Mother Theresa & Ramakrishna Mission's Works(A Must See One)
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suchay deshpande
Jun 3, 2008, 2:13:40 AM6/3/08
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How "special" is Mother Teresa's work in Calcutta ?
Under their 'Village Adoption Scheme' the Ramakrishna Mission, at any given time take on twenty villages near Calcutta where an integrated method is implemented to improve all aspects of rural life, with particular emphasis on children's and adult education, provision of basic health and antenatal cares, and the teaching of vocational skills to young people. Family planning is also high on the agenda. Till 1997 9,000 villages were helped under the scheme. Indeed, the rural development programme of Ramakrishna Mission is so extensive that a separate semi independent arm (called Ramakrishna Mission Lokshiksha Parishad) has been entrusted to look after that activity. Many of the village development activities are sophisticated, such as soil testing, and artificial insemination of cows. It is not within the remit of the Missionaries of Charity to improve conditions in Indian villages."
"Mother Teresa's order does not have any facilities for poor pregnant ladies of Calcutta. Although 'Go forth and multiply' was one of the major inspirations of her life, and despite her obsession with the fetus, she did not set up for Calcutta's pregnant women or their (unborn) children any antenatal (prenatal) clinics, any maternity clinics, any obstetric units, any mother and baby units or any child health clinics. Incidentally it runs at least ten mother and baby centres in the United States and one in Rome."
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Comparisons have also been necessary as it has been repeatedly pronounced and implied by Mother Teresa and her friends that she alone looks after the physical and spiritual needs of her eponymous city.
The statistics, comparisons and data in this chapter pertains to the period before Teresa's death. (Sabera Foundation, a post-1997 and significant charity has been included.) The overall picture has not changed since September 1997, and the difference between the work of Missionaries of Charity and that of the other charities has widened. Some qualitative improvements however have been made in the order's practices, such as letting orphans play with toys. During disasters the order has been habitually inactive. Two major disasters have happened in India post-1997 - cyclone in Orissa in October 1999 (8,000 dead) and earthquake in Gujarat in January 2001 (20,000 dead). In the former crisis, Teresa nuns did operate a small soup-kitchen near Paradip but they were nowhere to be seen in Gujarat after one of the worst natural disasters in the history of the world.
The majority of Calcutta's charities are non-religious, and I have specified the notable exceptions that are not.
Calcutta's largest charity is the Ramakrishna Mission. With its headquarters in Calcutta, it is also the largest charity in India. It was founded in 1897 by a very remarkable man, Swami Vivekananda, a product of the high noon of Bengal renaissance. It is a Hindu charity and its monks and 'nuns' take the vow of celibacy.
Vivekananda (1862-1902), the follower of Ramakrishna the religious mystic, is one of the icons of India. An island off the southern tip of India has been dedicated to him, where a monument has been built in his honour.
The son of a prosperous Calcutta lawyer, Vivekananda found the narrowness and hierarchy of Hinduism repugnant, which led him to found his own movement. He freely admitted that he had been impressed by the zeal of the 19th century Christian missionaries in India and borrowed from them many aspects of his movement, such as organisational structuring, communal worship etc. In his version of Hinduism, apathy shown towards the underdog from the karmic viewpoint does not have a place.
Gandhi was a lifelong admirer of Vivekananda and the French philosopher, musicologist, author, pacifist (and Nobel laureate) Romain Rolland said of him:'Vivekananda's words are great music, phrases in the style of Beethoven, stirring rhythms like the march of Handel choruses. I cannot touch these sayings...without receiving a thrill through my body like an electric shock.'
The charitable functions of Mother Teresa's organisation and those of the Ramakrishna Mission in India are difficult to compare (because of the gulf of difference between the two) but I have attempted it here, taking a random year 1993-94:
| Natural Calamity - |
Whether Organisation Provided Aid : | |
| Ramakrishna Mission | Missionaries of Charity | |
| Drought in Bihar | yes | no |
| Drought in Gujarat | yes | no |
| Floods in Assam (Karimganj) | yes | no |
| West Bengal (much of it around Calcutta) Contai | yes | no |
| Jalpaiguri | yes | no |
| Garbeta | yes | no |
| Tamilnadu | yes | no |
| Pondicherry | yes | no |
| Gujarat | yes | no |
| Fires in Andhra Pradesh (near Vishakhapatnam) | yes | no |
| Assam (near Karimganj) | yes | no |
| West Bengal (Malda and Barasat) | yes | no |
| Tornado in West Bengal (Sargachi, near Calcutta) | yes | no |
| Cyclone in Tamilnadu | yes | no |
| Pondicherry | yes | no |
| Earthquake in Latur | yes (a massive operation) | no |
During the same year 1993-94, the Ramakrishna Mission undertook the following house building programmes for the needy:
1. In earthquake devastated Latur, 161 earthquake resistant houses were built and another 320 were in the process of construction.
2. In West Bengal the following houses were built: 55 houses in Purulia district, 100 houses in Jalpaiguri district, 143 houses in Jalpaiguri district, 108 houses in Sagar island, under the 'build your own house' scheme.
3. In Tamilnadu (Kanyakumari district) 71 houses were built The Missionaries of Charity do not have a house building programme for the poor - it is not one of their functions. In the early 1990s, they however did build 48 houses for the poor in a suburb of Calcutta called Hatgachia on disused government land. They did not pay for the land, which caused a prolonged wrangle with the municipality. In the end it relented and let them have the land for free. All very good (although I feel a token contribution to the cash strapped civic body would have been a nice gesture, especially as Mother Teresa's order can afford to run numerous nunneries in Scandinavia) but it turned out that 43 (93%) of the 48 families that moved in to the houses were Catholic - a remarkable coincidence in a city where the Catholic population is less than 1.5%.
The following is a table comparing the ongoing activities of the Ramakrishna Mission and the Missionaries of Charity (in Calcutta only):
| Function : |
Whether Organisation Provided that Function : | |
| Ramakrishna Mission | Missionaries of Charity | |
| Hospice | no | yes (one) |
| Orphanage | yes | yes (two, including one in Howrah) |
| Home for Destitute Mentally Ill | no | yes |
| Home for Convicted Mentally Ill Destitute | no | yes (two) |
| Leprosarium | no | yes (large) |
| Hospital | yes (large modern) | no not free for everybody |
| School of Nursing | yes | no |
| Community Health Service | yes | no |
| Modern charitable dispensary (having xray and investigations facilities) | yes (treats 500000 yearly) | no |
| Basic Charitable Dispensary | yes (treats 100,000 yearly) | yes (treats 10,000 yearly) |
| Specialised School for the Handicapped | yes | no |
| Formal schools | three (not free for everyone) | no |
| Village Adoption Schemes | yes | no |
| Slum Redevelopment Schemes | yes | no |
| Adult Education | yes | no |
| Libraries | yes (ten) | no |
| Higher Educational and Cultural Activities (such as foreign language tuition) | Yes (not free) | no |
| Ecological Projects (Part Funded by the Ford Foundation) | Yes | no |
| Total annual income (from Calcutta and other sources) | c. Rs 750 million | undisclosed |
"Mother Teresa's order does not have any facilities for poor pregnant ladies of Calcutta. Although 'Go forth and multiply' was one of the major inspirations of her life, and despite her obsession with the fetus, she did not set up for Calcutta's pregnant women or their (unborn) children any antenatal (prenatal) clinics, any maternity clinics, any obstetric units, any mother and baby units or any child health clinics. Incidentally it runs at least ten mother and baby centres in the United States and one in Rome."
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Arnab Lahiri
Jun 3, 2008, 2:49:51 AM6/3/08
to Devotees of Holy Trio
Dear Mr. Suchay
Is it too necessary to campare and grade the work of charity?
Is this a business unit that is run by Ramakrishna Mission or
Missionaries of Charity?
Listen everyone
We all are Hindus (In terms of thoughts and theories) and in Hinduism
there is no space or opportunity for
comparisons. We talk less, listen more, we give, expect nothing-this
is our motto. Comparisons are identity of a biased and prejudiced
mind- we must learn
this fact.
This forum, circle is used exclusively for religious discussions, to
quench the thirst of people who wants to learn more, who has got
burning desire of spiritual awakening in their mind and spirit, who
believes that Spirituality is the need of hour.
Comparisions are just like balance sheets that is essence of any
business house but not of spiritual home, not for hamlets where all
are there to learn and share.
Now coming to the Upanisad:
In Paingala Upanisad it is taught how to remain alone; alone in the
sense absorbed in Brahma that is there in all of us. It teaches us to
"Look beyond" (just opposite of comparisions, as comparison sets a
prior limit in ones' mind; and Brahma is infinte and is conceived by
mind of Infinite only).
I request all the devotees dont bind yourself with the chains of
comparisions, as comparision is the product of a biased mind. If
Ramakrishna Mission does charity. that does not means that It wants
to
compete or excel charity works of others. It does so because that is
what is taught by Hinduism -Dana- Donate without selfish desire. Why
to
look what others are doing and what is their achievement.
Remember all are good at their own place.
And if you are talking about nos. then here is my ans.
It matters least if you are serving one or many, what matters is with
what mind (mana) and intellect (buddhi) you are serving with!
In Sikhism (a branch of Hinduism) it is said that "Naki kar dariya me
daal" ( Do good for others and dont remmeber, just forget)- This is
the essence of charity, this is the right way of charity.
And now the ultimate definition of charity that we all must adhere
to:
Charity is not throwing a piece of bread to a Man, but charity is to
SHARE the piece of bread with the MAN; when you are equally hungry as
like that Man.
And guess who said this!!!
Please devotees, I am shamelessly asking you all that "DONT COMPARE",
move ahead if you want to realise that Infinte in you (Brahma), the
world is yours...
Comparision is like limiting ones efficiency, once you compare and
you
have the result that you are far supperior to the other-thats your
end.
I am sorry if I hurt you, but these are words of a fellow devotee to
his own Brother.
Regards,
Arnab Lahiri
Is it too necessary to campare and grade the work of charity?
Is this a business unit that is run by Ramakrishna Mission or
Missionaries of Charity?
Listen everyone
We all are Hindus (In terms of thoughts and theories) and in Hinduism
there is no space or opportunity for
comparisons. We talk less, listen more, we give, expect nothing-this
is our motto. Comparisons are identity of a biased and prejudiced
mind- we must learn
this fact.
This forum, circle is used exclusively for religious discussions, to
quench the thirst of people who wants to learn more, who has got
burning desire of spiritual awakening in their mind and spirit, who
believes that Spirituality is the need of hour.
Comparisions are just like balance sheets that is essence of any
business house but not of spiritual home, not for hamlets where all
are there to learn and share.
Now coming to the Upanisad:
In Paingala Upanisad it is taught how to remain alone; alone in the
sense absorbed in Brahma that is there in all of us. It teaches us to
"Look beyond" (just opposite of comparisions, as comparison sets a
prior limit in ones' mind; and Brahma is infinte and is conceived by
mind of Infinite only).
I request all the devotees dont bind yourself with the chains of
comparisions, as comparision is the product of a biased mind. If
Ramakrishna Mission does charity. that does not means that It wants
to
compete or excel charity works of others. It does so because that is
what is taught by Hinduism -Dana- Donate without selfish desire. Why
to
look what others are doing and what is their achievement.
Remember all are good at their own place.
And if you are talking about nos. then here is my ans.
It matters least if you are serving one or many, what matters is with
what mind (mana) and intellect (buddhi) you are serving with!
In Sikhism (a branch of Hinduism) it is said that "Naki kar dariya me
daal" ( Do good for others and dont remmeber, just forget)- This is
the essence of charity, this is the right way of charity.
And now the ultimate definition of charity that we all must adhere
to:
Charity is not throwing a piece of bread to a Man, but charity is to
SHARE the piece of bread with the MAN; when you are equally hungry as
like that Man.
And guess who said this!!!
Please devotees, I am shamelessly asking you all that "DONT COMPARE",
move ahead if you want to realise that Infinte in you (Brahma), the
world is yours...
Comparision is like limiting ones efficiency, once you compare and
you
have the result that you are far supperior to the other-thats your
end.
I am sorry if I hurt you, but these are words of a fellow devotee to
his own Brother.
Regards,
Arnab Lahiri
suchay deshpande
Jun 3, 2008, 6:17:31 AM6/3/08
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Dear Arnab,
I am very sorry..I apologise to whole group. I nw realized tht each one is great in its own place....but christin missionaries make a lot of show off. I wanted ppl to see the real facts so i compared Ramakrishna mission & mother theresa.Mother theresa is also great in her own place though she deviated a little frm her path by making showoff vth large amounts of donations she get frm different countries.
yours sincerely,
Suchay Deshpande.
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:42:59 -0700
> Subject: [Devotees of Holy Trio:6314] Re: Mother Theresa & Ramakrishna Mission's Works(A Must See One)
> From: arnabl...@gmail.com
> To: holy_t...@googlegroups.com
>
>
> Dear Suchay
> Is it too necessary to campare and grade the work of charities?
I am very sorry..I apologise to whole group. I nw realized tht each one is great in its own place....but christin missionaries make a lot of show off. I wanted ppl to see the real facts so i compared Ramakrishna mission & mother theresa.Mother theresa is also great in her own place though she deviated a little frm her path by making showoff vth large amounts of donations she get frm different countries.
yours sincerely,
Suchay Deshpande.
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:42:59 -0700
> Subject: [Devotees of Holy Trio:6314] Re: Mother Theresa & Ramakrishna Mission's Works(A Must See One)
> From: arnabl...@gmail.com
> To: holy_t...@googlegroups.com
>
>
> Dear Suchay
> Is it too necessary to campare and grade the work of charities?
> Is this a business unit that is run by Ramakrishna Mission or
> Missionaries of Charity?
> Listen everyone
> We all are Hindus and in Hinduism there is no space or oppertunity for
> comparisons. We talk less, listen more, we give, expect nothing-this
> is our motto. Comparisons are identity of a stable mind- we must learn
> this fact.
> This forum. circle is used exclusively for religious discussions, to
> this fact.
> This forum. circle is used exclusively for religious discussions, to
> quench the thirst of people who wants to learn more, who has got
> burning desire of spiritual awakening in their mind and spirit, who
> believes that Spirituality is the need of hour.
> Comparisions are just like balance sheets that is essence of any
> business house but not of spiritual home, not for hamlets where all
> are there to learn and share.
> Now coming to the Upanisad:
>
> In Paingala Upanisad it is taught how to remain alone; alone in the
> sense absorbed in Brahma that is there in all of us. It teaches us to
> "Look beyond" (just opposite of comparisions).
>
> I request all the devotees dont bind yourself with the chains of
> comparisions, as comparision is the product of a biased mind. If
> Ramakrishna Mission does charity. that does not means that It wants to
> compete or excel charity works of others. It does so because that is
> what is taught by Hinduism -Dana Donate without selfish desire. Why to
> look what others are doing and what is their achievement.
> Remember all are good at their own place.
> And if you are talking about nos. then here is my ans.
> It matters least if you are serving one or many, what matters is with
> what mind (mana) and intellect (buddhi) you are serving.
> In Sikhism (a branch of Hinduism) it is said that "Naki kar dariya me
> daal" ( Do good for others and dont remmeber, just forget)- This is
> the essence of charity, this is the right way of charity.
>
> And now the ultimate definition of charity that we all must adhere
> to:
>
> Charity is not throwing a piece of bread to a Man, but charity is to
> SHARE the piece of bread with the MAN; when you are equally hungry as
> like that Man.
> And guess who said this!!!
>
> Please devotees, I am shamelessly asking you all that "DONT COMPARE",
> move ahead the world is yours...
> Comparision is like limiting ones efficiency, once you compare and you
> ahve the result that you are far supperior to the other-thats your
Arnab Lahiri
Jun 3, 2008, 6:28:15 AM6/3/08
to Devotees of Holy Trio
Dear Mr. Suchay
I never intend to hurt you or any brother devotees here in this group
and I know that we all are deeply spiritual and above all we all love
god. And those who love god they sometimes get deviated and then it is
the job of the fellow devotees to guide the one who has lost his way.
This is how we progress and we develop. I wrote all this to you and
devotees only because I want that we should learn to love, share and
respect each other. We should not see how much one is giving or
contributing but we should see "Atleast He is".
We need right now in this country this factor - "Atleast I am or
atleast He is". Because with this only we can create a world, a
beautiful world where there will be people those who are rich not of
their money but of their heart.
Jai Thakur, Jai Ma, Jai Swamijee.
Regards,
Arnab Lahiri
I never intend to hurt you or any brother devotees here in this group
and I know that we all are deeply spiritual and above all we all love
god. And those who love god they sometimes get deviated and then it is
the job of the fellow devotees to guide the one who has lost his way.
This is how we progress and we develop. I wrote all this to you and
devotees only because I want that we should learn to love, share and
respect each other. We should not see how much one is giving or
contributing but we should see "Atleast He is".
We need right now in this country this factor - "Atleast I am or
atleast He is". Because with this only we can create a world, a
beautiful world where there will be people those who are rich not of
their money but of their heart.
Jai Thakur, Jai Ma, Jai Swamijee.
Regards,
Arnab Lahiri
Bharat Churiwala
Jun 3, 2008, 6:52:05 AM6/3/08
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Dear Brother Arnab,
Today I will like to tell you a very interested story which I read long back and might have shared it on this plateform in earlier days. But just for the benefit of DEVOTEES WHO HAVE JOINED RECENTLY THIS IS A WONDERFUL STORY.
The relevance of story starts with convesation between Thakur and Master Mahashay ofcourse taken from Gospel...
God with and without form
MASTER: "Well, do you believe in God with form or without form?"
M., rather surprised, said to himself: "How can one believe in God without form when one believes in God with form? And if one believes in God without form, how can one believe that God has a form? Can these two contradictory ideas be true at the same time? Can a white liquid like milk be black?"
M: "Sir, I like to think of God as formless."
MASTER: "Very good. It is enough to have faith in either aspect. You believe in God without form; that is quite all right. But never for a moment think that this alone is true and all else false. Remember that God with form is just as true as God without form. But hold fast to your own conviction." P80
and one another occassion Thakurji said:
"But do you know where those who speak of the formless God make their mistake? It is where they say that God is formless only, and that those who differ with them are wrong.
"But I know that God is both with and without form. And He may have many more aspects. It is possible for Him to be everything.P.291
Brother Arnab, as you must have read about 3 different school of Vedanta: 1st One is DUALISM 2nd is Qualified Non Dualism or Qualified Monism and 3rd one is ofcourse NON DUALISM or MONISM.
As I understand is that GOD WITH FORM falls under DUALISM and GOD WITHOUT FORM falls under NON DUALISM...
Under first system TATVAM ASI is the FINAL WORD and under second system BRAHMASMI is the FINAL WORD...
I also understand that GOD WITH FORM can also be termed as PERSONAL GOD and GOD WITHOUT FORM is termed as IMPERSONAL GOD. It is in this connection I am sharing that story ( It is a real incident, which I read it in a book called BIOGRAPHY OF SWAMI GNANESWARANANDAJI ( It was he who started CHICAGO CENTER OF RKM way back in 1930) long back...
Swamiji had mentioned: This incident took place when I was in Patna center. Just outside the gates of Ashram there was one girl who was around 6 or 7 years old. Every day after school she used to come to Ashram and I used to play with her everyday. This routine was going on for quite some.
Once I was invited to give a lecture on PERSONAL GOD and IMPERSONAL GOD. I started preparing for the lecture and started taking down notes from different books. When evening fell the girl came running and wanted to play with me. I requested her that since I am busy today, I will not be able to play with you today. She was very dissapointed and went away quitely.
Next day also, my lecture was not complete, and when that little girl came on usual time I had to send her back on that day also. Today she was disappointed more but still went away without uttering a single word.
On last day of lecture also,I was busy preparing for lecture on PERSONAL GOD and IMPERSONAL GOD ( because I was not able to find out the exact way so that audience will be able to grasp the actual difference between PERSONAL GOD and IMPERSONAL GOD or what is the need of TWO GODS!!!!
When that little girl came in the evening, I told her that Please go away because I have to finish some important work ( of finalising POINTS FOR MY LECTURE ).
Suddenly that little girl, got very annoyed and replied very with sadness: YOU ARE NOT AT ALL GOOD! YOU DONT HAVE TIME FOR ME! BETTER THAN YOU IS MY DOLL, WITH WHOM I CAN PLAY WHENEVER I WANT! Saying this she turned to go away with extreme disappointment carrying in her arms HER DOLL.
These words of hers gave me a JOLT as if to tell me the MAIN POINT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PERSONAL GOD or GOD WITH FORM and IMPERSONAL GOD i.e. GOD WITHOUT FORM!!!!!
I immediately went and picked up the little girl in my arms and THANKED HER TO MAKE ME UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE TOPIC OF MY LECTURE........
What I understand is this that WE ALL WANT OUR PERSONAL GOD just like that LITTLE GIRL...
Now the relavancy of this mail and story is that Res. Suchayji was trying to mention some facts about HIS PERSONAL GOD and Brother Arnab was trying to tell him about IMPERSONAL GOD by these words:
Today I will like to tell you a very interested story which I read long back and might have shared it on this plateform in earlier days. But just for the benefit of DEVOTEES WHO HAVE JOINED RECENTLY THIS IS A WONDERFUL STORY.
The relevance of story starts with convesation between Thakur and Master Mahashay ofcourse taken from Gospel...
God with and without form
MASTER: "Well, do you believe in God with form or without form?"
M., rather surprised, said to himself: "How can one believe in God without form when one believes in God with form? And if one believes in God without form, how can one believe that God has a form? Can these two contradictory ideas be true at the same time? Can a white liquid like milk be black?"
M: "Sir, I like to think of God as formless."
MASTER: "Very good. It is enough to have faith in either aspect. You believe in God without form; that is quite all right. But never for a moment think that this alone is true and all else false. Remember that God with form is just as true as God without form. But hold fast to your own conviction." P80
and one another occassion Thakurji said:
"But do you know where those who speak of the formless God make their mistake? It is where they say that God is formless only, and that those who differ with them are wrong.
"But I know that God is both with and without form. And He may have many more aspects. It is possible for Him to be everything.P.291
Brother Arnab, as you must have read about 3 different school of Vedanta: 1st One is DUALISM 2nd is Qualified Non Dualism or Qualified Monism and 3rd one is ofcourse NON DUALISM or MONISM.
As I understand is that GOD WITH FORM falls under DUALISM and GOD WITHOUT FORM falls under NON DUALISM...
Under first system TATVAM ASI is the FINAL WORD and under second system BRAHMASMI is the FINAL WORD...
I also understand that GOD WITH FORM can also be termed as PERSONAL GOD and GOD WITHOUT FORM is termed as IMPERSONAL GOD. It is in this connection I am sharing that story ( It is a real incident, which I read it in a book called BIOGRAPHY OF SWAMI GNANESWARANANDAJI ( It was he who started CHICAGO CENTER OF RKM way back in 1930) long back...
Swamiji had mentioned: This incident took place when I was in Patna center. Just outside the gates of Ashram there was one girl who was around 6 or 7 years old. Every day after school she used to come to Ashram and I used to play with her everyday. This routine was going on for quite some.
Once I was invited to give a lecture on PERSONAL GOD and IMPERSONAL GOD. I started preparing for the lecture and started taking down notes from different books. When evening fell the girl came running and wanted to play with me. I requested her that since I am busy today, I will not be able to play with you today. She was very dissapointed and went away quitely.
Next day also, my lecture was not complete, and when that little girl came on usual time I had to send her back on that day also. Today she was disappointed more but still went away without uttering a single word.
On last day of lecture also,I was busy preparing for lecture on PERSONAL GOD and IMPERSONAL GOD ( because I was not able to find out the exact way so that audience will be able to grasp the actual difference between PERSONAL GOD and IMPERSONAL GOD or what is the need of TWO GODS!!!!
When that little girl came in the evening, I told her that Please go away because I have to finish some important work ( of finalising POINTS FOR MY LECTURE ).
Suddenly that little girl, got very annoyed and replied very with sadness: YOU ARE NOT AT ALL GOOD! YOU DONT HAVE TIME FOR ME! BETTER THAN YOU IS MY DOLL, WITH WHOM I CAN PLAY WHENEVER I WANT! Saying this she turned to go away with extreme disappointment carrying in her arms HER DOLL.
These words of hers gave me a JOLT as if to tell me the MAIN POINT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PERSONAL GOD or GOD WITH FORM and IMPERSONAL GOD i.e. GOD WITHOUT FORM!!!!!
I immediately went and picked up the little girl in my arms and THANKED HER TO MAKE ME UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE TOPIC OF MY LECTURE........
What I understand is this that WE ALL WANT OUR PERSONAL GOD just like that LITTLE GIRL...
Now the relavancy of this mail and story is that Res. Suchayji was trying to mention some facts about HIS PERSONAL GOD and Brother Arnab was trying to tell him about IMPERSONAL GOD by these words:
Please devotees, I am shamelessly asking you all that "DONT COMPARE", move ahead the world is yours...
Brother Arnab, as I understand that what you are referring here is COMPARING "MISSION OF CHARITIES" with "RAMAKRISHNA MISSION" is not good, and I completely agree with you from NON DUALISM PLANE...But if Brother Suchayji or anyone else is trying to place some important facts, then it should be listened to and acknowledged.
Res. Brother Arnab, here I will like to repeat that this is what THAKUR meant when he said: "But do you know where those who speak of the formless God make their mistake? It is where they say that God is formless only, and that those who differ with them are wrong."
Please Brother Arnab, Do not misunderstand me on this. But the fact is that I MYSELF ALWAYS CARRIED THIS FEELING THAT "MOTHER TERESSA" AND HER "CHARITIES" DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONABLE AGENDA and DEFINITELY A VESTED MOTIVE OF SPREADING CHRISTIANITY...
I was surprised to read the last para of Suchayji's mail : "Mother Teresa's order does not have any facilities for poor pregnant ladies of Calcutta. Although 'Go forth and multiply' was one of the major inspirations of her life, and despite her obsession with the fetus, she did not set up for Calcutta's pregnant women or their (unborn) children any antenatal (prenatal) clinics, any maternity clinics, any obstetric units, any mother and baby units or any child health clinics. Incidentally it runs at least ten mother and baby centres in the United States and one in Rome."
Finally once again Brother Arnab, please forgive me if I have mentioned something which I should not have and appreciate Suchayjis mail which atleast have placed some hard hitting facts if not about any other organisation but about our own RAMAKRISHNA MISSION AND ITS ACTIVITIES....
These views has nothing to do with my being the moderator, THESE ARE DEFINITELY MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS...
Bharat
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Res. Brother Arnab, here I will like to repeat that this is what THAKUR meant when he said: "But do you know where those who speak of the formless God make their mistake? It is where they say that God is formless only, and that those who differ with them are wrong."
Please Brother Arnab, Do not misunderstand me on this. But the fact is that I MYSELF ALWAYS CARRIED THIS FEELING THAT "MOTHER TERESSA" AND HER "CHARITIES" DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONABLE AGENDA and DEFINITELY A VESTED MOTIVE OF SPREADING CHRISTIANITY...
I was surprised to read the last para of Suchayji's mail : "Mother Teresa's order does not have any facilities for poor pregnant ladies of Calcutta. Although 'Go forth and multiply' was one of the major inspirations of her life, and despite her obsession with the fetus, she did not set up for Calcutta's pregnant women or their (unborn) children any antenatal (prenatal) clinics, any maternity clinics, any obstetric units, any mother and baby units or any child health clinics. Incidentally it runs at least ten mother and baby centres in the United States and one in Rome."
Finally once again Brother Arnab, please forgive me if I have mentioned something which I should not have and appreciate Suchayjis mail which atleast have placed some hard hitting facts if not about any other organisation but about our own RAMAKRISHNA MISSION AND ITS ACTIVITIES....
These views has nothing to do with my being the moderator, THESE ARE DEFINITELY MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS...
Bharat
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Arnab Lahiri
Jun 3, 2008, 7:40:01 AM6/3/08
to Devotees of Holy Trio
Dear Devotees and Bharatjee
First of all let me share this to all of you that i am not pained with
any personal views and infact i enjoy reading others' view. This
infact goad me to write more and more and offcourse penetrate deep
into psyche of different people and answer to some most crucial
questions - what makes them think like that, or the other way why i am
not thinking like them.
So be assure you can always directly say to me if you feel anything i
am wrond with or with any concept that i lack with. Let me give a
short profile of mine. i am a mere student of 24 years age. i am yet a
learner. In terms of experience i am a naive, an ingenue, a fledgling
who is yet to learn a lot. i am like a child of you all devotees (as i
feel most of the devotees are senior to me interms of age as well as
experiece).
So teach me if i am wrong, guide me when i am lost, argue me if i am
stubborn with my views, scold me if i am guilty of anything, make sure
i will not mind.
Please treat me accordingly and never snatch this right of mine that
is what i deserve- guidance, love, scoldings, arguments and
counterarguments and above all this knowledge.
Bharatjee i am thankful to you that to make me understand you shared
such a nice story and explaination from gospel, else i would and other
devotees would have remained ignorant about the same.
And regarding the previous email of Suchay jee i would like to clarify
that my argument was simple to put COMPARISIONS apart from
spirituality, nothing more than that.
Reason for this was simple: comparision is like a lid on one's mind
that hinders the progress of furthur knowledge. It hinders growth, as
comparative mind soon converts to calculative mind and that is the
end.
Regarding Mother Teressa, i will not say a word except this that she
was a lady who was not Indian but she cared for the Indian, she failed
to care for the Mothers , but she cared for those whom we call
untouchables the 4 L (Last, Least, Left and the Lost), dying people
(aged ones), Infants (New born) and many more. Just visit Niramal
Hriday and you will see what they are doing, visit the orpahnage home
that is in sealdah and you can feel what they are doing.
i do agree that they left one chapter of delivery home but again one
can not look all sides with two eyes at a time.
One mistake is also there- they dont run any child health clinics-
this i am sure that they have at their orphanage centre.
i will finish my email with this para and a recommendation that i have
done previously also to this group.
Please read "The City of Joy" BY Dominique Lappiere.....
By blood, I am Albanian. By citizenship, an Indian. By faith, I am a
Catholic nun. As to my calling, I belong to the world. As to my heart,
I belong entirely to the Heart of Jesus. " Small of stature, rocklike
in faith, Mother Teresa of Calcutta was entrusted with the mission of
proclaiming God's thirsting love for humanity, especially for the
poorest of the poor. "God still loves the world and He sends you and
me to be His love and His compassion to the poor." She was a soul
filled with the light of Christ, on fire with love for Him and burning
with one desire: "to quench His thirst for love and for souls."
If abortion is not wrong, nothing is wrong.
I see God in every human being. When I wash the leper's wounds, I feel
I am nursing the Lord himself. Is it not a beautiful experience?
It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live
as you wish.
First of all let me share this to all of you that i am not pained with
any personal views and infact i enjoy reading others' view. This
infact goad me to write more and more and offcourse penetrate deep
into psyche of different people and answer to some most crucial
questions - what makes them think like that, or the other way why i am
not thinking like them.
So be assure you can always directly say to me if you feel anything i
am wrond with or with any concept that i lack with. Let me give a
short profile of mine. i am a mere student of 24 years age. i am yet a
learner. In terms of experience i am a naive, an ingenue, a fledgling
who is yet to learn a lot. i am like a child of you all devotees (as i
feel most of the devotees are senior to me interms of age as well as
experiece).
So teach me if i am wrong, guide me when i am lost, argue me if i am
stubborn with my views, scold me if i am guilty of anything, make sure
i will not mind.
Please treat me accordingly and never snatch this right of mine that
is what i deserve- guidance, love, scoldings, arguments and
counterarguments and above all this knowledge.
Bharatjee i am thankful to you that to make me understand you shared
such a nice story and explaination from gospel, else i would and other
devotees would have remained ignorant about the same.
And regarding the previous email of Suchay jee i would like to clarify
that my argument was simple to put COMPARISIONS apart from
spirituality, nothing more than that.
Reason for this was simple: comparision is like a lid on one's mind
that hinders the progress of furthur knowledge. It hinders growth, as
comparative mind soon converts to calculative mind and that is the
end.
Regarding Mother Teressa, i will not say a word except this that she
was a lady who was not Indian but she cared for the Indian, she failed
to care for the Mothers , but she cared for those whom we call
untouchables the 4 L (Last, Least, Left and the Lost), dying people
(aged ones), Infants (New born) and many more. Just visit Niramal
Hriday and you will see what they are doing, visit the orpahnage home
that is in sealdah and you can feel what they are doing.
i do agree that they left one chapter of delivery home but again one
can not look all sides with two eyes at a time.
One mistake is also there- they dont run any child health clinics-
this i am sure that they have at their orphanage centre.
i will finish my email with this para and a recommendation that i have
done previously also to this group.
Please read "The City of Joy" BY Dominique Lappiere.....
By blood, I am Albanian. By citizenship, an Indian. By faith, I am a
Catholic nun. As to my calling, I belong to the world. As to my heart,
I belong entirely to the Heart of Jesus. " Small of stature, rocklike
in faith, Mother Teresa of Calcutta was entrusted with the mission of
proclaiming God's thirsting love for humanity, especially for the
poorest of the poor. "God still loves the world and He sends you and
me to be His love and His compassion to the poor." She was a soul
filled with the light of Christ, on fire with love for Him and burning
with one desire: "to quench His thirst for love and for souls."
If abortion is not wrong, nothing is wrong.
I see God in every human being. When I wash the leper's wounds, I feel
I am nursing the Lord himself. Is it not a beautiful experience?
It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live
as you wish.
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