Swimming classification: Help?

[Laura Hale]

Can anyone help improve the following individual list of articles about swimming classification to make them a bit more uniquely about the classification?

S1 (classification) S10 (classification) S11 (classification) S12 (classification) S13 (classification)

S cont. S2 (classification) S3 (classification) S4 (classification) S5 (classification) S6 (classification)

S cont. S7 (classification) S8 (classification) S9 (classification)

Would kind of like to take all of them to DYK on a single nomination, but the information is pretty repetitive so not certain how feasible it is.  (If it turns out to be feasible, then I can rinse, recycle and repeat for all other classifications by sport.)

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[Graham Pearce]

Hi Laura,

 

As I said on your talk page, it'd probably be a better idea to have a page for each sport's classification system, like "classification of wheelchair basketball players" and "classification of Paralympic swimmers":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LauraHale#Re:_I_know_how_you_love_mass_DYK_noms...

 

What does everybody else think?

 

Regards, Graham

[Laura Hale]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Graham Pearce <grah...@jazi.net> wrote:

Hi Laura,

 

As I said on your talk page, it'd probably be a better idea to have a page for each sport's classification system, like "classification of wheelchair basketball players" and "classification of Paralympic swimmers":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LauraHale#Re:_I_know_how_you_love_mass_DYK_noms...

 

What does everybody else think?

Thought about this.  My objection to this for swimming (and to a lesser degree, basketball) is that each classification has their own world records, events they can compete in, etc. For swimming, each classification generally has its own set of medals on the Parlaympic level.  It also would make it easier to link to a person's classification on their page using separate articles.  Otherwise, you're going to have to do internal links to get to those, and the description of the classification information probably would end up separated from the records.  It also makes it harder to insert pictures to help some people look at an athlete and try to figure out from that method.  There probably should be an intermediate page between the two, I just think having them separate is also good. :)

[Graham Pearce]

On Friday, November 18, 2011 6:21 PM, Laura Hale wrote:

 

Thought about this.  My objection to this for swimming (and to a lesser degree, basketball) is that each classification has their own world records, events they can compete in, etc. For swimming, each classification generally has its own set of medals on the Parlaympic level.  It also would make it easier to link to a person's classification on their page using separate articles.  Otherwise, you're going to have to do internal links to get to those, and the description of the classification information probably would end up separated from the records.  It also makes it harder to insert pictures to help some people look at an athlete and try to figure out from that method.  There probably should be an intermediate page between the two, I just think having them separate is also good. :)

Each classification could have a section devoted to it in the hyperthetical super-article, and the records/events and competitors for each classification could go in a subsection. Or perhaps the info could be represented in a table, with a gallery of competitors from various classifications near the end of the article?

 

It's possible to redirect straight to sections, so "1 point player" could redirect to "Classification of wheelchair basketball players#1 point player", and it'd be linked to as normal. IMHO this is the best way for wheelchair basketball, but admittedly the article could get a bit unwieldy (but probably not more than 64K, which would be fine) for swimming and other events with a large number of classifications. In that case, how about "Classification of visually impaired swimmers" and "classification of Paralympic swimmers with mobility impairments" (not sure about the title there).

 

In any case, the lead sections of the articles should describe the classifications, as they're meant to be a succinct summary of the article.

 

Regards, Graham

 

[Laura Hale]

As a general disclaimer, this is all John Vandenberg's fault as he suggested tackling the issue of lack of articles about classification being a problem I could solve while avoiding work on my dissertation.  Once I start rolling on getting bigger, I tend to look at basic size and start thinking DYK.  (SELFISH.  GOAL ORIENTED.  OH HI! POTENTIAL DYK WITH 20+ NEW ARTICLES! This may be biasing my desire to keep these separate and any and all angst that pooh poohs over a desire to merge.) I also know the issue of creating articles about classification was something that came up during the workshop in Perth.  Alongside spoken word articles, one of the things I remember wanting out of that was a good way of discussing classification by Paralympiains, or videos that help to give an idea as to what exactly each classification means.  As some one who is at times completely unfamiliar with Paralympic sport and the classification system, seeing things on video makes me go "Duh! That's what that means!"

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Graham Pearce <grah...@jazi.net> wrote:

On Friday, November 18, 2011 6:21 PM, Laura Hale wrote:

Each classification could have a section devoted to it in the hyperthetical super-article, and the records/events and competitors for each classification could go in a subsection. Or perhaps the info could be represented in a table, with a gallery of competitors from various classifications near the end of the article?

 

I'm having issues with finding pictures.  Ideally, it would be nice to know and have pictures of about three to five athletes from each classification. I probably need to go through commons, find the athlete and then look up their classification and stick it on there.  There definitely needs to be something in between the main article and the individual specific classification articles.  (Actually, having some summary regarding classification on those main sport articles period would be good.)

 

It's possible to redirect straight to sections, so "1 point player" could redirect to "Classification of wheelchair basketball players#1 point player", and it'd be linked to as normal. IMHO this is the best way for wheelchair basketball,

Wheelchair basketball can be broken down with its own records if given enough time to look at it. :)  I know there are records related to "Best in point category" by two or three wheelchair basketball leagues around the world. I suspect there are also records kept regarding other basketball stats that give a relative idea as to disability level for wheelchair basketball players that might be useful in an article.

 

but admittedly the article could get a bit unwieldy (but probably not more than 64K, which would be fine) for swimming and other events with a large number of classifications. In that case, how about "Classification of visually impaired swimmers" and "classification of Paralympic swimmers with mobility impairments" (not sure about the title there).

Three types of classifications for disability related swimming if I recall what I've been reading today: Mobility, visual, mental. I think in some sports, there is also a fourth category for everyone who doesn't qualify under those categories like dwarves.   If you look at an article like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimming_at_the_2008_Summer_Paralympics , it actually allows for each swimming event by gender and classification to be in its own article.  That's actually been done in a few places with articles like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimming_at_the_2008_Summer_Paralympics_–_Men%27s_100_metre_freestyle_S4  and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimming_at_the_2008_Summer_Paralympics_–_Men%27s_100_metre_freestyle_S3 , which is why I think having each classification as its own separate article is fine.  I think you need an article that acts as a bridge between the individual classification articles and the main article… and it could probably be built easier from the more specific articles to the more general articles as the sources will be there and much more easy to summarise.  (I just don't want to write those articles at this time.  I'd rather just get all the specific classification articles done first, then write those.)

Making more arguments, during the 2012 Games, if you're watching these games on television, going to a specific classification article may be more useful as you can get an idea of who the best competitors are in the classification, what expected times are, etc.  It can also more easily answer questions like why an athlete with no arms is competing against some one in a wheelchair.

 

In any case, the lead sections of the articles should describe the classifications, as they're meant to be a succinct summary of the article.

 

Yeah, lead sections are pretty awful at the moment. :)  They need to be written in summary style. 

People have my permission to share this e-mail on Wikipedia related talk pages if it will help with discussions being moved there. :) 

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[Nicholas Gregory-Roberts]

Hi everyone,

I think having a separate page for each classification would be good. In relation to swimming, there is classification for each event. For example for an athlete is competing in freestyle, backstroke, butterfly- then they have an S infront of the number e.g. S10, if it is breastroke then SB e.g. SB10 and Individual Medley SM eg. SM10. Each athlete particularly with a functional impairment may not have the same classification across all events ie. S9, SB9,SM9 instead may have a different classification for one of the events S9, SB8,SM9.

 

ID athletes have a classification of 14- S14, SB14, SM14

 

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[Leigh Blackall]

Great Nich, thanks for this advice. So.. where is this thread heading?

Laura has started creating Wikipedia stub pages for each and every classification

Graham suggests that they be grouped onto pages about the code of event, eg, swimming, athletics, etc.

Nick reckons separate pages for each classification is necessary

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