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Kennon Baird

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Jan 11, 2001, 4:56:32 PM1/11/01
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* Hamburgers by Gourmet. Had at least two locations, one on Alabama
and one on Kirby, I believe. I loved the Hickory Burger.

* Rolando's Burger Factory - - Cheap, good eats.

* Alfred's in the Village - - A bowl of soup (served with a basket of
assorted breads) and a beer made a yummy inexpensive supper for
starving student types.

* Valian's, on South Main. I believe that was the place with the
stars painted on the ceiling.

* Cellar Door, on Stella Link - - It was our special-occasion
restaurant, circa 1975.

* Tin Tin, on Elgin near Milam - - Funky Chinese place from the 70s.
It was in a building that exploded sometime in the late 80s or early
90s.

* Zorba's (original location) Helena at Tuam - - I first went there in
'73. It was a little tumbledown shack, but crammed with people and
serving up great food. The building was so rotten that my foot
actually went through the floor one night.

Any others?

KB


Steve Cutchen

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Jan 11, 2001, 7:25:37 PM1/11/01
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k...@dnai.com (Kennon Baird) wrote:

> Any others?
>
> KB

Some Clear Lake additions:

* Shrimp Hut - Seabrook. Great lunch spot. Just good fried seafood.
Wonderful PoBoys.

* Flintlock Inn - NASA 1 where PuttPutt is now. THE place for spashdown
parties. Got national TV airtime in response to the following chalkboard
question from one of the Gemini flights: "Chris Craft, Are you a Turtle?"
Craft's response (paraphrased); "OK, guys, I'll meet you at the Flintlock
post flight."

Oh... and you bet your sweet ass I am.

* White Castle - YUP! We had one in front of El Lago on NASA 1. The
little burgers were OK... but the Monster Burger was my favorite. And
they had a real fountain where you could get ice cream sodas and the like.

* Vernon's Pizza - HWY 3 at NASA 1. This was a family-style pizza place.
One of my family's standbys.

* Hillman's Seafood - 146 under the Dickinson Bayou bridge. GREAT shrimp
cole slaw. I like this better than the original Clifton's in Bacliff.

* Eric's Crown and Anchor - NASA 1 in El Lago. Best place to take that
date for the proverbial Surf 'n Turf. Became Louie's on the Lake. Then,
what... Seabrook Beach Club or something like that? Louie's was an all
you can eat gig.

* Pier 8 - on the water between Taylor Lake and Clear Lake. Your basic
burger joint. A great place to dock and catch lunch when out water skiing.

Wilkinson

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Jan 11, 2001, 9:55:18 PM1/11/01
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Great list. But I think you need to add Marini's Empanada House to it...
Hot steaming empanadas in a variety of flavors, right next to the Udder
Delight Ice Cream Factory.

Wendy W.

A. Brain

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Jan 12, 2001, 4:36:50 AM1/12/01
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Starting with some traditional places:

There was a Cajun (?) place called Heberts' on San Jacinto, said to be quite
a place--it closed in the mid-'80s. And then there was Kaphan's on what,
Kirby and South Main, as well as the Black Angus on West Alabama and
Wesleyan. Allbritton's Cafeteria on Waugh Drive.
Maxim's in Greenway Plaza (that closed last Saturday--soon to
be a Pappas restaurant) was formerly at the corner of Milam and Lamar, on
the bottom floor of Foley's parking garage. That was later a hamburger
place.


Speaking of downtown, Chicago restauranteur Nick What's-his-name had a
branch of "Nick's Fishmarket" in the basement of First City Tower in the
early '80s boom years. Then he had Papou's on West Alabama where Complete
Cuisine catering is now. Both excellent by all reports--I can vouch for
Papou's.

D'Amico on Westheimer where there's now a Chinese place was chic for several
years, then it moved to Greenway Plaza, where it was Rao's. For a very
brief period, that same location was called "Mama's", now Los Andes.


Speaking of Pappas restaurants, one of their best conceptions, the Italian
Pappamia, had two locations, on Katy Freeway and Frostwood, and Richmond and
Unity. Those places were great; one of my neighbors who worked there
explained that they made money, just not as much as the other Pappas
restaurants. Too bad; these were perhaps the best Italian places in
Houston.

In my opinion the Thai House on Fondren was the best Thai in Houston. Even a
poor location--this was a crack area in the late '80s and early '90s--was
not enough to deter many fiercely loyal patrons. The owners sold the place
in 1998; the new owners got all the old recipes, but never got the beer and
wine license, so it was BYOB for a while. About the time that place failed,
the original owners opened Thai, Westheimer at Bering. Great place; don't
miss the soft-shell crab.

Sushi: Ginza Benkay at 5868 San Felipe was a favorite of mine for years.
When Japan Air Lines, allegedly the owner, sold the place in 1986, they
moved to New York and set up in the Essex House, Central Park South (no
longer there). There was some intrigue over the affiliations of the new
owners of the restaurant that is now "Ginza". One of the chefs at Benkay
opened his own place, Haruno, King's Ride and Frostwood, where his grand
opening attracted a huge crowd. Alas, the location and some legal problems
led to a closing a couple of years later. He's now at Kaneyama.

Tokyo Gardens was for many years the only sushi place inside the loop. It's
now gone, and one
of those tacky "extended stay" motels is in its place.

And while on the subject of tacky, what was the name of that place on lower
Westheimer--the Happy Buddha?

Finally, before Houston got all these great Italian places (and believe me,
we have as good as they have in New York, except for pizza and fast food
pizza/grinder/pasta places) there was Ballatori's in the East End, an
Italian place in an old bank building. Those old banks are usually great
for restaurants, but this location was hopeless.

Now, how about "doomed locations"?


--
A. Brain
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Larry Kessler

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On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 03:36:50 -0600, "A. Brain" wrote:

>Finally, before Houston got all these great Italian places (and believe me,
>we have as good as they have in New York, except for pizza and fast food
>pizza/grinder/pasta places) there was Ballatori's in the East End, an
>Italian place in an old bank building. Those old banks are usually great
>for restaurants, but this location was hopeless.
>
>Now, how about "doomed locations"?

There's a building on Bingle Rd. just north of the Spring Valley city
limit that's had so many different bars and eateries in it I can't
begin to count them. At the moment there's a barbecue place there,
according to the signs, but I've never seen it open.

Hane

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Jan 12, 2001, 3:22:38 PM1/12/01
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The Railhead on Richmond

Circus on Westheimer

The Foundry on Chimney Rock


"Jack Tyler" <market...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Red Baron on Richmond. Great steaks... er, I think they sold food.
>
> Bill Williams Drive Inn on South Main.... Good fried chicken
>
> White Horse Cellar downtown... fun happy hours
>
> elan.... "I love the night life... I got to boogie"
>
> Sonny Look's on South Main.... more great steaks
>
> Al Pliner's Club 88 on Hillcroft great piano bar
>
> Kaphan's on South Main.... steaks and seafood
>
> La Bastille on Old Market Square.... early "theme restaurant" of Ernie
> Criezes'
>
> Hebert's (A Bear's) in the 3rd Ward.... cheap home-type cooking
>
> Spanish Village on Almeda... cheap Mexican food
>
> Jack Tyler
> market...@ix.netcom.com
>
>
> Kennon Baird <k...@dnai.com> wrote in message
> news:3a5e27e6...@news.supernews.com...

Jack Tyler

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Jan 12, 2001, 3:24:54 PM1/12/01
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Red Baron on Richmond. Great steaks... er, I think they sold food.

Bill Williams Drive Inn on South Main.... Good fried chicken

White Horse Cellar downtown... fun happy hours

elan.... "I love the night life... I got to boogie"

Sonny Look's on South Main.... more great steaks

Al Pliner's Club 88 on Hillcroft great piano bar

Kaphan's on South Main.... steaks and seafood

La Bastille on Old Market Square.... early "theme restaurant" of Ernie
Criezes'

Hebert's (A Bear's) in the 3rd Ward.... cheap home-type cooking

Spanish Village on Almeda... cheap Mexican food

Jack Tyler
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Walker Mangum

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Jan 12, 2001, 3:34:18 PM1/12/01
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Nice job, Steve! The only other ones that I really miss are Joe Lee's
on the creek and the Steak-and-Shake that was on the corner of Bay Area
and El Camino (where Grandy's is now).

--
Walker Mangum
Clear Lake City


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Kelly Younger

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Jan 12, 2001, 5:24:37 PM1/12/01
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What about...

Ye Old College Inn on Main or Fannin.

Phil's, originally on Richmond and Mandell, moved to the
Shepherd/Greenbriar split and eventually became 59 Diner.

Who can forget two establishments that I never dined at, Simpson's Diner
and Art Wren's? (If anybody at St. Thomas High School was seen or
admitted to going in either one, they were dead men.)

While it's demise was rather recent in this historical context, I sure
miss Cite Grill (where the original Cafe Annie was located). It never
took off and was seldom crowded, but the food was most memorable. Bruce
Molzan was an ass for closing it, but I suppose it made financial sense.

Montclair Grill at Weslayan and Bissonnett (sp?). House specialty, an
open faced double meat hamburger topped with chili, cheese and onions,
served with fries. And it's so close to where Ken Hoffman lives now. Oh
well, sucks to him.

The Hoagie Shop (I believe) on Shepherd at Richmond, great hoagies.
Moved to that great restaurant cemetery, a building on Richmond and
Kirby (no longer there) that housed many short lived restaurant
ventures. It died peacefully. Nobody noticed.

There's one though, that I can't recall the name. It was in Montrose,
close to the original Zorba's. It was a Mexican restaurant that was
absolutely superb. I believe it might have been the first restaurant I
ever had enchiladas with tomatilla sauce. At any rate, the owner moved
it to a new building on Commonwealth (which is now an architectural
firm). Soon after that, he started alienating his gay clientele, which
was his core clientele at the old place, when he ran as a Republican for
city council, and was vehemently anti-gay. That's not smart.

Though it's moved and not much has changed, I liked Leo's when it was on
Shepherd.

Saving the best for last, Brittain's Broiler Burger on Westheimer
between Shepherd and Kirby. The best. (Bellaire Broiler Burger is an
acceptable substitute, but the choking smokers ruin it for me.)
--
Kelly Younger

Julia Dream

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Jan 12, 2001, 5:43:15 PM1/12/01
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Walker Mangum wrote:

You reminded me of the Steak and Shake on Memorial near Dairy Ashford... I
used to ride my bike there after school sometimes for a shake. They had
really good steak sandwiches.

Whiskey Barrel on Wilcrest, near Westheimer I think. They were known for
their "fowlburgers" but I liked their bbq sausage, and pork. Everything
smoked in an old whiskey barrel. I think they even sold the barrels.

Ari's Grenouille on Memorial near Dairy Ashford. Though my father used to
call them "one-sauce Ari's", I always liked them. First place I ever had
an escargot, I was about 10 years old. Spent an anniversary and a birthday
there. They re-opened a cafe under a different name on Shepherd I think
several years ago, but then that closed too.

The Cheese Shop in Town and Country Village. Good sandwiches. They kept
jars of Mister Mustard on the tables and I still buy the stuff in the
store. We'd usually stop in for lunch after shopping for clothes at
Chocolate Soup.

Does anyone remember the restaurants that occupied the little place on
Memorial and Kirkwood? I think there is a Vietnamese restaurant there now,
but back in the late '70s I believe it was The Lemon Tree (what type of
food was that?), then George's (which I *think* was Greek food? my older
sister worked there during that time). Then it was a Japanese restaurant
called Kyoto. That was the first Japanese food I'd ever had and I fell in
love with it! My first eel... yay! The owners' daughter, Chisono, was a
classmate of mine at Duchesne Academy for a short time and several times
we'd ride Metro after school for sodas there.

I'm just a sentimental old fool! :-)

Becky, who loves it when this topic comes around!


Julia Dream

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Jan 12, 2001, 5:50:39 PM1/12/01
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Kelly Younger wrote:

If it's the same place I'm thinking of, my parents sure missed it! Being
from Philly and not being able to satisfy their hoagie craving was a crying
shame.

>
>
> There's one though, that I can't recall the name. It was in Montrose,
> close to the original Zorba's. It was a Mexican restaurant that was
> absolutely superb. I believe it might have been the first restaurant I
> ever had enchiladas with tomatilla sauce. At any rate, the owner moved
> it to a new building on Commonwealth (which is now an architectural
> firm). Soon after that, he started alienating his gay clientele, which
> was his core clientele at the old place, when he ran as a Republican for
> city council, and was vehemently anti-gay. That's not smart.
>
> Though it's moved and not much has changed, I liked Leo's when it was on
> Shepherd.

I heard they were moving again from their Washington address. Anyone know
if they've moved yet, and if so, where?

>
>
> Saving the best for last, Brittain's Broiler Burger on Westheimer
> between Shepherd and Kirby. The best. (Bellaire Broiler Burger is an
> acceptable substitute, but the choking smokers ruin it for me.)
> --
> Kelly Younger

Bellaire Broiler Burger is a rather small place when there are smokers
there, but the times I've been it hasn't been crowded. Never having been to
Brittain's, I can't compare but I do believe that BBB's burgers kick ass!

Becky

Hane

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Jan 12, 2001, 5:54:38 PM1/12/01
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"Kelly Younger" <kyou...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> at Weslayan and Bissonnett (sp?).

This is so easy once you know the rule.
All consonants in Bissonnet are doubled except the first and last.

'welcome.

Typesetter Hane


Larry Kessler

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Jan 12, 2001, 5:41:07 PM1/12/01
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:24:37 GMT, Kelly Younger wrote:

>There's one though, that I can't recall the name. It was in Montrose,
>close to the original Zorba's. It was a Mexican restaurant that was
>absolutely superb. I believe it might have been the first restaurant I
>ever had enchiladas with tomatilla sauce. At any rate, the owner moved
>it to a new building on Commonwealth (which is now an architectural
>firm). Soon after that, he started alienating his gay clientele, which
>was his core clientele at the old place, when he ran as a Republican for
>city council, and was vehemently anti-gay. That's not smart.

Z. Z. Zamora's?

>Though it's moved and not much has changed, I liked Leo's when it was on
>Shepherd.

Is this the place on Washington now? I wasn't impressed.

Professor Vonroach

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Jan 12, 2001, 6:00:16 PM1/12/01
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 03:36:50 -0600, "A. Brain" <abr...@nospam.att.net>
wrote:

>Starting with some traditional places:
>
>There was a Cajun (?) place called Heberts' on San Jacinto, said to be quite
>a place--it closed in the mid-'80s. And then there was Kaphan's on what,
>Kirby and South Main, as well as the Black Angus on West Alabama and
>Wesleyan. Allbritton's Cafeteria on Waugh Drive.
>Maxim's in Greenway Plaza (that closed last Saturday--soon to
>be a Pappas restaurant) was formerly at the corner of Milam and Lamar, on
>the bottom floor of Foley's parking garage. That was later a hamburger
>place.
>

Not sure whether this is a personal reminiscence or you seek info?
Hebert's was a very well-known fancy stake house during the forties.
(A-Bears was the pronunciation included on the menu) Reservations were
required. It was generally regarded as Houston's best at that time.
The rotund friendly old white haired proprietor must have passed along
years ago. I believe but can not guarantee that the original Maxim's
downtown was descended from a fancy French restaurant on San Jacinto
near Capitol called `The Golden Pheasant'. The Pappas family
originally started running a coney island and beer parlor on Congress
and San Jacinto. They have spread widely since. The best known
cafeterias of the '40's were the Rice Cafeteria in the basement of the
Rice Hotel and Weldon's Cafeteria out on South Main Street just short
of the church district (It was `Massey Business College' at that
location later. Another great restaurant was Ernie Coker's `Ye Olde
College Inn' on east side of South Main Street at University Blvd.
where the old Rice athletic field was located. Houston's premier
restaurant at that time was `The San Jacinto Inn' on the San Jacinto
Battlegrounds beside the ship channel.

>Speaking of downtown, Chicago restauranteur Nick What's-his-name had a
>branch of "Nick's Fishmarket" in the basement of First City Tower in the
>early '80s boom years. Then he had Papou's on West Alabama where Complete
>Cuisine catering is now. Both excellent by all reports--I can vouch for
>Papou's.
>
>D'Amico on Westheimer where there's now a Chinese place was chic for several
>years, then it moved to Greenway Plaza, where it was Rao's. For a very
>brief period, that same location was called "Mama's", now Los Andes.
>

D'Amico's Italian Restaurant is located on Morningside near University
and is a very comfortable place.

Joe Matranga's in the 5th Ward was considered the best for many years.
Asarrela's was located on South Post Oak before there was a Galleria
or Loop 610. It reappeared years later far out on westside but didn't
seem the same to me. Actually, the East End around the old Eastwood
Theater was Houston's `Little Italy' for many years. Many italian
families still live in the area.

>Now, how about "doomed locations"?

Average life of a really good Houston restaurant seldom exceeds 25
years.

Steve Cutchen

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Jan 12, 2001, 6:10:22 PM1/12/01
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DOH! Joe Lee's! A serious oversight on my part. I absolutely agree.

Never tested the repast at Steak 'N Shake, though...

Kelly Younger

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Larry Kessler wrote:
>
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:24:37 GMT, Kelly Younger wrote:
>
> >There's one though, that I can't recall the name. It was in Montrose,
> >close to the original Zorba's. It was a Mexican restaurant that was
> >absolutely superb. I believe it might have been the first restaurant I
> >ever had enchiladas with tomatilla sauce. At any rate, the owner moved
> >it to a new building on Commonwealth (which is now an architectural
> >firm). Soon after that, he started alienating his gay clientele, which
> >was his core clientele at the old place, when he ran as a Republican for
> >city council, and was vehemently anti-gay. That's not smart.
>
> Z. Z. Zamora's?

Maybe.

> >Though it's moved and not much has changed, I liked Leo's when it was on
> >Shepherd.
>
> Is this the place on Washington now? I wasn't impressed.

Yeah, it is. Maybe it's nostalgia, since I ate at the Shepherd location,
years ago, many times a week, sometimes twice a day. The Reynosa family
kept this poor college kid fueled on tex-mex and margaritas for a
reasonable fee. I've been to the Washington location only a few times.
--
Kelly Younger

Kelly Younger

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Jan 12, 2001, 9:45:23 PM1/12/01
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The hoagie joint was run by a great big bearded guy and a smaller guy,
if that rings a bell. I can picture them in my mind even now.

Don't know about Leo's moving.

BBB does indeed kick ass. It's a little far for me to go for a burger
now, but I've taken my kids there a few times and they love it. Except
for the smoke.
--
Kelly Younger

Kennon Baird

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Jan 12, 2001, 10:15:56 PM1/12/01
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Julia Dream <pink...@ev1.net> wrote:

>Ari's Grenouille on Memorial near Dairy Ashford. Though my father used to
>call them "one-sauce Ari's", I always liked them. First place I ever had
>an escargot, I was about 10 years old. Spent an anniversary and a birthday
>there. They re-opened a cafe under a different name on Shepherd I think
>several years ago, but then that closed too.

Ari's original spot, as far as I know, was at the corner of Westheimer
and (I think) Yupon. First went there in Nov. of '72.

KB

Larry Kessler

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Jan 12, 2001, 10:01:37 PM1/12/01
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 23:00:16 GMT, vonr...@popd.ix.netcom.com wrote:

>Houston's premier restaurant at that time was `The San Jacinto
>Inn' on the San Jacinto Battlegrounds beside the ship channel.

I _really_ miss the SJI. Is there anything like it open these days?

Jack Sloan

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Jan 12, 2001, 9:43:04 PM1/12/01
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You guys DO know Joe Lee's is alive and kicking ( though Joe Lee
himself is not).
Jack

RonDL

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Jan 13, 2001, 1:28:21 PM1/13/01
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What wonderful memories...

What about...

Across The Street

Green Parrot

Rudi's

Delmonicos-not the one in the Westin Galleria

Ruby Reds

Bud Bigelows

What great memories,
Ron

Dave Garrett

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Jan 13, 2001, 2:16:42 PM1/13/01
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In article <3A5F83EB...@houston.rr.com>,
kyou...@houston.rr.com says...

> Who can forget two establishments that I never dined at, Simpson's Diner
> and Art Wren's? (If anybody at St. Thomas High School was seen or
> admitted to going in either one, they were dead men.)

Curiosity has gotten the better of me, so I have to ask why?
These two places were almost certainly before my time (I
graduated from STHS in 1982), but I'm still wondering why they
were _verboten_.

Dave

KBELL12345

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Jan 13, 2001, 2:46:49 PM1/13/01
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>These two places were almost certainly before my time (I
>graduated from STHS in 1982), but I'm still wondering why they
>were _verboten_.
>

They attracted a decidedly male clientele.

Professor Vonroach

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On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:43:15 -0600, Julia Dream <pink...@ev1.net>
wrote:

Would you settle for sentimental young fool?

Professor Vonroach

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On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:24:37 GMT, Kelly Younger
<kyou...@houston.rr.com> wrote:

>Kennon Baird wrote:
>>
>> * Hamburgers by Gourmet. Had at least two locations, one on Alabama
>> and one on Kirby, I believe. I loved the Hickory Burger.
>>
>> * Rolando's Burger Factory - - Cheap, good eats.
>>
>> * Alfred's in the Village - - A bowl of soup (served with a basket of
>> assorted breads) and a beer made a yummy inexpensive supper for
>> starving student types.

Borscht, plenty of red horseradish sauce and mustard to put on bread
if one wanted. Great sandwiches.

>> * Valian's, on South Main. I believe that was the place with the
>> stars painted on the ceiling.

Introduced Pizza to Houston.



>> * Cellar Door, on Stella Link - - It was our special-occasion
>> restaurant, circa 1975.
>>
>> * Tin Tin, on Elgin near Milam - - Funky Chinese place from the 70s.
>> It was in a building that exploded sometime in the late 80s or early
>> 90s.
>>
>> * Zorba's (original location) Helena at Tuam - - I first went there in
>> '73. It was a little tumbledown shack, but crammed with people and
>> serving up great food. The building was so rotten that my foot
>> actually went through the floor one night.

Small wonder, you are skating very near the 3rd Ward in that location.

>> Any others?

Ageless Alabama Ice House (on Alabama of course) which to be held
together by pictures on the wall.

Professor Vonroach

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 02:39:51 GMT, Kelly Younger
<kyou...@houston.rr.com> wrote:

>Larry Kessler wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:24:37 GMT, Kelly Younger wrote:
>>
>> >There's one though, that I can't recall the name. It was in Montrose,
>> >close to the original Zorba's. It was a Mexican restaurant that was
>> >absolutely superb. I believe it might have been the first restaurant I
>> >ever had enchiladas with tomatilla sauce. At any rate, the owner moved
>> >it to a new building on Commonwealth (which is now an architectural
>> >firm). Soon after that, he started alienating his gay clientele, which
>> >was his core clientele at the old place, when he ran as a Republican for
>> >city council, and was vehemently anti-gay. That's not smart.
>>
>> Z. Z. Zamora's?
>
>Maybe.
>
>> >Though it's moved and not much has changed, I liked Leo's when it was on
>> >Shepherd.

With the latin nightclub in back with a mariachi band and absurd
drinks like a Volcano?

Professor Vonroach

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No

Guy

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Wow, the San Jacinto Inn .. I'd forgotten about that, a fond
childhood memory. I wouldn't rate the food above many places
around nowadays, but it was competent and the atmosphere
was neat, especially before they rebuilt it after the fire. To
go there today would be like time travel back to the 40's.
It was fun going there and visiting the battleship Texas with
my uncle, who served on it sometime in the 30's or 40's.

Recently tried to go back to another childhood memory, the
Swiss Chalet, only to discover that it closed last year. <sigh>

Valian's (already mentioned) by the Shamrock Hotel was fun
for the decor (this was the old days, remember) as much as
for the food. There was a Trader Vic's in the Shamrock, but
I don't remember if I went there as a kid.

Ming Palace in River Oaks Center was popular ... supposedly
it was the oldest Chinese restaurant in Houston while it was
functioning.

How about the original James Coney Island downtown? That
is a wonderful memory, especially before the advent of
"squeeze cheese" on the chili dogs! :-) Can you still buy
those "bricks" of chili at the other locations to take home?

Professor Vonroach

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 02:45:23 GMT, Kelly Younger
<kyou...@houston.rr.com> wrote:

>> > Who can forget two establishments that I never dined at, Simpson's Diner
>> > and Art Wren's? (If anybody at St. Thomas High School was seen or
>> > admitted to going in either one, they were dead men.)

Why? Simpson's Diner was just and old style dinner (in streamlined
rail car ala 1930) down on Main St. near Humble Bldg.

s...@merritt.houston.tx.us

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Professor Vonroach <vonr...@popd.ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> Why? Simpson's Diner was just and old style dinner (in
> streamlined rail car ala 1930) down on Main St. near
> Humble Bldg.

Or the recreated one on Westheimer near Fondren.
But then they went and futzed with the menu and
then they went away. Which got replaced by a
horrible Princes. (I can't stand that one, nor
the one on I-10. the only one I like is on 59,
and I actually really like that one.)


Sam

Kelly Younger

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Back in '69 (the irony drips...) when I graduated, these two places were
regarded as queer joints. There weren't gay folks back then.
Lest anyone be offended by my characterization, please rest assured that
I am, indeed, a great fan of homosexuality. I liked anything that
increased my odds with women.
--
Kelly Younger

Scott Zrubek

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In article <3A5FC0B8...@hal-pc.org>, Jack Sloan
<jqs...@hal-pc.org> wrote:

>You guys DO know Joe Lee's is alive and kicking ( though Joe Lee
>himself is not).
>Jack
>
>Steve Cutchen wrote:
>>
>> DOH! Joe Lee's! A serious oversight on my part. I absolutely agree.
>>
>> Never tested the repast at Steak 'N Shake, though...
>>
>> Walker Mangum <wal...@nwmangum.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Nice job, Steve! The only other ones that I really miss are Joe Lee's
>> > on the creek and the Steak-and-Shake that was on the corner of Bay Area
>> > and El Camino (where Grandy's is now).
>> >

Darn, I don't remember the Steak N shake. What were the colors of the
joint?

Scott,
Clear Lake area resident since 1966

>> > --
>> > Walker Mangum
>> > Clear Lake City
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent via Deja.com
>> > http://www.deja.com/

--
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Steve Cutchen

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Scott Zrubek <sco...@itmm.com> wrote:

> In article <3A5FC0B8...@hal-pc.org>, Jack Sloan
> <jqs...@hal-pc.org> wrote:
>
> >You guys DO know Joe Lee's is alive and kicking ( though Joe Lee
> >himself is not).
> >Jack
> >
> >Steve Cutchen wrote:
> >>
> >> DOH! Joe Lee's! A serious oversight on my part. I absolutely agree.
> >>
> >> Never tested the repast at Steak 'N Shake, though...
> >>
> >> Walker Mangum <wal...@nwmangum.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Nice job, Steve! The only other ones that I really miss are Joe Lee's
> >> > on the creek and the Steak-and-Shake that was on the corner of Bay Area
> >> > and El Camino (where Grandy's is now).
> >> >
>
> Darn, I don't remember the Steak N shake. What were the colors of the
> joint?
>
> Scott,
> Clear Lake area resident since 1966

I think it was white and chrome with black accents... but that is an old
memory. Walter can probably give a better picture.

BTW, I moved to El Lago in 1966 as a 4th grader. CLHS 1974.
My brother Brian was born in 1966. My sister Leslie in 1963.
Crossed paths?

---Steve Cutchen

RAMBLER32

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>> Darn, I don't remember the Steak N shake. What were the colors of the
>> joint?
>>
>> Scott,
>> Clear Lake area resident since 1966
>
>I think it was white and chrome with black accents... but that is an old
>memory.

I remember the black and white color scheme - Also the seating was such that
the patron could view food preparation - ahead of their times in that respect.
The slogan I remember was "In sight - must be right". They had a unique method
for cooking their hamburgers. They took a cube of ground meat, put it on the
grill and mashed it flat and round with a spatula as it cooked. Their burgers
were crispy on the outside and tastier than most. They also did nice crispy
hash browns. I was sorry when they closed. It was fun watching them cook but I
know some people who said they just as well preferred not watching the cooking.

Shirley

zacklh

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Remember Yamin's sandwich shop on Hillcroft? Great sandwiches, early to mid
70's as I recall.
"Kennon Baird" <k...@dnai.com> wrote in message
news:3a5e27e6...@news.supernews.com...

> * Hamburgers by Gourmet. Had at least two locations, one on Alabama
> and one on Kirby, I believe. I loved the Hickory Burger.
>
> * Rolando's Burger Factory - - Cheap, good eats.
>
> * Alfred's in the Village - - A bowl of soup (served with a basket of
> assorted breads) and a beer made a yummy inexpensive supper for
> starving student types.
>
> * Valian's, on South Main. I believe that was the place with the
> stars painted on the ceiling.
>
> * Cellar Door, on Stella Link - - It was our special-occasion
> restaurant, circa 1975.
>
> * Tin Tin, on Elgin near Milam - - Funky Chinese place from the 70s.
> It was in a building that exploded sometime in the late 80s or early
> 90s.
>
> * Zorba's (original location) Helena at Tuam - - I first went there in
> '73. It was a little tumbledown shack, but crammed with people and
> serving up great food. The building was so rotten that my foot
> actually went through the floor one night.
>
> Any others?
>
> KB
>
>


Professor Vonroach

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On 13 Jan 2001 19:46:49 GMT, kbell...@aol.comsearch (KBELL12345)
wrote:

Simpson's Diner on Main across from Humble Bldg. Someone fed you a
line. It was just a old style diner.

Professor Vonroach

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You are also hanging a false report on a Main Street diner open since
the '30's. Popular for breakfast on way to work and perhaps a sandwich
at lunch time.
The only joint downtown that fit your description was the `Pink
Elephant' over off San Jacinto - definitely a joint to be avoided.

Professor Vonroach

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On 13 Jan 2001 18:28:21 GMT, ro...@aol.com (RonDL) wrote:

>What wonderful memories...
>
>What about...
>
>Across The Street
>
>Green Parrot

The last gasp in Riverside

>Rudi's

On South Main, before the move.

>Delmonicos-not the one in the Westin Galleria
>
>Ruby Reds
>
>Bud Bigelows
>
>What great memories,
>Ron

And The Last Concert on Nanse Ave in the early '50's

The Sandwich Shop tea room on South Main.

2-K's deli on South Main.

Empire Room at Rice Hotel.

Ship Ahoy - fairly good seafood run by Chinese fellow, later moved
across from Metropolitan Theater to Med. Center. Older than Ming
Palace. (This site on Main was where replacement crew for recently
lost Cruiser Houston, was sworn in as a body by Sect. of Navy Knox.)

Pier 21

Several excellent restaurants in downtown department stores. Men's
Grill at Foleys.

Kelly Younger

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Perception and reality are very often confused. Notice, I said I never
dined there. And, since high school, I wouldn't even consider "avoiding"
a restaurant with a predominantly gay clientele if the food was good.
Ever gone to Ninfa's on Navigation on a Sunday night? I do.
--
Kelly Younger

Professor Vonroach

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>Kelly Younger
No, don't care for Ninfa's fare. My `perception' is not confused over
the reality of your false accusation about a very old Houston cafe,
which is no longer around in its original location and format. A tiny
population of homosexuals existed in Houston centered in a few places
like the Pink Elephant until the emergence of the homosexual community
and its agenda along Montrose Ave. in late '70's and early '80's. You
discuss eras that you had no experience with. There is now a wide
perfusion of homosexual slanted restaurants in the areas around
Montrose and Shepherd in Houston's near-in Southwest side. Like the
Salt and Pepper lounges and afterhours night life of the 3 rd Ward
area in Houston's past, Simpson's railcar diner on Main ceased to
exist long ago.

Walker Mangum

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In article <3A5FC0B8...@hal-pc.org>,
Jack Sloan <jqs...@hal-pc.org> wrote:
> You guys DO know Joe Lee's is alive and kicking ( though Joe Lee
> himself is not).

Yes -- we have been to the one on FM2094 many times. It just isn't the
same -- the menu is very limited as compared to the original. In fact,
the new Joe Lee's does not even remind me of the original, other than in
name.

Alive: yes
Kicking: hmmm.....

--
Walker Mangum
Clear Lake City (since 1979)

Larry Kessler

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:39:40 GMT, vonr...@popd.ix.netcom.com wrote:

>No, don't care for Ninfa's fare.

That's too bad, because the consensus in here is that the Navigation
Rd. location is the only Ninfa's that's still any good. All the other
stores in the chain have been thoroughly ruined by the company that
bought them out from the Laurenzos.

On the upside, El Tiempo Cantina, on Richmond between Kirby and
Buffalo Speedway, is owned and run by the Laurenzos and is every bit
as good, if not better, than the original Ninfa's ever was.

>A tiny population of homosexuals existed in Houston centered in a few
>places like the Pink Elephant until the emergence of the homosexual
>community and its agenda along Montrose Ave. in late '70's and early
>'80's.

They were always here in significant (not "tiny") numbers, but nearly
all in the closet so you didn't notice them.

>There is now a wide
>perfusion of homosexual slanted restaurants in the areas around
>Montrose and Shepherd in Houston's near-in Southwest side.

Sounds like the "agenda" is yours. The word you meant to use is
"profusion."

Jack Tyler

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A great loss, Hillman's under the bridge in Dickinson, has been closed for
several years (they're still open, but only to sell fresh seafood). No
longer can we eat the crabs, etc. on newspapers in the restaurant.

Steve Cutchen <scut...@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:D8E7D97CB5595674.F36D1930...@lp.airnews.net...
> k...@dnai.com (Kennon Baird) wrote:
>
> > Any others?
> >
> > KB
>
> Some Clear Lake additions:
>
> * Shrimp Hut - Seabrook. Great lunch spot. Just good fried seafood.
> Wonderful PoBoys.
>
> * Flintlock Inn - NASA 1 where PuttPutt is now. THE place for spashdown
> parties. Got national TV airtime in response to the following chalkboard
> question from one of the Gemini flights: "Chris Craft, Are you a Turtle?"
> Craft's response (paraphrased); "OK, guys, I'll meet you at the Flintlock
> post flight."
>
> Oh... and you bet your sweet ass I am.
>
> * White Castle - YUP! We had one in front of El Lago on NASA 1. The
> little burgers were OK... but the Monster Burger was my favorite. And
> they had a real fountain where you could get ice cream sodas and the like.
>
> * Vernon's Pizza - HWY 3 at NASA 1. This was a family-style pizza place.
> One of my family's standbys.
>
> * Hillman's Seafood - 146 under the Dickinson Bayou bridge. GREAT shrimp
> cole slaw. I like this better than the original Clifton's in Bacliff.
>
> * Eric's Crown and Anchor - NASA 1 in El Lago. Best place to take that
> date for the proverbial Surf 'n Turf. Became Louie's on the Lake. Then,
> what... Seabrook Beach Club or something like that? Louie's was an all
> you can eat gig.
>
> * Pier 8 - on the water between Taylor Lake and Clear Lake. Your basic
> burger joint. A great place to dock and catch lunch when out water
skiing.


Frank Mancuso

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I read these late, but have a few to throw in:

The Hickory Stick on Telephone(?) near Gulfgate-probably the first time I
remember eating BBQ.
Cyclone Anaya's-Durham near Washington-if it was your birthday, you got
the tequila shot into your mouth from across the room!

Kaphan's-went there my whole life-Sunday afternoons-great seafood & great
waiters. Little known facts-they had a baseball museum in the front, and
they were one of the very first restaurants in Houston to allow blacks to
dine with everyone else.

Houlihans-great burgers-I think it was in The Montrose area, but I'm not
sure.
The Alpine Inn on Telephone Rd.-German restaurant.

The Dinner Bell-bluehair cafeteria, but had decent food. It very well may
still be there-they had great pies! (Wayside @ Lawndale)

Monterrey House ( The original ones!)-I'd probably never eat there now,
but it was my first exposure to Mexican food as a kid.

Kennon Baird wrote:

> * Hamburgers by Gourmet. Had at least two locations, one on Alabama
> and one on Kirby, I believe. I loved the Hickory Burger.
>
> * Rolando's Burger Factory - - Cheap, good eats.
>
> * Alfred's in the Village - - A bowl of soup (served with a basket of
> assorted breads) and a beer made a yummy inexpensive supper for
> starving student types.
>
> * Valian's, on South Main. I believe that was the place with the
> stars painted on the ceiling.
>
> * Cellar Door, on Stella Link - - It was our special-occasion
> restaurant, circa 1975.
>
> * Tin Tin, on Elgin near Milam - - Funky Chinese place from the 70s.
> It was in a building that exploded sometime in the late 80s or early
> 90s.
>
> * Zorba's (original location) Helena at Tuam - - I first went there in
> '73. It was a little tumbledown shack, but crammed with people and
> serving up great food. The building was so rotten that my foot
> actually went through the floor one night.
>
> Any others?
>
> KB

--
Frank Mancuso
Saint Arnold Brewing Company
Austin/San Antonio Office
512-916-4565 v/fx
fr...@saintarnold.com
http://www.saintarnold.com


Professor Vonroach

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:36:25 GMT, Frank Mancuso
<fr...@saintarnold.com> wrote:

>I read these late, but have a few to throw in:
>
>The Hickory Stick on Telephone(?) near Gulfgate-probably the first time I
>remember eating BBQ.

Probably never got an opportunity to taste the real thing at Matt
Garner's BBQ on West Gray in 4th Ward.

Telephone Rd - Telewink was fair cafe about time the Java Jive was a
popular song.

Then there was the Pig 'n Chick at Telephone and Park Place.

Bringing to mind the Chicken Shack at OST and Long Dr.

And Bill Williams' second Chicken Shack on OST opposite McGregor Park.

I'm not even sure I'd stop to change a flat in those areas anymore.
Definitely `20th century' history.

Professor Vonroach

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:22:32 -0600, "Jack Tyler"
<market...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>A great loss, Hillman's under the bridge in Dickinson, has been closed for
>several years (they're still open, but only to sell fresh seafood). No
>longer can we eat the crabs, etc. on newspapers in the restaurant.

True, didn't they go fancy and open a restaurant on Bay that burned?


Professor Vonroach

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:59:37 GMT, Larry Kessler
<l_k_e_s_s_l_e_r@w_t_._n_e_t> wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:39:40 GMT, vonr...@popd.ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
>>No, don't care for Ninfa's fare.
>
>That's too bad, because the consensus in here is that the Navigation
>Rd. location is the only Ninfa's that's still any good. All the other
>stores in the chain have been thoroughly ruined by the company that
>bought them out from the Laurenzos.
>
>On the upside, El Tiempo Cantina, on Richmond between Kirby and
>Buffalo Speedway, is owned and run by the Laurenzos and is every bit
>as good, if not better, than the original Ninfa's ever was.

Odd - in Mexico many folks flock to `American restaurants'.

>>A tiny population of homosexuals existed in Houston centered in a few
>>places like the Pink Elephant until the emergence of the homosexual
>>community and its agenda along Montrose Ave. in late '70's and early
>>'80's.
>
>They were always here in significant (not "tiny") numbers, but nearly
>all in the closet so you didn't notice them.

Possibly true, but not in the numbers you imply.

>>There is now a wide
>>perfusion of homosexual slanted restaurants in the areas around
>>Montrose and Shepherd in Houston's near-in Southwest side.
>
>Sounds like the "agenda" is yours. The word you meant to use is
>"profusion."

Perfusion is a medical term meaning to slowly administer or infiltrate
as intravenous, subcutaneous, etc. This was my meaning. Profusion also
fits - numerous, varied, often flamboyant.

Their agenda does not appeal to me and I'm willing to wager nearly as
many others as the leaders like to imply. This is not a subject
apropos to `houston.eat', so I'll bid adieu.

Red Rose

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Jan 15, 2001, 11:17:09 PM1/15/01
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No one has mentioned Night Hawk. Remember their steaks on Westheimer,
near Fondren?

How about Boston Sea Party? What a feast.

Pretty good steak served at eve's -- a nightclub across from the
Galleria, where the JW Marriott now stands.

Red Rose

RonDL wrote:
>
> What wonderful memories...
>
> What about...
>
> Across The Street
>
> Green Parrot
>

> Rudi's

Steve Cutchen

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In article <3a6d883a...@NNTP.ix.netcom.com>,
vonr...@popd.ix.netcom.com (Professor Vonroach) wrote:

I'd bet you're thinking of the original Clifton's in Bacliff.


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Jack Sloan

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Steve , they did open a small rest. on the bay in San Leon. Don't
remember it burning tho. The old one on the dock had the best deep fried
crabs (in the shell). Grammaw Hillman would circulate among the diners
giving out free advice on how one should "use it or lose it" . She
claimed she hadn't lost it at about 85. After the crowd was gone they
cleaned the place up by hosing down the tables and floor. Runoff went
right under the dock.

Walker Mangum

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Jan 16, 2001, 8:39:04 AM1/16/01
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Hillman's Restaurant in San Leon is also gone. There is now a private
residence at the location, with no hint of a restaurant ever having been
there.

It was Clifton's that burned a few years back. Clifton's has reopened
in a retro-style diner-type building. Haven't been there though -- if
we go to Bacliff, we go to the Boathouse.

--
Walker Mangum
Houston, TX

K Rook

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Jan 16, 2001, 10:26:24 AM1/16/01
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It was on Westhiemer, near Bagby. I had almost forgotten about that place.

Frank Mancuso wrote:

> I read these late, but have a few to throw in:
>
>

Marty Merritt

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Jan 16, 2001, 1:36:16 PM1/16/01
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In article <3a5e27e6...@news.supernews.com>, k...@dnai.com (Kennon
Baird) wrote:

> * Hamburgers by Gourmet. Had at least two locations, one on Alabama
> and one on Kirby, I believe. I loved the Hickory Burger.
>
> * Rolando's Burger Factory - - Cheap, good eats.
>
> * Alfred's in the Village - - A bowl of soup (served with a basket of
> assorted breads) and a beer made a yummy inexpensive supper for
> starving student types.
>
> * Valian's, on South Main. I believe that was the place with the
> stars painted on the ceiling.
>
> * Cellar Door, on Stella Link - - It was our special-occasion
> restaurant, circa 1975.
>
> * Tin Tin, on Elgin near Milam - - Funky Chinese place from the 70s.
> It was in a building that exploded sometime in the late 80s or early
> 90s.
>
> * Zorba's (original location) Helena at Tuam - - I first went there in
> '73. It was a little tumbledown shack, but crammed with people and
> serving up great food. The building was so rotten that my foot

> actually went through the floor one night.


What a fun thread! I remember most of these, and still miss Ruby Red's at
Main and Greenbriar, where one ate salted peanuts and threw the shells on
the floor while waiting for one's "steakburger."

A couple of additions to the discussions: Valian's survived until I was
in college (barely). The room with the "stars painted on the ceiling"
actually was a black velvet ceiling with tiny white light bulbs. They
also had a waiting room that looked like an Italian street from Romeo and
Juliet. Last time I was there, circa 1981, I was horrified to notice that
the pizza tasted EXACTLY like frozen pizza.

There were a few Steak n Shake's in town until 1980 or so. I remember
both the Westheimer and Clear Lake locations. Their color scheme is
black and white checkerboard pattern with red accents. They are still
thriving in the Midwest and some of the northern South (Missouri,
Tennessee, Iowa, Arkansas, etc.) Whenever my travels take me through a
state that has them I always stop and fill out the little comment card
begging them to return to Texas. Missouri is especially full of them and
you can find their locations on their web site (www.steaknshake.com, I
believe.)

And the original Hobbit Hole.

I know I've said this before, but if you can get your hands on a copy of
the Texas Monthly Guidebook to Houston, 1981 edition, you can have
yourself a good cry. More than half of the restaurants listed, most with
substantial virtues, are long gone.

In general, even with all this late-90's prosperity, I find the Houston
restaurant scene of today a bleak, overpriced, atmosphere-free wasteland
compared with the late 70's/early 80's. I would be ecstatic if people
would make suggestions to prove me wrong.

In fact, I liked almost *everything* about Houston better in 1981 than I
do now. That's progress for you, or at least the slow birth of a
humorless old f*rt!


Marty

Albert Nurick

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"Red Rose" <pine...@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:3A63CB45...@swbell.net...

> How about Boston Sea Party? What a feast.

Yep. Major seafood overload. Other missed seafood spots
include the San Jacinto Inn and Pier 21.

The one place I'd love to bring back is Los Troncos, with
all its weird twists and turns and cozy little rooms. I
was a child when I last went, but think it would be very
cool today.

--
Albert Nurick
alb...@nurick.com

Albert Nurick

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"Frank Mancuso" <fr...@saintarnold.com> wrote in message
news:3A637A7B...@saintarnold.com...

> Kaphan's-went there my whole life-Sunday afternoons-great seafood & great
> waiters. Little known facts-they had a baseball museum in the front, and
> they were one of the very first restaurants in Houston to allow blacks to
> dine with everyone else.

I'd take my parents and my Great Aunt there frequently. A wonderful
tradition upscale Gulf Coast seafood establishment. I loved their
Redfish Ponchatrain.

Before they closed, they were doing very little business in the main
dining room; I was probably the only patron under 60. But they seemed
to be doing a thriving business in their meeting rooms at the back of
the store.

I wonder what happened to the baseball memorabilia?

--
Albert Nurick
alb...@nurick.com

Larry Kessler

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Jan 16, 2001, 5:40:43 PM1/16/01
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Anyone remember Jade Dragon? Pretty good Chinese place on lower
Westheimer.

Donald Graham

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Jan 17, 2001, 11:25:23 AM1/17/01
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When I was a kid in the '40's(choke), while my momma was shopping
downtown, my dad would go to Kelly's and have a quick brew and I would
have a Coke. Later, there was a Kelly's on south Main. As I remember, the
original Kelly's downtown made pretty good hamburgers. Don Graham

Kennon Baird wrote:

> * Hamburgers by Gourmet. Had at least two locations, one on Alabama
> and one on Kirby, I believe. I loved the Hickory Burger.
>
> * Rolando's Burger Factory - - Cheap, good eats.
>
> * Alfred's in the Village - - A bowl of soup (served with a basket of
> assorted breads) and a beer made a yummy inexpensive supper for
> starving student types.
>
> * Valian's, on South Main. I believe that was the place with the
> stars painted on the ceiling.
>
> * Cellar Door, on Stella Link - - It was our special-occasion
> restaurant, circa 1975.
>
> * Tin Tin, on Elgin near Milam - - Funky Chinese place from the 70s.
> It was in a building that exploded sometime in the late 80s or early
> 90s.
>
> * Zorba's (original location) Helena at Tuam - - I first went there in
> '73. It was a little tumbledown shack, but crammed with people and
> serving up great food. The building was so rotten that my foot
> actually went through the floor one night.
>

> Any others?
>
> KB

Eponymy

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Jan 17, 2001, 1:53:26 PM1/17/01
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> The Hoagie Shop (I believe) on Shepherd at Richmond, great hoagies. > Moved
to that great restaurant cemetery, a building on Richmond and
> Kirby (no longer there) that housed many short lived restaurant
> ventures. It died peacefully. Nobody noticed.

> If it's the same place I'm thinking of, my parents sure missed it! Being
> from Philly and not being able to satisfy their hoagie craving was a crying
shame.

>The hoagie joint was run by a great big bearded guy and a smaller guy,
>if that rings a bell. I can picture them in my mind even now.

I recall the bearded guy bellowing out your order in foghorn fashion "cheese
steak"

K Rook

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Jan 17, 2001, 3:30:21 PM1/17/01
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As I remember it (and most of my memories of that place are sort of , er, Foggy at
best), the bearded guy was a trained opera singer. He took up the hoagie business
after he retired. I also seem to remember many autographed pics on the walls from
opera stars and other musical types.

He did have an awesome voice. I wouldn't call it 'foghorn' in any sense other
than it was very loud.

Professor Vonroach

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Jan 17, 2001, 5:49:31 PM1/17/01
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:25:23 GMT, Donald Graham
<DGraham...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>When I was a kid in the '40's(choke), while my momma was shopping
>downtown, my dad would go to Kelly's and have a quick brew and I would
>have a Coke. Later, there was a Kelly's on south Main. As I remember, the
>original Kelly's downtown made pretty good hamburgers. Don Graham

Yes, indeed, an fine old steak house, bar, and oyster bar. Located on
south side of Texas Ave. across from the Rice Hotel. The building on
south Main where Kelly's opened a second place was still there last
time I was by. Many people have tried that location. The neighborhood
unfortunately is decaying.

One of best Steak houses going. Perhaps not quite on a par with
Hebert's - also of that era in last century.

Larry Kessler

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Jan 17, 2001, 7:29:36 PM1/17/01
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On 17 Jan 2001 18:53:26 GMT, epo...@aol.com (Eponymy) wrote:

>I recall the bearded guy bellowing out your order in foghorn fashion "cheese
>steak"

Can you get a decent cheesesteak here in Houston anywhere?

Bruce Reistle

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Jan 17, 2001, 8:16:46 PM1/17/01
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Village Pizza & Seafood makes an adequate cheesesteak. I've
yet to have a decent hoagie, though. And po-boys are vastly
inferior to quality hoagies, kinda like frozen pizza when
you're used to real pizza.

Bruce Reistle

s...@merritt.houston.tx.us

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Jan 17, 2001, 8:41:48 PM1/17/01
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Larry Kessler <l_k_e_s_s_l_e_r@w_t_._n_e_t> wrote:

> Can you get a decent cheesesteak here in Houston anywhere?

Waffle House has the 'Texas Cheesesteak'.
While its certainly not what you think of as a cheesesteak,
it is one of the most kick ass things on this planet.

They take like a ribeye or something, grill it with onions,
chop them up together, and then put em on their toast thats
slathered in butter with some cheese. Served with hashbrowns
(I like mine scattered, smothered, and covered), it can't be
beat. And then since the wife is predictable and always gets
something with grits, I have those as dessert.


Mmmmm,


Sam

Rex McCall

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Jan 17, 2001, 9:36:48 PM1/17/01
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"Professor Vonroach" <vonr...@popd.ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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: On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:25:23 GMT, Donald Graham

Kelly's. Who can forget going in the dining room area with the tiny sparkle
lights in the ceiling? What a way to impress a first date.

Rex McCall


Professor Vonroach

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Jan 18, 2001, 7:44:31 AM1/18/01
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:16:46 -0600, Bruce Reistle <brei...@pdq.net>
wrote:

Folks from the anal region of the USA around Philadelphia where they
think a pretzel and mustard is a real treat, often don't appreciate
the variety and quality of Houston's restaurants. Any folks that
pound the bejesus out of a piece of tough steak, plaster it with
cheese and declare it a `delicacy' have never had the pleasure of a
real Steak. And folks that argue about the merits of po-boys, hoagies,
and pizza have very bored pedestrian tongues. Wake up folks, and
smell the coffee, you don't have to eat that crap anymore.

Professor Vonroach

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Jan 18, 2001, 7:48:21 AM1/18/01
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:36:48 -0600, "Rex McCall" <mcc...@wonder.net>
wrote:

Rex, if you really wanted to make a first impression, I would have
suggested dining and dancing at the Empire Room in those days, perhaps
the Emerald Room, later.

Professor Vonroach

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Jan 18, 2001, 7:55:16 AM1/18/01
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On 18 Jan 2001 01:41:48 GMT, s...@merritt.houston.tx.us wrote:

>Larry Kessler <l_k_e_s_s_l_e_r@w_t_._n_e_t> wrote:
>
>> Can you get a decent cheesesteak here in Houston anywhere?
>
>Waffle House has the 'Texas Cheesesteak'.
>While its certainly not what you think of as a cheesesteak,
>it is one of the most kick ass things on this planet.
>
>They take like a ribeye or something, grill it with onions,
>chop them up together, and then put em on their toast thats
>slathered in butter with some cheese. Served with hashbrowns
>(I like mine scattered, smothered, and covered), it can't be
>beat.

It probably was to make it tender.

>And then since the wife is predictable and always gets
>something with grits, I have those as dessert.

Ah, now the little lady has real taste. Grits can't be beat, though
they are better if fluffed up just a tad!

>Mmmmm,
>
>Sam

Sam, I somehow have the impression that you would really go for a big
chicken-fried steak hanging over the edges of the plate.

Bruce Reistle

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Jan 18, 2001, 7:56:52 AM1/18/01
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Actually, Roachboy, one of the pleasures of travelling around
the country is trying the regional specialties. One of the
best regions for turning crappy meat into a delicacy
is...right here in Houston. Chicken fried steak and fajitas
come to mind; both use meats that aren't top shelf, but the
results can be superb.

Bruce Reistle

Rex McCall

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Jan 18, 2001, 9:35:37 AM1/18/01
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extraneous stuff snipped out

with
: >: Hebert's - also of that era in last century.
: >
: >Kelly's. Who can forget going in the dining room area with the tiny
sparkle
: >lights in the ceiling? What a way to impress a first date.
: >
: >Rex McCall
: >
: Rex, if you really wanted to make a first impression, I would have
: suggested dining and dancing at the Empire Room in those days, perhaps
: the Emerald Room, later.

I grew up north of Houston. It was always a treat to go to the old Kelly's
Corral when my family went down to Houston for a one or two day shopping
spree or football game. Later, when I started branching out alone, it was
still one of my favorites. Didn't move to Houston till 1973////

Rex


Lance Hirsch

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Jan 18, 2001, 1:43:52 PM1/18/01
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The Dinner Bell is still there.

Most likely the same decor and staff as last time you were there.

Lance
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> I read these late, but have a few to throw in:
>

MareCat

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Jan 18, 2001, 9:18:47 PM1/18/01
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Wrong on all counts--as usual, Roachbait.

Just because I look for "real" pizza and cheesesteaks down here doesn't mean
I don't appreciate the variety and quality of Houston restaurants. I love
the restaurants down here. But since I grew up eating really good NY pizza
and cheesesteaks, I'd like to be able to find that once in awhile (no
different from someone from N. Carolina looking for NC BBQ, someone from
Chicago looking for Chicago-style pizza, someone from the UK looking for
authentic fish and chips...). Those of us from PA do appreciate good
restaurants, and believe me, we've got our share of them up there.

Mary--who eats a lot more than just pizza and cheesesteaks--Sheesh!
--
Go Giants!!!!

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Professor Vonroach

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Jan 19, 2001, 6:56:00 PM1/19/01
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On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 02:18:47 GMT, "MareCat" <mar...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

>Wrong on all counts--as usual, Roachbait.
>
>Just because I look for "real" pizza and cheesesteaks down here doesn't mean
>I don't appreciate the variety and quality of Houston restaurants. I love
>the restaurants down here. But since I grew up eating really good NY pizza
>and cheesesteaks, I'd like to be able to find that once in awhile (no
>different from someone from N. Carolina looking for NC BBQ, someone from
>Chicago looking for Chicago-style pizza, someone from the UK looking for
>authentic fish and chips...). Those of us from PA do appreciate good
>restaurants, and believe me, we've got our share of them up there.
>
>Mary--who eats a lot more than just pizza and cheesesteaks--Sheesh!

Tomato pie, cheese steak, and pretzels smeared with mustard ? Must be
the Valley Forge influence. Probably go for those little mini-oysters
called clams as well. And the awful creamed white cheese. A gourmet
wasteland.

Anubis

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Jan 21, 2001, 4:57:55 PM1/21/01
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In article <3a5e27e6...@news.supernews.com>,
Kennon Baird <k...@dnai.com> wrote:
>....

>* Zorba's (original location) Helena at Tuam - - I first went there in
>'73. It was a little tumbledown shack, but crammed with people and
>serving up great food. The building was so rotten that my foot
>actually went through the floor one night.
>
>Any others?

Tila's neon sign on Westheimer...

In the Galleria there were Farrell's (ice cream troughs and The Zoo) and
the Magic Pan (the BEST Monte Carlo sandwiches I'd ever eaten)...

Lalo's Argentinian when it was almost literally a hole-in-the-wall behind
a quickie-mart on West Bellfort...

China Cottage in Westbury Square...

--Larisa
--
"Yes, evil comes in many forms, whether it be a man-eating cow or Joseph
Stalin, but you can't let the package hide the pudding! Evil is just
plain bad! You don't cotton to it. You gotta smack it on the nose with
the rolled-up newspaper of goodness! Bad dog! Bad dog!" - The Tick

Becca

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Jan 24, 2001, 6:31:44 PM1/24/01
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I miss the Chez Orleans, a french restaurant on Westheimer. There was a
great seafood restaurant in Humble called the Blue Marlin Inn.

Did anybody go to school in Huntsville? I miss the Chicken Shack. If I
won playing cards, I would eat at the Chicken Shack, if I lost I would
eat at A&W.

Becca

Steve Cutchen

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Jan 24, 2001, 10:56:35 PM1/24/01
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In article <3A6F65E0...@hal-pc.org>, Becca <be...@hal-pc.org> wrote:

> Did anybody go to school in Huntsville? I miss the Chicken Shack. If I
> won playing cards, I would eat at the Chicken Shack, if I lost I would
> eat at A&W.

Didn't they have a Douglas DC-3 that had "Chicken Shack" written across the
underside of the wings? I think I recall seeing this plane at Texas-OU
games in the mid-late 70s.

---Steve

Rex L McCall

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"Becca" <be...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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Good grief, I had forgotten about the Chicken Shack. How about the 24 hour
truck stop next door when everything else was closed? Were you there when
Roland's was in business?

Rex


kengriff...@gmail.com

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On Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 3:56:32 PM UTC-6, Kennon Baird wrote:
> * Hamburgers by Gourmet. Had at least two locations, one on Alabama
> and one on Kirby, I believe. I loved the Hickory Burger.
>
> * Rolando's Burger Factory - - Cheap, good eats.
>
> * Alfred's in the Village - - A bowl of soup (served with a basket of
> assorted breads) and a beer made a yummy inexpensive supper for
> starving student types.
>
> * Valian's, on South Main. I believe that was the place with the
> stars painted on the ceiling.
>
> * Cellar Door, on Stella Link - - It was our special-occasion
> restaurant, circa 1975.
>
> * Tin Tin, on Elgin near Milam - - Funky Chinese place from the 70s.
> It was in a building that exploded sometime in the late 80s or early
> 90s.
>
> * Zorba's (original location) Helena at Tuam - - I first went there in
> '73. It was a little tumbledown shack, but crammed with people and
> serving up great food. The building was so rotten that my foot
> actually went through the floor one night.
>
> Any others?
>
> KB

AWSESOME, Thanks

iacp...@gmail.com

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What was the place on nasa road 1 in webster? Believe it was Italian and a wine bar? Nicer addition at the time. Not sure when it closed.
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