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[jamesal...@gmail.com]

Thanks for your input, Michael. (Look time, eh?!)

No, I was not suggesting “develop a robust, inclusive, and efficient management” WITHOUT adding structure or system is suitable. I would add, like you, structure(s), or infrastructure, or even setup or framework; to me, it’s rendering 体制 as system that seems strange and could invite miscommunication.

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JamesALockhart <jamesal...@gmail.com>: Oct 03 09:38PM -0700 Hi Tom, Your AI reviews are very interesting and informative, as usual for your posts. This is slightly off-thread, so forgive me if it's too out of place. One thing I was wondering about (at the lexical level): 管理体制. I frequently see 体制 rendered as *system*, but it's my least-favorite English for it; so I was wondering about your take on how to bring out its full (and multifaceted) meaning(s) in English. My sense for it is that it refers a comprehensive infrastructure entail human actors/roles, organized structures, protocols (for communicating and doing things), and other similar physical and non-physical components set up to achieve a goal or run an operation. That said, I do like the “develop a robust, inclusive, and efficient management” part of the AI's suggestion, as I sometimes I wonder whether 体制 even needs to appear in the English if another word that implies it is used. I get this feeling about a lot of formal suffix-like markers that slightly clarify the meaning of a noun they’re attached to to signal how it's being used, and that these markers frequently show up in translated English in ways that make the English stilted or misleading, or even cause a shift in register between the original and the translation. Any thoughts? —Jim Lockhart Yamaguchi, Yamaguchi

<li...@letstalktranslations.com>: Oct 04 05:35AM > I frequently see 体制 rendered as system, but…     Not addressed to me, but FWIW…     I usually translate 体制 as “structure” these days, unless “system” or “NOTHING, AS YOU ALSO SUGGEST” seems more appropriate.     > I do like the “develop a robust, inclusive, and efficient management” part of the AI's suggestion, as I sometimes I wonder whether 体制 even needs to appear in the English if another word that implies it is used     I’m not sure whether you are suggesting “develop a robust, inclusive, and efficient management” WITHOUT adding structure or system is suitable, but if you are, then I see it as problematic. It should still make sense if the adjectives are removed. In this case, “develop a management” is what you’d be left with, and at least to me, and SANS context, that seems strange.     Michael Hendry, in Nagano Japan       -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

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Information for those thinking about attending IJET-33 Fukuoka on May 9-11, 2025

Ben <bento...@gmail.com>: Oct 02 11:59PM -0700 Calling all translators and interpreters. Are you planning on attending IJET-33 in Fukuoka on May 9 to 11, 2025? We've posted some dates (subject to change) to keep in mind and other important info on the IJET website at https://ijet.jat.org/news/how_to_plan_for_your_ijet_33_experience     翻訳者・通訳者のみなさまへ   2025年5月9日～11日、福岡市で開催されるIJET-33への参加を予定していますか？ ご参加にあたり、重要な日程や情報をIJET公式ウェブサイトに掲載いたしました。（日程は状況により変更する可能性もございます）   https://ijet.jat.org/ja/news/ijet_33%E3%81%BE%E3%81%A7%E3%81%AE%E6%97%A5%E7%A8%8B%E3%82%84%E6%B5%81%E3%82%8C

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[li...@letstalktranslations.com]

> Thanks for your input, Michael. (Look time, eh?!)

 

Always look. Rarely respond here these days. 😊

 

Michael

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[Fred Uleman]

Note to Jim,

Could also add "practices" to your list such that 組織的、包括的、効率的な管理体制を構築 is about developing management practices that are systematic, comprehensive, and effective. fwiw.

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[Herman]

On 04/10/2024 00.49, jamesal...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks for your input, Michael. (Look time, eh?!)
>
>
> No, I was not suggesting “develop a robust, inclusive, and efficient
> management” WITHOUT adding structure or system is suitable. I would add,
> like you, structure(s), or infrastructure, or even setup or framework;

> to me, it’s rendering 体制as /system/ that seems strange and could
> invite miscommunication.
>
Looking at the same question from the standpoint of English to Japanese
translation, "management system", in the typical sense of a formalized
set of procedures, etc. for managing something or achieving some
objective, would be called マネジメントシステム in Japanese, while "management
structure" in the typical sense of a hierarchy of roles and
responsibilities would be 管理体制.

The term "management" alone, used in the sense of the manner of
organization or approach or attitude toward managing something, is also
most suitably translated as 管理体制 in certain contexts.


Herman Kahn