TRADOS operating platform
Allen Hunter
My 5-year-old PowerBook G4 is starting to show its age and I'm
considering a new machine. At the same time, I'm considering taking up
the TRADOS banner as a portion of my services and would like to get a
machine that will handle it. I love my Mac, but I've heard that TRADOS
will only run in native Windows XP, that an emulated XP platform will
not work. This has me considering a Windows machine, with a
partitioned hard drive for XP and Windows 7.
Does anyone have any experience with this issue? Am I really going to
have to leave my beloved Mac behind in favor of a TRADOS-friendly PC?
Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
TIA,
Allen Hunter
J-E Tech Translator
Portland, OR
Jean-Christophe Helary
On 28 déc. 10, at 08:55, Allen Hunter wrote:
> machine that will handle it. I love my Mac, but I've heard that TRADOS
> will only run in native Windows XP, that an emulated XP platform will
> not work.
I don't know for emulated XP, but XP in a virtual environment on an Intel Mac seems to accept Studio 2009 without any problems.
> Does anyone have any experience with this issue? Am I really going to
> have to leave my beloved Mac behind in favor of a TRADOS-friendly PC?
Subscribe to the MacSwitch list, there are plenty of translators who work in OSX+Virtual environment+Windows+whatever they need. And they seem to be very happy with that.
Personally, I've tried the evaluation version of Studio 2009 and I don't find any problem running it. Except that I wouldn't want to have to work in that interface all day long.
Jean-Christophe Helary
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john tysome
in OSX when run inside an emulated XP 'virtual machine' (VM).
I use OSX 10.6, with Trados 2007 running inside a Win XP VM (virtual
machine).
I use Parallels to run the VM, but VMware Fusion is also popular, and
VirtualBox is a free option.
I tell Parallels to assign the Win XP virtual machine 512 MB of my
mac's memory and Trados 2007 runs fine. But, I would recommend 2 GB as
a minimum amount of memory if you want to use a VM.
Parallels etc. also run under Leopard, so a non-intel CPU is possible
- though you may need an upgrade (memory, or even CPU) if you want
things to run well. I now use a Macbook 5,2 (4 GB memory, 2 GHz core 2
duo) as my main machine, but everything also used to run fine on my
old Macbook 2,1 (1.83 GHz core 2 duo, 3 GB memory).
Hope that helps,
John Tysome
Doug Durgee
Given what you're going for, I think the best solutions would be to either set up a dual boot or get VMWare, or a similar program. I've used VMWare in Linux, so there there may be a different Mac virtual machine solution for the problem. If you chose to go the virtual machine route, make sure to get plenty of memory and a faster system overall as you will essentially be running two OSes on top of one another, using the resources needed for both at once.
Your system will not know the difference between Windows opened in a virtual machine and a clean Windows boot, so you can run any Windows native programs in it with no issues whatsoever.
Personally, if you have the resources to do so, I prefer a virtual machine to having to reboot every time you want to switch between work mode and play mode. With a VM, going back to MacOS would be as simple as closing a program, or simply switching windows.
Hope that helps,
Doug Durgee @ Tokyo
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David J. Littleboy
Truth in advertising: I don't do Mac, and haven't moved from XP to Win 7
yet.
I'd recommend avoiding dual-boot situations, whether PC/PC or Mac/PC. You
have to learn all the ins and outs of both systems as well as the switching
method. Certainly not impossible, but there are better things to do with
your life than futzing with computers. So wait until the Trados folks have
figured out Win 7, and then buy a machine with Win 7 already installed. Lots
of people really enjoy futzing with installing and setting up OSes and will
tell you that you can save money by building your own peecee. IMHO, one's
time is worth way more than any money saved.
If you are going to go Windows, get "Windows XP Annoyances for Geeks" (which
I found quite useful) or "Windows 7 Annoyances".
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Annoyances-Tips-Secrets-Solutions/dp/0596157622/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1
One final snarky comment. Computers haven't been getting all that much
faster for the last 5 years, so unless Apple was messing up 5 years ago, you
may not see that much of an improvement. (Dual processors systems have made
their way into the lower end of things*, there have been minor architectural
tweaks, and memory has gotten cheaper. But nothing like the difference
between a 200 MHz clock and a 3 GHz clock.)
*: Dual processors only helps things that can use both processors, so this
may not help Trados. Here, it helped for Lightroom, but not for anything
work related.
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
Jean-Christophe Helary
On 28 déc. 10, at 09:23, john tysome wrote:
> Trados does not run natively on OSX, but as you mentioned can be used
> in OSX when run inside an emulated XP 'virtual machine' (VM).
Emulation and virtualization are generally 2 very different things.
Emulation means that you don't need Windows: the emulation software convinces the Windows application that it is running in Windows (which is not true, since Windows is not required). A good example is Crossover from Codeweavers. They also contribute some code to Wine, which allows, for free, to run some Windows apps (I've run yougox.exe successfully in Wine on my Intel Mac for ex).
Virtualization means that you have a software in a host operating system (OSX/Linux etc) that can accept a copy of Windows in which you'll run your Windows applications. There is some emulation in a virtual solution but it is mostly hardware emulation, not software emulation.
> I use Parallels to run the VM, but VMware Fusion is also popular, and
> VirtualBox is a free option.
VirtualBox is free and enough for 99% of what a virtual windows user needs.
> Parallels etc. also run under Leopard, so a non-intel CPU is possible
No. Non-intel CPUS are not supported by Parallels. Leopard runs on PPCs but Parallels requires an Intel machine to run.
Parallels will never run on PPC machines.
If you need a virtual solution that runs on PPC machines you need VirtualPC from (now) Microsoft. But it is awfully slow since VirtualPC needs to emulate an Intel architecture to be able to have Windows run into it.
john tysome
> > Trados does not run natively on OSX, but as you mentioned can be used
> > in OSX when run inside an emulated XP 'virtual machine' (VM).
>
> Emulation and virtualization are generally 2 very different things.
My reply is about by experience using virtualization to run Trados
while using OSX (not Bootcamp).
> > Parallels etc. also run under Leopard, so a non-intel CPU is possible
>
> No. Non-intel CPUS are not supported by Parallels. Leopard runs on PPCs but Parallels requires an Intel machine to run.
PPCs.
For PPCs there is VirtualPC and also Guest PC, but that's all I know
about it.
Nevertheless, if you are considering an upgrade using a virtual
machine is a viable way. The minimum memory you should have is 2GB,
which will run Trados on Win XP inside a virtual machine on the OSX
system, with the rest of the software you need running in the
background (web browser, dictionary, word processing, etc.). 4GB is
probably recommended though.
Virtualization software can also run from a Bootcamp partition, so if
you want to only use Windows you can through Bootcamp, or to use both
from inside OSX. At least, this is an option with Parallels.
John Tysome
Allen Hunter
Thanks to all who so generously contributed to this thread! I feel
better now about sticking with Mac and still being able to run TRADOS
(although, I don't look forward to learning what sounds to be a
daunting interface...).
今年も宜しくお願い致します。
Allen Hunter
Alan David Collins
Good to hear that you're also sticking with a Mac. I'm in the same
position. Haven't used TRADOS up to now for translation work, but will
also be replacing my trusty old Powerbook this year and hope to use
TRADOS via Parallels on the new machine. Keep us posted on how it
works out!
Alan