Proceeding year

[Minoru Mochizuki]

Have you encountered a phrase “proceeding year” (not preceding year)?

 

Is it synonymous to “the current year”?

 

It is found in a business agreement and either proceeding or preceding makes sense in the sentence (except it means differently, I suppose).

 

Minoru Mochizuki

[TimL...@aol.com]

As you say, it looks as if it might mean "current year", but no, I have never encountered it, and think that it is dangerously imprecise as contractual wording. Looks as if someone decided to save legal costs by writing their own contract(s).

 

Regards

Tim

 

PS - of course it may already be common usage in some of the many strands of English around the world, but I prefer to think not.

[Peter Tuffley]

I second the above.

Peter

[Brian Chandler]

Peter Tuffley wrote:
> On 20/03/2010, at 8:33 PM, TimL...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > As you say, it looks as if it might mean "current year", but no, I have never encountered it, and think that it is dangerously imprecise as contractual wording. Looks as if someone decided to save legal costs by writing their own contract(s).

Well, "proceed" means to "advance", so I'm sure it's possible in
poetry to use "the proceeding year" to refer to any year
underdiscussion, with a connotations of expansive time. But in a
contract it's surely most likely to be a mistake. For what, who knows?

I take exception to your notion that the presence of errors,
omissions, obscurities etc is the slightest indication it wasn't
written by a lawyer. (Read about the SCO-Novell trial at http://groklaw.net
if you want to see how lawyers can screw things up: Amendment 2 "Did
it transfer the copyrights or not?")

Brian Chandler

[Minoru Mochizuki]

Judging from the responses, it seems that everyone thinks that the particular phrase is odd.

 

Now the actual sentence in the agreement is:

“This Value will be defined every January for the proceeding year.   However, if business conditions require a review of this Value during the year, a new Value may be established at that time, for the balance of the year.”

 

Judging from the sentence, I would say that it is rather logical to assume that it is used to mean the current year.

 

I submitted my Japanese translation based on the assumption.

 

Minoru

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[Rusty Allred]

From: hon...@googlegroups.com [mailto:hon...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Minoru Mochizuki

Now the actual sentence in the agreement is:

“This Value will be defined every January for the proceeding year.   However, if business conditions require a review of this Value during the year, a new Value may be established at that time, for the balance of the year.”

 

Judging from the sentence, I would say that it is rather logical to assume that it is used to mean the current year.

 

Minoru

 

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There is nothing at all odd about it. It technically means the year (proceeding) from this point. In some situations in could refer to the next calendar year, in others it might mean the current calendar year. I would guess in many situations it’s some combination. For example, in an agreement dated today, it would probably mean from today (20 March 2010) until one year from today (19 March 2011).

 

Rusty Allred

ru...@mustangtechnology.com

Plano, Texas USA

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[Minoru Mochizuki]

So I see that one NES person supports my understanding of the phrase, after all.

The document in question seemed to have written by a U.S. lawyer judging from the address of a party of the agreement.

 

As I see it, this is another example that being a native speaker has limitations on their own mother tongue and there is nothing new about it.

I would say that users, translation agents and translators, should not have blind trust on native speaker’s value.

As we have seen on this forum, JNS have difference of opinions among themselves on how to use Japanese words in communications.

 

Minoru Mochizuki

[Richard Thieme]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Minoru Mochizuki" <min...@rhythm.ocn.ne.jp>
To: <hon...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject: RE: Proceeding year

> Judging from the responses, it seems that everyone thinks that the
> particular phrase is odd.
>
>
>
> Now the actual sentence in the agreement is:
>
> "This Value will be defined every January for the proceeding year.
> However, if business conditions require a review of this Value during the
> year, a new Value may be established at that time, for the balance of the
> year."
>

That is a little different, and is quite clear. It means the year from that
January forward. I assume the text have already defined a year as being from
January through December. If it has not, then the text is still unclear as
you don't precisely know when the year starts, but that would be a problem
regardless.

Regards,

Richard Thieme

[Richard Thieme]

(snip)

>>
>I assume the text have already defined a year as being from
> January through December.

--> I assume the text has . . .

Sorry about that.

Richard Thieme