AGC Realty Pvt. Ltd. has formally declared the change of its project plan for its project Homes 121
sushil simoliya
Ø The tower (W) will be built right at the entrance and is going to replace a single storey building for the earlier proposed club.
Ø The aforementioned change will increase the density of population residing in the project very substantially.
Ø Increase in number of flats in a small plot of land.
Ø The new Tower (14 floors or more) hence will block the sunlight for the gardens and the open area in the centre.
Ø The number of towers in the project increased as opposed to the promised number of towers in the project.
Ø lower the face value of the project
Please act as early as possible.
Regards,
Sushil Simoliya
Ph: 9810559552
senthil kumar
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Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 3:23:17 PM
Subject: AGC Realty Pvt. Ltd. has formally declared the change of its project plan for its project Homes 121
Alok Gupta
I agree that it's not a good practice to change the layout of the project plan, but before continuing for any legal action lets discuss the legal stand we have on this issue.
Ø The tower (W) will be built right at the entrance and is going to replace a single storey building for the earlier proposed club.
:- the original layout was having a tower in front of 2nd entrance gate (facing towards FNG) since they removed this tower for the benefit of the society(air and ventilation) they need to compensate the builtup area with a new tower. If they increase the height of the towers it would delay the possession, hence they planned to put this tower above the club.
Ø The aforementioned change will increase the density of population residing in the project very substantially.
Ø Increase in number of flats in a small plot of land.
Ø The new Tower (14 floors or more) hence will block the sunlight for the gardens and the open area in the centre.
Ø The number of towers in the project increased as opposed to the promised number of towers in the project.
Ø lower the face value of the project
Regarding the small area of the swimming pool and the club:- AGC never claimed what would be the total area of the club and swimming pool in any of their document. How could this be proved? If you say by the Layout diagram, where it is written that the area u are assumming is actually swimming pool? The same is valid of club. All they have claimed that the club would have certain facilities but not the area.
Construction is going on good swing and WE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM DOING ANYTHING THAT WOULD DELAY THE POSSESSION OF THE FLATS. ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE OUR LOSS.
Guy's, I am not a legal expert but the above points do not convince me for any legal action. I may be wrong also. I would request everybody in this forum to respond and lets build up a concenseus before taking any move.
However, I totally agree that they could not charge club facing PLC for towers developed arounf tower W. This issue could be raised with builder now or at the time of possession.
Thanks
Alok
9654606210
KULDEEP NEGI
shilpa bhadoria
Please act .. as soon as possible because we are running out of time
and there has been no action yet.
Regards,
Sushil
aman garg
sushils...@gmail.com
Yes l am a lawyer and we hold two flats in homes 121 L 703 and L 704 in the name of shilpa bhadoria and DPS bhadoria... Any one wanting to check may verify... And I am interested and affected by ajnara's cheating .. Sushil is also a lawyer and since I am in employment and can't take up the case ..he is acting to help me.
Since the flat is in my name my number has been given.
Also We are not getting any publicity by acting for own interest.. What publicity will writing on a public forum with only a bunch of members get us .. If we really want to publisize we would have gone to the media againt ajnara ...
Hope this clarifies your doubts.
Let me clarify ... I am not interested in convincing anyone , those willing to join in acting against the cheating may join... It is individual decision ... Why we are taking this effort is to ensure that adequate pressure is build on the builder.
Regards,
Shilpa
Ph 9810559552
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shilpab...@gmail.com
Yes l am a lawyer and I have mentioned that earleir ... we hold two flats in homes 121 L 703 and L 704 in the name of shilpa bhadoria and DPS bhadoria... Any one wanting to check may verify... And I am interested and affected by ajnara's cheating .. Sushil is also a lawyer and since I am in employment and can't take up the case ..he is acting to help me.
Since the flat is in my name my number has been given.
Also We are not getting any publicity by acting for own interest.. What publicity will writing on a public forum with only a bunch of members get us .. If we really want to publisize we would have gone to the media againt ajnara ...
Hope this clarifies your doubts.
Let me clarify ... I am not interested in convincing anyone , those willing to join in acting against the cheating may join... It is individual decision ... Why we are taking this effort is to ensure that adequate pressure is build on the builder.
Regards,
Shilpa
sushils...@gmail.com
Regards,
Sushil
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Dear Sushil and All,
I saw many more links on web updated with the same concern in last 2-3 days .
http://www.clientcomplain.com/view_comments.php?mode=single_complain&complain_id=5391&status=skip_login#
http://www.complaints-india.com/productcomplaints/2625/Homes-121.html
http://www.complaints-idia.com/complaints/3021/Change-of-Plan-by-Ajnara-after-allotment-cheating.html
http://www.consumercourtforum.in/f55/ajnara-gulshan-homz-homes-121-change-plan-agc-13550/
This makes me a bit confused as if this is the right way to fight the builder . Rather we are tarnishing the image of our own property . Ajnara and Gulson homes will hardly have any impact as they are coming up with more projects in Noida and also they have 1600 consumers in Homes 121 alone . These blogs will positively work towards depreciating the value of your property rather than the new tower .
My suggestion and humble request will be not to take up this route of putting the same content on various forum . Rather than to discuss with AGC and decide the viable solution .
As far as my knowledge is concerned I don’t think till date more than 5% cases of legal issue between consumer and builder got successful rather than it delays the construction and also depreciate the quality leading to depreciation of the face value of the property . Still everyone feels that is the best way then let’s take it forward or any better solution with explanation will be welcome .
Thanks,
Gautam
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Thanks and regards
Sushil
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Hey Guys...
I think Sushil must be running short of complaint sites by now....Please suggest him some more...
I don't know if the addition of another tower will lower the face value of the project or not, but such complaints on public forums will definitely do.- Paras
The tower (W) will be built right at the entrance and is going to replace a single storey building for the earlier proposed club.
Some of our group friends visited AGC for this change earlier and AGC explained as follows
:- the original layout was having a tower in front of 2nd entrance gate (facing towards FNG) since they removed this tower for the benefit of the society(air and ventilation) they need to compensate the builtup area with a new tower. If they increase the height of the towers it would delay the possession, hence they planned to put this tower above the club.
The aforementioned change will increase the density of population residing in the project very substantially.
The total built up area is decided by the rules setup by the authority(FAR) not by the builder and builder has full right to utilize this area. In one of our earlier discussion with AGC they informed that they could develop total 18K sq. ft of area. Authority is there to check if they increase this.
Increase in number of flats in a small plot of land.
Same as above
The new Tower (14 floors or more) hence will block the sunlight for the gardens and the open area in the centre.
Noida authority have stringent rules regarding this like what space should be left between towers etc. So again authority is there to check this. Authority has Engineers and architects and as they already passed this plan it is assumed that they have done as per there rules.
The number of towers in the project increased as opposed to the promised number of towers in the project.
Actually the number is same as per the original plan.
lower the face value of the project
How could anyone decide this?
Regarding the small area of the swimming pool and the club:- AGC never claimed what would be the total area of the club and swimming pool in any of their document. How could this be proved? If you say by the Layout diagram, where it is written that the area u are assumming is actually swimming pool? The same is valid of club. All they have claimed that the club would have certain facilities but not the area.
Construction is going on good swing and WE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM DOING ANYTHING THAT WOULD DELAY THE POSSESSION OF THE FLATS. ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE OUR LOSS.
Guy's, I am not a legal expert but the above points do not convince me for any legal action. I may be wrong also. I would request everybody in this forum to respond and lets build up a concenseus before taking any move.
However, I totally agree that they could not charge club facing PLC for towers developed arounf tower W. This issue could be raised with builder now or at the time of possession.
Thanks
Alok
9654606210
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 3:23 PM, sushil simoliya <sushils...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Please be informed that AGC Realty Pvt. Ltd. has formally declared the
> change of its project plan for its project Homes 121 as was anticipated in a
> lot of discussions on our google group homes121. The new plan is now posted
> on the builder's website www.homes121.com .
>
> The new plan has a new Tower W right at the entrance of the project instead
> of the club house which was shown in the earlier plan. The size of the
> swimming pool has also been reduced and the swimming pool in this new plan
> only looks like a kids pool.
>
> I am willing and offering to issue a legal no tice on all allottee's behalf
> to the builder. However, to issue the legal notice on your behalf i will
> need a letter of authority the draft for which is enclosed. Request all of
> you to please take a print of the draft and fill in yours name, address, the
> flat no. allotted to you and sign the letter of authority and post is to me
> at the following address:
>
> Sushil Simoliya
> Flat No. 62 (Top Floor), Sector 11, Pocket -3
> Dwarka, New Delhi.
> Ph: 9810559552
>
> Request you to send in your letters as early as possible for enabling a
> quick and timely action.
>
> Additionally, would request you to give your consent to collective action
> against this cheating done by the builder by replying to this mail and
> clearly stating the following in your reply:
>
> "I ____________________________ R/O __________________________ allottee
> of flat no. _ _____________ in AGC Realty Pvt. Ltd. ’s project Homes 121 in
> Sector 121 Noida hereby authorize Advocate Sushil Simoliya to issue a legal
> notice to AGC Realty Pvt. Ltd. with regard to change of plan of the project
> as opposed to what was promised to me at the time of booking of the
> project. The project plan has been changed to include a new tower W in the
> project thereby increasing the number of flats and over all density of the
> project."
> We need to assert our rights and demand action from the builder to ensure
> that the builder doesnot change the lay out plan as per his desire to earn
> huge sum of money at our cost by selling these new flats . The change of
> plan is detremiental to us in the following ways:
>
> The tower (W) will be built right at the entrance and is going to replace
> a single storey building for the earlier proposed club.
>
>
>
&g t; T he aforementioned change will increase the density of population
> residing in the project very substantially.
>
>
>
> Increase in number of flats in a small plot of land.
>
>
>
> The new Tower (14 floors or more) hence will block the sunlight for the
> gardens and the open area in the centre.
>
>
>
> The number of towers in the project increased as opposed to the promised
> number of towers in the project.
>
>
>
> lower the face value of the project
>
>
>
> Please act as early as possible.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Sushil Simoliya
>
> Ph: 9810559552
>
>
>
>
>
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Amit Arora
sushils...@gmail.com
Amit, paras and gautam,
Please understand that I see negative pubicity for ajnara as a better option than sitting quiet as they will have to answer a hundred quetions before they sell any new project .... I have tried speaking to the builder but got an answer from the that " do what ever you all like but we are changing the plan" . So you see they are not willing to honour their commitment.
Do you think that they are going to listen to you if you speak to them ?? Have you ever tried speaking to them .. Plz go ahead and try .. I am willing to accompany you if need be .. You will get a plain NO for an answer from the builder.
In this case the only option is to sit quiet and accept what they do or to speak up. Choice is very individual.
Also, would like to know if you have a better suggestion of what should be done.
Regards,
Shilpa
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> "I____________________________ R/O __________________________ allottee
> of flat no.______________ in AGC Realty Pvt. Ltd. ’s project Homes 121 in
sushils...@gmail.com
Shilpa and I are family and she has booked flats L 703 and L 704 ... She is in employment with a company and can't take any legal action herself .. I am therefore acting as her representative/ lawyer ... For she has asked me to do so. Hope that clears your doubt.. She has access to all my mails and I have access to all her mails our mail ids are shilpab...@gmail.com and my mail I'd is sushils...@gmail.com. She has also seconded what I am stating in a mail to the goup. So u see we are together
You can call her at 9810559552.. Request you to... please verify before making baseless allegations ... ... Well please do consult another lawyer and also let affected parties know of what is the advise .. I am not earning anything out of this whole mess that you guys are in ... I am just helping.
Regards,
Shilpa
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I must tell that we have to handle this issue in a different way, i can site several such cases where fighting with builders would result in unnecessary delay or problems etc...But there are certain people who will benefit if we file a case...? let's get practical..all cases results in builder spending in money to get it cleared.
> "I____________________________ R/O__________________________ allottee
sushils...@gmail.com
Shilpa and I are family and she has booked flats L 703 and L 704 ... She is in employment with a company and can't take any legal action herself .. I am therefore acting as her representative/ lawyer ... For she has asked me to do so. Hope that clears your doubt.. She has access to all my mails and I have access to all her mails our mail ids are shilpab...@gmail.com and my mail I'd is sushils...@gmail.com. She has also seconded what I am stating in a mail to the goup. So u see we are together
You can call her at 9810559552.. Request you to... please verify before making baseless allegations ... ... Well please do consult another lawyer and also let affected parties know of what is the advise .. I am not earning anything out of this whole mess that you guys are in ... I am just helping.
Sushil
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Shilpa and I are family and she has booked flats L 703 and L 704 ... She is in employment with a company and can't take any legal action herself .. I am therefore acting as her representative/ lawyer ... For she has asked me to do so. Hope that clears your doubt.. She has access to all my mails and I have access to all her mails our mail ids are shilpab...@gmail.com and my mail I'd is sushils...@gmail.com. She has also seconded what I am stating in a mail to the goup. So u see we are together
You can call her at 9810559552.. Request you to... please verify before making baseless allegations ... ... Well please do consult another lawyer and also let affected parties know of what is the advise .. I am not earning anything out of this whole mess that you guys are in ... I am just helping.
Shilpa
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I must tell that we have to handle this issue in a different way, i can site several such cases where fighting with builders would result in unnecessary delay or problems etc...But there are certain people who will benefit if we file a case...? let's get practical..all cases results in builder spending in money to get it cleared.
> "I____________________________ R/O__________________________ allottee
shilpab...@gmail.com
It is indeed very sad that we cannot have a consesus among the owners.. And because of which the builder is being able to do what ever he likes.
The only basis that you have mentioned for your doubt is that we are lawyers .. But you fail to understand that we are owners of flats who are lawyers . I am equally affected if the project is not build as promised for I hold two flats.
Sushil is acting as a lawyer for me and is allowed to access my mails. I would want to consult your lawyer also for this issue .. If he can offer a better solution let's go for it.
Regards,
Shilpa
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Paras Gupta
Hey Guys...
I think Sushil must be running short of complaint sites by now....Please suggest him some more...
I don't know if the addition of another tower will lower the face value of the project or not, but such complaints on public forums will definitely do.- Paras
---------- Original message ----------
From:"Gautam Sinha"< Gautam...@infosys.com >
Date: 5 Aug 10 11:17:26
The tower (W) will be built right at the entrance and is going to replace a single storey building for the earlier proposed club.
Some of our group friends visited AGC for this change earlier and AGC explained as follows
:- the original layout was having a tower in front of 2nd entrance gate (facing towards FNG) since they removed this tower for the benefit of the society(air and ventilation) they need to compensate the builtup area with a new tower. If they increase the height of the towers it would delay the possession, hence they planned to put this tower above the club.
The aforementioned change will increase the density of population residing in the project very substantially.
The total built up area is decided by the rules setup by the authority(FAR) not by the builder and builder has full right to utilize this area. In one of our earlier discussion with AGC they informed that they could develop total 18K sq. ft of area. Authority is there to check if they increase this.
Increase in number of flats in a small plot of land.
Same as above
The new Tower (14 floors or more) hence will block the sunlight for the gardens and the open area in the centre.
Noida authority have stringent rules regarding this like what space should be left between towers etc. So again authority is there to check this. Authority has Engineers and architects and as they already passed this plan it is assumed that they have done as per there rules.
The number of towers in the project increased as opposed to the promised number of towers in the project.
Actually the number is same as per the original plan.
lower the face value of the project
How could anyone decide this?
Regarding the small area of the swimming pool and the club:- AGC never claimed what would be the total area of the club and swimming pool in any of their document. How could this be proved? If you say by the Layout diagram, where it is written that the area u are assumming is actually swimming pool? The same is valid of club. All they have claimed that the club would have certain facilities but not the area.
Construction is going on good swing and WE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM DOING ANYTHING THAT WOULD DELAY THE POSSESSION OF THE FLATS. ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE OUR LOSS.
Guy's, I am not a legal expert but the above points do not convince me for any legal action. I may be wrong also. I would request everybody in this forum to respond and lets build up a concenseus before taking any move.
However, I totally agree that they could not charge club facing PLC for towers developed arounf tower W. This issue could be raised with builder now or at the time of possession.
Thanks
Alok
9654606210
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 3:23 PM, sushil simoliya <sushils...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Please be informed that AGC Realty Pvt. Ltd. has formally declared the
> change of its project plan for its project Homes 121 as was anticipated in a
> lot of discussions on our google group homes121. The new plan is now posted
> on the builder's website www.homes121.com .
>
> The new plan has a new Tower W right at the entrance of the project instead
> of the club house which was shown in the earlier plan. The size of the
> swimming pool has also been reduced and the swimming pool in this new plan
> only looks like a kids pool.
>
> I am willing and offering to issue a legal no tice on all allottee's behalf
> to the builder. However, to issue the legal notice on your behalf i will
> need a letter of authority the draft for which is enclosed. Request all of
> you to please take a print of the draft and fill in yours name, address, the
> flat no. allotted to you and sign the letter of authority and post is to me
> at the following address:
>
> Sushil Simoliya
> Flat No. 62 (Top Floor), Sector 11, Pocket -3
> Dwarka, New Delhi.
> Ph: 9810559552
>
> Request you to send in your letters as early as possible for enabling a
> quick and timely action.
>
> Additionally, would request you to give your consent to collective action
> against this cheating done by the builder by replying to this mail and
> clearly stating the following in your reply:
>
> "I ____________________________ R/O __________________________ allottee
> of flat no. _ _____________ in AGC Realty Pvt. Ltd. ’s project Homes 121 in
> Sector 121 Noida hereby authorize Advocate Sushil Simoliya to issue a legal
> notice to AGC Realty Pvt. Ltd. with regard to change of plan of the project
> as opposed to what was promised to me at the time of booking of the
> project. The project plan has been changed to include a new tower W in the
> project thereby increasing the number of flats and over all density of the
> project."
> We need to assert our rights and demand action from the builder to ensure
> that the builder doesnot change the lay out plan as per his desire to earn
> huge sum of money at our cost by selling these new flats . The change of
> plan is detremiental to us in the following ways:
>
> The tower (W) will be built right at the entrance and is going to replace
> a single storey building for the earlier proposed club.
>
>
>
&g t; T he aforementioned change will increase the density of population
> residing in the project very substantially.
>
>
>
> Increase in number of flats in a small plot of land.
>
>
>
> The new Tower (14 floors or more) hence will block the sunlight for the
> gardens and the open area in the centre.
>
>
>
> The number of towers in the project increased as opposed to the promised
> number of towers in the project.
>
>
>
> lower the face value of the project
>
>
>
> Please act as early as possible.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Sushil Simoliya
>
> Ph: 9810559552
>
>
>
>
>
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I must tell that we have to handle this issue in a different way, i can site several such cases where fighting with builders would result in unnecessary delay or problems etc...But there are certain people who will benefit if we file a case...? let's get practical..all cases results in builder spending in money to get it cleared.
Gautam Sinha
Dear Sushil and All,
I saw many more links on web updated with the same concern in last 2-3 days .
http://www.clientcomplain.com/view_comments.php?mode=single_complain&complain_id=5391&status=skip_login#
http://www.complaints-india.com/productcomplaints/2625/Homes-121.html
http://www.complaints-idia.com/complaints/3021/Change-of-Plan-by-Ajnara-after-allotment-cheating.html
http://www.consumercourtforum.in/f55/ajnara-gulshan-homz-homes-121-change-plan-agc-13550/
This makes me a bit confused as if this is the right way to fight the builder . Rather we are tarnishing the image of our own property . Ajnara and Gulson homes will hardly have any impact as they are coming up with more projects in Noida and also they have 1600 consumers in Homes 121 alone . These blogs will positively work towards depreciating the value of your property rather than the new tower .
My suggestion and humble request will be not to take up this route of putting the same content on various forum . Rather than to discuss with AGC and decide the viable solution .
As far as my knowledge is concerned I don’t think till date more than 5% cases of legal issue between consumer and builder got successful rather than it delays the construction and also depreciate the quality leading to depreciation of the face value of the property . Still everyone feels that is the best way then let’s take it forward or any better solution with explanation will be welcome .
Thanks,
Gautam
From: KULDEEP NEGI
[mailto:kulde...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:36 PM
To: Alok Gupta
Cc: sushil simoliya; bhawna...@gmail.com; Gautam Sinha;
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er.sush...@gmail.com; snehab...@gmail.com; anoo...@gmail.com;
ashish.g...@gmail.com; shekhar...@gmail.com;
kumara...@yahoo.co.in; dipesh...@gmail.com; akhta...@gmail.com;
dilmoha...@gmail.com; hellok...@gmail.com;
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