文化大革命
Bunnyman
文化大革命 -- 五大惡人
袁智聰 - 寫稿佬，首次出現在 Music Bus，之後在年青人周報長注數年。現自主
MBC。他寫稿完全跟潮流，由英國 indie
到電子一直跟英國風。他常常扮英國青年，其髮型十分難定。寫稿風格：番查樂隊資料
(佔文一半)，翻譯外國雜誌，呃人唔識。
陳錫海 - 又名 Henry
Chan，仆街一個。專寫自瀆文字，最愛大浪漫、情情愛愛。全文三份二可以和音樂無關，只是他的自瀆物。最愛叫人去
Mon 記。思想停留在八十年代新浪漫，Japan 信徒。以 Henry Chan
筆名毒害港九青少年，當年的 Van ， Scene，
Way仔慘劇就是他一手做成。自以為香港潮流之父，在Yes等多份雜誌出現，曾出打扮精讀三本。見此肥佬見一鑊打一鑊。
Alan Chan - 又名Mon 記陳雅倫，Mon 記話事人之一。在以前的 Monitor
寫稿。自以為另類王，最愛長篇大論大吹水，扮高深。專呃扮另類人仕，又神又鬼又精神分析又法西斯。
偉 - 又名肥西偉、廚房偉，曾在年青人周報寫下多篇實驗音樂稿，完全無料到。只因
Sound
Factory"黑九的"關係聽多少少實驗CD，便自吹自雷，欲做實驗王二號。曾組垃圾工業樂隊
I666。
黃志淙 -
DJ，已將自己神化，有精神病，常幻想可以打救世人。曾組樂隊，但沒有天分，不了了之。雖他影響力不大，但也有一班忠心信徒。而神化一面，理應列入五大惡人。
Andy
You may treat 袁智聰 as a translator rather than a writer. I don't think he's
that bad. After all, he has introduced new music/bands to hk people.
I would say 黃志淙 is a bit subjective and self-indulgent. But that's his
style. He has also introduced new sounds in 'city magazine'. You may not
agree to what he said but some of the music/CDs he recommended are really
quite good.
Bunnyman wrote in message ...
>文化大革命 -- 五大惡人
>
>袁智聰 - 寫稿佬，首次出現在 Music Bus，之後在年青人周報長注數年。現自主
>MBC。他寫稿完全跟潮流，由英國 indie
>到電子一直跟英國風。他常常扮英國青年，其髮型十分難定。寫稿風格：番查樂隊資料
>(佔文一半)，翻譯外國雜誌，呃人唔識。
>
Panda
Andy wrote:
> You may treat 袁智聰 as a translator rather than a writer. I don't
> think he's
> that bad. After all, he has introduced new music/bands to hk people.
> I would say 黃志淙 is a bit subjective and self-indulgent. But that's
> his
> style. He has also introduced new sounds in 'city magazine'. You may
> not
> agree to what he said but some of the music/CDs he recommended are
> really
> quite good.
>
>
Im quite agree with u.
在香港，接触外國音樂的渠道非常少，如果不是去過外國，到現在我可能還停留在郭富城的階段。
黃志淙雖然樣衰衰，行動古怪，但他的節目起碼提供了鄭秀文以外的選擇。
La femme Nikita
無可否認呢五條友好係好惡頂, 不過你唔係真係咁憎佢地?!
至於那個DJ 嘛, 他如何把自己神化?! 我很少聽或看他的節目, 可否告知一二??
--
碇, 你不會死, 我會保護你.
JARVI
Bunnyman wrote:
>
I just want to ask ,u know them all?
>
文化大革命 -- 五大惡人
>
> 袁智聰 - 寫稿佬，首次出現在 Music Bus，之後在年青人周報長注數年。現自主
> MBC。他寫稿完全跟潮流，由英國 indie
> 到電子一直跟英國風。他常常扮英國青年，其髮型十分難定。寫稿風格：番查樂隊資料
> (佔文一半)，翻譯外國雜誌，呃人唔識。
>
> Chan，仆街一個。專寫自瀆文字，最愛大浪漫、情情愛愛。全文三份二可以和音樂無關，只是他的自瀆物。最愛叫人去
> Mon 記。思想停留在八十年代新浪漫，Japan 信徒。以 Henry Chan
> 筆名毒害港九青少年，當年的 Van ， Scene，
> Way仔慘劇就是他一手做成。自以為香港潮流之父，在Yes等多份雜誌出現，曾出打扮精讀三本。見此肥佬見一鑊打一鑊。
>
> Alan Chan - 又名Mon 記陳雅倫，Mon 記話事人之一。在以前的 Monitor
> 寫稿。自以為另類王，最愛長篇大論大吹水，扮高深。專呃扮另類人仕，又神又鬼又精神分析又法西斯。
>
> 偉 - 又名肥西偉、廚房偉，曾在年青人周報寫下多篇實驗音樂稿，完全無料到。只因
> Sound
> Factory"黑九的"關係聽多少少實驗CD，便自吹自雷，欲做實驗王二號。曾組垃圾工業樂隊
> I666。
>
> 黃志淙 -
syntribal
Bunnyman wrote:
> 文化大革命 -- 五大惡人
>
> 袁智聰 - 寫稿佬，首次出現在 Music Bus，之後在年青人周報長注數年。現自主
> MBC。他寫稿完全跟潮流，由英國 indie
> 到電子一直跟英國風。他常常扮英國青年，其髮型十分難定。寫稿風格：番查樂隊資料
> (佔文一半)，翻譯外國雜誌，呃人唔識。
>
> 陳錫海 - 又名 Henry
> Chan，仆街一個。專寫自瀆文字，最愛大浪漫、情情愛愛。全文三份二可以和音樂無關，只是他的自瀆物。最愛叫人去
> Mon 記。思想停留在八十年代新浪漫，Japan 信徒。以 Henry Chan
> 筆名毒害港九青少年，當年的 Van ， Scene，
> Way仔慘劇就是他一手做成。自以為香港潮流之父，在Yes等多份雜誌出現，曾出打扮精讀三本。見此肥佬見一鑊打一鑊。
>
> Alan Chan - 又名Mon 記陳雅倫，Mon 記話事人之一。在以前的 Monitor
> 寫稿。自以為另類王，最愛長篇大論大吹水，扮高深。專呃扮另類人仕，又神又鬼又精神分析又法西斯。
>
> 偉 - 又名肥西偉、廚房偉，曾在年青人周報寫下多篇實驗音樂稿，完全無料到。只因
> Sound
> Factory"黑九的"關係聽多少少實驗CD，便自吹自雷，欲做實驗王二號。曾組垃圾工業樂隊
> I666。
>
> 黃志淙 -
> DJ，已將自己神化，有精神病，常幻想可以打救世人。曾組樂隊，但沒有天分，不了了之。雖他影響力不大，但也有一班忠心信徒。而神化一面，理應列入五大惡人。
實在太過鳩興, 在這個只有一班中晒五大傻西文化毒的昂鳩青年的 newsgroup!
見到這番說話! 在下願與兄台一同革命!
vegetable
Bunnyman wrote:
>
> 文化大革命 -- 五大惡人
>
> 袁智聰 - 寫稿佬，首次出現在 Music Bus，之後在年青人周報長注數年。現自主
> MBC。他寫稿完全跟潮流，由英國 indie
> 到電子一直跟英國風。他常常扮英國青年，其髮型十分難定。寫稿風格：番查樂隊資料
> (佔文一半)，翻譯外國雜誌，呃人唔識。
>
> 陳錫海 - 又名 Henry
> Chan，仆街一個。專寫自瀆文字，最愛大浪漫、情情愛愛。全文三份二可以和音樂無關，只是他的自瀆物。最愛叫人去
> Mon 記。思想停留在八十年代新浪漫，Japan 信徒。以 Henry Chan
> 筆名毒害港九青少年，當年的 Van ， Scene，
> Way仔慘劇就是他一手做成。自以為香港潮流之父，在Yes等多份雜誌出現，曾出打扮精讀三本。見此肥佬見一鑊打一鑊。
>
> Alan Chan - 又名Mon 記陳雅倫，Mon 記話事人之一。在以前的 Monitor
> 寫稿。自以為另類王，最愛長篇大論大吹水，扮高深。專呃扮另類人仕，又神又鬼又精神分析又法西斯。
>
> 偉 - 又名肥西偉、廚房偉，曾在年青人周報寫下多篇實驗音樂稿，完全無料到。只因
> Sound
> Factory"黑九的"關係聽多少少實驗CD，便自吹自雷，欲做實驗王二號。曾組垃圾工業樂隊
> I666。
>
> 黃志淙 -
Hi Bunnyman, this is your most excellent article that you've ever made.
Totally agree. I think most of the past readers of Youth's Weekly will
agree with u. When i was much younger, i also followed such Yuen Chi
Chung, Henry Chan and Alan Chan (has he also called the somewhat
..Escalator?)'s recommendations and bought some horrible records. Henry
Chan and Alan Chan kept recommended the Made To Measure Series just
because Monitor have many stock, Henry Chan also always recommended a
band called Band of Holy Joy which was the most horrible record that
i've ever bought. The chef Wai always tried hard to be abnormal, kinda
entertainment, sometimes you can have a laugh.
beginnercainam
hey guys! calm down!! lets step back and think about the strategy of the CULTURE
REVOLUTION!
as you guys said the media poison ppl in hk, lets do something to wake them up!!
let say post your intro. of music that you admire. let us know more in the world.
or print your invaluable articles and spread them out to the crowd whenever there's a gig/show.
there're lotta way to wake us up. (i'm a beinner too)
syntribal wrote:
> Bunnyman wrote:
>
> > 文化大革命 -- 五大惡人
> >
> > 袁智聰 - 寫稿佬，首次出現在 Music Bus，之後在年青人周報長注數年。現自主
> > MBC。他寫稿完全跟潮流，由英國 indie
> > 到電子一直跟英國風。他常常扮英國青年，其髮型十分難定。寫稿風格：番查樂隊資料
> > (佔文一半)，翻譯外國雜誌，呃人唔識。
> >
> > 陳錫海 - 又名 Henry
> > Chan，仆街一個。專寫自瀆文字，最愛大浪漫、情情愛愛。全文三份二可以和音樂無關，只是他的自瀆物。最愛叫人去
> > Mon 記。思想停留在八十年代新浪漫，Japan 信徒。以 Henry Chan
> > 筆名毒害港九青少年，當年的 Van ， Scene，
> > Way仔慘劇就是他一手做成。自以為香港潮流之父，在Yes等多份雜誌出現，曾出打扮精讀三本。見此肥佬見一鑊打一鑊。
> >
> > Alan Chan - 又名Mon 記陳雅倫，Mon 記話事人之一。在以前的 Monitor
> > 寫稿。自以為另類王，最愛長篇大論大吹水，扮高深。專呃扮另類人仕，又神又鬼又精神分析又法西斯。
> >
> > 偉 - 又名肥西偉、廚房偉，曾在年青人周報寫下多篇實驗音樂稿，完全無料到。只因
> > Sound
> > Factory"黑九的"關係聽多少少實驗CD，便自吹自雷，欲做實驗王二號。曾組垃圾工業樂隊
> > I666。
> >
> > 黃志淙 -
Bunnyman
In article <6e1f88$a31$1...@imsp009a.netvigator.com>,
syntribal <"bur...@netvigator.com"@netvigator.com> wrote:
>> 實在太過鳩興, 在這個只有一班中晒五大傻西文化毒的昂鳩青年的 newsgroup!
>> 見到這番說話! 在下願與兄台一同革命!
兄台的話令我十分感動，所以決定再以無敵 mouse 中文回應。
革命就不要了，我要做的是破壞，以現有的系統去破壞那系統本身。Idea 本是
inspired by Xper.Xr 的有關 John Duncan 一文。這班傻西盡信 MBC
嗎？我們便可以用假資訊去作出破壞。其實我已在這 newsgroup
實驗數次，但眾人不明所以罷了。
Please check this page to get this idea.
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~ter/hyper.html
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i am using Apple Macintosh
Falcon S. L. Poon
On Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:36:29 +0100, t...@dircon.co.uk (Bunnyman) wrote:
>Alan Chan - 又名Mon 記陳雅倫，Mon 記話事人之一。在以前的 Monitor
>寫稿。自以為另類王，最愛長篇大論大吹水，扮高深。專呃扮另類人仕，又神又鬼又精神分析又法西斯。
Haven't read anything by him, but anyone is 100% entitled to publish
his theories and hypothesises, no matter how ridiculous -- and BTW did
you ever take his assays with any degree of seriousness? he may just
have a point.
If you think he is misquoting Freud, or got his ideologies all mixed
up, you should specifically point it out. Calling names, like what
you've been doing, is useless.
>黃志淙 -
>DJ，已將自己神化，有精神病，常幻想可以打救世人。
He used to be good, but now have degenerated into another trend
follower, cultivating another kind of idol worshiping. I haven't
listened to his show for a long long time, What's that 打救世人 stuff?
Has he been talking crazy recently?
>曾組樂隊，但沒有天分，不了了之。雖他影響力不大，
The music is not bad at all, I almost brought his album. Yet he is
stupid enough to ruin everything by making political references to the
music -- to me, politics=shit; arts+politics=stupid shit.
F. S. L. Poon <fsl...@hkusua.hku.hk>
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My childhood days bring back sad reflections
Of happy times I spent so long ago,
My boyhood friends and my own relations
Have all passed on now like melting snow.
-- "Carrickfergus", an Irish folk song
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I don't want to be an intellectual, I want to be a scholar.
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Bunnyman
In article <350420...@netvigator.com>,
vegetable <kt...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>>Hi Bunnyman, this is your most excellent article that you've ever made.
>>Totally agree. I think most of the past readers of Youth's Weekly will
>>agree with u. When i was much younger, i also followed such Yuen Chi
>>Chung, Henry Chan and Alan Chan (has he also called the somewhat
>>..Escalator?)'s recommendations and bought some horrible records. Henry
>>Chan and Alan Chan kept recommended the Made To Measure Series just
>>because Monitor have many stock, Henry Chan also always recommended a
>>band called Band of Holy Joy which was the most horrible record that
>>i've ever bought. The chef Wai always tried hard to be abnormal, kinda
>>entertainment, sometimes you can have a laugh.
Vegetable, i am same as you. When i was young i read Youth's Weekly and
trust those 'writers'. i was so suck at that time! If i can live one more
time... (But i still miss Youth's Weekly)
i dare to say i know what they are thinking about, i mean those guy in this
newsgroup, 'cos i just like them when i was young.
This year i knew one new friend, his two words shock me a lot.
'Why all hk one just listen indie or experimental?'
'Why all hk one will like the same bands? Suede, Radiohead, Stone Roses,
Joy Division... for indie, and Current93, Death in June, TG... for
experimental?'
This two words make us discuss and let me think about the situtation in hk
again. A lot of posts after i got fuck(last time, everyone in this group
want to kill me) are the result of these 'Questions'.
May i borrow a words from others. 'If you don't get shock by what i said,
you don't understand it.'
Bunnyman
In article <3501072F...@netvigator.com>,
Panda <viv...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>>Subject: Re: 文化大革命
>>From: Panda <viv...@netvigator.com>
>>Reply-To: viv...@netvigator.com
>>Organization: Panda Ltd
>>Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 16:37:05 +0800
>>Newsgroups: hk.rec.alt-music
'Introduced' , 'new music' , '選擇' .
???
AG
> >>> You may treat 袁智聰 as a translator rather than a writer. I don't
> >>> think he's
> >>> that bad. After all, he has introduced new music/bands to hk people.
> >>> I would say 黃志淙 is a bit subjective and self-indulgent. But that's
> >>> his
> >>> style. He has also introduced new sounds in 'city magazine'. You may
> >>> not
> >>> agree to what he said but some of the music/CDs he recommended are
> >>> really
> >>> quite good.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Im quite agree with u.
> >>
> >>在香港，接触外國音樂的渠道非常少，如果不是去過外國，到現在我可能還停留在郭富城的階段。
>
> 'Introduced' , 'new music' , '選擇' .
遲了觀看, 漏了很多 message, 不過似乎說來說去只有黃志淙 和 袁智聰,
that all?
徐四民
>袁智聰 - 寫稿佬，首次出現在 Music Bus，之後在年青人周報長注數年。現自主
>MBC。他寫稿完全跟潮流，由英國 indie
>到電子一直跟英國風。他常常扮英國青年，其髮型十分難定。寫稿風格：番查樂隊資
料
>(佔文一半)，翻譯外國雜誌，呃人唔識。
>陳錫海 - 又名 Henry
>Chan，仆街一個。專寫自瀆文字，最愛大浪漫、情情愛愛。全文三份二可以和音樂無
關，只是他的自瀆物。最愛叫人去
>Mon 記。思想停留在八十年代新浪漫，Japan 信徒。以 Henry Chan
>筆名毒害港九青少年，當年的 Van ， Scene，
>Way仔慘劇就是他一手做成。自以為香港潮流之父，在Yes等多份雜誌出現，曾出打扮
精讀三本。見此肥佬見一鑊打一鑊。
譯外國雜誌又話人譯外國雜誌
吹水又鬧人o地自瀆
你想點呀
如果 Henry Chan 都值得你見一鑊打一鑊
你成世人起碼打死五千八百四十七個人
徐四民
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
民主是小數的服從多數
但多數的亦要尊重小眾的感受
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
徐四民
>黃志淙 -
>DJ，已將自己神化，有精神病，常幻想可以打救世人。
>曾組樂隊，但沒有天分，不了了之。
－－－相信你都係o甘，o吾係你都o吾洗係度齋 up
>雖他影響力不大，但也有一班忠心信徒。而神化一面，理應列入五大惡人。
－－－黃夏蕙及八兩金亦有 Fans，不足為奇
徐四民
>Hi Bunnyman, this is your most excellent article that you've ever made.
>Totally agree. I think most of the past readers of Youth's Weekly will
>agree with u. When i was much younger, i also followed such Yuen Chi
>Chung, Henry Chan and Alan Chan (has he also called the somewhat
>..Escalator?)'s recommendations and bought some horrible records. Henry
>Chan and Alan Chan kept recommended the Made To Measure Series just
>because Monitor have many stock, Henry Chan also always recommended a
>band called Band of Holy Joy which was the most horrible record that
>i've ever bought. The chef Wai always tried hard to be abnormal, kinda
>entertainment, sometimes you can have a laugh.
人人愛既都會有不同
人地只係推界
你有腦 ga
只然認得係選擇中選擇
你o吾鍾意睇可以o吾睇
徐四民
>'Why all hk one just listen indie or experimental?'
>'Why all hk one will like the same bands? Suede, Radiohead, Stone Roses,
>Joy Division... for indie, and Current93, Death in June, TG... for
>experimental?'
－－－好能簡單，因為我o地係香港
－－－另外，未做調查前，"all hk one"三個字o吾可以講
你，，，強姦了我的喜好！！
徐四民
Bunnyman wrote in message ...
>In article <6e1f88$a31$1...@imsp009a.netvigator.com>,
>syntribal <"bur...@netvigator.com"@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
>>> 實在太過鳩興, 在這個只有一班中晒五大傻西文化毒的昂鳩青年的 newsgroup!
>>> 見到這番說話! 在下願與兄台一同革命!
>
>兄台的話令我十分感動，所以決定再以無敵 mouse 中文回應。
>革命就不要了，我要做的是破壞，以現有的系統去破壞那系統本身。Idea 本是
>inspired by Xper.Xr 的有關 John Duncan 一文。這班傻西盡信 MBC
>嗎？我們便可以用假資訊去作出破壞。其實我已在這 newsgroup
>實驗數次，但眾人不明所以罷了。
>
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你是破壞王, or a hacker ??
定係有破壞,冇建設??
徐四民
beginnercainam wrote in message <350528F8...@ner.net>...
>hey guys! calm down!! lets step back and think about the strategy of the
CULTURE
>REVOLUTION!
>
>as you guys said the media poison ppl in hk, lets do something to wake them
up!!
>let say post your intro. of music that you admire. let us know more in the
world.
>or print your invaluable articles and spread them out to the crowd whenever
there's a gig/show.
>
>there're lotta way to wake us up. (i'm a beinner too)
努力!!加油!!
如果你地係香港
不如搞本音樂特區 Music SAR 同 MCB 對撼
有競爭先至有進步
Hyponic
Totally AGREE......
徐四民 <3...@hkstar.com> wrote in article <6ed0i6$ln...@lyra.hkstar.com>...
> >黃志淙 -
> >DJ，已將自己神化，有精神病，常幻想可以打救世人。
> －－－幻想是世界上最美麗的東西，有精神病的人住在青山或南葵涌
>
> >曾組樂隊，但沒有天分，不了了之。
> －－－相信你都係o甘，o吾係你都o吾洗係度齋 up
>
> >雖他影響力不大，但也有一班忠心信徒。而神化一面，理應列入五大惡人。
> －－－黃夏蕙及八兩金亦有 Fans，不足為奇
>
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超音波
袁生's music comments are total rubblish! What he know is only the Bristish
cheap bands!
超音波
Wong Chi Chun is a suck DJ in HK. What he promote is the cheap cheap Europe
and British "NEW" music. The music is so boring that I would get asleep
when hearing one of his promoted song.
Andy
Can you give some examples?
超音波 wrote in message <01bd533e$94533240$194097d0@edmund>...
超音波
I have listened to his music program in radio about 4 to 5 years ago (at
that time Leung Siu Fai and Chan Fai Hung also in the same station). Yeah,
was the program called 豁達音樂天空? He always claimed himself to promote
good foreign music to Hong Kong. But what he promoted was the British bands
or the New Age Europe music. I am not saying ALL British bands or new age
music are rubblish, but what he promoted to us, I am afraid, were too
narrow and too personal.
I mean if a listener listened to his promotion and thought it was mean by
good foreign music, then many listeners would disappointed. There were many
good music out there, especially US bands, why he only wanted the British
and Europe ones?
Personally, I cannot accept the so call New age or World music. These kinds
of music is not bad, but I think you must have the similar cultural
background of Europeans to listen to them. For example, I am afraid I
should not play 雲南, 西藏 music again and again in my program by saying
that they are the best in the world, right? In fact, the new age music in
Europe just like the 雲南 music, not many people would mainly listen to
them. Unfortunately, many listeners do follow his advice and buy the CDs
and think "this is the best music I can find I the world!" Oh poor!
For British pop music, personally I also don't like very much. I can
remember recently in this news gp, someone voted the guitarist of Suede is
one of the best guitarist! No!!!!!!!!!!!!! Musically, I think there is no
Bristish bands have good musical techniques. But why Mr. Wong played them
again and again?
Falcon S. L. Poon
On 21 Mar 1998 03:27:26 GMT, "超音波" <X...@XXX.com> wrote:
>I have listened to his music program in radio about 4 to 5 years ago (at
>that time Leung Siu Fai and Chan Fai Hung also in the same station). Yeah,
>was the program called 豁達音樂天空? He always claimed himself to promote
>good foreign music to Hong Kong. But what he promoted was the British bands
>or the New Age Europe music. I am not saying ALL British bands or new age
>music are rubblish, but what he promoted to us, I am afraid, were too
>narrow and too personal.
Radio shows are all "narrow" and "personal" to some extent. No radio
show, with its limited time-slot, can present all kinds of music to
its audience. The programmer has to be selective, and that's where
personal taste comes in.
Being selective and "personal" is not necessarily bad. It is far
better for a DJ to focus on a few musical genre that he enjoys and
knows well, than to present everything in a very superificial manner.
I've just listened to an RTHK4 show which ran a "special" for Irish
music -- and I was struck by the shallowness of the presentation, and
the failure of the hosts to present a representative samples of Irish
music.
There is a question about how "personal" a radio show should be. A DJ
that only plays his favourite stuff (like so many have been accousing
黃志淙 for doing) may end up ailenating his audience, but 黃志淙 has
gone to the other extreme lately -- he knows very well about the music
the average HK teenager enjoys. And see what we have in his shows:
endless Suede, endless Radiohead, endless DJ Krush, same songs every
week -- that why I gave up on him.
>I mean if a listener listened to his promotion and thought it was mean by
>good foreign music, then many listeners would disappointed. There were many
>good music out there, especially US bands, why he only wanted the British
>and Europe ones?
No one is foolish enough to think that everything played by 黃志淙 is
automatically good and worth listening to. Everyone judges by his
ears. And to his credit, he did played a lot of Pearl Jam and
Nirvana.
>Personally, I cannot accept the so call New age or World music. These kinds
>of music is not bad, but I think you must have the similar cultural
>background of Europeans to listen to them.
You can usually enjoy this music on its own merits, without knowing
the cultural background (did you research on the sociology and
psychology of American teenagers before listening to Nirvana?). It is
true that, in most cases, learning about the cultural background makes
the listening much more enjoyable -- but the learning can come later.
Many good new-age/world music albums contains very informative and
enlightening linear notes, so you also get an education while you're
enjoying the music.
>For example, I am afraid I should not play 雲南, 西藏 music again and again in my program by
>saying that they are the best in the world, right?
The key word here I think is "playing again and again" -- a thing that
黃志淙 is liable to. I see no problem if he plays this kind of music
once in a while. I don't remember he ever claiming that a certain
kind of music is the "best of the world" -- but even if he did you
don't have to believe in him.
>In fact, the new age music in Europe just like the 雲南 music,
> not many people would mainly listen to them.
I know I'm in the minority...
>Unfortunately, many listeners do follow his advice and buy the CDs
>and think "this is the best music I can find I the world!" Oh poor!
A radio show can hardly mislead -- People listen to the music, like
what they hear, and went out to get the CD . This is a very honest
relationship; unlike musical reviews, which may mislead
F. S. L. Poon <fsl...@hkusua.hku.hk>
-------------------------------------
Find the answers, ask the questions
Find the roots of an ancient tree.
-- "Night Ride Across the Caucasus"
by Loreena McKennitt
KKW
This is the problem of our poor HK media. Not Mr.Wong.
超音波 wrote:
>
> I have listened to his music program in radio about 4 to 5 years ago (at
> that time Leung Siu Fai and Chan Fai Hung also in the same station). Yeah,
> was the program called 豁達音樂天空? He always claimed himself to promote
> good foreign music to Hong Kong. But what he promoted was the British bands
> or the New Age Europe music. I am not saying ALL British bands or new age
> music are rubblish, but what he promoted to us, I am afraid, were too
> narrow and too personal.
>
> I mean if a listener listened to his promotion and thought it was mean by
> good foreign music, then many listeners would disappointed. There were many
> good music out there, especially US bands, why he only wanted the British
> and Europe ones?
>
> Personally, I cannot accept the so call New age or World music. These kinds
> of music is not bad, but I think you must have the similar cultural
> background of Europeans to listen to them. For example, I am afraid I
> should not play 雲南, 西藏 music again and again in my program by saying
> that they are the best in the world, right? In fact, the new age music in
> Europe just like the 雲南 music, not many people would mainly listen to
> them. Unfortunately, many listeners do follow his advice and buy the CDs
> and think "this is the best music I can find I the world!" Oh poor!
>
Bunnyman
In article <3513cf1...@news.hku.hk>,
fsl...@hkusua.hku.hk (Falcon S. L. Poon) wrote:
>>No one is foolish enough to think that everything played by 黃志淙 is
>>automatically good and worth listening to. Everyone judges by his
>>ears.
No, no, no, some people do, some people do...
>>The key word here I think is "playing again and again" -- a thing that
>>黃志淙 is liable to.
Yes, you get the point.
*the music section of my little homepage is updated, feel free to visit
http://www.ter.dircon.co.uk/
超音波
Yes, your ideas are very objective. Thanks for your reply. I agree with
you that he always played the Suede and others Birtish music but less US
music. No matter how good or bad is Suede, I don't think he needed to play
them from day to night, right? As you say, every radio program is short.
So, what a DJ should do is to play more kinds of music (or at least
different bands or singers of the same kind). But what he did was to play
the same kinds and same bands again and again. So, what I listen today is
the same as yesterday. So boring!
I have some different ideas want to share with you here. I have to admit
that all radio program must be "narrow" and "personal" in some extend. But
what I mean is DJ should not do it too far. Giving an example, a DJ may
like a band very much, so he plays this bands song everyday in the whole
year. Although every choice of DJ is personal in some extend, but he is
done too far. Wong's choice of music is this kind. You see the leaders of
band sound in the world is England and US, but why 90% of his choice is
England? Mybe it is OK if he played British music for 70% and 30% for US,
but 9 to 1 is too extreme. So, I say he was too far.
Besides, you said people would not be so fool to follow all the taste of
Wong as they had their own judging power. Well............it is
questionable. Maybe you are saying part of the truth. I studied sociology
in school, which stated that most of our so call "independence" is hardly
to be found. People may say a mature person usually have the independ power
to judge what is right or wrong, good or bad without the influence of
others. However, it is hardly agreed by most sociologists. ALMOST ALL of
our ideas, cultures, values or even taste of music is learned from others
(schools, families, workplaces, peers...) rather than from the "free will"
of ours. Have you heard a sentance "a lies say a hundred times would become
a truth"? That is the meaning. If you born in the environment in which your
friends, families and colleagues just listen to Leon and Aron (e.g. HK)
from the day you born, do you really think that you would listen to RnR
when he grow up (maybe yes, but the chance is small)? In the same way, if
Wong plays Oasis from day to day but no Guns and Roses, do you think a
listener would have better chance to buy Oasis's albums or GNR's albums?
So, it is difficult to say many people have "ears" to choose music on their
own.
Falcon S. L. Poon
On 21 Mar 1998 17:31:43 GMT, "超音波" <X...@XXX.com> wrote:
>As you say, every radio program is short.
>So, what a DJ should do is to play more kinds of music (or at least
>different bands or singers of the same kind). But what he did was to play
>the same kinds and same bands again and again. So, what I listen today is
>the same as yesterday. So boring!
Indeed it is boring. Now that I think about it, there is certainly
some kind of vicious circle going on -- under the ever-so-COMMERCIAL
CR2 system, 黃志淙 plays the kind of music that he think teenagers
would love. His audience like what they hear and demands more music
of the same kind, so he plays the same stuff over and over again.
Simple positive feedback, and that's what we end up with now.
>I have some different ideas want to share with you here. I have to admit
>that all radio program must be "narrow" and "personal" in some extend. But
>what I mean is DJ should not do it too far. Giving an example, a DJ may
>like a band very much, so he plays this bands song everyday in the whole
>year. Although every choice of DJ is personal in some extend, but he is
>done too far. Wong's choice of music is this kind. You see the leaders of
>band sound in the world is England and US, but why 90% of his choice is
>England? Mybe it is OK if he played British music for 70% and 30% for US,
>but 9 to 1 is too extreme. So, I say he was too far.
9 to 1 is an exaggaration, but he certainly is biased with his
choices, and the aforementioned "positive feedback" further narrow
down his choices.
>Besides, you said people would not be so fool to follow all the taste of
>Wong as they had their own judging power. Well............it is
>questionable. Maybe you are saying part of the truth. I studied sociology
>in school, which stated that most of our so call "independence" is hardly
>to be found.
You're certainly right. What I was thinking was that if someone have
actually listened to the music, he would have made a judgement as to
whether he likes it or not. But I may have given people more credit
than they deserve.
The target age-group of CR2 is said to be between 8-25. This is a
group of people who, in general, is 1) impressionable, 2) has no
definate musical tastes of their own and 3) rejects "traditional"
authorative figures, yet seeks and identifies with other authorative
figures ("idols") 4) prone to peer influences. (BTW I think it is
criminal for CR2 to push credit cards on these people -- most of them
haven't even started working). Among these youngsters, there is
certainly someone, with the mentality of a Leon Lai fan, who treats
黃志淙 as some kind of authorative musical know-it-all, went out to
get all the CD he recommend, and then tell their friends "see I've got
all these great music 黃志淙 plays in his show"...
>People may say a mature person usually have the independ power
>to judge what is right or wrong, good or bad without the influence of
>others. However, it is hardly agreed by most sociologists. ALMOST ALL of
>our ideas, cultures, values or even taste of music is learned from others
>(schools, families, workplaces, peers...) rather than from the "free will"
>of ours.
Of course a person's musical taste has to come from somewhere. Having
listened to his show in my earlier days, 黃志淙 certainly influenced
my musical preferences. It is perfectly OK. But it would be very
unhealthy if a person's musical taste is domineered by that of a one
or two DJs and reviewers.
>Have you heard a sentance "a lies say a hundred times would become
>a truth"?
Ha, this happen to be one of my pet phase -- but as far as musical
judgement is concerned I don't think there is such thing as lies. You
may be disgusted by the music someone else raves about, but it does
not mean that he is lying.
>Wong plays Oasis from day to day but no Guns and Roses, do you think a
>listener would have better chance to buy Oasis's albums or GNR's albums?
>So, it is difficult to say many people have "ears" to choose music on their
>own.
Definately. Most people won't go out to seek out things they haven't
heard. You may say this is a compelling reason for 黃志淙 to bring
out a wider variety of music, so as to give people more choices. But
remember: he works for CR2, and he is driven to generate as much
revenue for his station as he can ( I may be cynical about that, feel
free to argue). So if his audience likes Oasis, if Sony offers
"benefits" to CR2 if their DJs "plug" Oasis, there is very little
reason to change.
*****
A lot of discontentment about 黃志淙, MCB or Monitor, I notice, boils
down to the question of EXPECTATION. People expect these to be
completely objective, authorative and all-encompassing guides to
music. So when they turned out to be otherwise, they get
disillusioned.
We all know that objectivity does not exist in music (those who don't
will eventually find out), but why someone would expect a flimsy
megazine, or a weekly radio show to satisfy all their musical needs?
I hate people automatically blaming all the shortcomings of our
younger people on the local education system. But I can see an
analogy in this case. I would call it The 會考天書 Hypothesis for the
time being.
Every teacher would agree that these little pocket books may help in
the examation, but you won't even get a reasonable idea about the
subject if you just study these booklets -- yet these booklets
outsells textbooks ( I've had quite a sizable collection in my
days...), and students treated them like the bible.
The same for MCB. You honestly wouldn't expectly a 32-page megazine
to cover everything, yet our youngsters treat them as if they do,
becuase they are so used to the format of 會考天書 -- condensed,
writtened by so-called "star teachers", emphasising only "the
syllabus" and saying nothing beyond. The same is for 黃志淙's shows.
My advice is, as always, if you like a subject -- music in this case,
you should make an effort to find out more about it.
F. S. L. Poon <fsl...@hkusua.hku.hk>
-------------------------------------
Suddenly I knew that you'd have to go
My world is not yours, your eyes told me so.
Yet it was there I felt
the crossroad of time
...and I wonder why
-- "The Old Ways"
by Loreena McKennitt
-------------------------------------
I don't want to be an intellectual, I want to be a scholar
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星洲炒米
Bunnyman 撰寫於文章 ...
>In article <3513cf1...@news.hku.hk>,
>fsl...@hkusua.hku.hk (Falcon S. L. Poon) wrote:
>
>>>No one is foolish enough to think that everything played by 黃志淙 is
>>>automatically good and worth listening to. Everyone judges by his
>>>ears.
>
>No, no, no, some people do, some people do...
>
>>>The key word here I think is "playing again and again" -- a thing that
>>>黃志淙 is liable to.
>
>Yes, you get the point.
>
因為他想把自己的心頭好灌入大眾的腦袋裏。
其實，每個 DJ 都是這樣，但他做得太明顯。我不喜歡他。
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Andy
I seldom listen to the radio. But judging from his articles "new sounds" in
the "city magazine" a couple of years ago. His recommendations are not bad.
May I list a few artists as examples:
Jan Garbarek
Loreena McKennitt
Natacha Atlas
Ryuichi Sakamoto
Jah Wobble's invaders of the heart
Madredeus
Michael Nyman
Roger Eno
Kate St John
Zbigniew Preisner, etc.
p.s. Of course, not ALL albums by these artists are good.
超音波 wrote in message <01bd5478$d9dba0a0$c44397d0@edmund>...
超音波
多謝你D介紹, Andy. 但恕我眼淺, 你所推介的我完全未聽過,
皆因真系聽慣左D美國野.
講起樂評, 話時話都係鐘意音樂一週, 左永然其實先系我老師.