How to type <deg>C in Word

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Mark Spahn

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May 19, 2009, 7:37:39 PM5/19/09
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I want to type a temperature in which a number
is immediately followed by a degree sign and then
a C (standing for "Celsius"), like 45<deg>C.

In Microsoft Word, is there a way to define a
short set of keystrokes that will produce "<deg>C"?.
By <deg> I mean the little circle that represents
the degree symbol.
The idea is to do this is a keystroke-minimizing way.

For example "dc" might be defined as a word
that gets expanded to the desired string,
but the problem is that this immediately
follows a number like 45 and typing "45dc"
does not do what I want it to do.
Any suggestions?
-- Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

Kirill Sereda

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May 19, 2009, 7:52:28 PM5/19/09
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You can use AutoCorrect (Tools -> AutoCorrect Options) such that it
replaces, say, dC with °C as you type.

Kirill

Adam

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May 19, 2009, 7:52:39 PM5/19/09
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Ctrl + @, then spacebar, or alt + 0176.

Adam

Cary Strunk

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May 19, 2009, 8:17:25 PM5/19/09
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@Mark Spahn:

Alternatively, you could always select the degree symbol from the menu at the top. (I'm using the Japanese version of the program, so will just say click "Insert (I)" and then "Symbols and Special Characters (S)" (I think that's the English.). From there you get a menu and can select the degree symbol. I'd bet a trillion to 1 you already knew this, but it's the method that always works no matter what you have in front of you. Probably the worst method, but it's at least nearly impossible to forget!

Best,

Cary Strunk

Roland Hechtenberg

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May 19, 2009, 8:39:40 PM5/19/09
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Cary Strunk wrote:

> Alternatively, you could always select the degree symbol from the menu
> at the top. (I'm using the Japanese version of the program, so will just
> say click "Insert (I)" and then "Symbols and Special Characters (S)" (I
> think that's the English.). From there you get a menu and can select the
> degree symbol.

On that screen, you can also select "AutoCorrect" to define the
characters to be auto-corrected to the degree Symbol or you can
select "Shortcut Key" and define a shortcut for the degree symbol.

Have fun (and shortcut keys),

Roland

Roland Hechtenberg

Mark Spahn

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May 19, 2009, 9:35:39 PM5/19/09
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Thank you Kirill, Adam, Cary, and Roland,
but I see that my question was not clear enough.

My question was not how to type "4<deg>C" in Word,
(where here <deg> means the little raised circle indicating
the degree symbol), but how to do so
in the minimum number of keystrokes.
In AutoCorrect, it is possible to define a word "dc"
so that when you type the word "dc", what appears
is "<deg>C". But this only works when "dc" appears
as a word (i.e., is preceded by a space).
As of now, to type "4<deg>C", I type "4 dc",
which produces "4 <deg>C", but then I have to
lift a hand from the keyboard to move the mouse,
place the cursor on the space, and delete the space.
A whole lot of work to produce a three-character string.

I was hoping that someone has already found a way
to do what I am trying to do, namely, type "4" followed
by a minimum number of magic predefined keystrokes,
to get "4<deg>C", without lifting my fingers from the keyboard.

(Cary, you refer to selecting "the degree symbol from
the menu at the top [of what is on the screen when
your are typing in Word]". I see no such menu.
How is it labeled? And does this kind of selecting require
the user to move the mouse?)

canuck....@gmail.com

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May 19, 2009, 9:42:33 PM5/19/09
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The key sequence described by Adam will do just that.
- While holding down the ALT key, type 0176 using the number keypad.
You can find charts online that detail all of the available ASCII
characters which can be input this way.

- Dan in Yokohama

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Dan Burgess
canuck....@gmail.com

Richard Sadowsky

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May 19, 2009, 9:46:19 PM5/19/09
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Just in case Mac people were wondering how to get the degree symbol, it's
Option-K. If I wanted to put that together with a capital C, I might use a
third-party macro program such as Keyboard Maestro or Quickeys to create a
text input macro.
--
Richard Sadowsky, Awajishima

Ginstrom IT Solutions (GITS)

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May 19, 2009, 10:05:10 PM5/19/09
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> [mailto:hon...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Spahn
> I was hoping that someone has already found a way to do what
> I am trying to do, namely, type "4" followed by a minimum
> number of magic predefined keystrokes, to get "4<deg>C",
> without lifting my fingers from the keyboard.

Create this macro, and make a keyboard shortcut tying it to (for example)
ALT + C.

Sub WriteDegreeC()

Selection.Range.Text = ChrW(176) & "C"

End Sub

Regards,
Ryan

--
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http://ginstrom.com/

Karen Sandness

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May 19, 2009, 9:48:55 PM5/19/09
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Wow, and here I thought it was option-shift-8. Just think of all the
extra keystrokes I've typed in the past several years.

Long way aroundly yours,
Karen Sandness

Roland Hechtenberg

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May 19, 2009, 10:06:15 PM5/19/09
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Mark Spahn wrote:
> In AutoCorrect, it is possible to define a word "dc"
> so that when you type the word "dc", what appears
> is "<deg>C". But this only works when "dc" appears
> as a word (i.e., is preceded by a space).


You could solve your problem easily by separating the number and
the degree symbol by a space, as that seems to be the recommended
way of writing it.

Have fun,

Roland

Roland Hechtenberg

Tom Donahue

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May 19, 2009, 10:17:55 PM5/19/09
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Mark Spahn writes:

> In AutoCorrect, it is possible to define a word "dc"
> so that when you type the word "dc", what appears
> is "<deg>C".  But this only works when "dc" appears
> as a word (i.e., is preceded by a space).

Instead of "dc", define it as ";dc".

--
Tom Donahue

Mark Spahn

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May 19, 2009, 11:07:48 PM5/19/09
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>Mark Spahn writes:

Thanks, Ryan, for your high-power solution (which I
would need to spend time studying to follow properly),
but Tom, your solution is the simplest. Having in Word's
AutoCorrect defined ";dc" to produce "<deg>C",
it works just as I had hoped. Typing "4;dc" produces
"4<deg>C", and in a minimum(?) number of keystrokes,
without having to move your fingers from the keyboard.
Thank you very much!

For the record, to accomplish that definition from Word,
hit Insert, click on Symbol, then click on AutoCorrect
(in the lower left), then type ";dc" in the Replace box,
then, in the With box, type "Alt+0176" (type 0176
while holding down the Alt key), then hit Add and OK.

Roland Hechtenberg

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May 19, 2009, 11:18:06 PM5/19/09
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Mark Spahn wrote:

> For the record, to accomplish that definition from Word,
> hit Insert, click on Symbol, then click on AutoCorrect
> (in the lower left), then type ";dc" in the Replace box,
> then, in the With box, type "Alt+0176" (type 0176
> while holding down the Alt key), then hit Add and OK.

Check http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/unit-definitions.html

Degree Celsius (°C)

1954: “The 10th Conférence Générale des Poids et Mesures decides
to define the thermodynamic temperature scale by choosing the
triple point of water as the fundamental fixed point, and
assigning to it the temperature 273.16 kelvins, exactly.” [10th
CGPM, Resolution 3]
Previous definitions

1948: “The zero of the centesimal thermodynamic scale must be
defined as the temperature 0.0100 degree below that of the triple
point of water.” [9th CGPM, Resolution 3]
Notes

The plural of “degree Celsius” is “degrees Celsius.” The “C”
should be capitalized. There should be no space between the
characters of its unit symbol, °C, although there should be space
before it.

Have fun (and spaces where suggested),

Roland

Roland Hechtenberg

Ginstrom IT Solutions (GITS)

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May 19, 2009, 11:42:39 PM5/19/09
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> [mailto:hon...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roland Hechtenberg

> The plural of “degree Celsius” is “degrees Celsius.” The “C”
> should be capitalized. There should be no space between the
> characters of its unit symbol, °C, although there should be
> space before it.

Of course, the "best" solution (for certain values of best) is to use a
double-byte degrees-Celsius character, that makes it *look* like there's a
space before it.

Richard Sadowsky

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May 19, 2009, 11:33:34 PM5/19/09
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Actually, I'm not so sure now which is correct, or if there is a definitive
answer. There is dispute on the Web between Shift-Opt-8 and Opt-K to
produce the degree symbol. The latter appears to be an "over ring" used in
Scandinavian alphabets, but for all intents and purposes is visually the
same as a degree symbol.

The 文字パレート(in the Mac menu bar under the Flag/Hiragana icon) gives
these on a select-and-mouseover:

Opt-K
Unicode: 02DA
UTF8: CB 9A
(RING ABOVE)*

Shift-Opt-8
Unicode: 00B0
UTF8: C2 B0
(DEGREE SIGN)*

(*I added the titles from further Web research)

Anyway, while we're on the topic, just because we can insert special
characters does it mean that you WOULD in a translation? If you consider it
harmless to use the degree symbol, or the yen symbol (Opt-Y), how far do
you take it? Do you use the bullet (on the Mac Option-Shift-9) or numbers
with a circle around it, or arrows?

This has been kind of a question in the back of my mind for some time...

Richard S.

David J. Littleboy

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May 19, 2009, 11:39:35 PM5/19/09
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From: "Mark Spahn" <mark...@verizon.net>

>
> Thanks, Ryan, for your high-power solution (which I
> would need to spend time studying to follow properly),
> but Tom, your solution is the simplest. Having in Word's
> AutoCorrect defined ";dc" to produce "<deg>C",
> it works just as I had hoped. Typing "4;dc" produces
> "4<deg>C", and in a minimum(?) number of keystrokes,
> without having to move your fingers from the keyboard.
> Thank you very much!

Depending on how you count keystrokes, and one's agility at hitting <Ctrl>
or <Alt>, Ryan's method is only one third the keystrokes.

Of course, excessive use of <Ctrl> and <Alt> and the like can get out of
hand. (See the cartoon at the bottom of the page.)

http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/space-cadet-keyboard.html

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

Mark Spahn

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May 19, 2009, 11:43:30 PM5/19/09
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The plural of “degree Celsius” is “degrees Celsius.” The “C”
should be capitalized. There should be no space between the
characters of its unit symbol, °C, although there should be space
before it.
Roland Hechtenberg
==UNQUOTE==

That last clause a big surprise, and contrary to all my experience.
Looking up the melting point and boiling point of a certain
metal in a dictionary, they are listed as "729°C" and "1,640°C",
with no space between the number's last digit and the degree symbol.
Likewise in a scientific encyclopedia, the degree symbol
is printed "sticky", with no space between it and the number
that preceeds it. In this respect, the degree symbol behaves
like the percent symbol: one writes "43%", not "43 %".

Is this rule -- that a space should be left between a number
and the degree symbol that follows it -- new? Since when?
Or is this rule possibly the idiosyncrasy of a certain publication?
Curious,

Sarah McNally

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May 19, 2009, 11:51:37 PM5/19/09
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I agree that there is no space with °C, and so does the Chicago Manual of Style...
http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/ch15/ch15_sec055.html

"  A word space usually appears between a numeral and an abbreviation.

4 L
13 Mc
but
512K (when K = kilobytes)
36°C
"

Sarah

2009/5/20 Mark Spahn <mark...@verizon.net>

Peter Durfee

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May 19, 2009, 11:54:20 PM5/19/09
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On 09/05/20 12:43, "Mark Spahn" <mark...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Is this rule -- that a space should be left between a number
> and the degree symbol that follows it -- new? Since when?
> Or is this rule possibly the idiosyncrasy of a certain publication?

Chicago (15th ed., 9.17) tells you no space is needed. This may be something
that differs among the various style guides, though.

--
Peter Durfee
du...@gol.com
Tokyo


Richard Thieme

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May 20, 2009, 12:04:41 AM5/20/09
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(snip)

You know that looks kind of like a Japanese keyboard.

Does anyone really need a spacebar that takes up the entire bottom row?

Regards,

Richard Thieme

David J. Littleboy

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May 20, 2009, 12:23:36 AM5/20/09
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From: "Richard Thieme" <rdth...@gol.com>

> From: "David J. Littleboy" <dav...@gol.com>
>> Of course, excessive use of <Ctrl> and <Alt> and the like can get out of
>> hand. (See the cartoon at the bottom of the page.)
>>
>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/space-cadet-keyboard.html
>
> You know that looks kind of like a Japanese keyboard.

Not really: it's spacebar is _longer_ than the generic keyboard spacebar.

It has more stuff at the left and right.

> Does anyone really need a spacebar that takes up the entire bottom row?

Well, I need there to be a spacebar at the points my thumbs hit where they
think the spacebar ought to be, so, yes, I do need a spacebar that takes up
the standard spacebar width.

David J. Littleboy
Not only opposable, but sentient and with a mind of their own...
Tokyo, Japan


Richard Thieme

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May 20, 2009, 12:35:53 AM5/20/09
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David J. Littleboy" <dav...@gol.com>
To: <hon...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: How to type <deg>C in Word


>


> From: "Richard Thieme" <rdth...@gol.com>
>> From: "David J. Littleboy" <dav...@gol.com>
>>> Of course, excessive use of <Ctrl> and <Alt> and the like can get out of
>>> hand. (See the cartoon at the bottom of the page.)
>>>
>>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/space-cadet-keyboard.html
>>
>> You know that looks kind of like a Japanese keyboard.
>
> Not really: it's spacebar is _longer_ than the generic keyboard spacebar.

Oh.

>
> It has more stuff at the left and right.
>
>> Does anyone really need a spacebar that takes up the entire bottom row?
>
> Well, I need there to be a spacebar at the points my thumbs hit where they
> think the spacebar ought to be, so, yes, I do need a spacebar that takes
> up
> the standard spacebar width.
>

Hmm. That sounds kind of like the walkways on high-rises under construction
looking very narrow from down on the ground, but actually being pretty wide
when you are up there. I can't ever remember missing the space-bar on a
Japanese keyboard, and I have pretty small hands. Other keys, however, can
be a problem.

Regards,

Richard Thieme

Roland Hechtenberg

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May 20, 2009, 1:02:34 AM5/20/09
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Sarah McNally wrote:

> I agree that there is no space with °C, and so does the Chicago Manual
> of Style...
> http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/ch15/ch15_sec055.html
>
> " A word space usually appears between a numeral and an abbreviation.
>
> 4 L
> 13 Mc

> /but/


> 512K (when K = kilobytes)
> 36°C


The International System of Units states:

A no-break space separates the number and the symbol; e.g., "2.21
kg", "7.3×102 m2", "22 K".[13][14] This rule explicitly includes
the percent sign. Exceptions are the symbols for plane angular
degrees, minutes and seconds (°, ′ and ″), which are placed
immediately after the number with no intervening space.

I. Martins

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May 20, 2009, 5:35:12 AM5/20/09
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Quoting Adam :
Subject: Re: How to type <deg>C in Word
Ctrl + @, then spacebar, or alt + 0176.
============

I didn't know of the Ctrl@ method so thanks for that.
Trying it on my (JP Vista) system, this method gave the
double-byte character, as opposed to the Alt+Unicode, which
gives the single-byte character.
Is the Ctrl@ method limited to Japanese or is it just tied
to that character because of initial system settings or
something?
Are there other Ctrl@ shortcuts (or somewhere I can look
them up?)

It's always good to learn the tricks of power users.

Isaac M.
Tokyo

Adam

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May 20, 2009, 7:21:01 AM5/20/09
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I tested this on an English version of XP with a standard English
keyboard. I got the normal single-byte degree symbols with both methods.

I'm not aware of any other ctrl + @ shortcuts, as with much else, you're
on your own when it comes to Vista. =)

Adam
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