Re: Eat mangoes - do not count leaves

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Utpal Chakrabarty

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Hari Om Ramakrishna,
 
Dear Devotees

Pranam

We have come across this phrase many times which was another one coined by Thakur, namely “eat the mangoes” instead of “counting the leaves”.


I believe it is an overly misused phrase with distortion of the meaning and intent. We find the expression being said at the following places in the Gospel – it is significant to note how and under what circumstances this expression was used.

 

Chapter 24

SHRISH: "God exists and He alone does everything. But the attributes we ascribe to Him are not the right ones. How can a man conceive of Him? His nature is infinite."
 
MASTER: "What need is there of your counting the number of trees and branches in an orchard? You have come to the orchard to eat mangoes. Do that and be happy.
 
Here we find Sirish telling Thakur what is wrong etc. He was not seeking.

 

 Chapter 25
 
PRATAP: "Why does Brahman project the form?"
 
MASTER: "You ask why? Brahman doesn't act in consultation with others. It is Brahman's pleasure. Brahman is self-willed. Why should we try to know the reason for Brahman's acting this way or that? You have come to the orchard to eat mangoes. Eat the mangoes. What is the good of calculating how many trees there are in the orchard, how many thousands of branches, and how many millions of leaves? One cannot realize Truth by futile arguments and reasoning."
 
PRATAP: "Shouldn't we reason any more then?"
 
MASTER: "I am asking you not to indulge in futile reasoning. But reason, by all means, about the Real and the unreal, about what is permanent and what is transitory. You must reason when you are overcome by lust, anger, or grief."
 
Here we find Pratap repeating his question even after Thakur replied that “Bramhan doesn’t act in consultation with others” which is a futile reasoning.

 

 
Chapter 34

BANKIM: …”How can we know of God without knowing something of this world? We should first learn from books."
 
MASTER: …."The one thing you need is to realize God. Why do you bother so much about the world, creation, 'science', and all that? Your business is to eat mangoes. What need have you to know how many hundreds of trees there are in the orchard, how many thousands of branches, and how many millions of leaves? You have come to the garden to eat mangoes. Go and eat them. Man is born in this world to realize God; it is not good to forget that and divert the mind to other things. You have come to eat mangoes. Eat the mangoes and be happy."
 
BANKIM: "Where do we get the mangoes?"
 
MASTER: "Pray to God with a longing heart. He will surely listen to your prayer if it is sincere. Perhaps He will direct you to holy men with whom you can keep company; and that will help you on your spiritual path. Perhaps someone will tell you, 'Do this and you will attain God.'"
 
Here He was not shutting Bankim up – He actually gave the answer to Bankim’s satisfaction.
 
BANKIM: …”How can we know of God without knowing something of this world? We should first learn from books."
 
MASTER: …."The one thing you need is to realize God. Why do you bother so much about the world, creation, 'science', and all that? Your business is to eat mangoes. What need have you to know how many hundreds of trees there are in the orchard, how many thousands of branches, and how many millions of leaves? You have come to the garden to eat mangoes. Go and eat them. Man is born in this world to realize God; it is not good to forget that and divert the mind to other things. You have come to eat mangoes. Eat the mangoes and be happy."
 
BANKIM: "Where do we get the mangoes?"
 
MASTER: "Pray to God with a longing heart. He will surely listen to your prayer if it is sincere. Perhaps He will direct you to holy men with whom you can keep company; and that will help you on your spiritual path. Perhaps someone will tell you, 'Do this and you will attain God.'"
 
Here He was not shutting Bankim up – He actually gave the answer to Bankim’s satisfaction.

 

Chapter 43

PASUPATI: "Sir, what do you think of Theosophy and Spiritualism? Are these true? What do you think of the solar plane, the lunar plane, the stellar plane?"
 
MASTER: "My dear sir, I don't know about these things. Why bother about them so much? You have come to the orchard to eat mangoes. Enjoy them. What is the use of your calculating how many mango-trees there are, how many millions of branches, how many billions of leaves? I have come to the orchard to eat mangoes. Let me enjoy them
 
Here he simply avoided to be interviewed which is not same as seeking

 

Chapter 44
 
VAISHNAVA: "I could believe in rebirth only if an eye-witness told me about it."
 
MASTER: "I don't know about that, my dear sir. I cannot cure my own illness, and you ask me to tell you what happens after death! What you are talking about only shows your petty mind. Try to cultivate love of God. You are born as a human being only to attain divine love. You have come to the orchard to eat mangoes; what need is there of knowing how many thousands of branches and millions of leaves there are in the orchard? To bother about what happens after death! How silly!"
 
Here Vaishnava doubted Thakur’s knowledge out of his arrogance and Thakur had to crush that

 

 

Chapter 47
 
SHYAM: "Sir, if God alone does everything, how is it that man is punished for his sins?"
 
MASTER: "How like a goldsmith you talk!"
 
NARENDRA: "In other words, Shyam Babu has a calculating mind, like a goldsmith, who Weighs things with his delicate balance."
 
MASTER: "I say: O my foolish boy, eat the mangoes and be happy. What is the use of your calculating how many hundreds of trees, how many thousands of branches, and how many millions of leaves there are in the orchard? You have come to the orchard to eat mangoes. Eat them and be contented.
 
Here even young Narendra understood the ulterior objective of the question which was not seeking.

 

Chapter 48
 
DOCTOR: "You see, Dr. Behari Bhaduri always harps on the same thing. He says that Goethe's spirit came out of his body and that Goethe himself saw it. It must have been very amazing."
 
M: "As Sri Ramakrishna says, what shall we gain from these discussions? We have been born in this world in order to cultivate devotion to the Lotus Feet of God. He tells us the story of a man who entered an orchard to eat mangoes. But instead of eating the fruit, he took out pencil and paper and began to jot down the number of trees, branches, and leaves in the orchard. A servant saw him and asked: 'What are you doing? Why have you come here?' The man said: 'I have come here to eat mangoes. I am now counting the trees, branches, and leaves in the orchard.' Thereupon the servant replied: 'If you have come here to eat mangoes, then enjoy
them. What will you gain by counting the trees, branches, and leaves?'
 
Here M used it as irrelevantly as what the doctor said.  

 


Thakur always encouraged "pari prashna" as the Lord recommends in Gita chapter 4. In fact, He was annoyed when someone was advising another one to accept His teaching even without being convinced. 

On the same note, I think Jesus's "judge not lest you be judged" is also widely misquoted. I am sure He was not asking us to be afraid to be judged. All He must have said that because "...we are always trying to judge others’ gods by our own, others’ ideals by our ideals, and others’ motives by our motives..." (Swamiji). 


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Wah Guru Ki Fateh

Utpal Chakrabarty
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