Swami Abhedananda
Kali was well versed in both Eastern and Western philosophies, and enjoyed discussions with Narendra. Latu recalled:
Brother Kali was often busy studying the scriptures and other books. During rare leisure moments he would debate with Brother Loren ( Narendra ). Loren used to silence him very easily, but one day Kali cornered Loren in an argument so well that Loren could not give a reply. Then Loren said:" Let us stop here today. Tomorrow we shall start again from this same point." Brother Kali was very happy for the time being. But the next day Loren began giving new arguments that refuted Kali's points, and Kali had to admit he was beaten." I couldn't defeat Loren for a single day!" he said regretfully. But I told him: " Brother, it is bound to be so. Brother Loren is our leader. How can you surpass him?"