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----- Original Message -----

It's actually KIKES who are the world's GREATEST holocaust deniers.
 
It was THREE KIKE ORGANIZATIONS, not just a bunch of loosely organized [though I use that term loosely] kikes who DENY the holocaust--it's kike *organizations* who've been in existence since most of us were born, who claim that there were precisely 584,549 MORE kikes AFTER WWII than before.
 
THIS IS CRIMINAL HOLOCAUST DENIAL:
 
 
And of COURSE there were damages--TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF DAMAGES, particularly to the three quarters of Americans of German ancestry.
 
By all means let's SUE them for these damages!:
 
 
John Knight

 
On 4/1/07, x-915552 <randulf.jo...@c2i.net> wrote:


Mr Moseley

I just came home after a cross country ski-tour with a very good friend - one of Norway's best trail lawyers.

He welcomes your lawsuit against me in Norway. He does however wants me to tell you to at least bring with you a BANK guarantee of US$ 100 million to cover my demand for reparation and the cost of my lawyer and the court costs. Since you are not living within a country reachable by the Norwegian juridical system my Lawyer will ask the judge for a guarantee that you can and will pay when you lose.

Since you are suing on behalf of yourself and others I trust money is NO problem.

To sum up this suing: You are welcome to sue. Please tell me when so I can start preparing documents. And Mr Moseley, since you are a VERY miserable lawyer, you should find yourself a Norwegian to help you understand Norwegian legal system

RjH

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: SUING holocaust deniers

 
 
 
SORRY, THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.
 
It appears that Hansen is saying that Hansen believes he can say whatever he wants and is free from any consequences.   Since holocaust deniers apparently believe  they are FREE TO LIE, I will take the trouble to show differently.
 
Now it appears that holocaust deniers lie because they think they can get away with it.
 
Here is how it works.
 
FIRST,   REMEMBER I AM NOT INTERESTED IN SMALL FISH LIKE ANYONE ON THIS DISCUSSION.   No offense.  I am not a leader of anything either.   So I am no more important.  But it is not worth such trouble unless one is suing a leader of the holocaust denial lies.
 
ALSO, IT WOULD ONLY BE INTERESTING to sue for  lies like about the Nuremberg Trial  or the USS Liberty.   This would require finding a child or grandchild of someone who worked in the Nuremberg trials or a pilot from the 1967 war. 

I could not sue for lies about the Nuremberg prosecutors or USS Liberty without finding a child or grandchild.  But they could sue.  (For example, the anti-semite liars say that the U.S. helped cover up for the Israelis.  That is an accusation of a crime of the U.S. military leaders.  Any of those U.S. children or grandchildren could file a lawsuit.)
 
 
THE START OF THIS CONVERSATION is whether or not one of the prosecutors or judges from the Nuremberg Trials -- or their heirs  (children) -- could sue someone IMPORTANT enough to stop ins preading lies.    Could  the son of the Nuremberg prosecutor(s)  sue  someone who is a LEADER  in the holocaust denial scam?   The answer is YES.
 
AND ALSO REMEMBER that the start of this conversation was whether it is necessary to have criminal laws against the holocaust denial scam, or whether holocaust denial liars could be SUED in civil (NOT criminal)  lawsuits?
 
I said that one of the reasons for the criminal laws against denying hte holocaust was because dead people cannot file a lawsuit.  THEN I SAID IN ANSWER TO EVE, WELL, MAYBE THERE IS A WAY TO SUE THE HOLOCAUST DENIAL LIARS.
 
So for the sake of discussing how a  LEADER in the  holocaust denial scam could be sued, we will talk about suing Randulf Hansen AS AN EXAMPLE  (because Randulf has talked about it in terms of him).   But in reality it would be very expensive and a lot of work.  So we are really talking about suing a  LEADER  in the holocaust denial liar's club who is worth the trouble of stopping them in their lies.
 
HERE IS HOW IT WOULD WORK, SO THAT HOLOCAUST DENIERS WILL KNOW THEY CANNOT LIE FREELY:
 
1)     After I get a real client to represent, I walk in to the Clerk of the Court of the Circuit Court and hand them a copy of the lawsuit, and pay the filing fee of around $100 (depending on how much the dollar amount is asked fr in the lawsuit).
 
2)   To "serve" the lawsuit, I fill out a 2nd form for the Secretary of the State or Secretary of the Commonwealth, which shows that the defendant does not live in the State in the United States, but has caused an injury inside the state.   I pay a fee of approximately $28 to the Secretary.  
 
               For example, Randulf Hansen  LIES  about the U.S. prosecutor in the Nuremberg trial and FALSELY says that the U.S. prosecutor TORTURED witnesses (or used testimony from a tortured witness, because the prosecutor would need to inerview the witnesses and ask them their story).   Randulf Hansen publicly announces these LIES   -- KNOWING  that they will be heard in the United States.   So Randulf Hansen (IN OUR EXAMPLE)   has CHOSEN  to cause an injury inside the United States. 
 
3)     Because the Defendant has CHOSEN  to cause an injury inside the United States, by telling lies that HE KNOWS will be heard inside the United States,  the court has "jurisdiction" over the defendant.   This is called the "long arm statute" for personal jurisdiction.   Because the Defendant   KNOWINGLY   caused injury inside the USA,  the courts in the USA  have "jurisdiction" to hear the lawsuit.
 
4)     "Service" of the lawsuit (to start the lawsuit) is completed by serving the lawsuit upon the Secretary of State (of the STATE government, NOT the Federal US government).   The Secretary then MAILS  the copy to the Defendant.   NOTE:   Realistically, it is necessary to know an address for the Defendant.    That is another reason why it is NOT WORTH the work and trouble
 
5)        If the Defendant does not file an "answer" within 21 days after receiving the lawsuit , "judgment" can be entered AUTOMATICALLY against the Defendant  BY DEFAULT. 
 
6)      If the Defendant answers (which can be done by hiring an attorney), then the case is set for trial.
 
7)      IN OUR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE THE LIE  was of TORTURE -- this is an accusation that the Nuremberg prosecutors and judges COMMITTED A CRIME and the worst sort of crime.
 
        Defamation of a CRIME is a special type of defamation lawsuit.
 
        Therefore, this is a type of defamation that does NOT require proof of the dollar amount of injury.  Accusing someone of a CRIME is AUTOMATICALLY defamation (slander).
 
8)      I do not want to write 10 pages to explain this, but for many reasons, it would be VERY easy to prove that the accusations are NOT true.   For one thing, under U.S. law, a court is ASSUMED to act regularly.  Because the Nuremberg court issued a judgment of death a US court will be  OBLIGATED under US law to  ASSUME  that the court acted properly.   Also, I call any witness to show that the accusations are absurd, including by bringing a witness that (a) torture were against the law for the U.S. military at the time, (b) no reliable accusation or evidence exists of torture.  I could call the Defendant as a witness to show that he got this idea from trash websites on the Internet or other places that are not reliable and has no reliable evidence.   I would also have a witness who is an expert historian testify to the number of journalists who covered the trial and could hae seen any torture,  THE FACT THAT THE WITNESSES TESTIFIED LIVE AND NO WRITTEN STATEMENTS WERE USED WITHOUT LIVE TESTIMONEY, and the witnesses were free to speak whatever they wishes while in the court room.
 
9)    This establishes a  "prima facie" case that Randulf Hansen has  LIED  about the Nuremberg trials.  It is necessary for the Plaintif to show a minimum amount that the lies by Hansen are  NOT TRUE.  
 
        The lawsuit will fail unless there is some MINIMUM  evidence that Hansen's statements are FALSE.   However, this is actually very easy, because the Nuremberg court actually found many people guilty of death, and in MANY DIFFERENT TRIALS, and this is evidence that the court proceedings were regular.
 
        This would be expensive and lots of work, because it would probably require an EXPERT WITNESS who is a historian, who would have to study the Nuremberg court records.
 
 
10)      Then the Defendant has the chance to show the Defendant's case.  
 
           THEN THE DEFENDANT CAN TRY TO SHOW THAT THE STATEMENTS WERE TRUE.   Hansen would have to PROVE  that the prosecutors at the Nuremberg trial  DID ACTUALLY TORTURE WITNESSES.   SInce this did not happen, Hansen could not prove this.
 
11)     REMEMER:   ALL OF THIS IS HAPPENING IN THE UNITED STATES.   (Although it could happen in any country, really.)
 
12)     I win the lawsuit.  (Yes,  yes, I understand that Hansen in his foolishness will think differently.   But Hansen said that I COULD NOT sue him in the USA -- and I am showing him how someone  COULD  sue  the anti-semites in the United States.  So let me show you how it WORKS.  Let's assume for a moment that I win the lawsuit.   Of course, it would be very easy to with the lawsuit.)
  
13)    The court issues an official COURT JUDGMENT  (court order).
 
14)     THEN,  I take the court judgment (order)  from the US court to Norway and demand that the courts in Norway  HONOR (execute) the court order from the United States.
 
15)     Because of international treaties, Norway's courts  MUST  HONOR   the court order from the United States.   The reason for this is that Norway's courts want US courts to honor Norway's court orders.   THERE IS MORE MONEY IN THE USA, so Norway  NEEDS  the courts in the USA to honor Norwegian court orders.   IT IS MPORTANT  because of the money in the USA  for Norway's court orders to be honored in the USA.  
 
16)     The court order is honored automatically in Norway and I take Randulf Hansen's money.
 
Jon Moseley


 
-----Original Message-----
From: x-915552
Sent: Mar 31, 2007 7:30 PM
 


Mr Moseley

The court rooms in Norway are not as corrupt as those in JSA.

To get any effect from a lawsuit on me you have to come to Norway!! And I and a lot of revisionists are looking forward to that. When are you coming???

And please tell me what so-call survivors are you bringing with you???

Remember you have to produce all documents you will call upon in court before, at least 21 days, you some to court. If the number of documents are LARGE I will ask for a long time to familiarize myself with them and you are paying for that.  Every document presented in a Norwegian court MUST be translated to Norwegian by a certified translator. That will not be cheap for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When will you start????? I need to make arrangements for rooms for all the revisionists that will help me and be in court during the trail. This will be a SWELL time. You will get your day in COURT, I don't think you will appreciate that day Mr Moseley!!

RjH

----- Original Message -----
 

 

NO, I ONLY HAVE TO PROVE THAT YOU MADE A STATEMENT ACCUSING PEOPLE OF A CRIME.

YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT THE STATEMENT IS FACTUALLY TRUE.

IF YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT WITNESSSES IN THE NUREMBERG TRIAL WERE TORTURED, THEN YOUR STATEMENTS ARE  *RECKLESS*  OR KNOWINGLY FALSE.

However, I think the survivors would be delighted to stand up in court and ram the holocaust down your disgusting throat.  They would crawl on their hands and knees to prove you lying scum false.

Jon Moseley




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Subject: Re: SUING holocaust deniers



Are you now going to make anybody afraid you will sue them????

Come to Norway and sue me.

Here you MUST prove what you are saying. PROVE with actual documents. Do you have a forensic examination report to present????

Do you think any of your socalled survivors will stand up in court and answer questions about what they wrote, said in contrary to each other????

Do you think anyone will stand up in court and answer when asked why they were NOT gassed? They said children and women were gassed on arrival. Still these socalled survivors live????

Questions MUST be answered in Norwegian courts. I hope you Mr Moseley will be one of the lawyers, that is unless you are suing me, I will make the court laugh you out of court.

You must know a hell of a lot more if you are taking anybody to court in Norway then you have showed here

You are welcomed to sue me

RjH

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 7:02 PM
Subject: SUING holocaust deniers

 
 
It would be tricky, but as a lawyer I could put together some possibilities.
 
For example, the heirs of the dead could sue on behalf of THE ESTATE of the deceased person.
 
There would be no statute of limitations problem because the slander is HAPPENING NOW.
 
IT would be particularly successful where the anti-semites name a SPECIFIC person such as a holocaust survivor and say that the holocaust survivor LIED in his previous testimony, or an investigator right after the liberation of the camps, by saying that the investigator lied about the death camps.
 
ALSO,  if  someone says that  someone TODAY is lying about their being a holocaust, that could also be the subject of a lawsuit for defamation. 
 
 
 
Jon Moseley


 
-----Original Message-----
From: EVE DEMIAN
Sent: Mar 21, 2007 6:00 AM
 
AND HOW ABOUT A GIGANTIC DEFAMATION SUIT OF SOME SORT, AGAINST INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE PERPETRATED THIS PROVEN FALSE ASSERTION THAT THE HOLOCAUST IS A FRAUD?! 
 
Jon Moseley
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