堕胎

[Marc Adler]

Am I correct in thinking that 堕胎 is ambiguous, encompassing both intentional abortion and miscarriage?

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[Alan Siegrist]

Marc Adler writes:

> Am I correct in thinking that 堕胎 is ambiguous, encompassing both
> intentional abortion and miscarriage?

Not according to dictionary definitions, in which 堕胎 clearly means
artificial abortion, especially when it is a criminal offense for which the
term 堕胎罪 is used.

Can you tell us why you think 堕胎 is ambiguous?

Regards,

Alan Siegrist
Carmel, CA, USA

[Marc Adler]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Alan Siegrist <AlanFS...@comcast.net> wrote:

Can you tell us why you think 堕胎 is ambiguous?

マグローヒル化学技術用語大辞典 has "→流産" under 堕胎.

[Chika Kamiya]

Adler-san wrote:

Am I correct in thinking that 堕胎 is ambiguous, encompassing both intentional abortion and miscarriage?

 

Intentional abortion only.

 

Chika

 

 

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[Alan Siegrist]

Marc Adler writes:

> > Can you tell us why you think 堕胎 is ambiguous?
>
> マグローヒル化学技術用語大辞典 has "→流産" under 堕胎.

Yes, I think perhaps 流産 is ambiguous. It can refer either to miscarriage
or abortion.

堕胎 appears to be unambiguous.

[Marc Adler]

2010/7/25 Alan Siegrist <AlanFS...@comcast.net>

堕胎 appears to be unambiguous.

Got it. Thanks to you and Chika.

[Kirill Sereda]

In English, the term "abortion" is a general term that applies both to natural and artificially induced cases. You can say, for instance, "spontaneous abortion" to refer to "miscarriage", or "artificial abortion" to refer to artificial termination of pregnancy.

In Japanese, "流産" is equally ambiguous. In the Japanese translation of the International Classification of Diseases (ICD-10), wherever the term "abortion" appears in the English version, the term "流産" I used, so that "spontaneous abortion" is translated as 自然流産 and "artificial abortion" as 人工流産. The term "堕胎" is not used in the Japanese ICD-10.

In Chinese, the situation is similar, with "流産" meaning either "miscarriage" or "artificial abortion", and "堕胎" having the same meaning as "打胎", i.e. "artificial abortion".

Kirill

[Minoru Mochizuki]

堕胎〈人工妊娠中絶〉 means abortion, not miscarriage. The latter is 流産 in Japanese.

The above information can be confirmed by any decent dictionary.

 

Minoru Mochizuki

 

 

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[demayer]

FWIW, both terms are unambiguous in Chinese, at least as used here in
Taiwan.
流産 is natural miscarriage.
堕胎 is intentional abortion.

Regards,

Dave M, Taipei

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[Kirill Sereda]

Dave writes:
>>FWIW, both terms are unambiguous in Chinese, at least as used here in Taiwan.

Yes, _in everyday speech_, "流產" is unambiguous (it means "miscarriage", natural termination). Technically, however, the term can refer both to natural termination and to artificially induced termination:

http://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/%E6%B5%81%E4%BA%A7
流產包括人工流產和自然流產。

In English, "abortion", just like "流產", can technically refer to both. However, the meaning emphasized in the English vernacular is that of "artificially induced termination".

Kirill

[Joseph Kei Nagai]

According to the Stedman's Medical Dictionary, in brief:

Miscarriage is defined as spontaneous [i.e., natural] expulsion of the
products of pregnancy; and synonymous to spontaneous abortion.

Abortion is defined as expulsion ... of embryo or fetus . . prior to 20
weeks or . . .less than 500 g; may be occurring from natural causes or
may be induced. .

Spontaneous [i.e., natural] abortion is defined to be synonymous to
miscarriage.

So, only natural expulsion (prior to the deadline) is synonymous to
miscarriage; and vice versa.

Joseph Kei Nagai