Dictionary resources
Marceline Therrien
dictionary search tools.
I've been paying for on-line access to a couple of sources (研究社 and 三省
堂) but it would be nice to have some dictionaries on my hard drive.
Ideally, I would like to be able to search研究社新和英 and 広辞苑
simultaneously. Is there any way to make this happen? What versions of the
dictionaries do I need to buy (amazon.co.jp links would be very helpful)?
Do they need to be EPWING? I see an EPWING version of 研究社新和英 but not広
辞苑. What software do I need to search the dictionaries (a link would be
great)? What do I need to do to get the dictionaries on my hard drive?
Thanks,
Marceline Therrien
J2E Business Translations
Oakland, California, USA
Jeremy Angel
> 辞苑. What software do I need to search the dictionaries (a link would be
> great)? What do I need to do to get the dictionaries on my hard drive?
I, and I think a lot of other people on this list, use Jamming:
http://dicwizard.jp/jamming/top.php
Jamming is compatible with other formats too. See the users guide:
http://dicwizard.jp/jamming_ug.html
Another viewer specifically for EPWING is EBWin:
http://www31.ocn.ne.jp/~h_ishida/EBPocket.html
As for getting dictionaries on your hard drive, I just copied the CDs
to my hard drive, and followed the Jamming manual's instructions.
HTHAL
--
Jeremy Angel
Nagano, Japan
Ryan Ginstrom
> 堂) but it would be nice to have some dictionaries on my hard drive.
> Ideally, I would like to be able to search研究社新和英 and 広辞苑
> simultaneously. Is there any way to make this happen? What
I got the CD version of Kojien. You can either run it with the CD in the
drive, or copy it to your hard drive using a proprietary format. That's more
convenient, but you lose the pictures.
There's probably some tool out there to convert Kojien's proprietary format
to something like Jamming.
Regards,
Ryan
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Ryan Ginstrom
trans...@ginstrom.com
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John Zimet
John Zimet
Redmond, WA
jo...@jts-i.com
On Wed Nov 7 16:11 , 'Ryan Ginstrom' <gins...@tree.odn.ne.jp> sent:
>
>> [hon...@googlegroups.com','','','')">hon...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marceline Therrien
Jim Lockhart
> > [mailto:hon...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marceline Therrien
> > 堂) but it would be nice to have some dictionaries on my hard drive.
> > Ideally, I would like to be able to search研究社新和英 and 広辞苑
> > simultaneously. Is there any way to make this happen? What
>
> I got the CD version of Kojien. You can either run it with the CD in the
> drive, or copy it to your hard drive using a proprietary format. That's more
> convenient, but you lose the pictures.
>
> There's probably some tool out there to convert Kojien's proprietary format
> to something like Jamming.
Not true. Copy the directory structure properly and you'll have no
trouble using Kojien on hard disk.
That said, rather than Kojien, I'd recommend Daijirin. Personally, I
don't know where Kojien got its salient reputation. I'm sure it had once
earned it, but for as long as Daijirin has been out, I'd say Kojien's
reputation is largely a legacy artefact of some sort that no-longer
reflects its actual value, especially from a practical perspective as
concerns us as translators.
That said, it is worth noting here that Daijirin's third edition is
still not available in electronic form, and that Iwanami has announced
that it will be releasing the sixth edition of Kojien early next year.
Kojien's editors have changed courses on the inclusion of newer
expressions, finally abandoning their previous prescriptive policy and
aligning themselves with the descriptive stance that made Daijirin
famous (and popular).
FWIW,
--Jim Lockhart
Ryan Ginstrom
> > There's probably some tool out there to convert Kojien's
> proprietary
> > format to something like Jamming.
>
> Not true. Copy the directory structure properly and you'll
> have no trouble using Kojien on hard disk.
Maybe I should clarify. The Kojien CD includes an installation tool that
acts as I described.
You can use various third-party software to mirror the CD on your hard drive
(I use Paragon), and then it works as if you had the CD in the drive.
Marceline Therrien
Hi Ryan,
Thanks for clarifying. What I'm really looking for is "one search tool to
bind them all."
It seems that we've established that Jamming can work on any XP machine,
Japanese or no (I just installed it and it works). It sounds like Jamming
can search the GG just fine. Is this the right version to buy?
http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E7%A0%94%E7%A9%B6%E7%A4%BE-EPWING%E7%89%88-%E6%96%B
0%E5%92%8C%E8%8B%B1%E5%A4%A7%E8%BE%9E%E5%85%B8-%E7%AC%AC5%E7%89%88/dp/B00061
OJNW/ref=sr_1_10/249-9752777-6457937?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1194484998&sr=1-
10
From the Jamming website, it looks like it might be able to read files in
the Logostar format. Has anyone tried to use Jamming with Kojien in any
format? Which Kojien CD version did you buy? Logostar? Some other format?
Same for Daijirin, which looks like it is available only with DDviewer. Will
Jamming read this?
Sorry to be a pest but some of these dictionaries are fairly expensive so I
want to get it right. Hopefully this information will also be useful to
other people.
Jim Lockhart
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:29:56 -0800
"Marceline Therrien" <hon...@thinkjapanese.net> wrote:
> Thanks for clarifying. What I'm really looking for is "one search tool to
> bind them all."
Jamming will let you do just this. I use it to search about 30
references simultaneously.
> It seems that we've established that Jamming can work on any XP machine,
> Japanese or no (I just installed it and it works). It sounds like Jamming
> can search the GG just fine. Is this the right version to buy?
> http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E7%A0%94%E7%A9%B6%E7%A4%BE-EPWING%E7%89%88-%E6%96%B
> 0%E5%92%8C%E8%8B%B1%E5%A4%A7%E8%BE%9E%E5%85%B8-%E7%AC%AC5%E7%89%88/dp/B00061
> OJNW/ref=sr_1_10/249-9752777-6457937?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1194484998&sr=1-
> 10
Yes, if the information on that page is accurate.
> From the Jamming website, it looks like it might be able to read files in
> the Logostar format. Has anyone tried to use Jamming with Kojien in any
> format?
I use it in EPWING format. Kojien ver. 5. And I get also the
illustrations.
> Same for Daijirin, which looks like it is available only with DDviewer. Will
> Jamming read this?
Yes.
The trick is to get the directory structure (folder hierarchy) right
when you copy the CD content to hard disk. You do not need a
CD-mirroring or image-copying tool, but you do have to copy each CD into
its own, discrete folder. I can give more details if needed, so just say
the word.
HTH,
--Jim Lockhart
Darren Cook
>> great)? What do I need to do to get the dictionaries on my hard drive?
>
> I, and I think a lot of other people on this list, use Jamming:
> http://dicwizard.jp/jamming/top.php
Interesting thread. Is there something like Jamming for linux? (or has
anyone got it running well under wine?)
Also, is there any desktop tool (linux if possible, but also windows)
that will search the ex-word dictionary format? I've been told if I
want, say, the Green Goddess dictionary on both my Casio handheld (*)
and my PC I need to buy it twice. I'm not happy about that, so am
looking for a way to read the ex-word format on a PC, or convert the PC
version to ex-word.
Darren
*: Casio ex-word XD-SW6500. My review:
http://darren-reviews.blogspot.com/2007/11/casio-ex-word-xd-sw6500.html
Eric Nichols
Jean-Christophe Helary
dictionary files. The developer tools include a dictionary development
kit.
http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/2007/11/dictionaryapp-development-kit.html
I informed Jim Breen about that and he seemed to be interested in
trying to port edict to that format.
I am sure other formats can relatively easily be converted to that
format.
Jean-Christophe Helary
JimBreen
wrote:
> The OSX 10.5 Dictionary.app is able to use properly formated
> dictionary files. The developer tools include a dictionary development
> kit.
>
>
> I informed Jim Breen about that and he seemed to be interested in
> trying to port edict to that format.
I am indeed. It seems reasonably straightforward as the data is just
wrapped in
fairly well-structured XHTML. There are a few issues to be sorted out
regarding
the indexing and the subsequent display of the entries. I am going to
generate
some samples for Jean-Christophe to trial, but all going well, I hope
to add
it daily generation run.
> I am sure other formats can relatively easily be converted to that
> format.
Apropos of other formats, I am also exploring whether I could add an
EPWING
version of JMdict/EDICT to the daily generation. As Eric Nichols
mentioned,
Hannes Loeffler has done a lot of work on this, and I have asked
Hannes if
he could help by contributing his scripts. I'm not a great fan of
EPWING
but with a number of packages such as Jamming able to use it, I should
seriously consider making it part of the repertoire.
Also on other formats, I have wondered about putting out versions
suitable
to be used as glossary files with TM systems. I had a brief discussion
with
Ryan Ginstrom about this at IJET in Bath, but haven't taken it
further. As
far as I can recall, it would mainly mean stripping out yomikata, PoS
info,
etc, and for polysemous words having a separate line per sense. Time
to
(re)activate that if people are interested in having that format
available.
Cheers
Jim Breen