...@wt.net) wrote:
>: On 13 Oct 1998 19:05:01 GMT, Robert L. Coyle Jr. wrote:
>
>: :: > I totally agree, Chuck. This country was founded upon the principles of
>: :: > Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. If a minority segment of our
>: :: > population derives happiness from choosing to be homosexual, and leading a
>: :: > gay lifestyle, so be it.
>
>: Do you know _anyone_ who would _choose_ something that could get them
>: kicked out of their parents' house, picked on, made fun of, evicted,
>: fired, assaulted or killed?
>
>Why do people choose to rob banks or cheat on their taxes? Beats me.
>But homosexuality IS a choice, make no mistake.
Another idiot speaks though he knows nothing of the subject.
Only gay people can participate in a discussion about whether it was
nature or nurture. We are the only ones with the perspective
necessary to idscuss it.
Begone bigot.