Ramakrishna Paramhansa Interest in food

[Aravinda B]

Jai Ramakrishna

Any comments on this topic????????


From: satrajit gupta <satraj...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Sri Ramakrishna] Ramakrishna Paramhansa Interest in food
To: Ramak...@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 11:20 AM

Ramakrishna Paramhansa Interest in food-->As interpreted by Osho It is said about Ramkrishna that he was much too interested in food; in fact obsessed. That is very unlikely. Even his wife, Sharada Devi, used to feel very embarrassed; because he was such a great saint, only with one flaw – and the flaw was that he was much too interested in food. He was interested so much that while he was giving satsang to his disciples, just in the middle he will say, "Wait, I am coming," and he will go to look into the kitchen, what is being cooked. He will just go there and ask, "What is being prepared today?" and then will come back and start his satsang again. His closest disciples became worried. They said, "This doesn't look good, Paramhansa. And everything is so perfectly beautiful – never has there walked such a beautiful and perfect man – but this small thing, why can't you drop it?" He will laugh and will not say anything. One day his wife Sharada Devi insisted too much. He said, "Okay, if you insist, I will tell you. My prarabdha is finished; and I am just clinging with this food. If I drop that I am gone." The wife could not believe this. It is very difficult for wives to believe in their own husbands – even if the husband is a Paramhansa it makes no difference. The wife must have thought that he is befooling, or he is trying to rationalize. Seeing that, Ramkrishna said, "Look, I can see that you are not trusting me, but you will know. The day I am going to die, just three days before that day, three days before my death, I will not look at the food. You will bring my thali in, and I will start looking in another direction; then you can know that only three days more am I to be here." That too was not believed; they forgot about it. Then, just three days before Ramkrishna died, he was resting, Sharada brought his thali, his food: he turned over, started looking at the other side. Suddenly the wife realized, remembered. The thali fell from her hands, she started crying. Ramkrishna said, "Don't cry now. Now my work is finished; I need not cling." And exactly after three days he died. He was clinging in compassion, just trying to create a bondage with one chain. The imprisonment is gone; the prison has disappeared. Out of compassion he was trying to cling, to linger a little longer on this shore, to help those who had gathered around him. But it is difficult to understand a Paramhansa. It is difficult to understand a man who has become a siddha, a Buddha, one who has emptied all his sanchita, all accumulated karmas. It is very difficult. He has no gravitation, so Ramkrishna was clinging to a rock. The rock has gravitation. . He was clinging to a rock so that he could linger on this earth a little longer. When you have samyama, a consciousness fully alert, you can see how much karma is left. It is exactly like when a physician comes and he sees and touches the pulse of a dying man, and he says, "Not more than two, three hours." What is he saying? By long experience he has come to know how the pulse beats when a person is going to die. Exactly that way, a man who is alert knows how much prarabdha is left – how much pulse – and he knows when he has to go.

[Arnab Lahiri]

Dear Mr. Aravinda

Namaskar

Thanks for posting this episode. In fact I was not at all aware of this fact of Thakur's life... Please share with us if you ever come across such nice incidents of Thakur, Ma and Swamijee's life...

Thanks and Regards,

Arnab Lahiri

[Bharat Churiwala]

Respected Arvindaji,
 
Saadar Pranaam.
 
I am extremely sorry to state that this article posted by you from one another group HAS PAINED ME PERSONALLY A LOT....
 
I have been always categorical in saying this that ANYTHING WE POST IN THIS GROUP SHOULD BE FAR FAR AWAY FROM CONTROVERSIES AND DEFINITELY TAKEN FROM "AUTHENTICATED" OR TAKEN FROM "AUTHENTICATED SOURCE".
 
AND THIS APPLIES SPECIALLY TO "THE HOLY TRIO" AND WHOLE RAMAKRISHNA SARADA VIVEKANANDA MOVEMENT (VICHAARDHARA)....
 
Since you have asked for "COMMENTS", this is what I have to state...
 
In my earlier life I too was very much fascinated and awed by "Rajneesh ( Do you know that "he" called himself "BHAGWAN RAJNEESH"? He called Lord Buddha and Bhagwan Mahavir as ordinary HUMAN BEINGS and himself as INCARNATION????) and I have read and listened to him quite extensively. He actually mastered art of HYPNOTISATION and AMASSED "WEALTH" in UNBELIEVABLE PROPORTIONS. (DID YOU KNOW THAT HE OWNED MORE THAN 300 ROLLS ROYCES!!!!) When he was ceremoniously THROWN OUT OF USA by American Government, He changed his name from RAJNEESH to OSHO.
 
Anyhow, purpose of this mail is NOT TO COUNT "QUALITIES" OF THIS SO CALLED "BHAGAWAN RAJNEESH" or "OSHO", but ONLY TO CLARIFY THAT "ALL THE "STORIES" MENTIONED in this article are FAR FAR AWAY FROM TRUTH".
 
Author of this article definitely has one agenda and that is to spread MISINFORMATION about THAKURJI ( THAKURJI NEVER CALLED HIMSELF BHAGAWAN!!!!! In fact He very clearly INSTRUCTED HIS DISCIPLES TO DESIST FROM CALLING HIM AS "FATHER" or even "GURU" in public) He always behaved MORE AS A "FRIEND" or maximum as "SPIRITUAL GUIDE" to HIS MONASTIC AS WELL AS HOUSEHOLDER AND LAY DISCIPLES ).
 
Please read the conversation of Girishchandra Ghosh and THAKURJI (specially where, THAKURJI 100% ABSOLVES Girish Ghosh of all his SINS and TAKES "FULL RESPONSIBILITY" of his BELOVED DISCIPLE!!!!). 

Here are 2 very specific incidents what Thakurji said about GOD or GURU......
 

"Do you know my attitude? As for myself, I eat, drink, and live happily. The rest the Divine Mother knows. Indeed, there are three words that prick my flesh: 'guru', 'master', and 'father'. "There is only one Guru, and that is Satchidananda. He alone is the Teacher. My attitude toward God is that of a child toward its mother. One can get human gurus by the million. All want to be teachers. But who cares to be a disciple?  p.141 The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna

 

'I don't want to become sugar; I want to eat it.' I never feel like saying, 'I am Brahman.' I say, 'Thou art my Lord and I am Thy servant.' ……. It is very good to look on God as the Master and oneself as His servant. Further, you see, people speak of the waves as belonging to the Ganges; but no one says that the Ganges belongs to the waves. The feeling, 'I am He', is not wholesome. p.172 The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna 

 

Now coming to main topic of "Ramakrishna Paramhansa Interest in food", According to me the whole article is full of MYTHS and TEXT TORTURING (of course some of the I want to make few things very clear. I will request all Devotee Members to avoid going into any further debate or controversies on this subject and statements like... It is said about Ramkrishna that he was much too interested in food; in fact obsessed. or His closest disciples became worried. They said, "This doesn't look good, Paramhansa. And everything is so perfectly beautiful – never has there walked such a beautiful and perfect man – but this small thing, why can't you drop it?" 

 

Respected Arvindaji, I sincerely feel that OUR "HOLY TRIO" ARE BEYOND ANY COMMENTERIES OF CLARIFICATIONS BY LIKES OF "OSHO"... I hope you will agree.

 

Still if you feel that I have written something which I should not have written I am asking an apology in advance. Please do write to me individually and let me know your views in this matter.

 

Bharat Churiwala  

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[sabuj biswas]

Respected all,

I really donot understand what to comment on this topic? What has Osho tried to do over here? Has he tried to extolmentise or criticise Master? well, the prostration is really smoky...as most of Osho's teachings are...

I am a resident of koregaon park in pune, where Osho's headquarters are..and i being, a resident actually know what goes on there.....if i write them over here...i may be sued or crticised for telling something which is not proved.....so maintaining my diplomacy, and insisting on mother's words that we should never see other's faults, i am keeping quiet...but i would just state one thing...IT IS ALMOST VERY FUNNY FOR SOMEONE TO COMMENT ANYONE...WHETHER GOOD OR BAD...WHO IS A PARAMAHAMSA...LEAVE ABOUT BEING AVATARA.....WHEN THE PERSON WHO IS CRITICISING, IS SO MUCH INTO LUST AND GOLD...THAT HE TELLS HIS FOLLOWERS TO DO SO...

Holy Mother doubted Thakur? It was extremely funny!! Lakshmi doubting Narayana!! as if she dint know what was planned.....

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Jay Mahamai ki Jay!!
Jay Bhagavan Sri Ramakrishnadev ki Jay!!
Jay Swamiji Maharajji ki Jay!!

[Sandeep Das]

Two of the seven sayings of Jesus Christ on the cross:

 

 

"Father forgive them, for they know not what they do"

 

"Father, into your hands I commit my spirit"

 

 

 

And those two are our prayers to Our Lord.

[Prabesh Lohani]

Dear Devotees of the Holy Trio,

Why do we feel troubled when people talk non-sense? Let the dogs bark. Eventually, they will come to know the truth. Be only attached to the feet of the Guru and follow his words. That is enough to liberate us from all kinds of bondage. None of us know who Osho is. HE alone is real and all else is unreal. What can anyone say about Sri Ramakrishna, the sakshyaat avatar? He is beyond comprehension.

Om Namo Bhagawate Ramakrishnaya Om

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[arvind]

Hi all,

Did any one see the Master's(Sri Ramakrishna) interest to food as
he is acting like attached to food.
For us it look like attachment, but he is able to take it away at
any time i.e. detachment.

How many of us can do this ?????

We are attached to so many thing in this earth.
are we able to draw back our mind as Master did it??????

Most of us act in front the society that we don't have any
attachments but we are not.

The master looks like attached to food but he is not.

How many of us detach our mind from the object with in a second???
are we??????
are we doing any thing in this regard???

Regards
Aravinda

[parameswaran ramaswamy]

Respected Devotees, Nameshkar, This is the problem we face when we see the Master from our stand point of view of identifying ourselves with body, mind and intellect.  We create a wrong impression that sanyasi or saint or a realized soul means that they are all worldly renounced people and start comparing that they are also eating, drinking and breathing and breathing out just like us.  We don't understand that as long as their  prarabhddha karma continues till they leave the body,  they live in the body but they are very clear that they are not of  the body, mind and intellect.  Hence they need to take food just to  make the body survive.  But their focus is not on the body, mind and intellect but their identification is always on the Self within.  As I had written in one my  earlier,article  they can be compared with a person who is driving a car in gear and at particular point when he shifts the gear lever to neutral, the continues its  movement due to its past momentum . But for the passerby who is in the platform , it will appear as if he is driving.  Our seeing of any Master will be like that.  Buddha before realizing went to so many places and met many sadhus to know the Truth of life.  They all told him that he should renounce the world, this body etc., Then only you can realize God. For that they advocated so many Tapas, Asuterities to practice.  Taking their advice sincerely, he started practicing Tapas by reducing the intake of food.  At particular point he noticed the projection of bone and became thin.  Then he realized ,'what I am doing? 'This is one of the important instrument through which  only I can realize God.  That itself I am destroying.  Without this how  can I realize God?'  Finally he declared the Middle path. He said,'God cannot be realized by the practice the two extremes which is by way of total indulgence or by way of total withdrawal."  Hence he declared the Middle path by intelligent way of mental detachment. Thanks with regards, R. Parameswaran. --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Prabesh Lohani <prabes...@gmail.com> wrote: