plan for one month holiday
June Wong
It is very fortunate that I can squeeze a month off between two contracts
next January. I am planning for a one month trip and would LOVE to hear your
experience. I am doing some reading and hv identified the following routes.
It is still too premature to make a decision, but if you hv similar
experience, and indeed had done the routes. Hope you can share experiences.
Route 1: West China and Tibet - It would be tough to travel solely to this
places, not sure if I can handle it - you know, I am getting old.
Route 2: West Africa (Morocco etc) - sound exotic and inexpensive
Route 3: Middle East (eg: Iran etc)
Route 4: Bhutan (really, anyone been there. Is it really that expensive??)
Route 5: Tran-Siberia and Moscow (will it be really really cold in Jan??)
Route 6: Leisure trip to Japan
Any other suggestions??Look forward to hear from you! Thanks.
June
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suggest to take a look at some package tour from www.windgo.com .
A little expensive but safe ma......
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糯米飯
> Dear folks,
>
> It is very fortunate that I can squeeze a month off between two contracts
> next January. I am planning for a one month trip and would LOVE to hear your
> experience. I am doing some reading and hv identified the following routes.
> It is still too premature to make a decision, but if you hv similar
> experience, and indeed had done the routes. Hope you can share experiences.
>
> Route 1: West China and Tibet - It would be tough to travel solely to this
> places, not sure if I can handle it - you know, I am getting old.
the problem is definitely NOT old --- but cold. Are you sure you want to go
阿里 in this season?
> Route 2: West Africa (Morocco etc) - sound exotic and inexpensive
>
> Route 3: Middle East (eg: Iran etc)
one word: dangerous. I won't take obvious risks.
> Route 4: Bhutan (really, anyone been there. Is it really that expensive??)
it is not a matter of expensive or not. If I remember it correctly, it is just
difficult to enter, simply because they are limiting the number of tourists.
> Route 5: Tran-Siberia and Moscow (will it be really really cold in Jan??)
yes, but wouldn't the climate be greater after a gulp of Voldka? ^_^
> Route 6: Leisure trip to Japan
do you think if you can catch the snow festival? first week in Feb.
> Any other suggestions??Look forward to hear from you! Thanks.
How about:
- cycling the whole NZ?
- exploring 東北 of mainland?
－糯米飯
Old Guy
> Route 1: West China and Tibet - It would be tough to travel solely to this
> places, not sure if I can handle it - you know, I am getting old.
I think cold is the main problem. Coz ' Old' has to avoid 'Cold' ma.
>
> Route 2: West Africa (Morocco etc) - sound exotic and inexpensive
Islamic country. Sounds a bit dangerous at present time.
>
> Route 3: Middle East (eg: Iran etc)
Seems too dangerous and risky at present moment.
>
> Route 4: Bhutan (really, anyone been there. Is it really that expensive??)
Correct me if I am wrong.
Only group tour is allowed to enter Bhutan. A Expensive Tour!!
>
> Route 5: Tran-Siberia and Moscow (will it be really really cold in Jan??)
Experienced this route when she was still USSR.
A remarkable and unforgettable experience.
Temperature was -6 degree C in mid April.
If you go in Jan, please be well prepared.
Sky will turn dark very early. Slippery floor.
Museum close early or even under renovation and so on.
>
> Route 6: Leisure trip to Japan
Good for lady I think. ^_^
>
> Any other suggestions??Look forward to hear from you! Thanks.
1. Central or South America.
2. Australia or New Zealand.
3. South Africa and Zambabewe.
momo
> places, not sure if I can handle it - you know, I am getting old.
It's also one of my dream routes. Yes, cold weather is a problem. But, did your
Antartica trip train you up for the cold? :)
> Route 2: West Africa (Morocco etc) - sound exotic and inexpensive
Morocco is beautiful but its neighbouring countries seem politically unstable.
What about Morocco + Spain in one month?
> Route 3: Middle East (eg: Iran etc)
I don't think it's the right time for that region for safety reasons.
> Route 4: Bhutan (really, anyone been there. Is it really that expensive??)
Internet information says you could only visit it in an organized tour.
> Route 5: Tran-Siberia and Moscow (will it be really really cold in Jan??)
You mean to compare it with the Poles?
> Route 6: Leisure trip to Japan
Funny people and beautiful natural sceneries. Dipping into an outdoor onsen when
it's snowing is fantastic.
> Any other suggestions??Look forward to hear from you! Thanks.
S.E. Asia, e.g. Vietnam, Cambodia, Myanmar or Loas -- inexpensive and warm (or
hot).
June Wong
1) Will it be really really cold in Jan to travel to Moscow?
2) Did you start from Beijing and ended at Moscow? Is it ok I take one way
by train and return by flight?
3) Where did u go in USSR?
4) What is the living standard in Moscow? Is it ok for independent travel?
> >
> > Route 5: Tran-Siberia and Moscow (will it be really really cold in
Jan??)
>
> Experienced this route when she was still USSR.
> A remarkable and unforgettable experience.
> Temperature was -6 degree C in mid April.
> If you go in Jan, please be well prepared.
> Sky will turn dark very early. Slippery floor.
> Museum close early or even under renovation and so on.
> >
> 1. Central or South America.
I did it two years ago, it is great but not ready to go back in the near
future.
> 2. Australia or New Zealand.
For some unknown reasons I find these two places unexcited, but I may be
wrong. BTW, they are not cheap either.
> 3. South Africa and Zambabewe.
Are they very modern and non-African countries. Again I may be bias.
Thanks again for your message.
June
June Wong
Long time no talk. Hope everything perfect for you.
> > Route 1: West China and Tibet - It would be tough to travel solely to
this
> > places, not sure if I can handle it - you know, I am getting old.
>
> It's also one of my dream routes. Yes, cold weather is a problem. But, did
your
> Antartica trip train you up for the cold? :)
hehehe....Antarctica turned out not too cold. It was -2 to 5 C, and I was
only outdoor a couple of hours a days. A lot of time in a ship -
airconditioned one. I was spoiled.
>
> > Route 2: West Africa (Morocco etc) - sound exotic and inexpensive
> > Morocco is beautiful but its neighbouring countries seem politically
unstable.
> What about Morocco + Spain in one month?
In fact, I am pretty excited about Morocco. Been to Spain before so may not
want to go back this time.
>
> > Route 6: Leisure trip to Japan
> > Funny people and beautiful natural sceneries. Dipping into an outdoor
onsen when
> it's snowing is fantastic.
Japna doesn't sound too excited, but for old woman like me, perhaps not a
bad idea.
>
> S.E. Asia, e.g. Vietnam, Cambodia, Myanmar or Loas -- inexpensive and warm
(or
> hot).
Never really consider SE Asia for a long trip, but this sound interesting.
BTW, I am taking a 6-day trip to Cambodia during National Day holiday.
Reallye excited about it.
Keep in touch and thanks for write back.
IslanD ....
> Do you have any budget in mind?
>
> > Route 1: West China and Tibet - It would be tough to travel solely to this
> > places, not sure if I can handle it - you know, I am getting old.
>
> I think cold is the main problem. Coz ' Old' has to avoid 'Cold' ma.
'Old' has to avoid 'cold' and some of the roads will be 'close'
> > Route 2: West Africa (Morocco etc) - sound exotic and inexpensive
>
> Islamic country. Sounds a bit dangerous at present time.
I think morocco shouldn't be dangerous when comparing with other islamic
countries. they ppl there are kind and i think they like making money more than
being terrorists. also, the weather will not be so hot in winter. i think she is
a good choice.
> > Route 3: Middle East (eg: Iran etc)
>
> Seems too dangerous and risky at present moment.
yap. 小心鞅及池魚
> >
> > Route 4: Bhutan (really, anyone been there. Is it really that expensive??)
>
> Correct me if I am wrong.
> Only group tour is allowed to enter Bhutan. A Expensive Tour!!
the tour is too short for your holiday
also, check if there's any tour in winter
> > Route 6: Leisure trip to Japan
>
> Good for lady I think. ^_^
i think staying in japan for 1 month is quite expensive
have to spend around 5000 yen for accomodation every night
5000 * 30 = 150 000 app. = HKD 10 000
for me, 唔捨得
June Wong
> 'Old' has to avoid 'cold' and some of the roads will be 'close'
Island,
What a poet!!
Peter L
you think about Bhutan or Iran or West Africa? Some of these countries are
not too friendly to single woman traveling alone.
In order to give better advice, I really would need to know what you'd like
to do on holidays? Scenery, history, architecture, art, food, etc.?
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Peter L
> Your advice seems remarkable. Do u mind few more questions?
>
> 1) Will it be really really cold in Jan to travel to Moscow?
Yes, ask Napolian or Hitler. An extension to the Art of War is, "Don't
fight a land war in Russia in the winter."
IslanD ....
> > 'Old' has to avoid 'cold' and some of the roads will be 'close'
>
> Island,
>
> What a poet!!
>
haha, grammatical mistake: should be 'closed'
June Wong
I am scared about Tibet coz I almost died some 10 years ago traveled to Silk
road solely. I found independent travel in China is in fact, the most
difficult and challenging in the world - at least as far as I experienced.
But I may be wrong.
My worry on sexual harassment is much less serious than environmental and
natural challenges. Physically I am not too strong. And If you, like some
friends in this chartroom who had met me in person before, you will know I
simply don't need to worry about the possibility of sexual harassment.
My interests are on cultural, architecture, art and natural scenery, except
food. You got them almost all right. My budget is relatively flexible - this
may be good news. But I do want to spend my hard earned cash sensibly.
Any advice for someone likes me??
June
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>
> Route 1: West China and Tibet - It would be tough to travel solely to this
> places, not sure if I can handle it - you know, I am getting old.
yes, it's also my dream place!!! But the cold weather is a problem. The
other problem is if you don't now you'll be getting older........ and will
be more difficult for you in the coming days. Maybe join a package tour??
>
> Route 2: West Africa (Morocco etc) - sound exotic and inexpensive
Casablanca! sounds like a good choice.
>
> Route 3: Middle East (eg: Iran etc)
dangerous. Not because of the terrorist but the social position of female is
too low there.
>
> Route 4: Bhutan (really, anyone been there. Is it really that expensive??)
>
> Route 5: Tran-Siberia and Moscow (will it be really really cold in Jan??)
If you can put up with the cold you should be fine in Tibet.
>
> Route 6: Leisure trip to Japan
No need to be rush. You can go there even if you are very very old.
Peter L
> Dear Peter,
>
> I am scared about Tibet coz I almost died some 10 years ago traveled to
Silk
> road solely. I found independent travel in China is in fact, the most
> difficult and challenging in the world - at least as far as I experienced.
> But I may be wrong.
>
> My worry on sexual harassment is much less serious than environmental and
> natural challenges. Physically I am not too strong. And If you, like some
> friends in this chartroom who had met me in person before, you will know I
> simply don't need to worry about the possibility of sexual harassment.
>
> My interests are on cultural, architecture, art and natural scenery,
except
> food. You got them almost all right. My budget is relatively flexible -
this
> may be good news. But I do want to spend my hard earned cash sensibly.
>
> Any advice for someone likes me??
>
> June
One of my "trips to do in the future" is Turkey. History, architecture
galore. And you can always end up in Greece for some R&R.
Green Walker
> > Route 4: Bhutan (really, anyone been there. Is it really that
expensive??)
>
> Correct me if I am wrong.
> Only group tour is allowed to enter Bhutan. A Expensive Tour!!
you can go by yourself but with tour provided by travel agent.
fungshu
> Route 2: West Africa (Morocco etc) - sound exotic and inexpensive
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ali is too cold and not accessible.
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"Dormouse" <NOSPAM_sle...@mail.hongkong.com> 撰寫於郵件新聞:3D80A9E5...@mail.hongkong.com...Jan is the summer season of Australia & I think it'd be a good idea. Scuba diving in the Great Barrier Reef, camel ride in the outback, sleeping on the desert & watching the stars shining in the sky, swimming with the dolphin, whale watching ( can't remember if it's the right time to do this ), white water rafting........One of my friend did the South Africa & Zimbabwe ( and some other places ) in last month. They joined a 3 weeks camping tour from the Internet. Costs about HK$7000 including meals, accommodation, transportation & tourist guide. But the journey starts at Johannesburg ( if I remembered right ) and ended at somewhere in S. Africa, so you have to fly there on your own expenses.
Green Walker
experienced! :P
yes i do think if you're cautious enough, it's okay to travel in muslim
countries.
iran is not bad. it's full of historical sites. iraq has even more!!!
i can't give you advice...coz i have the problem as you! :P
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> Old Guy wrote:
> > > Route 2: West Africa (Morocco etc) - sound exotic and inexpensive
> >
> > Islamic country. Sounds a bit dangerous at present time.
>
> I think morocco shouldn't be dangerous when comparing with other islamic
> countries. they ppl there are kind and i think they like making money more
than
> being terrorists. also, the weather will not be so hot in winter. i think
she is
> a good choice.
>
The local Moroccans may be money-oriented but you can't guarantee no foreign
terrorists would use that country as a base. Many months ago the Moroccan
authority arrested a few terrorists (forgot their nationalities) who were
preparing to launch attacks to naval facilities in Gibraltar.
> > > Route 3: Middle East (eg: Iran etc)
> >
> > Seems too dangerous and risky at present moment.
>
> yap. 小心鞅及池魚
>
Iran may not be safe as the Americans have described the country as one of
the Axis of Evil along with Iraq and North Korea. So, there is a risk of
conflicts. But if you like to travel to countries where locals are
"money-oriented", they are actually quite a few choices in the Middle East
region. Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and of course the United Arab Emirates with
its famous capital of Dubai.
小明
Peter L wrote:
> In order to give better advice, I really would need to know what you'd like
> to do on holidays? Scenery, history, architecture, art, food, etc.?
>
> "June Wong" <wa...@alumni.cuhk.net> wrote in message
> news:alq3au$ocu$1...@menuhin.netfront.net...
> > Dear folks,
> >
> > It is very fortunate that I can squeeze a month off between two contracts
> > next January. I am planning for a one month trip and would LOVE to hear
> your
> > experience. I am doing some reading and hv identified the following
---
Jess
> galore. And you can always end up in Greece for some R&R.
Wow, Turkey!!! It's one of my favourite country. Absolutely fantastic.
小明
:p
Green Walker wrote:
> well i think june needs to write down the places she's been so that we
> won't duplicate. it's difficult to make suggestion to one who's almost
> travelled around the world!!! :P
---
Jess
> > > Route 6: Leisure trip to Japan
> > > Funny people and beautiful natural sceneries. Dipping into an outdoor
> onsen when
> > it's snowing is fantastic.
>
>
> Japna doesn't sound too excited, but for old woman like me, perhaps not a
> bad idea.
Japan in fact is quite a diversified country, and she does have beautiful
scenery, friendly people and good food.
I also suggest that you can find a place with WWOOF hosts. You can spend a
week or so in an organic farm, work half day (depends) for free food and
accomodation, live with the local family ... It's great fun. I know Japan
has a few WWOOF hosts.
小明
糯米飯
> "June Wong" <wa...@alumni.cuhk.net> wrote in message
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> > Your advice seems remarkable. Do u mind few more questions?
> >
> > 1) Will it be really really cold in Jan to travel to Moscow?
>
> Yes, ask Napolian or Hitler. An extension to the Art of War is, "Don't
> fight a land war in Russia in the winter."
haha. So going St. Petersberg still ok, I guess? ^_^
－糯米飯
糯米飯
> Your advice seems remarkable. Do u mind few more questions?
>
> 1) Will it be really really cold in Jan to travel to Moscow?
> 2) Did you start from Beijing and ended at Moscow? Is it ok I take one way
> by train and return by flight?
> 3) Where did u go in USSR?
> 4) What is the living standard in Moscow? Is it ok for independent travel?
> > >
> > > Route 5: Tran-Siberia and Moscow (will it be really really cold in
> Jan??)
> >
> > Experienced this route when she was still USSR.
> > A remarkable and unforgettable experience.
> > Temperature was -6 degree C in mid April.
> > If you go in Jan, please be well prepared.
> > Sky will turn dark very early. Slippery floor.
> > Museum close early or even under renovation and so on.
> > >
A side reminder: there is a 98 or 99 NG issue with an article exactly on the
trans-Siberia rail. It might further arouse your interest in that. If you
want that issue, let me know.
－糯米飯
糯米飯
> Old Guy wrote:
> > I think cold is the main problem. Coz ' Old' has to avoid 'Cold' ma.
>
> 'Old' has to avoid 'cold' and some of the roads will be 'close'
And "the snow in Moscow falls in double when you are feeling cold" !! Be told!! ^_^
－糯米飯
糯米飯
[chopped ...]
> Iran may not be safe as the Americans have described the country as one of
> the Axis of Evil along with Iraq and North Korea. So, there is a risk of
> conflicts. But if you like to travel to countries where locals are
> "money-oriented", they are actually quite a few choices in the Middle East
> region. Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and of course the United Arab Emirates with
> its famous capital of Dubai.
Not with Kuwait, I am afraid. News have been saying that once Americans start
war, Iraq might aim at Kuwait first. Even not so, Kuwait is once of the few
American bases in the Middle East in the Iraqi attack. Things will definite be
super tight then.
－糯米飯
糯米飯
> Dear Peter,
>
> I am scared about Tibet coz I almost died some 10 years ago traveled to Silk
> road solely.
搞邊科？
> I found independent travel in China is in fact, the most
> difficult and challenging in the world - at least as far as I experienced.
> But I may be wrong.
Traveling Tibet is ok now lar ... unless you wanna be 余純順 . The only concern
is about the weather. Weather might be similar to other plateau places, but
don't forget the difficult accomodation conditions in 阿里 which makes the trip
almost mission impossible (at least to me) or unenjoyable.
See if you are traveling 藏北 in a 司機-tour，you might still need to do wild
camping. Of course 南線 accomodation is better and should be ok if you are well
equipped.
> My worry on sexual harassment is much less serious than environmental and
> natural challenges. Physically I am not too strong. And If you, like some
> friends in this chartroom who had met me in person before, you will know I
> simply don't need to worry about the possibility of sexual harassment.
哈哈，那你太低估自己了。不過其他地方不敢說（譬如祕魯？），西藏應該沒有這方面的問題。
> My interests are on cultural, architecture, art and natural scenery, except
> food. You got them almost all right. My budget is relatively flexible - this
> may be good news. But I do want to spend my hard earned cash sensibly.
－糯米飯
糯米飯
[chopped ...]
> Any advice for someone likes me??
>
> June
I would advise "someone (who) likes you" to try to go along with you.
I would advise "someone like you" to stay tuned to HRT.
^_^ !!
－糯米飯
wanderings
> Route 3: Middle East (eg: Iran etc)
=> Reading all the posts above, you may already feel not comfortable to go
there. Do u expect to know more about the middle east culture or
specifically want to investigate the old site of the past Babylon??? If for
the former, Turkey can be really a good choice (as mentioned in previous
posts) since it has great diversity. But will the weather be okay?? Must
check!! especially for the eastern part, it can be very cold. I went
there with Greece and made a trip about 3 weeks. Ancient culture, sites and
building can fit your stomach (i think ;) ). If for the later, I think
sexual harassment is still a concern ( i'm serious, no matter u worry about
it or not), i have strongly sense the danger when i visited Jordan (for
Petra) which is quite touristy already. BTW, they are really attractive and
amazing.
> Route 4: Bhutan (really, anyone been there. Is it really that expensive??)
=> yes, expensive and as said by Island, may be just too short. It has an
amount that you must spend each day there. But if you want to be there,
why not group it together with Nepal or India. U can go from Nepal with the
agent there (by air), and once I have quoted a price (fr the Nepal Agent)
but forget the exact value. I think it will be around $20000 for 7days tour
(include air ticket from HK-Nepal, Nepal - Bhutan, and the whole organised
tour). If you are really interested, i can give u more info. Trekking
there can be nice too.
> Any other suggestions??
=> I would say Central America or NZ.
Best Rgds,
Wanders
Old Guy
Old Guy
'Cold' is just one of the inconvenience.
Sky turns dark very early is the main concern for traveler.
> 2) Did you start from Beijing and ended at Moscow? Is it ok I take one way
> by train and return by flight?
My train journey in 198X started in Beijing. Stopped midway in Irkutsk.
Caught another train to Moscow and.......
Returned to HKG by flight from London Heathrow.
> 3) Where did u go in USSR?
Irkutsk, Moscow and St. Peterburg only.
> 4) What is the living standard in Moscow? Is it ok for independent travel?
Wow. My info in year 198X should be outdated a long time ago la.
I recall that I didnt had to change money for the daily expenses.
I sold lipsticks, jeans, plastic watch, T-shirt, calculator and so on.
Enough for me to eat in the best resturants and buy plenty of souvenirs.
> > 1. Central or South America.
> I did it two years ago, it is great but not ready to go back in the near
> future.
>
> > 2. Australia or New Zealand.
> For some unknown reasons I find these two places unexcited, but I may be
> wrong. BTW, they are not cheap either.
Ha, you want excitement? Some challenging destinations?
>
> > 3. South Africa and Zambabewe.
> Are they very modern and non-African countries. Again I may be bias.
I'd been South Africa last year for 8 days. Quite a unique country with
complete different feelings.
One can say SA is a modern African Country. But I think only those major
cities are qualified for the word 'modern'.
I am planning to go again withn one or two years time.
Old Guy
>
> Yes, ask Napolian or Hitler. An extension to the Art of War is, "Don't
> fight a land war in Russia in the winter."
I like your answer! ^_^
Old Guy
>
> 'Old' has to avoid 'cold' and some of the roads will be 'close'
I love it.
'Old' has to avoid 'Cold' and some of the roads may 'Close' and you have no
where to 'Go'.
>
> > > Route 2: West Africa (Morocco etc) - sound exotic and inexpensive
> >
> > Islamic country. Sounds a bit dangerous at present time.
>
> I think morocco shouldn't be dangerous when comparing with other islamic
> countries. they ppl there are kind and i think they like making money more
than
> being terrorists. also, the weather will not be so hot in winter. i think
she is
> a good choice.
An intersting place. Better to carry the SAR passport.
> > > Route 3: Middle East (eg: Iran etc)
> >
> > Seems too dangerous and risky at present moment.
>
> yap. 小心鞅及池魚
>
> > >
> > > Route 4: Bhutan (really, anyone been there. Is it really that
expensive??)
> >
> > Correct me if I am wrong.
> > Only group tour is allowed to enter Bhutan. A Expensive Tour!!
>
> the tour is too short for your holiday
> also, check if there's any tour in winter
>
> > > Route 6: Leisure trip to Japan
> >
> > Good for lady I think. ^_^
>
> i think staying in japan for 1 month is quite expensive
> have to spend around 5000 yen for accomodation every night
> 5000 * 30 = 150 000 app. = HKD 10 000
> for me, 唔捨得
Old Guy
> >
> > 'Old' has to avoid 'cold' and some of the roads will be 'close'
>
> And "the snow in Moscow falls in double when you are feeling cold" !! Be
told!! ^_^
'Dont say No' when you been told that 'Snow in Moscow falls in double and
you get a cold'.
Old Guy
>
> you can go by yourself but with tour provided by travel agent.
You mean follow all the preset itineraries by travel agent?
Old Guy
Casino? Formula One ?
fungshu
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> => I would say Central America or NZ.
You can put NZ and the Pacific Islands in a single trip.
Peter L
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> > Old Guy wrote:
> > > > Route 2: West Africa (Morocco etc) - sound exotic and inexpensive
> > >
> > > Islamic country. Sounds a bit dangerous at present time.
> >
> > I think morocco shouldn't be dangerous when comparing with other islamic
> > countries. they ppl there are kind and i think they like making money
more
> than
> > being terrorists. also, the weather will not be so hot in winter. i
think
> she is
> > a good choice.
> >
I don't think the terrorists are going after HK tourists.
June Wong
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>
> > Route 3: Middle East (eg: Iran etc)
>
> => Reading all the posts above, you may already feel not comfortable to go
> there. Do u expect to know more about the middle east culture or
> specifically want to investigate the old site of the past Babylon??? If
for
> the former, Turkey can be really a good choice (as mentioned in previous
> posts) since it has great diversity. But will the weather be okay?? Must
> check!! especially for the eastern part, it can be very cold. I went
> there with Greece and made a trip about 3 weeks. Ancient culture, sites
and
> building can fit your stomach (i think ;) ). If for the later, I think
> sexual harassment is still a concern ( i'm serious, no matter u worry
about
> it or not), i have strongly sense the danger when i visited Jordan (for
> Petra) which is quite touristy already. BTW, they are really attractive
and
> amazing.
>
I like both the Middle East history and cultures, and of course babylon. The
consideration is taht I ve been briefly visited to Turkey & Greece. It is
quite good, but doesn't worth go back again within a short period. And there
are so many places I hv never been int eh world. You know, once u engaged in
work, it is like a prison and u dont hv much freedom. That's why I want to
go to Iran, Iraq and Isreal.
> > Route 4: Bhutan (really, anyone been there. Is it really that
expensive??)
> => yes, expensive and as said by Island, may be just too short. It has an
> amount that you must spend each day there. But if you want to be there,
> why not group it together with Nepal or India. U can go from Nepal with
the
> agent there (by air), and once I have quoted a price (fr the Nepal Agent)
> but forget the exact value. I think it will be around $20000 for 7days
tour
> (include air ticket from HK-Nepal, Nepal - Bhutan, and the whole organised
> tour). If you are really interested, i can give u more info. Trekking
> there can be nice too.
HK$20,000.- for 7 days is TOO expensive la.
June Wong
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me and PAY FOR MY TRIP. 笑我!!
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royal family (+ Grace Kelly), casino, and F-1 track recently.
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>kind of know your age <--- me too. XDDDDDD
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> If you had come to HRT much earlier, then you would know all about these.
>
>
> Peter L wrote:
>
> > In order to give better advice, I really would need to know what you'd
like
> > to do on holidays? Scenery, history, architecture, art, food, etc.?
> >
> > "June Wong" <wa...@alumni.cuhk.net> wrote in message
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> > > Dear folks,
> > >
> > > It is very fortunate that I can squeeze a month off between two
contracts
> > > next January. I am planning for a one month trip and would LOVE to
hear
> > your
> > > experience. I am doing some reading and hv identified the following
>
路過人甲
> Route 1: West China and Tibet - It would be tough to travel solely to this
> places, not sure if I can handle it - you know, I am getting old.
我都好想去, 我夢想中既路線: 雲南 - 西藏 - 尼泊爾
>
> Route 2: West Africa (Morocco etc) - sound exotic and inexpensive
我舊年九月去過摩洛哥, d建築物真係好靚, 不修篇幅得來帶點味道, 你一定會好鍾意
!! 冇錯, 駛費係非常平, 一晚youth hostel價錢只不過係約HK$40(多數包早餐), 如果
住小旅館仲可以同館主講價!! 我試過係Essaouria度由原價100dr一間房(公共浴廁, 有
廚房用), 講到最後75dr成交!! 食方面就算係好豪咁食個地道Tagine都係約HK$20, 響
cafe shop飲杯咖啡 / Mint Tea約HK$5, 勁正!! 不過要有個心理準備係, 因為個度係
回教國家, 街上會較少見到女性, 加上d摩洛哥人少接觸東方人, 佢地會對東方女性十
分好奇, 會周不時有人會跟著你(不論是否出於善意), 又或向你搭訕, 要留意。
> Route 3: Middle East (eg: Iran etc)
我覺得要睇o下係邊個地區, 如果係巴林、卡塔爾個堆阿拉伯國家, 可能會好d, 始終個
度都係新興發展旅遊國家; 至於伊朗, 呢幾年佢俾我印象係已經慢慢open中, 最少我留
意到多o左少少旅遊topic係講伊朗, 如果話驚恐怖份子問題, 我覺得我地中國人唔會係
佢地既target, 當然點都係小心為上先喇。
> Route 4: Bhutan (really, anyone been there. Is it really that expensive??)
我都好想去, 不過不丹政府為保護國家文化不受污染, 故此限制入境旅客人數, 好似每
年限約3000人入境, 同埋一定要跟指定既旅遊團及有指定既旅遊路線, 花費亦十分昂貴
, 每日為200美金
>
> Route 5: Tran-Siberia and Moscow (will it be really really cold in Jan??)
肯定變雪條!!
>
> Route 6: Leisure trip to Japan
肯定唔會係我考慮之列
> Any other suggestions??
如果你想睇d好自然既野, 我諗你一定要去冰島同挪威!! 但係你一定要一月出發, 可能
會有困難..........事關同俄羅斯一樣, 呢個時間去一定會變雪條!!
另外印度都應該唔錯, 如果撇開克什米爾既問題..............同埋之前要打好多防疫
針先至可以去...........
路過人甲
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> is Monaco much better ?
>
> > Route 2: West Africa (Morocco etc) - sound exotic and inexpensive
>
>
>
June Wong
1) How long u stayed in Morocco? Besides this, where else u visited in that
trip?
2) Did u fly direct to Morocco? How was the route?
3) How much u spent in total (if u don't mind)? How much is the ticket?
4) U went solely or in group? Is it ok for a single woman to be there. In
most case, I can handle sexual harassment pretty well, as long as there is
no violent.
5) Any recommended travel reading on this??
Many thanks.
June
> > Route 2: West Africa (Morocco etc) - sound exotic and inexpensive
>
> 我舊年九月去過摩洛哥, d建築物真係好靚, 不修篇幅得來帶點味道, 你一定會好鍾
意
> !! 冇錯, 駛費係非常平, 一晚youth hostel價錢只不過係約HK$40(多數包早餐), 如
果
> 住小旅館仲可以同館主講價!! 我試過係Essaouria度由原價100dr一間房(公共浴廁,
有
> 廚房用), 講到最後75dr成交!! 食方面就算係好豪咁食個地道Tagine都係約HK$20,
響
> cafe shop飲杯咖啡 / Mint Tea約HK$5, 勁正!! 不過要有個心理準備係, 因為個度
係
> 回教國家, 街上會較少見到女性, 加上d摩洛哥人少接觸東方人, 佢地會對東方女性
十
> 分好奇, 會周不時有人會跟著你(不論是否出於善意), 又或向你搭訕, 要留意。
>
> >
fungshu
please refer to my latest posts
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> Bermuda wrote:
>
> [chopped ...]
>
> > Iran may not be safe as the Americans have described the country as one
of
> > the Axis of Evil along with Iraq and North Korea. So, there is a risk
of
> > conflicts. But if you like to travel to countries where locals are
> > "money-oriented", they are actually quite a few choices in the Middle
East
> > region. Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and of course the United Arab Emirates
with
> > its famous capital of Dubai.
>
start
> war, Iraq might aim at Kuwait first. Even not so, Kuwait is once of the
few
> American bases in the Middle East in the Iraqi attack. Things will
definite be
> super tight then.
>
> －糯米飯
>
The situation in Kuwait is different to pre-Gulf War with American arm
forces stationed there now.
fungshu
let the Americans die la....
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> "Bombs and guns have no eyes."
>
> Peter L <pete...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > I don't think the terrorists are going after HK tourists.
> >
>
>
Bermuda
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>
>
糯米飯
> 糯米飯 <alex_lo...@iname.com> wrote in message
[chopped ...]
> > Not with Kuwait, I am afraid. News have been saying that once Americans
> start
> > war, Iraq might aim at Kuwait first. Even not so, Kuwait is once of the
> few
> > American bases in the Middle East in the Iraqi attack. Things will
> definite be
> > super tight then.
> >
> > －糯米飯
> >
>
> The situation in Kuwait is different to pre-Gulf War with American arm
> forces stationed there now.
exactly. That's why Kuwait will be militarily busy during the wars.
－糯米飯
糯米飯
> agree. we should not take un-necessary risks.
>
> let the Americans die la....
but more people will die before them first!! (sigh)
－糯米飯
路過人甲
> 1) How long u stayed in Morocco? Besides this, where else u visited in
that
> trip?
9日, 路線為: Casablanca (1 day) - Rabat (2 days) - Fes / Meknes (2 days) -
Marrakech (2 days) - Essaouria (1 day) - Marrakech / Tangier(1 day)
> 2) Did u fly direct to Morocco? How was the route?
香港並沒有直航機去, 我係坐法航響巴黎轉機前往Casablanca, 跟著尾站由摩洛哥北部
港口Tangier搭船去西班牙 / 直布羅陀 (我整個既行程係包括摩洛哥、直布羅陀、西班
牙及葡萄牙)
> 3) How much u spent in total (if u don't mind)? How much is the ticket?
淨計摩洛哥個九日消費, 共用去3503.4dr(約HK$3500), 包括食、住、行、參觀入場費
及手信, 機票則HK$7300
> 4) U went solely or in group? Is it ok for a single woman to be there. In
> most case, I can handle sexual harassment pretty well, as long as there is
> no violent.
我係一條冷去既, 除左間中被當地人"聊"以及有人伸大手板向你行乞之外, 治安方面係
完全冇問題(我都係女仔o黎既, 放心), 不過影相時要小心, 因為當地人唔係咁鍾意俾
你影相, 尤其係賣藝人士及街邊擺賣者, 事後更會問你囉錢作酬金, 要留意
> 5) Any recommended travel reading on this??
當然最好都係Lonely Planet喇!! 尤其係地圖同埋住宿方面recommend, 楂住佢一定冇
問題。另外歐陸個本"地中海遊"都可以參考, 但係唔可以過份依賴, 因為佢d地圖真係
好唔掂(係quote自official既旅遊地圖, 但係好rough, 根本就唔掂), d Youth Hostel
資料又唔齊(冇o左Fes同Marrakech既Youth Hostel資料, 搞到我要問Rabat既YH宿友借
佢本LP抄資料同影印地圖)
Bermuda
>
> 香港並沒有直航機去, 我係坐法航響巴黎轉機前往Casablanca, 跟著尾站由摩洛哥北
部
> 港口Tangier搭船去西班牙 / 直布羅陀 (我整個既行程係包括摩洛哥、直布羅陀、西
班
> 牙及葡萄牙)
>
嘩﹗ 摩洛哥、直布羅陀、西班牙及葡萄牙 ........ (流口水當中 :p)
想請問由 Tangier 搭船前往直布羅陀航程要幾耐﹖ 收費要幾多﹖ Tangier 本身有無
野睇﹖ 你有無晌直布羅陀睇下野 (例如上山頂睇景同探下班馬騮) 呢﹖ 葡萄牙遊左 D
咩地方﹖ 交通如何呢﹖
>
> 我係一條冷去既, 除左間中被當地人"聊"以及有人伸大手板向你行乞之外, 治安方面
係
> 完全冇問題(我都係女仔o黎既, 放心), 不過影相時要小心, 因為當地人唔係咁鍾意
俾
> 你影相, 尤其係賣藝人士及街邊擺賣者, 事後更會問你囉錢作酬金, 要留意
>
你都幾大膽啵。 食野方面點樣﹖ 一個人好難入餐廳食啵 .......
> > 5) Any recommended travel reading on this??
>
> 當然最好都係Lonely Planet喇!! 尤其係地圖同埋住宿方面recommend, 楂住佢一定
冇
> 問題。另外歐陸個本"地中海遊"都可以參考, 但係唔可以過份依賴, 因為佢d地圖真
係
> 好唔掂(係quote自official既旅遊地圖, 但係好rough, 根本就唔掂), d Youth
Hostel
> 資料又唔齊(冇o左Fes同Marrakech既Youth Hostel資料, 搞到我要問Rabat既YH宿友
借
> 佢本LP抄資料同影印地圖)
>
Lonely Planet 你咪要買三本 -- Morocco﹐ Portugal 同埋 Spain﹖ 抑或有一本過既
﹖
我都同意歐陸 D 地圖好唔掂。
Bermuda
講英文可行嗎﹖
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路過人甲
> 想請問由 Tangier 搭船前往直布羅陀航程要幾耐﹖ 收費要幾多﹖
2個鐘頭, 約HK$250, 航班唔多, 反而去Algeciras(西班牙一港口, 鄰近直布羅陀)會多
船d, 價錢相若, 而且響Algeciras有巴士去直布羅陀(響La Linea落車行3分鐘)
>Tangier 本身有無野睇﹖ 你有無晌直布羅陀睇下野 (例如上山頂睇景同探下班馬騮)
呢﹖
我只逗留o左Tangier短短一個鐘, 以我所知個度有Medina(摩洛哥舊城區), 不過其實全
個摩洛哥主要大城市都會有Medina, 而且睇既野差不多
至於直布羅陀, 地方非常細, 用半日時間就已經可以行完, 個人認為並非十分特別, 乍
看甚至有d似香港! 由其係一入到直布羅陀境內, 行過機場跑道後(因為我係由西班牙
入境, 必須經過佢既蚊型機場跑道先至入到市區), 你會見到佢地既住宅, 同香港既公
務員 / 警察宿舍好似!! 唔知係咪因為係英國殖民地有關。
我有上山頂, 隱約見到對岸既Ceuta, 但係就見唔到一隻馬騮!! 有d失望!! 因為個日我
好晏先至到直布羅陀, 冇得參觀馬騮洞, 纜車站d職員(態度非常惡劣!!)只肯買上山頂
既車票俾我。
葡萄牙遊左 D咩地方﹖ 交通如何呢﹖
主要stay o左係里斯本, 然後去左周圍附近玩, 如Alcobaca, Fatima, Sintra同
Cascais。老實講, 葡萄牙既建築物俾我想像中差, 尤其係里斯本; 比較可取既地方係
Sintra同Cascais, Fatima主要係去朝聖, 但係Fatima教堂一帶既氣氛有份懾人既莊嚴,
我相信即使你唔係教徒, 你都會感覺到個種氣氛; 至於Alcobaca其實係因為受到邀請而
去, 主要都係參觀聖母修道院, 裏面有葡萄牙國王(好似係Ferdinand II)及其皇后既靈
柩, 但同其他歐洲地區堂皇華麗教堂相比, 佢顯得十分樸素及蒼白。
交通方面除左Alcobaca係由朋友楂車去之外, 其餘主要都係搭火車同長途巴士。
> > 我係一條冷去既, 除左間中被當地人"聊"以及有人伸大手板向你行乞之外, 治安方
面
> 係
> > 完全冇問題(我都係女仔o黎既, 放心), 不過影相時要小心, 因為當地人唔係咁鍾
意
> 俾
> > 你影相, 尤其係賣藝人士及街邊擺賣者, 事後更會問你囉錢作酬金, 要留意
> >
>
> 你都幾大膽啵。 食野方面點樣﹖ 一個人好難入餐廳食啵 .......
因為摩洛哥既飲食十分平, 基本上我好多野都試勻哂, 舉例如下:
Casablanca - 平民化餐廳食Beef Ball Tagine + 一籃法式麵包 + 薯條 + 2枝可樂 =
50dr (2人份)
Rabat - 大排檔風味餐廳食雞肉Tagine + 一籃麵包 + 1枝可樂 = 26dr
漢堡包 + 可樂 = 19dr
摩洛哥特色生果沙律甜品(係將雜果 + nuts + 士多啤梨糖漿+ 刨冰) =
8dr
麥噹噹餐(芝士漢堡 + 汽水) = 18.5dr
咖啡 + 朱古力酥 = 10dr
Fes - Medina鮮榨橙汁 = 5dr
麵包 + 湯(唔知咩名堂, 有d似蛇羹) = 8dr
一舊好似手榴彈既生果(唔記得叫咩名, 總之唔係石榴) = 1dr
Meknes - 雞肉沙律Submarine一大隻(真係大份得好驚人, 足以令到我唔駛再食晚飯) +
可樂 = 25dr
Marrakech - Jemma el Fna大排檔既串燒牛肉 + 摩洛哥沙律 + 一籃麵包 + 水 = 30dr
(2人份)
都係Jemma el Fna大排檔既蝸牛湯 = 8dr
Essauoria - 中途加油站雪榚(其實冇乜特別, 只係過o下口癮) = 5dr
路邊杏仁酥點心一件 + 俾人老屈攝影費 = 3dr
坐係近海邊氣氛唔錯既餐廳既的骰露台位食搵笨Bolonaise(因為只
係一兜好淋既意粉加一盆茄汁再加少許碎芝士) + 可樂 = 30dr (其實價錢已經係全
Essauoria較公道既餐廳)
摩洛哥食物平均都唔錯, 除o左可能會有較多既烏繩騷擾你之外............
至於一條冷既飲食問題, 其實比較可能遇到既問題係言語不通(尤其係食街邊檔或地道
既摩洛哥餐廳), 因為懂英文既摩洛哥人不多, 不過都俾我"手指指"攪掂!! 又或者係
youth hostel識到d識講法文既朋友仔(法文係摩洛哥既官方語言之一), 就搵佢地出
頭。
> Lonely Planet 你咪要買三本 -- Morocco﹐ Portugal 同埋 Spain﹖ 抑或有一本過
既﹖
我只係帶左三本旅遊書: 地中海遊(歐陸個本)、Morocco(Insight, 好薄)同西班牙、葡
萄牙(錦繡出版, 台灣出既旅遊書), LP都係借係沿途識既朋友look look或影印
>
> 我都同意歐陸 D 地圖好唔掂。
尤其係Rabat個地圖, 如果照佢所指去搵youth hostel, 肯定俾佢玩死!!
路過人甲
> 仲有關於摩洛哥﹐ 邊度換當地貨幣比較安全﹖ 果度 D 錢係咪唔帶得出境﹖ 同當地
人
> 講英文可行嗎﹖
當然係去銀行換好d喇!! 不過銀行及兌換店既兌換率其實都係差不多, 差距不超過
0.1%。錢方面雖然有書話"不可帶大量摩洛哥貨幣出境", 但係我係走既時候根本都冇人
查(當時我身上仲用剩約100dr)。
摩洛哥既官方語言係法文及阿拉伯文, 識英文既人不多, 主要係於旅遊區、大型酒店及
youth hostel、美式餐廳(如麥噹噹等)、銀行工作既人士會識英文, 亦有少數的士司機
及"無牌導遊"(Faud Guide, 響摩洛哥係非法既, 主要係d細路仔或者係廿來歲後生仔為
搵兩餐, 而主動向遊客提供導遊服務, 但質素全無保障之餘, 亦有機會墮入騙局)識英
文, 其他地方如"地茂"餐廳、火車站及長途巴士站、甚至係郵政局既職員, 多數係唔識
英文既。
另外摩洛哥既旅遊局亦係非常之奇怪, 分成只提供英語服務及只提供法文服務兩種, 可
提供英語服務既遊客諮詢中心既地方好少, 反而法文諮詢中心會較多及所提供既資料亦
較多較齊全
Bermuda
>
> > 仲有關於摩洛哥﹐ 邊度換當地貨幣比較安全﹖ 果度 D 錢係咪唔帶得出境﹖
>
> 0.1%。錢方面雖然有書話"不可帶大量摩洛哥貨幣出境", 但係我係走既時候根本都冇
人
> 查(當時我身上仲用剩約100dr)。
>
但係呢﹐ 會唔會有人見到你係遊客樣又晌銀行行出黎會打你主要想打劫呢﹖ 機場或者
港口有無銀行換錢呢﹖
Bermuda
>
> > 想請問由 Tangier 搭船前往直布羅陀航程要幾耐﹖ 收費要幾多﹖
>
> 2個鐘頭, 約HK$250, 航班唔多, 反而去Algeciras(西班牙一港口, 鄰近直布羅陀)會
多
> 船d, 價錢相若, 而且響Algeciras有巴士去直布羅陀(響La Linea落車行3分鐘)
>
以我所知 Ceuta 每個鐘都有船往返 Algeciras﹐ 你估會唔會方便 D 呢﹖
>
> 至於直布羅陀, 地方非常細, 用半日時間就已經可以行完, 個人認為並非十分特別,
乍
> 看甚至有d似香港! 由其係一入到直布羅陀境內, 行過機場跑道後(因為我係由西班
牙
> 入境, 必須經過佢既蚊型機場跑道先至入到市區), 你會見到佢地既住宅, 同香港既
公
> 務員 / 警察宿舍好似!! 唔知係咪因為係英國殖民地有關。
>
> 我有上山頂, 隱約見到對岸既Ceuta, 但係就見唔到一隻馬騮!! 有d失望!! 因為個日
我
> 好晏先至到直布羅陀, 冇得參觀馬騮洞, 纜車站d職員(態度非常惡劣!!)只肯買上山
頂
> 既車票俾我。
>
見到西班牙過關落去直布羅陀條車龍係咪好長﹐ 行路仲快過渣車果隻呢﹖
你又要唱 D 直布羅陀鎊或者英鎊黎洗添啵﹐ 會唔會覺得好晒氣呢﹖
我知煙酒同電油之類果度比西班牙平 D﹐ 但係果度其他一般 D 物價會唔會平 D﹐ 值
唔值得晌果度入返 D 日用品﹖
> 葡萄牙遊左 D咩地方﹖ 交通如何呢﹖
>
> 主要stay o左係里斯本, 然後去左周圍附近玩, 如Alcobaca, Fatima, Sintra同
> Cascais。老實講, 葡萄牙既建築物俾我想像中差, 尤其係里斯本; 比較可取既地方
係
> Sintra同Cascais, Fatima主要係去朝聖, 但係Fatima教堂一帶既氣氛有份懾人既莊
嚴,
> 我相信即使你唔係教徒, 你都會感覺到個種氣氛; 至於Alcobaca其實係因為受到邀請
而
> 去, 主要都係參觀聖母修道院, 裏面有葡萄牙國王(好似係Ferdinand II)及其皇后既
靈
> 柩, 但同其他歐洲地區堂皇華麗教堂相比, 佢顯得十分樸素及蒼白。
>
依你形容﹐ 反而合乎返我想像中葡萄牙既風格啵﹐ 應該係比較破舊﹐ 天主教色彩較
濃。 她既前殖民地 (例如澳門) 都或多或少會反映呢一點。
> 交通方面除左Alcobaca係由朋友楂車去之外, 其餘主要都係搭火車同長途巴士。
>
你既朋友係晌當地住﹖ 抑或係租車﹖
最貴都係 30dr﹐ 平到丫 ......... 我諗你過返黎歐洲應該會唔慣﹐ 不過葡萄牙同西
班牙晌西歐都已經較平架喇。
小明
wanderings
> I like both the Middle East history and cultures, and of course babylon.
The
> consideration is taht I ve been briefly visited to Turkey & Greece. It is
> quite good, but doesn't worth go back again within a short period. And
there
> are so many places I hv never been int eh world. You know, once u engaged
in
> work, it is like a prison and u dont hv much freedom. That's why I want to
> go to Iran, Iraq and Isreal.
america already. Oh, sorry for previous recommendation. And for middle
east, Iran and Iraq may be under war soon. You are still eager to go or will
go to Morocco???
> > > Route 4: Bhutan (really, anyone been there. Is it really that
> expensive??)
>
> HK$20,000.- for 7 days is TOO expensive la.
=> hehehe, really expensive. When i was very young, i read from a magazine
describing the daily tour expenses, I thought only rich people could go.
The magazine described this place as Shangrila and then I find that
lots,lots places are described as Shangrila from different bks. So, are
there really Shangrila? But in my mind, this is a very special country
which can self support and open to outside with quota control. For Nepal
guys, this place is their dream country to go ( but surely Tibet is the
first for them).
- Wanders
糯米飯
> To add to your advice. I would hope someone (who) likes me to go along with
> me and PAY FOR MY TRIP. 笑我!!
最後這個要求不難。 ^_^
能夠有資格 "go along with you" and "pay for your trip",
你叫他對著「你」，不從心裡「笑」出來都幾難。
－糯米飯
糯米飯
－糯米飯
June Wong wrote:
> Dear folks,
>
> It is very fortunate that I can squeeze a month off between two contracts
> next January. I am planning for a one month trip and would LOVE to hear your
> experience. I am doing some reading and hv identified the following routes.
> It is still too premature to make a decision, but if you hv similar
> experience, and indeed had done the routes. Hope you can share experiences.
June Wong
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June Wong
and Tran-Siberian Railway. I don't want my friends (and enemy - like you)
worry about me. I am seriously thinking about Morocco. But Instead of going
north to Spain, I will go down south to the neighboring African countries.
Now reading books on it. On the other hand, I still haven't dropped the idea
of Iran etc. If you, as a friend, don't really want me to try this risk, you
better stop posting Wynnie's travel journey. What a temptation!! I may be
spoiled, but if she can go, why not me!! anyway, will let you all know about
the final plan, and thanks in advance for all the info. The discussion was
great, and I hope it can continue.
June
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Bermuda
red to be a dangerous business. It's a disputed region. There are thousand
s of unexploded mines. Although a UN cease-fire is in place, threat of retu
rning conflicts cannot be ruled out. If you do want to go there, it will be
better to visit the Moroccan Embassy to seek advice and see whether you'll n
eed a special permit to visit that region.
Also bear in mind that Algeria is also a country in conflict. Their border
with Morocco is currently closed. Don't even try to walk around the Morocc
- Algeria border area or you will quite likely find yourself in trouble. T
hat leaves Mauritania the only possible option for land border crossing. Ho
wever, you'll need a visa to visit there (for SAR or BNO passport).
June Wong <wa...@alumni.cuhk.net> wrote in message news:am4er5$26mg$1@menuhi
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Green Walker
有關你的食物篇, 你是 refer 你當天的日記, 還是隨時可以記得起? amazing!
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>
> > 想請問由 Tangier 搭船前往直布羅陀航程要幾耐﹖ 收費要幾多﹖
>
> 2個鐘頭, 約HK$250, 航班唔多, 反而去Algeciras(西班牙一港口, 鄰近直布羅陀)會
多
> 船d, 價錢相若, 而且響Algeciras有巴士去直布羅陀(響La Linea落車行3分鐘)
>
> >Tangier 本身有無野睇﹖ 你有無晌直布羅陀睇下野 (例如上山頂睇景同探下班馬
騮)
> 呢﹖
>
> 我只逗留o左Tangier短短一個鐘, 以我所知個度有Medina(摩洛哥舊城區), 不過其實
全
> 個摩洛哥主要大城市都會有Medina, 而且睇既野差不多
>
> 至於直布羅陀, 地方非常細, 用半日時間就已經可以行完, 個人認為並非十分特別,
乍
> 看甚至有d似香港! 由其係一入到直布羅陀境內, 行過機場跑道後(因為我係由西班
牙
> 入境, 必須經過佢既蚊型機場跑道先至入到市區), 你會見到佢地既住宅, 同香港既
公
> 務員 / 警察宿舍好似!! 唔知係咪因為係英國殖民地有關。
>
> 我有上山頂, 隱約見到對岸既Ceuta, 但係就見唔到一隻馬騮!! 有d失望!! 因為個日
我
> 好晏先至到直布羅陀, 冇得參觀馬騮洞, 纜車站d職員(態度非常惡劣!!)只肯買上山
頂
> 既車票俾我。
>
> 葡萄牙遊左 D咩地方﹖ 交通如何呢﹖
>
> 主要stay o左係里斯本, 然後去左周圍附近玩, 如Alcobaca, Fatima, Sintra同
> Cascais。老實講, 葡萄牙既建築物俾我想像中差, 尤其係里斯本; 比較可取既地方
係
> Sintra同Cascais, Fatima主要係去朝聖, 但係Fatima教堂一帶既氣氛有份懾人既莊
嚴,
> 我相信即使你唔係教徒, 你都會感覺到個種氣氛; 至於Alcobaca其實係因為受到邀請
而
> 去, 主要都係參觀聖母修道院, 裏面有葡萄牙國王(好似係Ferdinand II)及其皇后既
靈
路過人甲
> 但係呢﹐ 會唔會有人見到你係遊客樣又晌銀行行出黎會打你主要想打劫呢﹖ 機場或
者港口有無銀行換錢呢﹖
摩洛哥人民雖然並不富有, 但係個度d人就算係窮都未至於要靠打劫為生, 反而行乞既
人會較多, 而且個度d銀行多數都會locate響大街大巷度, 我係個度咁耐又未試過出事
(亦都可能同我打扮得寒酸, 加上加倍留意身邊有冇可疑人物有關)
Casablanca既機場我記得有兩間銀行可以換錢(因為係落機之後第一件要做既事, 所以
好記得), 至於Tangier既Ocean Terminal都好似有兌換店(呢個唔多sure)
路過人甲
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路過人甲
> 以我所知 Ceuta 每個鐘都有船往返 Algeciras﹐ 你估會唔會方便 D 呢﹖
Tangier都係一樣, 而且有兩間船公司既船揀, 都係搭大船
提起搭船, 你令我諗起蔚藍壯麗既直布羅陀海峽, 以及當船航行時有大群大群既海豚游
近你..........簡直十分懷念!!
> 見到西班牙過關落去直布羅陀條車龍係咪好長﹐ 行路仲快過渣車果隻呢﹖
唔知係咪因為係淡季兼non-peak hour(我係下午3點鐘左右到直布羅陀), 車龍並不長,
過關都好快手, 關員只係好求其咁望一望我本BNO就俾我過關
> 你又要唱 D 直布羅陀鎊或者英鎊黎洗添啵﹐ 會唔會覺得好晒氣呢﹖
要用既時候都冇辦法o架!! 你可以唔唱咁多錢丫嘛!! 我當時好似只係唱左US$20既直布
羅陀鎊, 此外有部份地方係收西班牙pts
> 我知煙酒同電油之類果度比西班牙平 D﹐ 但係果度其他一般 D 物價會唔會平 D﹐
值唔值得晌果度入返 D 日用品﹖
千祈唔好係直布羅陀入貨!! 普遍駛費都係比西班牙貴!! 我記得淨係飲杯汽水就已經要
成5鎊!!
> 依你形容﹐ 反而合乎返我想像中葡萄牙既風格啵﹐ 應該係比較破舊﹐ 天主教色彩
較濃。 她既前殖民地 (例如澳門) 都或多或少會反映呢一點。
可能就係因為我對澳門既印象影響吧!! 不過普遍葡萄牙既古蹟都好似冇乜點做維修,
唔多唔少影響o左我對佢既印象
> 你既朋友係晌當地住﹖ 抑或係租車﹖
佢本身係入藉巴西既日本人(不過佢好強調佢自己係巴西人多過日本人), 不過係里斯本
有屋有車
> 最貴都係 30dr﹐ 平到丫 ......... 我諗你過返黎歐洲應該會唔慣﹐ 不過葡萄牙同
西班牙晌西歐都已經較平架喇。
係呀, 所以成個trip都唔係用左好多錢..........即使係響摩洛哥狂買手信(個度既手
信實在係太正喇!!) :p
糯米飯
> Not yet come up with the final decision, but I guess I will drop the Tibet
> and Tran-Siberian Railway.
oh, if I were you, I won't have dropped the Trans-Siberian trip that early ....
Russia in winter is really Siberian!
> I don't want my friends (and enemy - like you)
> worry about me.
Provided your SA-experience on your resume, I will only be happy for you.
> I am seriously thinking about Morocco. But Instead of going
> north to Spain, I will go down south to the neighboring African countries.
> Now reading books on it. On the other hand, I still haven't dropped the idea
> of Iran etc. If you, as a friend, don't really want me to try this risk, you
> better stop posting Wynnie's travel journey. What a temptation!!
真的嗎？
> I may be
> spoiled, but if she can go, why not me!! anyway, will let you all know about
> the final plan, and thanks in advance for all the info. The discussion was
> great, and I hope it can continue.
same here. 簡直令我大開眼界。I am so proud of the quality of HRTers here.
－糯米飯
> June
糯米飯
－糯米飯
糯米飯 wrote:
[chopped ...]
> A side reminder: there is a 98 or 99 NG issue with an article exactly on the
> trans-Siberia rail. It might further arouse your interest in that. If you
> want that issue, let me know.
Bermuda
>
> > 以我所知 Ceuta 每個鐘都有船往返 Algeciras﹐ 你估會唔會方便 D 呢﹖
>
> Tangier都係一樣, 而且有兩間船公司既船揀, 都係搭大船
> 提起搭船, 你令我諗起蔚藍壯麗既直布羅陀海峽, 以及當船航行時有大群大群既海豚
游
> 近你..........簡直十分懷念!!
>
但係 Ceuta 果邊有快船揀啵﹐ 可以將航程縮短至一小時甚至以下。
>
> > 見到西班牙過關落去直布羅陀條車龍係咪好長﹐ 行路仲快過渣車果隻呢﹖
>
> 唔知係咪因為係淡季兼non-peak hour(我係下午3點鐘左右到直布羅陀), 車龍並不長
,
> 過關都好快手, 關員只係好求其咁望一望我本BNO就俾我過關
>
果個應該係西班牙既海關﹖ 見到條車龍唔長無隱玩野所以比你掂行掂過。
> > 你又要唱 D 直布羅陀鎊或者英鎊黎洗添啵﹐ 會唔會覺得好晒氣呢﹖
>
> 要用既時候都冇辦法o架!! 你可以唔唱咁多錢丫嘛!! 我當時好似只係唱左US$20既直
布
> 羅陀鎊, 此外有部份地方係收西班牙pts
>
係啵﹐ 你去果陣仲未轉歐元﹐ 而家你咪有 D 歷史貨幣。
> > 我知煙酒同電油之類果度比西班牙平 D﹐ 但係果度其他一般 D 物價會唔會平 D﹐
> 值唔值得晌果度入返 D 日用品﹖
>
> 千祈唔好係直布羅陀入貨!! 普遍駛費都係比西班牙貴!! 我記得淨係飲杯汽水就已經
要
> 成5鎊!!
唔係呱﹖﹖ 英國都無咁貴啵﹐ 可能係搵你笨都似。
>
> > 你既朋友係晌當地住﹖ 抑或係租車﹖
>
> 佢本身係入藉巴西既日本人(不過佢好強調佢自己係巴西人多過日本人), 不過係里斯
本
> 有屋有車
>
係晌旅途中識既﹖ 間屋靚唔靚大唔大呀﹖
> > 最貴都係 30dr﹐ 平到丫 ......... 我諗你過返黎歐洲應該會唔慣﹐ 不過葡萄牙
同
> 西班牙晌西歐都已經較平架喇。
>
> 係呀, 所以成個trip都唔係用左好多錢..........即使係響摩洛哥狂買手信(個度既
手
> 信實在係太正喇!!) :p
>
有 D 咩野值得買架﹖
Bermuda
>
> 摩洛哥人民雖然並不富有, 但係個度d人就算係窮都未至於要靠打劫為生, 反而行乞
既
> 人會較多, 而且個度d銀行多數都會locate響大街大巷度, 我係個度咁耐又未試過出
事
> (亦都可能同我打扮得寒酸, 加上加倍留意身邊有冇可疑人物有關)
>
都係聽返黎架咋﹐ 有遊客晌當地被偷被搶﹐ 噤 ATM 果陣亦都好危險。
路過人甲
> 但係 Ceuta 果邊有快船揀啵﹐ 可以將航程縮短至一小時甚至以下。
唔知道個度有快船, 不過我覺得坐快船會失去欣賞直布羅陀海峽景色價值, 以及會有機
會見唔到海豚
> 果個應該係西班牙既海關﹖
個度好明顯係直布羅陀既海關........
>見到條車龍唔長無隱玩野所以比你掂行掂過。
唔明你呢句意思, 我到達當日正值911事件, 相信海關方面唔會求其俾我掂行掂過
> > > 你既朋友係晌當地住﹖ 抑或係租車﹖
> >
> > 佢本身係入藉巴西既日本人(不過佢好強調佢自己係巴西人多過日本人), 不過係里
斯
> 本
> > 有屋有車
> >
>
> 係晌旅途中識既﹖ 間屋靚唔靚大唔大呀﹖
係響火車度識既, 不過我地只係相約一齊出黎玩(佢仲遲到成粒鐘!!), 並冇參觀佢間屋
> > 係呀, 所以成個trip都唔係用左好多錢..........即使係響摩洛哥狂買手信(個度
既手信實在係太正喇!!) :p
>
> 有 D 咩野值得買架﹖
我自己就買o左一小塊人手織地毯、摩洛哥民族樂器鐵響板、皮做涼鞋、手繪陶瓷彩
碟、小型Tagine、圍巾、當地民族服飾等等
其實個度d燈飾都好靚, 只係驚買o左冇地方擺...........
另外個度d銀飾雖然都幾靚, 不過頗昂貴!!
去到摩洛哥買野, 一定要講價!! 同埋儘量唔好響Marrakech買, 因為Marrakech係摩洛
哥著名旅遊區, 響個度買野一定貴!! Meknes比較平, 不過選擇相對亦較小
Bermuda
>
> > 但係 Ceuta 果邊有快船揀啵﹐ 可以將航程縮短至一小時甚至以下。
>
> 唔知道個度有快船, 不過我覺得坐快船會失去欣賞直布羅陀海峽景色價值, 以及會有
機
> 會見唔到海豚
>
不過淨係有得睇﹐ 無得同 D 海豚一齊暢泳﹐ 對於我黎講唔足夠呢。 :)
西班牙﹐ 葡萄牙﹐ 直布羅陀 同 摩洛哥四地如果講海灘係咪應該係西班牙最正﹖ 聽
講話摩洛哥 D 海灘有 D 污染得幾嚴重下。
> > 果個應該係西班牙既海關﹖
> 個度好明顯係直布羅陀既海關........
>
寫到明係直布羅陀海關﹖ 又係﹐ 你入直布羅陀應該都係。 應該掉返轉入西班牙先
係西班牙海關。
> >見到條車龍唔長無隱玩野所以比你掂行掂過。
>
> 唔明你呢句意思, 我到達當日正值911事件, 相信海關方面唔會求其俾我掂行掂過
>
啊﹗ 有無晌你護照度蓋印﹖
摩洛哥係咪出入境都要晌護照蓋印﹖ 西班牙有無蓋你印呢﹖
> 係響火車度識既, 不過我地只係相約一齊出黎玩(佢仲遲到成粒鐘!!), 並冇參觀佢間
屋
>
>
> 我自己就買o左一小塊人手織地毯、摩洛哥民族樂器鐵響板、皮做涼鞋、手繪陶瓷彩
> 碟、小型Tagine、圍巾、當地民族服飾等等
>
> 其實個度d燈飾都好靚, 只係驚買o左冇地方擺...........
>
> 另外個度d銀飾雖然都幾靚, 不過頗昂貴!!
>
> 去到摩洛哥買野, 一定要講價!! 同埋儘量唔好響Marrakech買, 因為Marrakech係摩
洛
> 哥著名旅遊區, 響個度買野一定貴!! Meknes比較平, 不過選擇相對亦較小
>
>
明白﹐ 好多謝你既資料。
有無打算再去過﹖ 又或者有第二度想去﹖
路過人甲
> 啊﹗ 有無晌你護照度蓋印﹖
>
> 摩洛哥係咪出入境都要晌護照蓋印﹖
係, 尤其係出境, 如果你事先冇係海關度打離境印, 你就算買左船飛都唔會俾你上船
(有人係上船前再check你本passport)
> 西班牙有無蓋你印呢﹖
冇
淨係檢查o左我個神根簽證, 跟住就放人
> 有無打算再去過﹖ 又或者有第二度想去﹖
摩洛哥呢個trip雖然係好好玩, 不過呢個世界實在係太大, 儘可能都係想去左未去過而
有興趣去既地方先, 例如東歐、古巴、尼泊爾、雲南、西藏......
Bermuda
>
> 摩洛哥呢個trip雖然係好好玩, 不過呢個世界實在係太大, 儘可能都係想去左未去過
而
> 有興趣去既地方先, 例如東歐、古巴、尼泊爾、雲南、西藏......
>
心目中對邊 D 東歐國家有興趣﹖
美洲有咁多國家﹐ 點解只係對古巴情有獨鐘﹖
路過人甲
> 心目中對邊 D 東歐國家有興趣﹖
最想去係波蘭, 尤其係Krakow既集中營; 其次係奧地利, 去探莫札特既故鄉Salzburg,
順便去Linz探朋友, 同埋踏單車漫遊多瑙河沿岸, 希望奧地利真係recover o左喇! 另
外斯洛伐克同斯洛文尼亞都好似冇乜人去過, 聽聞係兩個十分安靜而純樸既國家, 真係
想去感受o下; 當然亦都要去埋捷克, 尋找Bohemian既腳印
>
> 美洲有咁多國家﹐ 點解只係對古巴情有獨鐘﹖
只因"樂滿夏灣拿"!!
Bermuda
咁你果陣去摩洛哥﹐ 西班牙﹐ 葡萄牙同埋直布羅陀﹐ 住宿係去到先搵抑或一早訂定既呢﹖