FW: Gayatri Mantra and Scientific Implication

[Bharat Churiwala]

 

Gayatri Mantra and Scientific Implication GAYATRI MANTRA AND MANTRA'S SCIENTIFIC INTERPRETATION        Gayatri mantra has been bestowed the greatest importance in Vedic dharma. This mantra has also been termed as Savitri and Ved-Mata, the mother of the Vedas. Om bhur bhuvah swah Tat savitur varenyam Bhargo devasya dheemahi Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat The literal meaning of the mantra is: O God! You are Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Almighty, You are all Light. You are all Knowledge and Bliss. You are Destroyer of fear, You are Creator of this Universe, You are the Greatest of all. We bow and meditate upon Your light. You guide our intellect in the right direction. The mantra, however, has a great scientific importance too, which somehow got lost in the literary tradition. The modern astrophysics and astronomy tell us that our Galaxy called Milky Way or Akash-Ganga contains approximately 100,000 million of stars. Each star is like our sun having its own planet system. We know that the moon moves round the earth and the earth moves round the sun along with the moon. All planets round the sun. Each of the above bodies revolves round at its own axis as well. Our sun along with its family takes one round of the galactic center in 22.5 crore years. All galaxies including ours are moving away at a terrific velocity of 20,000 miles per second.     The alternative scientific meaning of the mantra Line by Line   Line 1:  OM BHUR BHUVAH SWAH: Bhur the earth, bhuvah the planets (solar family), swah the Galaxy. We observe that when an ordinary fan with a speed of 900 RPM (rotations Per minute) moves, it makes noise. Then, one can imagine, what great noise would be created when the galaxies move with a speed of 20,000 miles per second. This is what this portion of the mantra explains that the sound produced due to the fast-moving earth, planets and galaxies is Om. The sound was heard during meditation by Rishi Vishvamitra, who mentioned it to other colleagues. All of them, then unanimously decided to call this sound Om the name of God, because this sound is available in all the three periods of time, hence it is set (permanent). Therefore, it was the first ever revolutionary idea to identify formless God with a specific title (form) called upadhi. Until that time, everybody recognized God as formless and nobody was prepared to accept this new idea. In the Gita also, it is said, "Omiti ekaksharam brahma", meaning that the name of the Supreme is Om , which contains only one syllable (8/12). This sound Om heard during samadhi was called by all the seers nada-brahma a very great noise), but not a noise that is normally heard beyond a specific amplitude and limits of decibels suited to human hearing. Hence the rishis called this sound Udgith musical sound of the above, i.e., heaven. They also noticed that the infinite mass of galaxies moving with a velocity of 20,000 miles/second was generating a kinetic energy = 1/2 MV2 and this was balancing the total energy consumption of the cosmos. Hence they named it Pranavah, which means the body (vapu) or store house of energy (prana).   Line 2:   TAT SAVITUR VARENYAM: Tat that (God), savitur the sun (star), varenyam worthy of bowing or respect. Once the form of a person along with the name is known to us, we may locate the specific person.Hence the two titles (upadhi) provide the solid ground to identify the formless God, Vishvamitra suggested. He told us that we could know (realize) the unknowable formless God through the known factors, viz., sound Om and light of suns (stars). A mathematician can solve an equation x2+y2=4; if x=2; then y can be known and so on. An engineer can measure the width of a river even by standing at the riverbank just by drawing a triangle. So was the scientific method suggested by Vishvamitra in the mantra in the next portion as under:- Line 3: BHARGO DEVASYA DHEEMAHI: Bhargo the light, devasya of the deity, dheemahi we should meditate. The rishi instructs us to meditate upon the available form (light of suns) to discover the formless Creator (God). Also he wants us to do japa of the word Om (this is understood in the Mantra). This is how the sage wants us to proceed, but there is a great problem to realize it, as the human mind is so shaky and restless that without the grace of the Supreme (Brahma) it cannot be controlled. Hence Vishvamitra suggests the way to pray Him as under:   Line 4: DHIYO YO NAH PRACHODAYAT Dhiyo (intellect), yo (who), nah (we all), prachodayat (guide to right Direction). O God! Deploy our intellect on the right path. Full scientific interpretation of the Mantra: The earth (bhur), the planets (bhuvah), and the galaxies (swah) are moving at a very great velocity, the sound produced is Om , (the name of formless God.) That God (tat), who manifests Himself in the form of light of suns (savitur) is worthy of bowing/respect (varenyam). We all, therefore, should meditate (dheemahi) upon the light (bhargo) of that deity (devasya) and also do chanting of Om. May He (yo) guide in right direction (prachodayat) our(nah) intellect dhiyo.     The important points hinted in the mantra are 1) The total kinetic energy generated by the movement of galaxies acts as an umbrella and balances the total energy consumption of the cosmos. Hence it was named as the Pranavah (body of energy). This is equal to 1/2 mv2 (Mass of galaxies x square of velocity.)   2) Realizing the great importance of the syllable OM , the other later date religions adopted this word with a slight change in accent, viz., Amen and Ameen.                                   -----------------------------------------------------------------------------  Gayatri Mantra and Scientific Implication  Dinesh Vora  So Memorize and Chant Mantra everyday

[Girish]

I see a number of errors in this.

While I agree that there's much we do not understand in the cosmos, these half-baked ideas do no merit to Hinduism or to cosmology.

> Then, one can imagine, what great noise would be created when the galaxies move with a speed of 20,000 miles per second.

There would be no sound - the propagation of sound requires a medium - and in space there is no medium. How then would there be any noise ?

The fan makes noise because there is an atmosphere through which it is moving.

>A mathematician can solve an equation x2+y2=4; if x=2; then y can be known and so on

No - "y" cannot be known  by knowing the value of "x"

if x = 2, then y = 0, for all other values of y, x can take one of two values for e.g. if x =1, all we can say is that y = +1.732 or -1.732

Let's not use such imprecise arguments to persuade people to chant the Gayatri !

-G

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[Tirtha Mitra]

Dear Girishji,
Namashkar and thank you for your comments.
In ancient times our Rishis looked within their mind to realize the truth. With this they explained many physical phenomenon. While western world in Egypt and other places looked outward in search of truth. We should have complete faith on our scriptures. We need not be ashamed of them and try to explain them with the help of physical science. It is like trying to measure the size of an atom with a yard stick. Can it be done? Even atom and subatomic particles exist in theory and have not been seen by anyone. Do we doubt their existence? Therefore, why question Om and the existence of cosmic sound or Naada Brahma. How can we compare Om with a fan sound which is created with air? Our crude mind can not explain or understand these subtle things. In trying to over simplify these, based on some equation or western theory, we are belittling the knowledge of our ancient Rishis. Actually our mind is polluted and we need to sharpen our intellect with spiritual practice to understand these subtle truths. Sri Ramakrishna has repeatedly said that a one seer (ltr) pot can not hold 10 seer water. It is mere foolish on our part in trying to explain the greatness of Gayatri Mantra with the help of physical science. The physical science itself is relative and changes in cosmic plane as the time is changed. It is therefore, wise to refrain from generating such explanation. Let us understand our limitation. We can not know or understand everything.
Jai Sri Ramakrishna

Tirthankar

[Sankhadip Das]

Here is another nice explanation:

Q: What is the meaning of Gayatri Mantra?

A: We shall try to understand Gayatri Mantra as in Yajurveda 36.3:

ॐ भूर्भुवः स्वः तत् सवितुर्वरेण्यं । भर्गो देवस्य धीमहि । धियो यो नः प्रचोदयात् ॥

tát savitúr váreṇyaṃ bhárgo devásya dhīmahi dhíyo yó naḥ pracodáyāt

You can find the detailed meaning from Chapter 3 of Satyarth Prakash or Light of Truth. We provide the essence here:

Literal Meaning of Gayatri Mantra

O One and Only One Ultimate Omnipotent Omniscient Ishwar!

You are Bhoo – the foundation of life in entire universe and unborn! You are dearer than life because life is sustained by you!

You are Buvah – completely devoid of sorrow. When we achieve you, all our sorrows vanish away.

You are Swah – the sustainer and maintainer of entire world and provider of all the bliss.

You are Savituh – the creator of entire world and provide us all the prosperities

You are Devah – who only gives and gives and never takes anything. Who is desired by all. Who is Brilliant, Who is enlightening!

Varenyam – You alone are worth being accepted. There is nothing except you that is worthwhile. When you are achieved, everything is achieved. And when you are not achieved, nothing is achieved. Because you are the source of everything.

Bhargah – You are pure and without any imperfections. You are the ultimate cleanser. Nothing unclean remains when one achieves you. You represent the most perfect state of purity!

Tat – Such are your characteristics that nothing else apart from you is worthwhile.

Dheemahi – We only accept you through our intellect. We utilize our power of thinking to think of you alone.

Dhiyo Yo Nah Prachodayat – Because it is you who has and who will enlighten our intellect. It is only you who will lead us from wrong towards right, from miseries towards bliss, from impurity towards purity, from Adharma towards Dharma, from hatred towards love, from evil deeds towards noble efforts.

Overall Meaning of Gayatri Mantra

O dearest Ishwar, you are the most capable, you alone are full of bliss, you are perfect in all manner, you are unchangeable, you are unborn, you are undying, you love us so much, you give us birth, you care for us 24*7*365 from eternity to eternity, you alone are worth being loved.

You alone are worth being admired. You alone are worth being aspired. You only give and give and there is nothing that we can give you. Even this intellect through which we admire you and through which we enjoy all the blessings you have showered upon us in form of prosperity and bliss has been gifted by you.

O dearest Ishwar, there is no way we can repay you for all your kindness and love and care.

So we humbly promise only one thing – that this intellect which you have gifted us, we shall direct this intellect towards you.

We shall contemplate upon you alone because it is you who gave us this power to contemplate. You have enlightened us and we shall seek only you through this enlightenment.

We shall establish a direct connection with you and have no agents in between. We will use all the resources you have bestowed upon us through this magnificent creation to only seek you.

We shall not be affected by what happens in our surroundings, we shall not be affected by temporary instincts of pleasure and happiness, we shall not be affected by temporary loss, profit, happiness, sorrow, praises and insults and remain defiant in seeking you and you alone through our minds, our intellect and all the action we perform through this intellect.

The Universal Law of Gayatri and how to apply it in life!

Gayatri teaches us a fundamental universal law. If we direct the output of a system back to the source, the outputs are further magnified. This law is applicable everywhere – machines, economics, mathematics, society, inter-personal relations.

“Bhargo Devasya Dheemahi Dhiyo Yo Na Prachodayaat” says that if the system is such that there is

Bhargo — the system is without any inefficiency or disorder, the way Ishwar is

Devasya – the source does not keep share for itself and only gives out back whatever is inputted into it.

Dhiyo and Dheemahi come from same root word. Thus if we direct our output (intellect) 100% back to source of intellect, we make it a perfect system causing us to achieve ultimate bliss.

Those who have studied thermodynamics would have read about perpetual machines. The only reason they do not work is because there are inefficiencies in process of energy conversion. Lesser the inefficiency, more the time that the machine works. This analogy also explains our position in this creation. More we direct our intellect towards Ishwar, more we receive His bliss.And when that crosses a threshold we achieve salvation. Similarly, more we direct our attention to study of source of our knowledge – the Vedas – more the bliss we shall obtain for humanity.

The recipe to get rid of all worries, all miseries, all doubts and all negative thoughts and challenges in life is thus very simply summarized in Gayatri Mantra. Simply think of the Ultimate, simply dedicate all thoughts, words and actions to Him alone. Put your best efforts and leave the rest to Him and He shall manage the rest in best possible manner as He is doing even right now!

Doubt: If we only keep thinking about Ishwar as per Gayatri, how do we manage our day to day tasks. For example, if instead of fighting in a battle, the soldier thinks of Ishwar will he not get killed?

A: The doubt only comes when we misunderstand the characteristics of Ishwar. This problem as indicated would come only to those who consider Ishwar to be limited in time and space. Those who think that Ishwar is in a person, body, structure or above skies or sitting on a throne would fail to achieve both Ishwar and success in mundane life without using cheat-codes! Because such a God is different from rest of the world. You can thus be either Godly or worldly.

The concept of Ishwar, as opposed to such a limited God as described above, is much more intuitive and rational. The Vedic Ishwar is everywhere. He is within us and He is outside us. He is in our books, our clothes, plants, our body, our enemies, our friends, our food, our football, our laptop everywhere. Now obviously when such is the Ishwar, thinking about Ishwar does not mean as explained in the doubt. Since Vedic Ishwar is everywhere and without any agents, you are not supposed to think of anything or any person specially or in addition to Ishwar. Since Vedic Ishwar is everywhere, worship of Ishwar lies not in any ritual of Puja or Havan or Namaaz or Prayer but each act as per its purposefulness.

In Vedic parlance, meditating upon Ishwar means to enhance our understanding that it is Ishwar who is managing the whole show and giving us opportunity to reap benefits as per our free will. He is everywhere. When a yogi progresses with such heightened understanding of world around, worship of Ishwar actually means putting efforts to use every gift of Ishwar in best possible manner by use of our intellect.

So it is worship and meditation of Ishwar when a vedic soldier puts full concentration in fighting the enemy, or a Vedic student puts all his mental and physical energies to study and understand the concepts of his subject. Doing whatever you are doing in best possible manner is the true worship of Ishwar as per Gayatri Mantra. And better the focus, better the outcome. More you understand that its not the exam that you are giving, or it is not the war that you are fighting, or it is not the workout you are doing; it is your worship of Ishwar for a higher goal. It is your exemplification of Gayatri Mantra.

Reject all agents between you and Ishwar,
Reject your attachment to fruits of action,
Reject the belief that destiny is not smiling on you,
Reject the belief that you need to do any particular ritual to please Ishwar or change destiny,
Reject all those predictions of palmists and astrologers and their gems,
Reject all those tendencies of looking at planets before starting a noble mission,
Reject the feeling of you being weak compared to an unjust system

and

Simply assert your direct relationship with Ishwar by dedicating all thoughts, words and actions to Him and to fulfill His provided in Vedas as well as your own voice of soul.

Reject even the tendencies of untrained mind that tries to silence that voice of soul by urging you to follow old sinful patterns of purposeless fun and greed.
And reject even the feeling of remorse or guilt that arises after we realize that we acted against our voice of soul (Ishwar’s inspiration) for petty reasons.
Reject all these and become a Vedic warrior committed ONLY to focusing all thoughts ONLY on ONE and ONLY ONE Ishwar and none else.
None means no other demigod, no other prophet, no other worldly thing, not even wasteful thoughts of mind.

This practice of absolute focus on Ishwar brings the wonder that no other thing or concept of ideology or person can ever bring for you!

This is the meaning and essence of the wonderful Gayatri Mantra!

Doubt: Does it mean meditation is meaningless if we are focusing on our immediate tasks as described above?

A: It depends. For a yogi, since he is perfectly in a tranquil meditative state in all his actions, separate meditation would not be necessary. But for rest of us, who are prone to fluctuations of tendencies of mind like anger, fear, desire, lust, hatred, ego, boredom etc, we need to prepare ourselves to reach that stage of constant meditation. For them separate meditation on properties of Ishwar, purpose of our life, our own nature is of utmost importance. This is the time when you try to realize Ishwar, Self and our purpose BEYOND the push-and-pull of daily worldly life or Duniyadaari.

Experts recommend at least 2 hours of such meditation along with disciplined life for those desperately seeking salvation and ultimate bliss. But this meditation is not a mind-blankening exercise. It is an attempt to develop intellectual and emotional connect with the Supreme Entity. We shall discuss the science and art of meditation sometime later. For now, I recommend visiting http://darshanyog.org and reading their books.

Outcome of Gayatri Self-Help

In summary, Gayatri contains the entire mechanism of blissful living in it. I have been meditating on Gayatri for some time now, and each time I discover a new meaning and feel which is beyond by ability to express in words. But the net output are following:

a. Eradication of fear, frustration, tension, doubts and miseries

b. Revival of peak enthusiasm and vigour

c. Realignment of priorities and goals

d. Emergence of new improved ideas, plans and visions

e. Sense of extreme peace and love with self and world

etc etc. All wonderful things you can think of and aspire for!

A practice exercise on Gayatri (Note: The changes could be unimaginable!)

Step 1: Read the meaning of Gayatri mantra as given in this post.

Step 2: Read Gayatri Mantra meaning from Chapter 3 of Satyarth Prakash (preferably Hindi) and study Chapter 7,8,9 of Satyarth Prakash. Take 4-5 hours to complete these two steps. Then keep reviewing from time to time.

Step 3: Listen to the brief Gayatri mantra with meaning attached with this post.

Step 4: Devote 30 minutes daily to contemplate on Gayatri Mantra after Step 3. You can split in 10 minutes each in morning, evening and before sleep.

This may appear mechanical for few days but continue the same for at least 2-3 weeks. Try to feel the meaning and develop emotional connect rather than sticking to each word of the mantra. Let your mind wander to explore more insights beyond the words and try getting lost into the bliss you get. Do not use force but allow mind to calm down and experience the feel. Even if mind drifts and thousands of thoughts come up, stay calm and do not be perturbed. Ignore them rather than force them out and simply focus on feeling the Gayatri. You can use the music of Gayatri bhajan to start with focus or other feelings that come up within you. Enjoy the whole process. In night time, you can sit down on your bed, start submerging into feel of Gayatri, and then gradually slip into sleeping position and keep having the fun till you get into sleep.

Step 5: You would find shifts in your likes and dislikes and views of things. Instead of forcing your ego, flow with your inner voice.

In two to three weeks, you will find a tremendous change in you in terms of sharpened thinking process, intuitiveness, enhanced feeling of confidence and self-sufficiency, things going right much more in life, better inter-personal relationships, enhanced magnetism in personality and a lot more.

This is not magic or miracle in conventional sense. What you would have done in this process is to align yourself with your natural path and derive best benefits from Law of Karma. You have performed a cleansing action on your mind to eradicate negative thought patterns and replaced with the most positive vibes.

Imagine! If this be the miracle in just 15 days *30 minutes, what would the level when one does so for entire life, and with many many more mantras of Vedas and with much more dedication! He would turn into a Ram, Krishna, Patanjali or Dayanand!

Another important point

Gayatri Mantra is in first person plural. This clearly means that bliss of Ishwar does not come in isolation. Whatever you do, you have to rise beyond the ‘Me’ and do for ‘We’. Your goal is not bliss for ‘Me’ but bliss for ‘We’. All your acts and thoughts and words should be for benefit of all souls and not only for you. This feeling of ‘Idanna Mama’ or ‘Nothing personal’ is essence of Vedas and Gayatri.

So if this works for you, you have to ensure it works for as many people you can make it work. And you have to work for uplift of entire humanity. Also note that Gayatri and Vedas is all about self-realization. So there is no concept of force or compulsion to thrust these concepts upon others. You simply love and care for everyone just as mother cow loves its calf!

So enjoy Gayatri, enjoy life and make world a better place! This is the best self-help course you can ever get on this planet!

Some intellectual questions:

Q: Why is this mantra called Gayatri?

A: A technical question not much relevant here. But the word Gayatri refers to the Chhanda or prosody or the way it can be pronounced. Vedic mantras have a variety of Chhandas and the name Gayatri is derived from there.

Q: Is it related to Gayatri Goddess?

A: Its a pity that in their over-enthusiasm people sometimes overdo things. In fact Gayatri mantra is supposed to put a stop to such illogical acts. There is no Gayatri Devi and it is only an imagination of people that too in very recent times. Instead of trying to understand the meaning of Gayatri, they symbolized it as a Goddess and in process went against the very spirit of Gayatri. While I respect their sentiments, all such people should stop such insult to Vedas and return to actual essence of Gayatri – which is worship of One Formless Ishwar. Commoditization of Gayatri Mantra in this manner is an insult to Ishwar.

Q: Is Gayatri Mantra prohibited for ladies?

A: No mantra of Vedas is prohibited for any person regardless of birth or gender. Everyone has equal rights over knowledge of Ishwar in same manner as light of sun. Those who state that women have no rights over Vedas are the greatest enemies of humanity. On contrary, there are mantras in Vedas which state that it is more important that women possess Vedic wisdom because they are the first teachers of next generation.

Q: What about Shudras?

A: Firstly, Shudra refers to lack of education and not any birth-based classification. Those who oppose this, again, are greatest enemies of humanity. Secondly, someone who understands Vedas does not remain a Shudra at all. So everyone has full rights over Gayatri Mantra.

Q: Should Gayatri be adopted from a Guru?

A: This Gurudom is another great nuisance plaguing society. Somewhere we have gurus, somewhere prophets, somewhere babas, somewhere peer-fakir trying to be agents of God. It is always good to understand Vedas from knowledgeable persons. But in absence of them, Ishwar is the ultimate guru and presence of any agent between soul and Ishwar is completely unnecessary. So do not wait for a Guru and make Ishwar your ultimate Guru. And if you find a knowledgeable person to help clarify your concepts, take full benefits from him but never with blind faith. Mortal Guru should never supersede the Ultimate Guru or Ishwar

Q: In which Veda does Gayatri come?

A: We find Gayatri Mantra in Rigveda 3.62.10, Yajurveda 3.35, 22.9, 30.2 and 36.3. The meanings of the mantra are largely the same with some differences depending upon the context of the Hymn or Sukta.

Q: What if this Gayatri recipe does not work for me?

A: The Gayatri recipe on this post comes with money-back guarantee! Just kidding! But that is how many self-help courses sell. What we have provided is a scientific systematic process. It has to work. If it does not, you need to revisit Chapter 3,7,8,9 of Satyarth Prakash. Comment here for any doubts and we would be glad to help. Make sure you try to maintain unity in thoughts, words and actions. Avoid meat, alcohol and vulgar/romantic movies etc for the period. Keep healthy routine – thats it.

Remember that we are trying to go towards our original nature. Anything unnatural may deter you. But if laugh of an innocent child makes you happy, or you find it natural to love your mother, or feel obliged when someone takes pain to help you without selfish interests, then you are human enough to ensure that this will quickly work for you!

Reclaim your ultimate bliss!

From: http://agniveer.com/2291/gayatri/

[Vaibhav Khire]

Girishji,

I can see where you find errors in the explanation. But I think a lot
of them have to do with the wordings used and the concepts which are
simplified.

There is a concept in Yoga called the 'anahat naad', which Yogis hear
in highly elevated states of consciousness. I am sure the same has
been termed as the "Onkar" sound here and at other places. Do we find
a similar concepts in physics? There are some. One is the Cosmic
microwave background radiation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation). This radiation exists anywhere
we can see in the universe and is not attributed to any star, galaxy
etc. It is used as a test for Big Bang and is believed to be present
as a result of the birth of the universe. As I am sure you know,
energy can exist in waves and the same energy which is present in
microwave radiation can be detected by someone as a vibration.
Swamiji mentions that a Yogi's mind is much subtler than a normal
person. What common people perceive as 'sound' can be detected by
Yogis as a naad (which literally can mean vibrations/ringing).

I too am not a fan of oversimplifying physical phenomena just to fit
one's understanding of scriptures. But such is the high level of Vedic
scriptures that we are a point to see some 'plausibility' of the
veracity of their claims. The only way such a claim can be verified is
by self-experience. Only a person who can hear the anaahat naad can
testify for its truth. At our level we can only draw inferences based
on our limited scientific understanding and even more limited
spiritual understanding.

Tirthaji,

I do not think it is right for a disciple of Swami Vivekananda to
simply follow one's scriptures without any understanding. It is also
not fitting to say "We can not know or understand everything." Swamiji
was the rarest 'sadhu' to have completely scientific bend of mind and
I am sure he had a level of understanding of science to assimilate it
with the truths of Rishis. It is with this goal that he met with
Nikola Tesla and other scientists. I think it was his firm belief that
modern science one day will reach the same truths which our ancestors
found. If one goes inside infinitely and finds the truth, one has to
find the same thing by going outside infinitely. There has to be a
conscious effort on our part to analyze the teachings of both Vedanta
and modern science and verify the conclusions of one against another.
If you put science to the test of rigour and say that atom and
molecule have not been seen by anyone (actually they have been), then
the same rigour has to be applied to the claims of our scriptures and
say that even ida-pingala have not been seen by anyone (which they
have been). The same rigour, same intellectual understanding has to go
in religion which goes in science. I think that was the approach of
Swamiji and not simply having faith in scriptures.

Hope you understand my point and not get offended by it.

Hari Om!
Vaibhav.

[Tirtha Mitra]

Vaibhavji,
Thanks for your explanation. I fully agree with your views and there is no contradiction in our thinking. Our Scripture is realized knowledge. It also involves subtle science which can be understood by subtle mind. Our mind is gross and we can not penetrate into the realm of these theory. In order to understand the inner meaning and explanation we need to sharpen our intellect. Swamiji was one of the Sapta Rishis and he was no ordinary being. Sri Ramakrishna did not study anything but he was a true Jnani. One day our scientists might decipher Om. Actually, our education has put a doubt in our mind about the truth behind our scripture. So when we find some similarity between verifiable physical science with scripture we feel happy. It actually strengthen our faith. But we should have firm conviction on the scripture. For the sake of argument, I believe that the theory of relativity is true, because my teachers said so. I never read or even tried to understand it though I am an engineer. Do I go for confirmation of this elsewhere? But the moment it is scriptural message or instruction we start doubting. We need a teacher or scientist to tell us. Why can't we believe a Sadhu or a Yogi? If Swamiji has said something or explained something, it is bound to be true and need not require a verification by a scientist or teacher. Swamiji and Thakur both encouraged their disciples to verify before accepting. But such verification also require preparation of our mind and body. Are we ready for this?
Satwikji is posting dialogue of Mother with Swami Shantanandaji. Our Gurudev Swami Gitanandaji spent some time with Sw Shantanandaji. While meditating and doing Japa, Sw Shantanandaji used to hear Om and he used to ask Sw Gitanandaji if he was also hearing the sound. This incident was narrated to us by Sw Gitanandaji's secretary.
This is just an open discussion and exchange of views. Hence once should be open to receive a counter point or view without feeling bad.
Jai Sri Ramakrishna

Tirtha

[Soorya]

Vaibhav,

 

Nice point about the subtle mind  and perception of "Anaahatha Naada". As it is in the mind the Universe had it's origin, so it follows that subtler levels of the Universe(which our scriptures term to have originated from the primordial sound , 'Om') can be perceived only when the mind is at a subtle mode as well.

But whose mind is it ? :-)  

 

When one says "We cannot understand everything" - it should accurately mean that our minds in the present state cannot understand everything, because "everything"(all of the physical and mental worlds) has been created by this very mind at a higher subtler level ...

 

But we are not the mind...

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Vaibhav Khire <vaibha...@gmail.com> wrote:

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"If a man does not keep pace with his companions perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far." -- Henry David Thoreau