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Suburbio

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The other day I took a bite of a chicken tender at Pappadeux and the
flavor brought back a childhood memory of Youngblood's chicken in the
medical center. I started thinking about the places my family ate as a
child. Do these places sound familiar? (the spelling is questionable)

Chicken: Youngbloods
Mexican: Felix, in Rice Village {still addicted to the queso (Soylent
Orange)}
Steak: Elliot's Steakhouse, on South Main; later, Look's, on Westheimer
Italian: Valian's, on South Main
Chinese: Lee's Den, on South Main
Hamburgers: Princes, on Holcombe (or was it Prices's?)
Barbeque: Cellar Door, on Holcombe at Stella Link
Seafood: Christies, on Main in the medical center {addicted to the fried
shrimp and remoulade sauce (Soylent Beige)}

We ate out a lot but apparently not enough, all these locations are
gone. Sigh.


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R. Matthew Sailors

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Prince's still has locations on Westheimer (about halfway between 610 and 8)
and on 59 inside of 610, but I forget how far from the west interchange.

Matt

msailors.vcf

Patrick L. Humphrey

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"R. Matthew Sailors" <msai...@anes1.med.uth.tmc.edu> writes:

>Prince's still has locations on Westheimer (about halfway between 610 and 8)
>and on 59 inside of 610, but I forget how far from the west interchange.

Actually, there are three: Westheimer at Crossview (a block east of Fondren),
I-10 inbound feeder between Blalock and Campbell, and inbound 59 feeder just
east of Weslayan (about a mile inside the Loop).

--PLH, now, if they could get some decent help...

Lee S.

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Don't forget Across the Street for hamburgers on Hillcroft and Kaphans
(sp?) for seafood near the med center

Lee

On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:12:00 GMT, Suburbio <suburb...@my-deja.com>

Judy

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Suburbio wrote:
>
> The other day I took a bite of a chicken tender at Pappadeux and the
> flavor brought back a childhood memory of Youngblood's chicken in the
<snip>

> Seafood: Christies, on Main in the medical center {addicted to the fried
> shrimp and remoulade sauce (Soylent Beige)}
>
> We ate out a lot but apparently not enough, all these locations are
> gone. Sigh.

The good news about Christie's is that the same branch of the family
that ran the Main Street location runs the Christie's on Westheimer just
a few blocks west of Fountainview. The fried shrimp and remoulade sauce
are still great!

Judy

Rebecca

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Suburbio wrote:

> The other day I took a bite of a chicken tender at Pappadeux and the
> flavor brought back a childhood memory of Youngblood's chicken in the

> medical center. I started thinking about the places my family ate as a
> child. Do these places sound familiar? (the spelling is questionable)
>
> Chicken: Youngbloods
> Mexican: Felix, in Rice Village {still addicted to the queso (Soylent
> Orange)}
> Steak: Elliot's Steakhouse, on South Main; later, Look's, on Westheimer
> Italian: Valian's, on South Main
> Chinese: Lee's Den, on South Main
> Hamburgers: Princes, on Holcombe (or was it Prices's?)
> Barbeque: Cellar Door, on Holcombe at Stella Link

I remember a Cellar Door (at least, that's what I think it was; please
correct me if I'm wrong), but it was on I-10 in the building that now houses
Goode Company. My parents took us there the night my new kitten was bitten
by another cat and needed stitches... there was a veterinarian's office in
the center behind the restaurant, so we dropped him off and went to eat. We
were real big on bbq at the time as we had just moved here from California
where we'd never experienced anything like Texas bbq. I recall it was
pretty good food, though my mind was probably more on my poor kitty than on
the food... I was about nine, after all! :-)


>
> Seafood: Christies, on Main in the medical center {addicted to the fried
> shrimp and remoulade sauce (Soylent Beige)}

I'm with you on this one! They make _the best_ fried shrimp and remoulade!

Becky

>

>
>
> We ate out a lot but apparently not enough, all these locations are
> gone. Sigh.
>

Patrick L. Humphrey

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Lee S. <che...@lee.net> writes:

>Don't forget Across the Street for hamburgers on Hillcroft and Kaphans
>(sp?) for seafood near the med center

Ouch...almost forgot Across the Street, and I was at Lee while that was still
going strong. I'm surprised no one's mentioned Bud Bigelow's yet, though --
which was on Westheimer a couple of blocks west of Hillcroft.

--PLH, who would have mentioned the Shakey's at Westheimer and Winrock, but
the statute of limitations may not have expired on that one yet :)

Lee S.

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On 26 Jan 2000 13:50:13 -0600, pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
wrote:


SHAKEYS! well done!

How abour Alfreds deli in Town and Country (though it still lives on
in Kahns in the village)

Lee

Professor Vonroach

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Jan 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/26/00
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:12:00 GMT, Suburbio <suburb...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

>The other day I took a bite of a chicken tender at Pappadeux and the
>flavor brought back a childhood memory of Youngblood's chicken in the
>medical center. I started thinking about the places my family ate as a
>child. Do these places sound familiar? (the spelling is questionable)
>
>Chicken: Youngbloods

Remember Bill Williams `Savage Chicken in a skillet' Drive-In
near-by?

>Mexican: Felix, in Rice Village {still addicted to the queso (Soylent
>Orange)}

Felix just reopened after a fire on Westheimer
(Place in Village was much `younger')

>Steak: Elliot's Steakhouse, on South Main

Move out on South Main from a near downtown location. Closed for good.


> later, Look's, on Westheimer

Look's started on northside, later open Restaurant and Club on SMain,
now closed.

>Italian: Valian's, on South Main

Closed, property is too valuable for little italian restaurant.

>Chinese: Lee's Den, on South Main

Closed

>Hamburgers: Princes, on Holcombe (or was it Prices's?)

Several remain open

>Barbeque: Cellar Door, on Holcombe at Stella Link

I believe they have all closed

>Seafood: Christies, on Main in the medical center {addicted to the fried
>shrimp and remoulade sauce (Soylent Beige)}

Still operates on Westheimer.

>We ate out a lot but apparently not enough, all these locations are
>gone. Sigh.

A good list, but many great restaurants not included: College Inn, Red
Lion, K Sandwich Shop, and others.

Patrick L Humphrey

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Jan 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/27/00
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Lee S. <che...@lee.net> writes:

>On 26 Jan 2000 13:50:13 -0600, pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
>wrote:

>>Lee S. <che...@lee.net> writes:

>>>Don't forget Across the Street for hamburgers on Hillcroft and Kaphans
>>>(sp?) for seafood near the med center

>>Ouch...almost forgot Across the Street, and I was at Lee while that was still
>>going strong. I'm surprised no one's mentioned Bud Bigelow's yet, though --
>>which was on Westheimer a couple of blocks west of Hillcroft.
>>--PLH, who would have mentioned the Shakey's at Westheimer and Winrock, but
>> the statute of limitations may not have expired on that one yet :)

> SHAKEYS! well done!

Pizza usually is best when it's well done, yes. :-) On that tack...how about
New Vaudeville Pizza in the old Westbury Square? (Followed by Rumpleheimer's
Ice Cream up at the top of the "hill" on which the square was built.)

> How abour Alfreds deli in Town and Country (though it still lives on
> in Kahns in the village)

Here's to the old Alfred's -- and while in that neighborhood, remember the
original location of James Coney Island there...which was their first location
outside of downtown, when it opened in the late 1960s.

--PLH, who lives a couple of blocks away from their second out-of-downtown
location on Fondren


Chris Marksberry

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Patrick L Humphrey wrote in message ...

and while in that neighborhood, remember the
>original location of James Coney Island there...which was their first
location
>outside of downtown, when it opened in the late 1960s.

I used to work in the Esperson Building. Across the street was the
original James Coney Island. Also, there's was a Walgreen drug store across
the street where I had breakfast sometimes. They had a special called the
Big One. You got 1 piece of toast, strip of bacon, 1 egg for about 59
cents. Long time ago. Guess it's long gone?

Also there was a cafeteria underneath the Walgreen Drug Store. Anybody
remember that? Don't recall that it was too good anyway.

Chris
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Patrick L. Humphrey

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Jan 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/27/00
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"Chris Marksberry" <cmark...@hickham.com> writes:

>Patrick L Humphrey wrote in message ...

>>and while in that neighborhood, remember the
>>original location of James Coney Island there...which was their first
>>location outside of downtown, when it opened in the late 1960s.

>I used to work in the Esperson Building. Across the street was the
>original James Coney Island. Also, there's was a Walgreen drug store across
>the street where I had breakfast sometimes. They had a special called the
>Big One. You got 1 piece of toast, strip of bacon, 1 egg for about 59
>cents. Long time ago. Guess it's long gone?

Really long gone, I'd say...I pulled jury duty back in the late 1970s (back
when it was still the all-day ordeal), and got to eat lunch at the original
JCI there across from the Esperson. At least I can say I visited that one
once.

>Also there was a cafeteria underneath the Walgreen Drug Store. Anybody
>remember that? Don't recall that it was too good anyway.

I vaguely remember the Walgreens -- but could it have been part of Walgreens?
A lot of their locations had a cafeteria/grill setup in them back in those
days -- the ones in Sharpstown Center and Memorial City did before they got
renovated back at the turn of the '80s...

--PLH, seeming to remember something down below Woolworth's downtown, too

KBELL12345

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Jan 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/27/00
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I remember pizza at Valiants - off Main I believe. Also, Ye Old College Inn.
Remember Los Troncos in the Montrose area in the sixties. It was a restaurant
designed to look like the interior of a tree. To get to some of the tables,
you actually had to crawl thru tunnel like enclosures.

Professor Vonroach

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On 27 Jan 2000 21:13:55 GMT, kbell...@aol.comsearch (KBELL12345)
wrote:

Los Truncos on Westheimer not far from Tower theater.
Jame's Coney Island had at least a couple of downtown places. I
thought the one on Walker near San Jacinto was the first, but could be
wrong. Worked in office near corner of Walker/Caroline in late '50's
and frequently ate lunch at JCI. There was also an old Papas Coney
Island near Fannin and Congress which I can remember as looking quite
old in the '40's. (caught bus in front for a little while).

Chris Marksberry

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KBELL12345 wrote in message

>I remember pizza at Valiants - off Main I believe. Also, Ye Old College
Inn.
>Remember Los Troncos in the Montrose area in the sixties. It was a
restaurant
>designed to look like the interior of a tree. To get to some of the
tables,
>you actually had to crawl thru tunnel like enclosures.
>
>

Was Los Troncos still there in the early 70's? I think I was there and they
had a live band at the back of the bar.

Anybody remember (or admit they remember) when they were trying to
rejuventure Old Market Square. There was a super seedy bar called the
Cellar that was underground (in several senses of the meaning <g>). I was
never there of course.

And I remember another bar but can't remember the name of it (it was the
70's after all) that had genuine Tiffany lamps. It was near Market Square I
think.

Just remembered the name of the cafeteria that was under Walgreen's on
Walker. LC Cafeteria I believe.

Chris
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Ronald Kerr

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> And I remember another bar but can't remember the name of it (it was the
> 70's after all) that had genuine Tiffany lamps. It was near Market Square I
> think.
>

Are you thinking of Warren's Inn? Warren's is still on the square in a new
location, and they boast the great bartender Jose'. He makes a great Manhatten.

Ron 'Chico' Kerr.


Bill Hinds

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> Anybody remember (or admit they remember) when they were trying to
> rejuventure Old Market Square. There was a super seedy bar called the
> Cellar that was underground (in several senses of the meaning <g>). I was
> never there of course.
>

I remember the Cellar. I also remember a groovy place down by Allen's
Landing called the Love Street Light Circus Feel Good Machine.

In this cold, wet weather I miss the cabbage borscht from Alfred's.


Chris Marksberry

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Ronald Kerr wrote in message

>Are you thinking of Warren's Inn? Warren's is still on the square in a new
>location, and they boast the great bartender Jose'. He makes a great
Manhatten.
>
>Ron 'Chico' Kerr.
>

Wow! That must be the place. I remember the place being noted for a drink
as well as the genuine Tiffany lamps. Maybe I need to take my husband back
to some of my old stomping grounds. Seems a few are still around.

I know Ruby Red's has been gone a long time but again IIRC they had the best
burgers and greasy French fries (believe they called them steakburgers) and
I think the first one was in Market Square.

Chris

Chris Marksberry

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~~ Tricia wrote in message

>Does anyone remember the bakery at the downtown Foley's, just outside the
>parking garage tunnel? I haven't been there in years; it may be long gone
>by now. They had the most amazing fudge cookies, with raisins and a blop
of
>fudge icing on top. I also fondly remember the department store restaurant
>there (or maybe it wasn't).....all the children's menu items were named
>after cities in Texas.

I remember the Foley's Bakery. Had my oldest son's 1st Birthday Cake done
there. The icing wasn't nearly as sweet as other bakeries... they did a
fine job. Alas I believe the bakery has been gone a long time.

I think Foley's used to have several restaurants. Mostly I went the
cafeteria that was in the basement.

Foley's used to have cheese and wine tastings that were free.

Chris


Albert Nurick

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"Patrick L Humphrey" <pat...@alewife.owlnet.rice.edu> wrote in message news:lay66wf...@alewife.owlnet.rice.edu...

> Lee S. <che...@lee.net> writes:
>
> >On 26 Jan 2000 13:50:13 -0600, pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
> >wrote:
>
> >>Lee S. <che...@lee.net> writes:
>
> >>>Don't forget Across the Street for hamburgers on Hillcroft and Kaphans
> >>>(sp?) for seafood near the med center

Major flashback. I remember as a kid loving Across the Street; any place
where I got to order with a telephone was really Space Age to me.

I recently mourned the passing of Kaphan's; it was a regular lunch spot when
I'd visit my parents in Houston. Even in their final years the establishment
had a sense of grace that's rare these days.

> Pizza usually is best when it's well done, yes. :-) On that tack...how about
> New Vaudeville Pizza in the old Westbury Square? (Followed by Rumpleheimer's
> Ice Cream up at the top of the "hill" on which the square was built.)

I miss Westbury Square; on my last trip there; it was a ghost town. As a young
lad, I attended the Little Red School House; it must have been 1966. I wonder
why the village concept for a boutique shopping center wasn't more succesful?
It would also be a primo idea for a City Streets kind of nightlife area.

> > How abour Alfreds deli in Town and Country (though it still lives on
> > in Kahns in the village)
>

> Here's to the old Alfred's -- and while in that neighborhood, remember the


> original location of James Coney Island there...which was their first location
> outside of downtown, when it opened in the late 1960s.

Here, here. I've got fond memories of Alfred's on Sunday morning, although it
was the Stella Link location.

--
Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com>


Albert Nurick

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"Chris Marksberry" <cmark...@hickham.com> wrote in message
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>
> Patrick L Humphrey wrote in message ...
>
> and while in that neighborhood, remember the
> >original location of James Coney Island there...which was their first
> location
> >outside of downtown, when it opened in the late 1960s.
>
> I used to work in the Esperson Building. Across the street was the
> original James Coney Island. Also, there's was a Walgreen drug store across
> the street where I had breakfast sometimes. They had a special called the
> Big One. You got 1 piece of toast, strip of bacon, 1 egg for about 59
> cents. Long time ago. Guess it's long gone?

I remember those. My dad owned the jewelry store in the Rice Hotel (it
was called Bilton's, at 520 Main) and I worked there in the summer. The
original James Coney Island was a hallowed spot. There was also a great
sub sandwich shop on the way there that was wonderful, but I can't recall
the name.

--
Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com>


Albert Nurick

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"Albert Nurick" <alb...@nurick.com> wrote in message news:s91n7ug...@corp.supernews.com...

> I remember those. My dad owned the jewelry store in the Rice Hotel (it
> was called Bilton's, at 520 Main) and I worked there in the summer.

Speaking of the Rice Hotel, I fondly remember eating way too much of their
Rice Pudding in the basement cafeteria, and the coffee shop. Does anyone
remember the Old Capitol Club that was in the building? It was a private
club that was popular with attorneys and a number of judges. IIRC, women were
not allowed; I remember having to retrieve my dad from a chess game there,
not understanding why Mom couldn't go in. At the time, it was pretty cool
to be welcome someplace that Mom couldn't go. ;-)

--
Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com>


Albert Nurick

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I remember a restaurant on Post Oak near Willowbend that had a
merry-go-round for the kids to sit on; the food was not memorable,
but the setting was pretty cool.

Other hotspots from my past were Albert Gee's Pollyasian restaurant
on Main (remember the mynah bird in the lobby?), the Red Lion on
Main (still my benchmark for prime rib), and Pier 21 (Fannin and
Braeswood, my family's regular seafood haunt.)

Driving around Houston, it seems that so few of the places I grew
up frequenting are still there. Thank goodness for Three Brothers'
Bakery.

--
Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com>


Albert Nurick

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"KBELL12345" <kbell...@aol.comsearch> wrote in message news:20000127161355...@ng-bj1.aol.com...

> I remember pizza at Valiants - off Main I believe. Also, Ye Old College Inn.
> Remember Los Troncos in the Montrose area in the sixties. It was a restaurant
> designed to look like the interior of a tree. To get to some of the tables,
> you actually had to crawl thru tunnel like enclosures.

Los Troncos was one of the most fascinating restaurants to a small child; I
can testify to this. Of course, some of the folks enjoying romantic dinners
in the secluded dining alcoves (it was the swingin' 60's) probably didn't
appreciate my explorations. Is there anything even remotely like this
these days?

--
Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com>


Bill Hinds

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> Speaking of the Rice Hotel, I fondly remember eating way too much of their
> Rice Pudding in the basement cafeteria, and the coffee shop.

I loved that rice pudding. I remember there was a crepe restaurant at the
street level after the hotel closed.

> Does anyone
> remember the Old Capitol Club that was in the building?

The Press Club was there for awhile too.


Mike Leonard

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Jan 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/28/00
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Oh, for the days gone by. People would refer to you as Mr. or Mrs..
Elegant dining meant dressing to eat, be it breakfast, brunch, lunch, or
dinner (supper to some). Breakfast was served with no limit on bacon or
biscuits and gravy. Greasy hamburgers, at the local dive, was a thing to
boast about without pace maker scars. The best steak could be found at the
place not far from a ranch. Good bbq could be found on any street corner
with a pit worthy of being called a bbq place. Hot dogs were a treat at a
ballgame or before, like Jame's with chili, like Jame's, yet Jame's chili
could be eaten on it's own. Days come and days go but food will change to
the likings of the customer base with which it's served. Fast, Thin, over
and above Commercialized, unable to relish the flavor, of the moment, or
the food without gorging on either.

"Suburbio" <suburb...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> The other day I took a bite of a chicken tender at Pappadeux and the
> flavor brought back a childhood memory of Youngblood's chicken in the
> medical center. I started thinking about the places my family ate as a
> child. Do these places sound familiar? (the spelling is questionable)
>
> Chicken: Youngbloods

> Mexican: Felix, in Rice Village {still addicted to the queso (Soylent
> Orange)}

> Steak: Elliot's Steakhouse, on South Main; later, Look's, on Westheimer


> Italian: Valian's, on South Main

> Chinese: Lee's Den, on South Main

> Hamburgers: Princes, on Holcombe (or was it Prices's?)

> Barbeque: Cellar Door, on Holcombe at Stella Link

> Seafood: Christies, on Main in the medical center {addicted to the fried
> shrimp and remoulade sauce (Soylent Beige)}
>

> We ate out a lot but apparently not enough, all these locations are
> gone. Sigh.
>
>

Simple Mortel

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I remember Sunday's at Weldon's Cafeteria downtown for beef stew or Southern
fried chicken, pancake batter fried chicken at Foote's in the Village, blue
plate specials at Alfred's, Felix's Cafeteria Style Mexican Restaurant on Main
Street, this amazing mushroom and cheese pizza at Goggies on Broadway at 45,
crispy puffed shell tacos at El Patio on Telephone road, killer hamburgers at
the Chuck Wagun (sic) on Broadway, and most of al,l these triple decker
peppermint ice cream cones at Rettig's.

Jay

Professor Vonroach

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On 28 Jan 2000 04:49:34 GMT, simple...@aol.com (Simple Mortel)
wrote:

Yes and for ice cream - the Camellia Ice Cream Parlor on Westheimer.
For candy , sandwiches, and fountain drinks - Darcy's on Main (later
on West Grey).

KBELL12345

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I remember Sonny Looks on South Main also. Was he the one that had a person in
a suit of armor on a horse out in front of the restaurant?

Also, the Green Parrot in McGregor Park. It was in an old mansion. They
specialized in fried chicken and a dessert called the Green Parrott Chocolate
Fudge Pie. After your meal, they would bring a mechanical bird in a bird cage
that would sing.

Whenever you went downtown to shop, you would lunch at either Sakowitz tea room
or Foleys tea room (called the Azalea Terrace). Sakowitz had a fantastic ice
cream ball dessert with chocolate fudge sauce and pecans. THey also were the
first to have the salad melody plate - shrimp salad, chicken salad and fruit
salad with poppy seed dressing. They would have live models modeling clothes
during lunch. Do any department stores have lunch rooms anymore - I can only
think of one - Neimans.

Also, Two K's (not sure of spelling) ice cream parlor which was located near
Sakowitz on Westheimer. It had a wonderful ice cream counter. In a later
incarnation, it was the New York Deli.

The old Monument Inn at San Jacinto - trays and trays of seafood would be
delivered to your table - nothing remotely like that now.

Ronald Kerr

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Albert Nurick wrote:

> Los Troncos was one of the most fascinating restaurants to a small child; I
> can testify to this. Of course, some of the folks enjoying romantic dinners
> in the secluded dining alcoves (it was the swingin' 60's) probably didn't
> appreciate my explorations. Is there anything even remotely like this
> these days?
>

Yes, upstairs at Marfreless!

Ron 'Chico' Kerr


Bill Hinds

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Oh Yeah! The San Jacinto Inn was the best!


Dave Garrett

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In article <86qith$qi5$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>,
skipp...@mindspring.com says...

> Oh, and off-topic, food-wise: Do you guys remember the children's shoe
> department with the huge pirate ship to play on? Where was that?
> Battlestien's? Downtown Foley's?

Wow. I hadn't thought of that pirate ship in many years. It is definitely
a fond childhood memory. I think it was at the Northwest Mall Foley's,
not the downtown one. I have to wonder how many kids actually got excited
at the prospect of shoe-shopping there solely because it afforded the
opportunity to crawl all over that ship.

To bring this marginally back on-topic, what was the name of the little
cafeteria-style eatery right down the way from the NW Mall Foley's in the
pre-food-court era? ISTR it had a faux-French name, like "Le Petit
Pierre", or something similar.

Dave


Dave Garrett

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In article <s91o2v...@corp.supernews.com>, alb...@nurick.com says...

> Speaking of the Rice Hotel, I fondly remember eating way too much of their

> Rice Pudding in the basement cafeteria, and the coffee shop. Does anyone
> remember the Old Capitol Club that was in the building? It was a private
> club that was popular with attorneys and a number of judges. IIRC, women were
> not allowed; I remember having to retrieve my dad from a chess game there,
> not understanding why Mom couldn't go in. At the time, it was pretty cool
> to be welcome someplace that Mom couldn't go. ;-)

There's a pub over on Sandman, off of Greenbriar, called McElroy's that
has quite a bit of the old leather furniture that used to be in the Old
Capitol Club. The owner bought it at auction several years ago when
renovation of the Rice was still a pipe dream, and ISTR he has a lot more
of it in storage beyond what was needed to furnish the pub.

Dave


Patrick L. Humphrey

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"Albert Nurick" <alb...@nurick.com> writes:

>"Patrick L Humphrey" <pat...@alewife.owlnet.rice.edu> wrote in message news:lay66wf...@alewife.owlnet.rice.edu...
>> Lee S. <che...@lee.net> writes:

>> >On 26 Jan 2000 13:50:13 -0600, pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
>> >wrote:

>> >>Lee S. <che...@lee.net> writes:

>> >>>Don't forget Across the Street for hamburgers on Hillcroft and Kaphans
>> >>>(sp?) for seafood near the med center

>Major flashback. I remember as a kid loving Across the Street; any place
>where I got to order with a telephone was really Space Age to me.

It was pretty cool to me, too -- gadgetry was my thing back in the '60s, too.

>I recently mourned the passing of Kaphan's; it was a regular lunch spot when
>I'd visit my parents in Houston. Even in their final years the establishment
>had a sense of grace that's rare these days.

I never was a very frequent visitor to Kaphan's, but it was one of the
landmarks that felt like it would be there forever -- it's sad to see it sit
there for a couple of years, abandoned, before being razed so another Eckerd
could be built on that corner. (Of course, now South Main is being rebuilt
from there out to the Loop, so access is going to be an adventure at best at
that corner for the next year.)

>>Pizza usually is best when it's well done, yes. :-) On that tack...how
>>about New Vaudeville Pizza in the old Westbury Square? (Followed by
>>Rumpleheimer's Ice Cream up at the top of the "hill" on which the square was
>>built.)

>I miss Westbury Square; on my last trip there; it was a ghost town. As a
>young lad, I attended the Little Red School House; it must have been 1966. I
>wonder why the village concept for a boutique shopping center wasn't more
>succesful? It would also be a primo idea for a City Streets kind of nightlife
>area.

You were at the Little Red School House? In 1966, I was a rowdy
eleven-year-old living about six blocks south of there down near Atwell and
Dryad and going to school at Anderson Elementary.

It's a shame Westbury Square didn't make it to the end of the millennium --
the way it was in the mid-1960s, it'd be popular again these days.

>> > How abour Alfreds deli in Town and Country (though it still lives on
>> > in Kahns in the village)

>>Here's to the old Alfred's -- and while in that neighborhood, remember the


>>original location of James Coney Island there...which was their first
>>location outside of downtown, when it opened in the late 1960s.

>Here, here. I've got fond memories of Alfred's on Sunday morning, although it


>was the Stella Link location.

Never did go to that one, though I lived not that far away in Westbury my
first year in Houston -- but after we moved out to what was then the far west
end of town and a bridge was built across the bayou where the Tollway now
spans it, I made frequent trips up to the old T&C Center...

--PLH, the old neighborhood's been sliding down the tubes ever since

Lance Hirsch

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That Pirate Ship was at Foley's NW Mall. They may have had one downtown
also.

Someone mentioned the Chuck Wagun. They had wonderful BBQ sandwiches.

Lance
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Albert Nurick

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Next time I'm in town, I've gotta stop by... thanks for the pointer! I wonder
if he'd be willing to part with a couple of the extra chairs?

--
Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com>


Albert Nurick

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"Patrick L. Humphrey" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message news:szkemb2...@fnord.io.com...

> "Albert Nurick" <alb...@nurick.com> writes:
> >Major flashback. I remember as a kid loving Across the Street; any place
> >where I got to order with a telephone was really Space Age to me.
>
> It was pretty cool to me, too -- gadgetry was my thing back in the '60s, too.

<looking at the digital camera and PDA on my desk> I don't seem to have
outgrown it, either. ;-)

> >I recently mourned the passing of Kaphan's; it was a regular lunch spot when
> >I'd visit my parents in Houston. Even in their final years the establishment
> >had a sense of grace that's rare these days.
>
> I never was a very frequent visitor to Kaphan's, but it was one of the
> landmarks that felt like it would be there forever -- it's sad to see it sit
> there for a couple of years, abandoned, before being razed so another Eckerd
> could be built on that corner. (Of course, now South Main is being rebuilt
> from there out to the Loop, so access is going to be an adventure at best at
> that corner for the next year.)

Ah, progress. I really miss the food at Kaphan's. I think the only restaurant
that I used to frequent as a kid that's still around is Brenner's.

> >I miss Westbury Square; on my last trip there; it was a ghost town. As a
> >young lad, I attended the Little Red School House; it must have been 1966. I
> >wonder why the village concept for a boutique shopping center wasn't more
> >succesful? It would also be a primo idea for a City Streets kind of nightlife
> >area.
>
> You were at the Little Red School House? In 1966, I was a rowdy
> eleven-year-old living about six blocks south of there down near Atwell and
> Dryad and going to school at Anderson Elementary.

Oh, you were the one who threw rocks at me on the swing. I've been looking
for you... ;-) Small world, isn't it?

> It's a shame Westbury Square didn't make it to the end of the millennium --
> the way it was in the mid-1960s, it'd be popular again these days.

Yep. Very quaint and cozy. I walked through it a couple of years ago with
my girlfriend, and she was amazed that it had died out.

> >Here, here. I've got fond memories of Alfred's on Sunday morning, although it
> >was the Stella Link location.
>
> Never did go to that one, though I lived not that far away in Westbury my
> first year in Houston -- but after we moved out to what was then the far west
> end of town and a bridge was built across the bayou where the Tollway now
> spans it, I made frequent trips up to the old T&C Center...

I remember going out to T & C when it was really out in the country, long
before the mall was built there. There was this cheese shop Dad loved to
visit, and I remember a kid's store called "Chocolate Soup". Never went in,
but the name stuck in my mind.

--
Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com>


Patrick L. Humphrey

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"Albert Nurick" <alb...@nurick.com> writes:

>"Patrick L. Humphrey" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message news:szkemb2...@fnord.io.com...
>>"Albert Nurick" <alb...@nurick.com> writes:
>>>Major flashback. I remember as a kid loving Across the Street; any place
>>>where I got to order with a telephone was really Space Age to me.

>>It was pretty cool to me, too -- gadgetry was my thing back in the '60s, too.

><looking at the digital camera and PDA on my desk> I don't seem to have
>outgrown it, either. ;-)

Welcome to the club -- I have the Gateway Pentium II and the seven-year-old
'386 still hanging around. (and I wish I'd kept the C-64)

>>>I recently mourned the passing of Kaphan's; it was a regular lunch spot when
>>>I'd visit my parents in Houston. Even in their final years the
>>>establishment had a sense of grace that's rare these days.

>>I never was a very frequent visitor to Kaphan's, but it was one of the
>>landmarks that felt like it would be there forever -- it's sad to see it sit
>>there for a couple of years, abandoned, before being razed so another Eckerd
>>could be built on that corner. (Of course, now South Main is being rebuilt
>>from there out to the Loop, so access is going to be an adventure at best at
>>that corner for the next year.)

>Ah, progress. I really miss the food at Kaphan's. I think the only
>restaurant that I used to frequent as a kid that's still around is Brenner's.

I know the feeling -- in my case, it was Genghis Khan's Mongolian BBQ, which
was originally at the corner of Bellaire and Hillcroft, and then moved out to
a new strip center almost out to the then-city limits on Bellaire west of
S. Gessner. That one didn't quite last forever -- it disappeared two years
ago.

>>>I miss Westbury Square; on my last trip there; it was a ghost town. As a
>>>young lad, I attended the Little Red School House; it must have been 1966. I
>>>wonder why the village concept for a boutique shopping center wasn't more
>>>succesful? It would also be a primo idea for a City Streets kind of
>>>nightlife area.

>>You were at the Little Red School House? In 1966, I was a rowdy
>>eleven-year-old living about six blocks south of there down near Atwell and
>>Dryad and going to school at Anderson Elementary.

>Oh, you were the one who threw rocks at me on the swing. I've been looking
>for you... ;-) Small world, isn't it?

Wasn't me...I was too busy getting into dust-ups with my classmates at
Anderson, or hanging around the Square at Rumpleheimer's (if I wasn't pedaling
down the ski-jump hills on that little embankment between the village part of
the Square and the block over by Chimney Rock that had the Weingartens and
Brittain's Broiler Burger). I got my alibi. :)

>>It's a shame Westbury Square didn't make it to the end of the millennium --
>>the way it was in the mid-1960s, it'd be popular again these days.

>Yep. Very quaint and cozy. I walked through it a couple of years ago with
>my girlfriend, and she was amazed that it had died out.

It's not a pleasant sight now, not after that half of the Westbury Square
property was plowed under to build a Home Depot (which is the one that _was_ a
block down the street from where Dale and I live in Sharpstown now).

>>>Here, here. I've got fond memories of Alfred's on Sunday morning, although
>>>it was the Stella Link location.

>>Never did go to that one, though I lived not that far away in Westbury my
>>first year in Houston -- but after we moved out to what was then the far west
>>end of town and a bridge was built across the bayou where the Tollway now
>>spans it, I made frequent trips up to the old T&C Center...

>I remember going out to T & C when it was really out in the country, long
>before the mall was built there. There was this cheese shop Dad loved to
>visit, and I remember a kid's store called "Chocolate Soup". Never went in,
>but the name stuck in my mind.

That one stuck with me, too -- and it's still there to this day (at least, as
of about three months ago), in the new rebuilt T&C between Memorial and what's
left of the mall. I've never been in it, but if they actually offered
chocolate soup...I'd have to try it.

--PLH, looks like a pretty simple recipe, in my book :)

RonDL

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I was writing my list as I was reading each of the posts. What great memories
they brought back and could not believe one was not on it, but alas it was
remembered, The Green Parrot. The best fried chicken, the corn relish and for
the kids who really behaved, we got the pear stuffed with cottage cheese
surrounded by jello. sounds utterly disgusting, but GREAT!!! And don't forget
the peacocks running free in the back.

Do we also remember...

Delmonico's - Italian
Ruby Reds - Original Downtown with the
peanut shells on the floor and the cartoons playing all the time.
Bill Williams-home of the Houston's blue
plate special (med. ctr and downtown)
Hebert's Ritz-downtown for steaks
Vargo's- before many owners

Chris Marksberry

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RonDL wrote in message <

>Do we also remember...

>Ruby Reds - Original Downtown with the
> peanut shells on the floor and the cartoons playing all the time.

Ah yes... steakburgers w/terrific greasy French flies. I guess they must
have tried to expand to fast. Was disappointed when they were gone.

>Hebert's Ritz-downtown for steaks

That one too... also very home-style kinda items on the lunch menu. Pot
roast, stuff like that. And, of course, pronounced Abers.

>Vargo's- before many owners

Yup! They served family style... mashed potatoes, dirty rice, green beans.

I remember when the waiter would bring the dirty rice, a standard comment
from the waiter was that the dirty rice was the second best thing out of
Louisiana. Of course, you were supposed to ask "what's the first best
thing out of Louisiana?"

Waiter's answer: "A Greyhound Bus"

Chris
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Albert Nurick

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"Patrick L. Humphrey" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message news:szk7lgt...@fnord.io.com...

> I know the feeling -- in my case, it was Genghis Khan's Mongolian BBQ, which
> was originally at the corner of Bellaire and Hillcroft, and then moved out to
> a new strip center almost out to the then-city limits on Bellaire west of
> S. Gessner. That one didn't quite last forever -- it disappeared two years
> ago.

I remember a Mongolian BBQ place at that corner; it was in front of the
drive-in theater, IIRC. It was the first place I tried Mongolian BBQ,
and the other ones I've tried since then haven't come close. I had no
idea they were around a couple of years ago! :-(

> >Oh, you were the one who threw rocks at me on the swing. I've been looking
> >for you... ;-) Small world, isn't it?
>
> Wasn't me...I was too busy getting into dust-ups with my classmates at
> Anderson, or hanging around the Square at Rumpleheimer's (if I wasn't pedaling
> down the ski-jump hills on that little embankment between the village part of
> the Square and the block over by Chimney Rock that had the Weingartens and
> Brittain's Broiler Burger). I got my alibi. :)

I attended Herod Elementary, in the neighborhood bounded by Hillcroft, N.
Braeswood, Beechnut, and Renwick. We terrorized that area, especially the
stores in Braeswood Square (I remember when you could still skateboard in
that mall) and the pizza place on the corner of N. Braeswood and Hilcroft,
near the hardware store that was there forever.

> >>It's a shame Westbury Square didn't make it to the end of the millennium --
> >>the way it was in the mid-1960s, it'd be popular again these days.
>
> >Yep. Very quaint and cozy. I walked through it a couple of years ago with
> >my girlfriend, and she was amazed that it had died out.
>
> It's not a pleasant sight now, not after that half of the Westbury Square
> property was plowed under to build a Home Depot (which is the one that _was_ a
> block down the street from where Dale and I live in Sharpstown now).

Ugh. It's a shame it didn't work out.

> >I remember going out to T & C when it was really out in the country, long
> >before the mall was built there. There was this cheese shop Dad loved to
> >visit, and I remember a kid's store called "Chocolate Soup". Never went in,
> >but the name stuck in my mind.
>
> That one stuck with me, too -- and it's still there to this day (at least, as
> of about three months ago), in the new rebuilt T&C between Memorial and what's
> left of the mall. I've never been in it, but if they actually offered
> chocolate soup...I'd have to try it.

Very, very cool. Next time I'm driving around Houston, I'm going to make a
note of more places that I grew up with.

--
Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com>


Professor Vonroach

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On 28 Jan 2000 13:10:36 GMT, kbell...@aol.comsearch (KBELL12345)
wrote:

>I remember Sonny Looks on South Main also. Was he the one that had a person in
>a suit of armor on a horse out in front of the restaurant?

Yes

>Also, the Green Parrot in McGregor Park. It was in an old mansion. They
>specialized in fried chicken and a dessert called the Green Parrott Chocolate
>Fudge Pie. After your meal, they would bring a mechanical bird in a bird cage
>that would sing.

Great place.

>Whenever you went downtown to shop, you would lunch at either Sakowitz tea room
>or Foleys tea room (called the Azalea Terrace). Sakowitz had a fantastic ice
>cream ball dessert with chocolate fudge sauce and pecans. THey also were the
>first to have the salad melody plate - shrimp salad, chicken salad and fruit
>salad with poppy seed dressing. They would have live models modeling clothes
>during lunch. Do any department stores have lunch rooms anymore - I can only
>think of one - Neimans.
>
>Also, Two K's (not sure of spelling) ice cream parlor which was located near
>Sakowitz on Westheimer. It had a wonderful ice cream counter. In a later
>incarnation, it was the New York Deli.

Earlier incarnation - 2 K's (owners initials) Sandwich Shop on South
Main near Sears.

>The old Monument Inn at San Jacinto - trays and trays of seafood would be
>delivered to your table - nothing remotely like that now.

Ah yes, the San Jacinto Inn (and Grotto Room on first floor). The
creme de la creme. The ultimate Houston dining experience.


Jay P Francis

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I had to get allergy shots down town for several years. There was a Borden's
around West Gray and Smith that made killer malts.

My first taste of a sub sandwich was the "Hoagie" at the downtown Woolworth's.

39 cents and a foot long.

Jay P Francis

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Oh, man, you just brought back another memory. The Foley's basement used to
have a snack bar. They'd take the hot dog buns, and slice off the side crust
on each side, then toast them up, ladle on pickle relish, chili, mustard, and a
hot dog of course. God, those buns were good!

Rebecca

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Albert Nurick wrote:

> "Patrick L. Humphrey" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message news:szkemb2...@fnord.io.com...
> > "Albert Nurick" <alb...@nurick.com> writes:
> > >Major flashback. I remember as a kid loving Across the Street; any place
> > >where I got to order with a telephone was really Space Age to me.
> >
> > It was pretty cool to me, too -- gadgetry was my thing back in the '60s, too.
>
> <looking at the digital camera and PDA on my desk> I don't seem to have
> outgrown it, either. ;-)
>

> > >I recently mourned the passing of Kaphan's; it was a regular lunch spot when
> > >I'd visit my parents in Houston. Even in their final years the establishment
> > >had a sense of grace that's rare these days.
> >
> > I never was a very frequent visitor to Kaphan's, but it was one of the
> > landmarks that felt like it would be there forever -- it's sad to see it sit
> > there for a couple of years, abandoned, before being razed so another Eckerd
> > could be built on that corner. (Of course, now South Main is being rebuilt
> > from there out to the Loop, so access is going to be an adventure at best at
> > that corner for the next year.)
>
> Ah, progress. I really miss the food at Kaphan's. I think the only restaurant
> that I used to frequent as a kid that's still around is Brenner's.
>

> > >I miss Westbury Square; on my last trip there; it was a ghost town. As a
> > >young lad, I attended the Little Red School House; it must have been 1966. I
> > >wonder why the village concept for a boutique shopping center wasn't more
> > >succesful? It would also be a primo idea for a City Streets kind of nightlife
> > >area.
> >
> > You were at the Little Red School House? In 1966, I was a rowdy
> > eleven-year-old living about six blocks south of there down near Atwell and
> > Dryad and going to school at Anderson Elementary.
>

> Oh, you were the one who threw rocks at me on the swing. I've been looking
> for you... ;-) Small world, isn't it?
>

> > It's a shame Westbury Square didn't make it to the end of the millennium --
> > the way it was in the mid-1960s, it'd be popular again these days.
>
> Yep. Very quaint and cozy. I walked through it a couple of years ago with
> my girlfriend, and she was amazed that it had died out.
>

> > >Here, here. I've got fond memories of Alfred's on Sunday morning, although it
> > >was the Stella Link location.
> >
> > Never did go to that one, though I lived not that far away in Westbury my
> > first year in Houston -- but after we moved out to what was then the far west
> > end of town and a bridge was built across the bayou where the Tollway now
> > spans it, I made frequent trips up to the old T&C Center...
>

> I remember going out to T & C when it was really out in the country, long
> before the mall was built there. There was this cheese shop Dad loved to
> visit, and I remember a kid's store called "Chocolate Soup". Never went in,
> but the name stuck in my mind.
>

> --
> Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com>

Wow! My mother took us to Chocolate Soup to buy Easter dresses when we first moved here. It
was a cute shop. We ate in the cheese shop you're referring to several times (it may have
actually been called The Cheese Shop). I remember they had a brand of hot mustard called Mister
Mustard which we all liked. Is that place still there?

And thinking about T&C "pre-mall" Center reminds me of the Romana's cafeteria there. They had
great liver and onions. We used to take my grandfather there on Sundays and the folks would
talk about "those crazy kids" on their skateboards at the skate park across the road.


Becky


Serena

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On 27 Jan 2000 12:13:48 -0600, Patrick L Humphrey
<pat...@alewife.owlnet.rice.edu> wrote:


>Pizza usually is best when it's well done, yes. :-) On that tack...how about
>New Vaudeville Pizza in the old Westbury Square? (Followed by Rumpleheimer's
>Ice Cream up at the top of the "hill" on which the square was built.)

Rumpleheimer's! I remember that place so well! I grew up in Westbury
(Anderson Elementary, Fondren Jr. High and Westbury High School) and
fondly remember when Westbury Square was the happening place! I
remember New Vaudeville Pizza too! Remember the Pink Giraffe and the
candle shop that were there?

What about Chuck Wagon restaurant (on Bissonnett, maybe?) and Bonanza
(on Bellaire Blvd.)? I remember those too. And what about Victoria
Station? The steak house with the railroad cars around it. I
remember going to one of my first "grown-up" meals there. I got to
have a Shirley Temple in the bar before dinner. At the end of the
meal, I told the waiter he was a good "cookerer". :-)

Serena

Serena

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On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:01:15 -0600, "Albert Nurick"
<alb...@nurick.com> wrote:

>I attended Herod Elementary, in the neighborhood bounded by Hillcroft, N.
>Braeswood, Beechnut, and Renwick. We terrorized that area, especially the
>stores in Braeswood Square (I remember when you could still skateboard in
>that mall) and the pizza place on the corner of N. Braeswood and Hilcroft,
>near the hardware store that was there forever.

Do you remember the ice cream place right near there? I think it was
Swenson's. I vividly remember their bubblegum ice cream. It had
penny gumballs in it and I had braces and couldn't eat it!

Gosh, I just realized that I must be getting old - here I am
remembering the "good old days" *sigh*

Serena

Jay P Francis

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I was fresh out of college in 1973 when Victoria Station opened. It was my
first job waitering there. At the time there were so few restaurants in
Houston (compared to now) that there was a two hour wait almost from the day
the doors opened. I made a lot of money at that place.

One night, as I was bringing a plate of prime rib to this table, I noticed that
the guy had gotten so drunk at happy hour that he passed out in his salad
plate.

I lifted his head, pushed his salad plate to the side, put down the prime rib,
lowered his head onto the prime rib, and walked away.

Jay

Hane

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Jay P Francis wrote in message
<20000128235112...@ng-cj1.aol.com>...

>I had to get allergy shots down town for several years. There was a
Borden's
>around West Gray and Smith that made killer malts.


I loved this place! We used to stop there for ice cream on the way
home from the beach.

In the East End, in the shadow of Buffalo Stadium, we walked to Mrs.
Baird's bakery that sold day-old 2-pack chocolate Hostess cupcakes 3
for 5 cents. Winter mornings in that neighborhood were filled with
Mrs. Baird's and Duncan Coffee's exhaust fumes. I guess the aromas
didn't carry so far in the heat because I connect them with weather
like we're having now. What memories.

hane


Mike Leonard

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Please say you took a different career path.

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Chris Marksberry

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Rebecca wrote in message

>And thinking about T&C "pre-mall" Center reminds me of the Romana's
cafeteria there.

I remember when the now Luby's used to be Romano's (sp?), then were called
Luby's /Romano, and now Luby's.

I was curious if Phil Romano who started Romano's Macaroni Grill,
Fuddrucker's (I think), Eatzi's, also started Luby's.

Mr. Romano is famous for starting a restaurant, making sure it's very
profitable and then selling it.

Anybody know? With the exception of Eatzi's, I believe all of these began
in San Antonio.

Chris
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Lance Hirsch

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I know Luby's has been around for a long time. They were around when
Romano's was here if not sooner. I would guess that it was not started by
Phil Romano. That's just a guess. I recall reading a little about the
history of Luby's in a business magazine. I don't recall the founder's
name, but I would have recalled all of those other restaurants - and I would
think they would have been mentioned.

Lance
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Casino Royale. Chapter VII

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Simple Mortel

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Speaking of Chinese food, remember the days of yore when it was "Cantonese" or
nothing? I remember going to the Sun Deluxe downtown, which, in hind sight,
was pretty awful ( re: hamburger pickles in the sweet and sour sauce) but at
the time, it reeked of "authentic" Chinese food. Would anyone like to share
their first experience with Hunan or Szechuan restaurants in Houston?

Jay

Albert Nurick

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"Simple Mortel" <simple...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20000130114717...@ng-fh1.aol.com...

Wasn't there a Szechwan spot in the Galleria (back when there was only the
original part of the Galleria)? I think it was across from International
Sports.

And speaking of the Galleria, I miss Farrell's Ice Cream parlor. Their
"Zoo" was true nirvana for an icecream-loving kid.

--
Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com>


Albert Nurick

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"Serena" <swe...@biteme.ev1.net> wrote in message news:eg159scsf5l9h960p...@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:01:15 -0600, "Albert Nurick"
> <alb...@nurick.com> wrote:
>
> >I attended Herod Elementary, in the neighborhood bounded by Hillcroft, N.
> >Braeswood, Beechnut, and Renwick. We terrorized that area, especially the
> >stores in Braeswood Square (I remember when you could still skateboard in
> >that mall) and the pizza place on the corner of N. Braeswood and Hilcroft,
> >near the hardware store that was there forever.
>
> Do you remember the ice cream place right near there? I think it was
> Swenson's. I vividly remember their bubblegum ice cream. It had
> penny gumballs in it and I had braces and couldn't eat it!

Yep. Swensen's had a location across Braes Bayou from there; it was on
the end in the strip center that houses the bagel place. When I was in
high school, the parking lot was full of kids every Saturday night.

> Gosh, I just realized that I must be getting old - here I am
> remembering the "good old days" *sigh*

Yikes.

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Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com>


Albert Nurick

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"Serena" <swe...@biteme.ev1.net> wrote in message news:f7159ssbianod6k8a...@4ax.com...

> Rumpleheimer's! I remember that place so well! I grew up in Westbury
> (Anderson Elementary, Fondren Jr. High and Westbury High School)

We were almost neighbors; I attended Herod Elementary, Johnston Jr.
High, and Bellaire HS.

> and
> fondly remember when Westbury Square was the happening place! I
> remember New Vaudeville Pizza too! Remember the Pink Giraffe and the
> candle shop that were there?

Very well. Do you recall the name of the store that sold the stick
candy? It was the first place I ever tasted butterscotch, and I've been
hooked ever since.

> What about Chuck Wagon restaurant (on Bissonnett, maybe?) and Bonanza
> (on Bellaire Blvd.)? I remember those too. And what about Victoria
> Station? The steak house with the railroad cars around it. I
> remember going to one of my first "grown-up" meals there. I got to
> have a Shirley Temple in the bar before dinner. At the end of the
> meal, I told the waiter he was a good "cookerer". :-)

Yep to all three. IIRC, the building that housed Chuck Wagon is still
there, but it's been through a bunch of changes. It seemed that at
one time, railroad cars were used as the motif for another Houston
restaurant, but I can't recall the name.

Remember the Purple Cow on Hillcroft; the drive-through that featured
purple ice cream? Or Massey's BBQ, on Bellaire near all the baseball
fields?

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Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com>


Mike Leonard

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Buffaloes bbq on Hempstead Highway and Campbell Road used railcars also.
This was the place you could specify how thick you wanted your steak cut and
guess the weight. If you guessed correct you got it free.

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Ronald Kerr

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Jay P Francis wrote:

> I was fresh out of college in 1973 when Victoria Station opened. It was my
> first job waitering there. At the time there were so few restaurants in
> Houston (compared to now) that there was a two hour wait almost from the day
> the doors opened. I made a lot of money at that place.
>
> One night, as I was bringing a plate of prime rib to this table, I noticed that
> the guy had gotten so drunk at happy hour that he passed out in his salad
> plate.
>
> I lifted his head, pushed his salad plate to the side, put down the prime rib,
> lowered his head onto the prime rib, and walked away.
>
> Jay

I saw the same thing happen at the El Dorado restaurant (former Cadillac Bar) in
Nuevo Laredo. The guy has passed out after too many tequila shooters. The waiter
just leaned over the passed out guy & put his plate in the center of the table.

Ron "Chico" Kerr

Armando Camarillo

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The Railhead was the name of the Houston-grown version of Victoria Station. It was on Richmond down
towards Hillcroft. The location has seen many different clubs/restaurants since.

Dave Garrett

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In article <qp2l4.75$NP....@news.swbell.net>, alb...@nurick.com says...

> And speaking of the Galleria, I miss Farrell's Ice Cream parlor. Their
> "Zoo" was true nirvana for an icecream-loving kid.

You know, right as I was retrieving new posts for this newsgroup, I was
musing on how the thread of bygone restaurants in Houston seems to pop up
every few months or so (and, lest anyone thinks I am complaining about
this, is generally one of the more interesting things to read here), and
wondering when someone would mention Farrell's, and no sooner had I
thought about it when I saw your post.

I was trying to explain Farrell's to my wife the last time we were at the
Galleria, and were walking by where it used to be located. She's from out
of state and had never heard of it before, and was starting to look at me
a bit askance as I waxed rhapsodic about the Golden Age of Farrell's. ;-)

Dave


Albert Nurick

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"Dave Garrett" <da...@compassnet.com> wrote in message news:MPG.12ff86314...@news.alt.net...

> In article <qp2l4.75$NP....@news.swbell.net>, alb...@nurick.com says...
>
> > And speaking of the Galleria, I miss Farrell's Ice Cream parlor. Their
> > "Zoo" was true nirvana for an icecream-loving kid.
>
> You know, right as I was retrieving new posts for this newsgroup, I was
> musing on how the thread of bygone restaurants in Houston seems to pop up
> every few months or so (and, lest anyone thinks I am complaining about
> this, is generally one of the more interesting things to read here), and
> wondering when someone would mention Farrell's, and no sooner had I
> thought about it when I saw your post.

The synchronicity of this thread has been surprising to me, too. When it
started, I was thinking about Los Troncos, and someone brought it up. It
is hard to think of a large metropolis like Houston as a small world, but
that seems to be the case.

> I was trying to explain Farrell's to my wife the last time we were at the
> Galleria, and were walking by where it used to be located. She's from out
> of state and had never heard of it before, and was starting to look at me
> a bit askance as I waxed rhapsodic about the Golden Age of Farrell's. ;-)

If she had been humiliated there on her birthday, she'd understand. ;-)

--
Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com>


Patrick L. Humphrey

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"Albert Nurick" <alb...@nurick.com> writes:

>"Dave Garrett" <da...@compassnet.com> wrote in message news:MPG.12ff86314...@news.alt.net...

[...]

>> I was trying to explain Farrell's to my wife the last time we were at the
>> Galleria, and were walking by where it used to be located. She's from out
>> of state and had never heard of it before, and was starting to look at me
>> a bit askance as I waxed rhapsodic about the Golden Age of Farrell's. ;-)

>If she had been humiliated there on her birthday, she'd understand. ;-)

After all these years, that's one thing I'm still thankful for: that I didn't
set foot in a Farrell's on my birthday. :-) (I will confess to having
thought about sticking a foot out at the right time, though...)

--PLH, just one of those birthday barges had more ice cream than was sold in
Moscow in January

cmakin

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"Dave Garrett" <da...@compassnet.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

> I was trying to explain Farrell's to my wife the last time we were at the
> Galleria, and were walking by where it used to be located. She's from out
> of state and had never heard of it before, and was starting to look at me
> a bit askance as I waxed rhapsodic about the Golden Age of Farrell's. ;-)
>

> Dave


But Farrell's was far from a Houston area experience. I grew up in Northern
California and remember Farrels fondly. If I recall correctly, there was
even a tragic accident in one in the Sacramento area where an air force
fighter crashed into one.

Carey in Pearland
>

Rebecca

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Dave Garrett wrote:

> In article <qp2l4.75$NP....@news.swbell.net>, alb...@nurick.com says...
>
> > And speaking of the Galleria, I miss Farrell's Ice Cream parlor. Their
> > "Zoo" was true nirvana for an icecream-loving kid.
>
> You know, right as I was retrieving new posts for this newsgroup, I was
> musing on how the thread of bygone restaurants in Houston seems to pop up
> every few months or so (and, lest anyone thinks I am complaining about
> this, is generally one of the more interesting things to read here), and
> wondering when someone would mention Farrell's, and no sooner had I
> thought about it when I saw your post.
>

> I was trying to explain Farrell's to my wife the last time we were at the
> Galleria, and were walking by where it used to be located. She's from out
> of state and had never heard of it before, and was starting to look at me
> a bit askance as I waxed rhapsodic about the Golden Age of Farrell's. ;-)
>
> Dave

This thread is much like the others that come back around every so often:
best sushi, bbq, cfs, what we had for dinner (another of my favorite
threads), but I find this one very entertaining since I've lived in Houston
for 22 of my 31 years and many of my childhood memories are of dining out and
experiencing new tastes here in Houston (first taste of bbq). I must have
missed the Farrell's in the Galleria, but we had a Farrell's in San Mateo,
California and it was _the_ place for birthday parties! "The Zoo" was
fantastic with all those little plastic animals all over the top! My dad got
an award for "making a pig of himself" by eating a treat called "The
Trough". My favorite place in the restaurant was the candy store at the
front... lots of licorice, candy buttons, bubble gum... a child's paradise!
Did the one here have a candy store in it?

Becky


Albert Nurick

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"Rebecca" <pink...@ev1.net> wrote in message news:3895EB18...@ev1.net...

> My favorite place in the restaurant was the candy store at the
> front... lots of licorice, candy buttons, bubble gum... a child's paradise!
> Did the one here have a candy store in it?

Yep. As a kid, I became fixated on one of their giant jawbreakers; it seemed
like it was the size of a tennis ball. Dad finally relented, and I worked on
that sickeningly-sweet object for a week. Ah, youth.

--
Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com>


RonDL

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Speaking of the Rice Hotel, anyone remember the Sunday Brunch Buffets at the
Warrick (R.I.P.) and then spending the afternoon either swimming in their
little lake called a swimming pool or if you were really lucky, you could watch
a waterskiing exhibition in their pool.

Ron.

Judy

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Did the Warwick have waterskiing in their pool? Or are you thinking of
the old (R.I.P.) Shamrock Hilton?

I actually stayed there a couple of nights in 1984 and was stunned at
the size of that pool.

Judy

Chris Marksberry

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RonDL wrote in message

>Speaking of the Rice Hotel, anyone remember the Sunday Brunch Buffets at
the
>Warrick (R.I.P.) and then spending the afternoon either swimming in their
>little lake called a swimming pool or if you were really lucky, you could
watch
>a waterskiing exhibition in their pool.
>

>Ron.

I have so many memories of the Warwick (do you mean the Warrack or
Warwick... not the spelling police, just trying to make sure I've got the
right hotel <g>).

Used to work for John Mecom when he owned US Oil of Louisiana and the
chandeliers from the hotel were disassembled and then cleaned in the
basement of US Oil's offices.

When I worked for the Mecoms (Sr. & Jr.) I used to go the "Milk Punch
Brunch" held annually for executive secretaries and administrative
assistants. Quite a soirée!

As recently as a couple of years ago, the company my husband works for held
their Christmas parties at the now Wyndham Warwick and going there again was
wonderful. So was the lobster bisque.

If I've got the wrong hotel, just think of me as Roseanne Roseannadana.
Never mind.

Chris in Houston
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Chris Marksberry

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Judy wrote in message

>Did the Warwick have waterskiing in their pool? Or are you thinking of
>the old (R.I.P.) Shamrock Hilton?
>
>I actually stayed there a couple of nights in 1984 and was stunned at
>the size of that pool.

Shame on me! I've lived in Houston almost all my life and had never been to
the Shamrock. Then it was too late. Sigh...

Wasn't part of Giant based on the Shamrock and Glen McCarthy? I think the
Jett Rink character was based on McCarthy's life. Probably semi-based?

Chris
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Jack Sloan

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I stayed a couple of times at the Maralisa Hotel in Acapulco owned by
the Warwick...also a nice place. Ate mostly at La Bellena next door and
the Pollo Kentukio Frito down the blvd.Talk about free range seagull,er
chicken.
Jack

Lazarus

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Yes it was the old Shamrock. My ex-wife's cousin (Cindy) used to be one of the skiers.

Lazarus

"Judy" <ju...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message news:38975430...@hal-pc.org...


> RonDL wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of the Rice Hotel, anyone remember the Sunday Brunch Buffets at the
> > Warrick (R.I.P.) and then spending the afternoon either swimming in their
> > little lake called a swimming pool or if you were really lucky, you could watch
> > a waterskiing exhibition in their pool.
>

> Did the Warwick have waterskiing in their pool? Or are you thinking of
> the old (R.I.P.) Shamrock Hilton?
>
> I actually stayed there a couple of nights in 1984 and was stunned at
> the size of that pool.
>

> Judy

RonDL

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I stand corrected it was the Shamrock.

Ron

Jim Riley

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On Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:02:13 -0600, "Chris Marksberry"
<cmark...@hickham.com> wrote:

>
>Rebecca wrote in message
>
>>And thinking about T&C "pre-mall" Center reminds me of the Romana's
>>cafeteria there.
>
>I remember when the now Luby's used to be Romano's (sp?), then were called
>Luby's /Romano, and now Luby's.
>

>I was curious if Phil Romano who started Romano's Macaroni Grill,
>Fuddrucker's (I think), Eatzi's, also started Luby's.

According to the history on their web page (http://www.lubys.com/),
Luby's was founded by Bob Luby in San Antonio in 1948. In 1965, their
first Houston restaurant was opened. The history says, "Company
officers decide to call the Houston cafeteria, Romana Cafeterias
until 1981", but gives no explanation.


RonDL

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At one time many years ago, Luby's and Romano's were competing cafeterias. I
don't remember if they merged or if Luby's purchased Romano's but they became
one company. For a time, they operated under two different names, but
eventually, Luby's either closed the Romano locations or changed the name to
Luby's.

Speaking of Old cafeterias, what about Albrittons.

Lance Hirsch

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It would appear that Luby's has always owned and operated Romano's
Cafeterias in Houston if there web page is correct. I don't think they
would open a cafeteria in Houston named Romano's in 1965 if there was
already oned named Romano's. Likewise, no one else would have post 1965.

So the Romano of Romano's Macaroni Grill probably has nothing to do with
Romano's Cafeteria?

I just noticed that it is RomanA Cafeteria not RomanO's I think Macaroni
Grill is RomanO.

???

Interesting.

Lance
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Casino Royale. Chapter VII

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Professor Vonroach

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On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:48:35 -0600, "Lance Hirsch"
<lhi...@attglobal.net> wrote:

>It would appear that Luby's has always owned and operated Romano's
>Cafeterias in Houston if there web page is correct. I don't think they
>would open a cafeteria in Houston named Romano's in 1965 if there was
>already oned named Romano's. Likewise, no one else would have post 1965.

Ate at Romano's for years before it took the name Luby's. In my
opinion it was a bit better in those days. Transition was not widely
advertised. One day it turned up as a Luby's (also a little better in
past.) I thought Weldon's on Main was very good, and Rice Hotel
Cafeteria was great. Alabama, Albritton's, and Cleburne also OK.

Ronald Kerr

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RonDL wrote:

> Speaking of Old cafeterias, what about Albrittons.
>

Wyatt's?

Ron Kerr.


Val

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z.z. zamora's.....in the montrose

"Lee S." wrote:

> Don't forget Across the Street for hamburgers on Hillcroft and Kaphans
> (sp?) for seafood near the med center
>
> Lee
>
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:12:00 GMT, Suburbio <suburb...@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
> >The other day I took a bite of a chicken tender at Pappadeux and the
> >flavor brought back a childhood memory of Youngblood's chicken in the
> >medical center. I started thinking about the places my family ate as a
> >child. Do these places sound familiar? (the spelling is questionable)
> >
> >Chicken: Youngbloods
> >Mexican: Felix, in Rice Village {still addicted to the queso (Soylent
> >Orange)}
> >Steak: Elliot's Steakhouse, on South Main; later, Look's, on Westheimer
> >Italian: Valian's, on South Main
> >Chinese: Lee's Den, on South Main
> >Hamburgers: Princes, on Holcombe (or was it Prices's?)
> >Barbeque: Cellar Door, on Holcombe at Stella Link
> >Seafood: Christies, on Main in the medical center {addicted to the fried
> >shrimp and remoulade sauce (Soylent Beige)}
> >
> >We ate out a lot but apparently not enough, all these locations are
> >gone. Sigh.
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.


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