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This was not discussed at all during the meeting -- the idea of where to change the borders really wasn't discusssed in any detail at all. It was more of a "whether" to change the borders and how this would affect Montclair specifically; all of the hills schools are being affected by this problem, but practically speaking, Montclair's campus would theoretically be able to handle more incoming students if more buildings were constructed there -- this is the discussion that needs to go before the Montclair community (which has been very generous in taking extra kids with WAY over-filled kindergarten classrooms).
Katrina
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TOPIC: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
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Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 4:09 pm
From: "Hervey, Andy (US)"
And does anyone know if they resolved whether border streets will continue to be split down the middle (one side in, one side out)?
Andy Hervey
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Sent: Fri Nov 07 17:45:52 2008
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I can't seem to open it now either. If you can find the handout for the
cancelled October 3, 2008 meeting or the boundary suggested back in
December 2007, I believe that they are all the same proposed re-drawn
boundary.
In the event that you are uanble to locate any version of the proposed
boundary then this is how I would describe it: if Highway 13 is north,
Moraga is east, Clarewood Drive is south and Acacia is west, the new
western boundary is Broadway Terrace, the north boundary is Highway 13,
the eastern boundary runs from Sheridan to Harbord to Hilltop, and the
southern boundary is Clarewood Drive. The families on the western side
that were previously a part of the Hillcrest boundary would now be a
part of Chabot and the families on the eastern side of the Hillcrest
boundary would now be a part of Montclair and possibly Kaiser.
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From: Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:28 PM
To: 'hillcres...@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I will do my best.
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[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:27 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
For some reason I am unable to download it from the website. Not sure
if anyone else is having this difficulty. Could you do the immense
favor of forwarding to the group?
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From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
The proposed boundary is the one that is currently proposed in Scenario
C, which is page 6 of the powerpoint presentation for today's meeting,
which is attached to the agenda for today at the OUSD website.
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From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:07 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
Thanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
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From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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TOPIC: Fwd: 9 new messages in 2 topics - digest
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Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 3:05 pm
From: katri...@comcast.net
I'm not sure that the idea of redrawing the boundaries ("Proposal D") was based on the old boundary re-districting maps that were provided on the OUSD website. Rather, the proposal (made rather "spontaneously" at the meeting, without any accompanying diagrams) was to send the northern areas (e.g. Sheridan Rd area -- though not specific) toward Montclair. It was not a defined nor natural geographic boundary, and was definitely not on the map the way the demographer had previously proposed the boundary (because the demographer stated at the meeting that she wasn't sure this new proposal would make much of a difference) -- I think this may have been before you arrived, Rhonda. In any case, the gist of your message was correct, -- i.e. trying to keep Hillcrest K-8, and finagling the boundaries to send more kids to Montclair -- though more specific meetings with the Montclair community need to happen for sure.
Katrina Saba
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Hillcrest Pre-K's
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Today's topics:
* overcrowding issue - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks/browse_thread/thread/b953f9a46f956447?hl=en
* SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008 - 8 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks/browse_thread/thread/bb9a58b782690828?hl=en
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TOPIC: overcrowding issue
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Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 5:27 pm
From: Daniel Lecocq
Never mind...I'm reading more clearly what you wrote below.C.Subject: overcrowding issueDate: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:59:05 -0800From: Wendy...@hpmg.comTo: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
All,
Below is an email conversation with one of the members of
the group that we thought might be useful to share with everyone…..
Best,
Wendy
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From:
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008
2:44 PM
To: Wendy Chow;
lawrence...@ca.com
Cc: rho...@berryandberry.com
Subject: RE: Pre-K forum on
http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks
Wendy,
Thank you for the explanation. It's exactly as I thought.
I feel it's extremely important that this be shared with the rest of the google
group.
Clearly some people are not understanding it. The way in which
you spell it out can make a rational
person see that getting rid of a wonderful middle school will not allow more
children
into kindergarten classes OR solve the enrollment problem.
As I read the comments, I'm hearing people think that we need to get rid
of the MS in order
to make more room for all the pre-K children when that's not the case.
There are some
very angry MS parents that think that the MS has to go away because space must
made for all the pre-K people.
OR am I missing
ANOTHER angle in WHY we need to get rid of the MS?????
I thank you all for your responses and helping me understand all of the
dimensions of the situation.
I also thank you for your dedicated work in trying to resolve this very
difficult situation.
Subject: RE: Pre-K forum on http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:12:37 -0800
From: Wendy...@hpmg.com
To: Lawrence...@ca.com; dol...@hotmail.com
CC: rho...@berryandberry.com
With respect to how much space closing the
middle school will free up, we can look at the District’s own numbers in
the slides they have proposed. The table in Scenario C shows how many
kids will progress to each class without the middle school. You can see
that even without the middle school, they only allow 50 kids per kindergarten
class (as compared to the 42 that were let in last year). The issue is
that the middle school only uses 2 full classrooms right now. There is a
third room that is used as a science lab, which wouldn’t be big enough to
be used to house a full class and that I don’t believe meets the
requirements of a “classroom”. Given that you have 6 grades
(K-5), the only thing eliminating the middle school does is allow 2 rooms that
could be used for split classes. Obviously, you couldn’t add, say,
20 more kindergarten students each year because as those students matriculate,
you’d have to add new classrooms for each grade they progress to,
eventually leading to a need for 6 new classrooms. There is not physical
capacity for 6 new rooms. Therefore, you can only add as many new
kindergarteners that you could manage to put in a split class each year to fill
the extra 2 rooms. That means your kids would likely be in some kind of
split class for most of his/her time at the school.
Wendy
From: Busansky,
Lawrence S [mailto:Lawrence...@ca.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008
10:44 AM
To:
Cc: rho...@berryandberry.com;
Wendy Chow
Subject: RE: Pre-K forum on
http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks
I do recall a comment on the chat board,
that this is how it’s done in London,
if that’s what you’re referring to. I don’t believe distance
from the schools has been the defining factor in figuring attendance at
Hillcrest, as that would imply that the boundary line is a circle or pretty
close to it. I don’t know that rules that govern boundary lines, but
ranking eligibility purely by distance to the school is certainly a way of
thinking about the problem, to me a very rational and reasonable one – I
just don’t know enough about the alternate ways to do this and the
arguments for or against.
I also don’t understand why some
people claim that eliminating the 6-8 at Hillcrest won’t free up space
for K-5’s. Whether it’s a good or bad idea, I don’t see why
it wouldn’t create space for more K-5’s. For me the issue is
whether it makes sense to change a model that works very very well for
Hillcrest, in a district where models that work are in scarce supply.
I’m inclined to take an ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t
fix it’ view of this question, which is a broadly ‘strategic’
view. I don’t know enough about the details of class sizes, how they
would be affected, how they could be configured to add K-5 classes and increase
the number of Kindergarten kids who could be accepted each year, etc. to
strongly advocate on tactical grounds…
Rhonda, Wendy – any thoughts to add?
Lawrence
From:
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008
10:31 AM
To: Busansky, Lawrence S
Cc: rho...@berryandberry.com;
wendy...@hpmg.com
Subject: RE: Pre-K forum on
http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks
Dear Lawrence, Rhonda and
Wendy,
I am curious to know if the distance a house is from the school has ever
been a defining factor in
figuring out attendance at Hillcrest? One parent brought this up in their
commentary on the
message board but I have never seen it addressed since or
ever. (Josh Hannah).
Since everyone else has put forth their opinions based mainly own their own motivations,
I feel it's appropriate for me to ask this since we live just ONE block from
the school.
(We have 2 pre-K children)
If the boundary is going to change why not have the distance of the house to
the school
also be a factor? Wouldn't that go hand and hand?
Also, I'm terrible confused on another point. It seems
a majority of people want to get rid of the middle school at
Hillcrest in order to have more space for the kindergarten classes.
However, is it factual that this
would allow more space? I'm confused about why they saying to get rid of
it when it's been
said it wouldn't allow for more space for the kindergarten classes.
Thank you in advance for your response.
Subject: Pre-K forum on http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:58:54 -0400
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CC: rho...@berryandberry.com; Wendy...@hpmg.com
Pre-K group members –
This is a quick note to urge you all to provide us your
thoughts re: options to alleviate overcrowding at Hillcrest
·
We’ve posted a lot of information in the last week but have not
seen any discussion – we need your input
·
I am wondering if many of you have not seen these communications due to
spam blockers or other email filters…
·
This email is being sent from a different email account in the hopes
that if that’s the case, you’ll get this one….
If you did not receive any emails from the google group over
the last week, please respond to this email (please use reply, not reply
all) and provide me an alternate email address I can add you under, or set your
spam filters to accept email from the group. Also go to http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks,
read the latest strings, and give us your thoughts.
If you did receive emails from the google group, please do
respond.
The Pre-K reps to the LRPC (and the hosts of this site) can
certainly act on our own behalf, based on what we personally think about this
situation. But to adequately represent the pre-K community to the LRPC we need
to know what you think and have the opportunity for discussion. We will
certainly be more able to push for the policies we want with force of numbers
than individually.
Best,
Lawrence Busansky
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TOPIC: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks/browse_thread/thread/bb9a58b782690828?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 1:47 pm
From: "Rhonda Woo"
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 2:07 pm
From: "Hervey, Andy (US)"
Thanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com [mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 2:41 pm
From: "Rhonda Woo"
The proposed boundary is the one that is currently proposed in Scenario
C, which is page 6 of the powerpoint presentation for today's meeting,
which is attached to the agenda for today at the OUSD website.
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From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:07 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
Thanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 3:27 pm
From: "Hervey, Andy (US)"
For some reason I am unable to download it from the website. Not sure if anyone else is having this difficulty. Could you do the immense favor of forwarding to the group?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com [mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
The proposed boundary is the one that is currently proposed in Scenario
C, which is page 6 of the powerpoint presentation for today's meeting,
which is attached to the agenda for today at the OUSD website.
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:07 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
Thanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 3:28 pm
From: "Rhonda Woo"
I will do my best.
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From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:27 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
For some reason I am unable to download it from the website. Not sure
if anyone else is having this difficulty. Could you do the immense
favor of forwarding to the group?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
The proposed boundary is the one that is currently proposed in Scenario
C, which is page 6 of the powerpoint presentation for today's meeting,
which is attached to the agenda for today at the OUSD website.
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:07 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
Thanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 3:45 pm
From: "Rhonda Woo"
I can't seem to open it now either. If you can find the handout for the
cancelled October 3, 2008 meeting or the boundary suggested back in
December 2007, I believe that they are all the same proposed re-drawn
boundary.
In the event that you are uanble to locate any version of the proposed
boundary then this is how I would describe it: if Highway 13 is north,
Moraga is east, Clarewood Drive is south and Acacia is west, the new
western boundary is Broadway Terrace, the north boundary is Highway 13,
the eastern boundary runs from Sheridan to Harbord to Hilltop, and the
southern boundary is Clarewood Drive. The families on the western side
that were previously a part of the Hillcrest boundary would now be a
part of Chabot and the families on the eastern side of the Hillcrest
boundary would now be a part of Montclair and possibly Kaiser.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:28 PM
To: 'hillcres...@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I will do my best.
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:27 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
For some reason I am unable to download it from the website. Not sure
if anyone else is having this difficulty. Could you do the immense
favor of forwarding to the group?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
The proposed boundary is the one that is currently proposed in Scenario
C, which is page 6 of the powerpoint presentation for today's meeting,
which is attached to the agenda for today at the OUSD website.
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:07 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
Thanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 3:57 pm
From: b...@aol.com
Here's the original one from Hillcrest website
http://hillcrestpta.org/news/enroll/BoundaryMap12-07-07.pdf
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From: Rhonda Woo <Rho...@BerryAndBerry.com>
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 3:45 pm
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
can't seem to open it now either. If you can find the handout for the
ancelled October 3, 2008 meeting or the boundary suggested back in
ecember 2007, I believe that they are all the same proposed re-drawn
oundary.
In the event that you are uanble to locate any version of the proposed
oundary then this is how I would describe it: if Highway 13 is north,
oraga is east, Clarewood Drive is south and Acacia is west, the new
estern boundary is Broadway Terrace, the north boundary is Highway 13,
he eastern boundary runs from Sheridan to Harbord to Hilltop, and the
outhern boundary is Clarewood Drive. The families on the western side
hat were previously a part of the Hillcrest boundary would now be a
art of Chabot and the families on the eastern side of the Hillcrest
oundary would now be a part of Montclair and possibly Kaiser.
----Original Message-----
rom: Rhonda Woo
ent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:28 PM
o: 'hillcres...@googlegroups.com'
ubject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I will do my best.
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rom: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
US)
ent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:27 PM
o: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
ubject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
or some reason I am unable to download it from the website. Not sure
f anyone else is having this difficulty. Could you do the immense
avor of forwarding to the group?
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rom: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
ent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM
o: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
ubject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
he proposed boundary is the one that is currently proposed in Scenario
, which is page 6 of the powerpoint presentation for today's meeting,
hich is attached to the agenda for today at the OUSD website.
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rom: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
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US)
ent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:07 PM
o: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
ubject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
hanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
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rom: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
ent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
o: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
ubject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
ddition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
eeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
onduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
cenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
cenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
oundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
ncrease capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
amilies from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
he boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
nd there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
USD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
etween Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
f the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
he game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
nd Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
how. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
aw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
esolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
habot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
he principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
roblem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
illcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
amilies would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
ontclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
hese parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
hey would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
reviously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
habot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
e-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
f the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
hould be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
f satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
rom Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
hat physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
ncreased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
chools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
ills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
eeds to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
ossible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
ccepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
edraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
ill attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
he Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
dvise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
onclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
ill reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
ve.
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== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 4:09 pm
From: "Hervey, Andy (US)"
And does anyone know if they resolved whether border streets will continue to be split down the middle (one side in, one side out)?
Andy Hervey
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From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com <hillcres...@googlegroups.com>
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com <hillcres...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri Nov 07 17:45:52 2008
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I can't seem to open it now either. If you can find the handout for the
cancelled October 3, 2008 meeting or the boundary suggested back in
December 2007, I believe that they are all the same proposed re-drawn
boundary.
In the event that you are uanble to locate any version of the proposed
boundary then this is how I would describe it: if Highway 13 is north,
Moraga is east, Clarewood Drive is south and Acacia is west, the new
western boundary is Broadway Terrace, the north boundary is Highway 13,
the eastern boundary runs from Sheridan to Harbord to Hilltop, and the
southern boundary is Clarewood Drive. The families on the western side
that were previously a part of the Hillcrest boundary would now be a
part of Chabot and the families on the eastern side of the Hillcrest
boundary would now be a part of Montclair and possibly Kaiser.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:28 PM
To: 'hillcres...@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I will do my best.
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:27 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
For some reason I am unable to download it from the website. Not sure
if anyone else is having this difficulty. Could you do the immense
favor of forwarding to the group?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
The proposed boundary is the one that is currently proposed in Scenario
C, which is page 6 of the powerpoint presentation for today's meeting,
which is attached to the agenda for today at the OUSD website.
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:07 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
Thanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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TOPIC: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
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Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 4:09 pm
From: "Hervey, Andy (US)"
And does anyone know if they resolved whether border streets will continue to be split down the middle (one side in, one side out)?
Andy Hervey
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Sent: Fri Nov 07 17:45:52 2008
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I can't seem to open it now either. If you can find the handout for the
cancelled October 3, 2008 meeting or the boundary suggested back in
December 2007, I believe that they are all the same proposed re-drawn
boundary.
In the event that you are uanble to locate any version of the proposed
boundary then this is how I would describe it: if Highway 13 is north,
Moraga is east, Clarewood Drive is south and Acacia is west, the new
western boundary is Broadway Terrace, the north boundary is Highway 13,
the eastern boundary runs from Sheridan to Harbord to Hilltop, and the
southern boundary is Clarewood Drive. The families on the western side
that were previously a part of the Hillcrest boundary would now be a
part of Chabot and the families on the eastern side of the Hillcrest
boundary would now be a part of Montclair and possibly Kaiser.
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From: Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:28 PM
To: 'hillcres...@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I will do my best.
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[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
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Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:27 PM
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Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
For some reason I am unable to download it from the website. Not sure
if anyone else is having this difficulty. Could you do the immense
favor of forwarding to the group?
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[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM
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Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
The proposed boundary is the one that is currently proposed in Scenario
C, which is page 6 of the powerpoint presentation for today's meeting,
which is attached to the agenda for today at the OUSD website.
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[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
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Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:07 PM
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Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
Thanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
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[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 3:05 pm
From: katri...@comcast.net
I'm not sure that the idea of redrawing the boundaries ("Proposal D") was based on the old boundary re-districting maps that were provided on the OUSD website. Rather, the proposal (made rather "spontaneously" at the meeting, without any accompanying diagrams) was to send the northern areas (e.g. Sheridan Rd area -- though not specific) toward Montclair. It was not a defined nor natural geographic boundary, and was definitely not on the map the way the demographer had previously proposed the boundary (because the demographer stated at the meeting that she wasn't sure this new proposal would make much of a difference) -- I think this may have been before you arrived, Rhonda. In any case, the gist of your message was correct, -- i.e. trying to keep Hillcrest K-8, and finagling the boundaries to send more kids to Montclair -- though more specific meetings with the Montclair community need to happen for sure.
Katrina Saba
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TOPIC: overcrowding issue
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Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 5:27 pm
From: Daniel Lecocq
Never mind...I'm reading more clearly what you wrote below.C.Subject: overcrowding issueDate: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:59:05 -0800From: Wendy...@hpmg.comTo: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
All,
Below is an email conversation with one of the members of
the group that we thought might be useful to share with everyone…..
Best,
Wendy
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From:
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2:44 PM
To: Wendy Chow;
lawrence...@ca.com
Cc: rho...@berryandberry.com
Subject: RE: Pre-K forum on
http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks
Wendy,
Thank you for the explanation. It's exactly as I thought.
I feel it's extremely important that this be shared with the rest of the google
group.
Clearly some people are not understanding it. The way in which
you spell it out can make a rational
person see that getting rid of a wonderful middle school will not allow more
children
into kindergarten classes OR solve the enrollment problem.
As I read the comments, I'm hearing people think that we need to get rid
of the MS in order
to make more room for all the pre-K children when that's not the case.
There are some
very angry MS parents that think that the MS has to go away because space must
made for all the pre-K people.
OR am I missing
ANOTHER angle in WHY we need to get rid of the MS?????
I thank you all for your responses and helping me understand all of the
dimensions of the situation.
I also thank you for your dedicated work in trying to resolve this very
difficult situation.
Subject: RE: Pre-K forum on http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:12:37 -0800
From: Wendy...@hpmg.com
To: Lawrence...@ca.com; dol...@hotmail.com
CC: rho...@berryandberry.com
With respect to how much space closing the
middle school will free up, we can look at the District’s own numbers in
the slides they have proposed. The table in Scenario C shows how many
kids will progress to each class without the middle school. You can see
that even without the middle school, they only allow 50 kids per kindergarten
class (as compared to the 42 that were let in last year). The issue is
that the middle school only uses 2 full classrooms right now. There is a
third room that is used as a science lab, which wouldn’t be big enough to
be used to house a full class and that I don’t believe meets the
requirements of a “classroom”. Given that you have 6 grades
(K-5), the only thing eliminating the middle school does is allow 2 rooms that
could be used for split classes. Obviously, you couldn’t add, say,
20 more kindergarten students each year because as those students matriculate,
you’d have to add new classrooms for each grade they progress to,
eventually leading to a need for 6 new classrooms. There is not physical
capacity for 6 new rooms. Therefore, you can only add as many new
kindergarteners that you could manage to put in a split class each year to fill
the extra 2 rooms. That means your kids would likely be in some kind of
split class for most of his/her time at the school.
Wendy
From: Busansky,
Lawrence S [mailto:Lawrence...@ca.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008
10:44 AM
To:
Cc: rho...@berryandberry.com;
Wendy Chow
Subject: RE: Pre-K forum on
http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks
I do recall a comment on the chat board,
that this is how it’s done in London,
if that’s what you’re referring to. I don’t believe distance
from the schools has been the defining factor in figuring attendance at
Hillcrest, as that would imply that the boundary line is a circle or pretty
close to it. I don’t know that rules that govern boundary lines, but
ranking eligibility purely by distance to the school is certainly a way of
thinking about the problem, to me a very rational and reasonable one – I
just don’t know enough about the alternate ways to do this and the
arguments for or against.
I also don’t understand why some
people claim that eliminating the 6-8 at Hillcrest won’t free up space
for K-5’s. Whether it’s a good or bad idea, I don’t see why
it wouldn’t create space for more K-5’s. For me the issue is
whether it makes sense to change a model that works very very well for
Hillcrest, in a district where models that work are in scarce supply.
I’m inclined to take an ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t
fix it’ view of this question, which is a broadly ‘strategic’
view. I don’t know enough about the details of class sizes, how they
would be affected, how they could be configured to add K-5 classes and increase
the number of Kindergarten kids who could be accepted each year, etc. to
strongly advocate on tactical grounds…
Rhonda, Wendy – any thoughts to add?
Lawrence
From:
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10:31 AM
To: Busansky, Lawrence S
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wendy...@hpmg.com
Subject: RE: Pre-K forum on
http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks
Dear Lawrence, Rhonda and
Wendy,
I am curious to know if the distance a house is from the school has ever
been a defining factor in
figuring out attendance at Hillcrest? One parent brought this up in their
commentary on the
message board but I have never seen it addressed since or
ever. (Josh Hannah).
Since everyone else has put forth their opinions based mainly own their own motivations,
I feel it's appropriate for me to ask this since we live just ONE block from
the school.
(We have 2 pre-K children)
If the boundary is going to change why not have the distance of the house to
the school
also be a factor? Wouldn't that go hand and hand?
Also, I'm terrible confused on another point. It seems
a majority of people want to get rid of the middle school at
Hillcrest in order to have more space for the kindergarten classes.
However, is it factual that this
would allow more space? I'm confused about why they saying to get rid of
it when it's been
said it wouldn't allow for more space for the kindergarten classes.
Thank you in advance for your response.
Subject: Pre-K forum on http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:58:54 -0400
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Pre-K group members –
This is a quick note to urge you all to provide us your
thoughts re: options to alleviate overcrowding at Hillcrest
·
We’ve posted a lot of information in the last week but have not
seen any discussion – we need your input
·
I am wondering if many of you have not seen these communications due to
spam blockers or other email filters…
·
This email is being sent from a different email account in the hopes
that if that’s the case, you’ll get this one….
If you did not receive any emails from the google group over
the last week, please respond to this email (please use reply, not reply
all) and provide me an alternate email address I can add you under, or set your
spam filters to accept email from the group. Also go to http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks,
read the latest strings, and give us your thoughts.
If you did receive emails from the google group, please do
respond.
The Pre-K reps to the LRPC (and the hosts of this site) can
certainly act on our own behalf, based on what we personally think about this
situation. But to adequately represent the pre-K community to the LRPC we need
to know what you think and have the opportunity for discussion. We will
certainly be more able to push for the policies we want with force of numbers
than individually.
Best,
Lawrence Busansky
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TOPIC: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/hillcrest-pre-ks/browse_thread/thread/bb9a58b782690828?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 1:47 pm
From: "Rhonda Woo"
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 2:07 pm
From: "Hervey, Andy (US)"
Thanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
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From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com [mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 2:41 pm
From: "Rhonda Woo"
The proposed boundary is the one that is currently proposed in Scenario
C, which is page 6 of the powerpoint presentation for today's meeting,
which is attached to the agenda for today at the OUSD website.
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From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:07 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
Thanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 3:27 pm
From: "Hervey, Andy (US)"
For some reason I am unable to download it from the website. Not sure if anyone else is having this difficulty. Could you do the immense favor of forwarding to the group?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com [mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
The proposed boundary is the one that is currently proposed in Scenario
C, which is page 6 of the powerpoint presentation for today's meeting,
which is attached to the agenda for today at the OUSD website.
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:07 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
Thanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 3:28 pm
From: "Rhonda Woo"
I will do my best.
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:27 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
For some reason I am unable to download it from the website. Not sure
if anyone else is having this difficulty. Could you do the immense
favor of forwarding to the group?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
The proposed boundary is the one that is currently proposed in Scenario
C, which is page 6 of the powerpoint presentation for today's meeting,
which is attached to the agenda for today at the OUSD website.
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:07 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
Thanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 3:45 pm
From: "Rhonda Woo"
I can't seem to open it now either. If you can find the handout for the
cancelled October 3, 2008 meeting or the boundary suggested back in
December 2007, I believe that they are all the same proposed re-drawn
boundary.
In the event that you are uanble to locate any version of the proposed
boundary then this is how I would describe it: if Highway 13 is north,
Moraga is east, Clarewood Drive is south and Acacia is west, the new
western boundary is Broadway Terrace, the north boundary is Highway 13,
the eastern boundary runs from Sheridan to Harbord to Hilltop, and the
southern boundary is Clarewood Drive. The families on the western side
that were previously a part of the Hillcrest boundary would now be a
part of Chabot and the families on the eastern side of the Hillcrest
boundary would now be a part of Montclair and possibly Kaiser.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:28 PM
To: 'hillcres...@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I will do my best.
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From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:27 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
For some reason I am unable to download it from the website. Not sure
if anyone else is having this difficulty. Could you do the immense
favor of forwarding to the group?
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From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
The proposed boundary is the one that is currently proposed in Scenario
C, which is page 6 of the powerpoint presentation for today's meeting,
which is attached to the agenda for today at the OUSD website.
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(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:07 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
Thanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
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From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 3:57 pm
From: b...@aol.com
Here's the original one from Hillcrest website
http://hillcrestpta.org/news/enroll/BoundaryMap12-07-07.pdf
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhonda Woo <Rho...@BerryAndBerry.com>
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 3:45 pm
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
can't seem to open it now either. If you can find the handout for the
ancelled October 3, 2008 meeting or the boundary suggested back in
ecember 2007, I believe that they are all the same proposed re-drawn
oundary.
In the event that you are uanble to locate any version of the proposed
oundary then this is how I would describe it: if Highway 13 is north,
oraga is east, Clarewood Drive is south and Acacia is west, the new
estern boundary is Broadway Terrace, the north boundary is Highway 13,
he eastern boundary runs from Sheridan to Harbord to Hilltop, and the
outhern boundary is Clarewood Drive. The families on the western side
hat were previously a part of the Hillcrest boundary would now be a
art of Chabot and the families on the eastern side of the Hillcrest
oundary would now be a part of Montclair and possibly Kaiser.
----Original Message-----
rom: Rhonda Woo
ent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:28 PM
o: 'hillcres...@googlegroups.com'
ubject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I will do my best.
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rom: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
US)
ent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:27 PM
o: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
ubject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
or some reason I am unable to download it from the website. Not sure
f anyone else is having this difficulty. Could you do the immense
avor of forwarding to the group?
----Original Message-----
rom: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
ent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM
o: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
ubject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
he proposed boundary is the one that is currently proposed in Scenario
, which is page 6 of the powerpoint presentation for today's meeting,
hich is attached to the agenda for today at the OUSD website.
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rom: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
US)
ent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:07 PM
o: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
ubject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
hanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
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rom: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
ent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
o: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
ubject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
ddition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
eeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
onduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
cenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
cenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
oundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
ncrease capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
amilies from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
he boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
nd there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
USD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
etween Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
f the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
he game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
nd Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
how. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
aw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
esolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
habot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
he principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
roblem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
illcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
amilies would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
ontclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
hese parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
hey would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
reviously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
habot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
e-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
f the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
hould be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
f satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
rom Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
hat physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
ncreased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
chools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
ills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
eeds to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
ossible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
ccepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
edraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
ill attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
he Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
dvise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
onclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
ill reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
ve.
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== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 4:09 pm
From: "Hervey, Andy (US)"
And does anyone know if they resolved whether border streets will continue to be split down the middle (one side in, one side out)?
Andy Hervey
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From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com <hillcres...@googlegroups.com>
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com <hillcres...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri Nov 07 17:45:52 2008
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I can't seem to open it now either. If you can find the handout for the
cancelled October 3, 2008 meeting or the boundary suggested back in
December 2007, I believe that they are all the same proposed re-drawn
boundary.
In the event that you are uanble to locate any version of the proposed
boundary then this is how I would describe it: if Highway 13 is north,
Moraga is east, Clarewood Drive is south and Acacia is west, the new
western boundary is Broadway Terrace, the north boundary is Highway 13,
the eastern boundary runs from Sheridan to Harbord to Hilltop, and the
southern boundary is Clarewood Drive. The families on the western side
that were previously a part of the Hillcrest boundary would now be a
part of Chabot and the families on the eastern side of the Hillcrest
boundary would now be a part of Montclair and possibly Kaiser.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:28 PM
To: 'hillcres...@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I will do my best.
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:27 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
For some reason I am unable to download it from the website. Not sure
if anyone else is having this difficulty. Could you do the immense
favor of forwarding to the group?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
The proposed boundary is the one that is currently proposed in Scenario
C, which is page 6 of the powerpoint presentation for today's meeting,
which is attached to the agenda for today at the OUSD website.
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hervey, Andy
(US)
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:07 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
Thanks for the update. Is there a map of the proposed re-draw?
-----Original Message-----
From: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:hillcres...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Woo
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:47 PM
To: hillcres...@googlegroups.com
Subject: SAAB Meeting November 7, 2008
I arrived late at approximately 8 a.m. for the 7:30 a.m. meeting. In
addition to the three scenarios suggested in the handout for this
meeting (Scenario A-Cap Hillcrest at 40 incoming kindergarten students,
conduct lottery at 5th grade for MS; Scenario B-Phase out MS by 2010;
Scenario C-Phase out MS by 2010 and re-draw the boundaries), a fourth
scenario was suggested: Scenario D-maintain Hillcrest as a K-8, redraw
boundaries (the same proposed re-drawn boundary in Scenario C), and
increase capacity at Montclair to accommodate the current Hillcrest
families from Harbord to Moraga that will become a part of Montclair if
the boundaries are redrawn.
There were many parents in attendance from Montclair, Chabot, Hillcrest
and there were a few parents with preschoolers who will not attend any
OUSD school for a couple of years. There was some amount of animosity
between Chabot and Montclair parents against Hillcrest parents. A part
of the animosity seems to be because Hillcrest parents got involved in
the game earlier than the Chabot and Montclair parents, causing Chabot
and Montclair parents to feel like Hillcrest parents were dictating the
show. Some responses from Hillcrest parents were that Hillcrest parents
saw the problem of overcrowding earlier, started the process of
resolving the issue earlier, contacted the principals at Montclair and
Chabot only to be told that overcrowding was not a problem at the time
the principals were contacted, etc. In short, Hillcrest parents saw the
problem sooner and became pro-active once the problem was identified.
Some parents at Chabot and Montclair feel that the overcrowding at
Hillcrest is caused by Hillcrest families. Specifically, if Hillcrest
families would allow Hillcrest to convert back to K-5, then Chabot and
Montclair would not have to bear the "brunt" of the Hillcrest redirects.
These parents seem to oppose redrawing the boundaries because again,
they would bear the brunt of increased enrollment of students who
previously were in the Hillcrest boundary and would be a part of the
Chabot and Montclair boundaries if the current Hillcrest boundary were
re-drawn.
Some of the opinions expressed included the following: 1) the opinions
of the pre-K families with no children currently in any OUSD school
should be heavily weighted because they are the families most impacted;
2) we need to explore increasing capacity at Hillcrest through the use
of satellite sites (using Far West, a vacant house across the street
from Hillcrest, unspecified open land on Clarewood Drive) to the extent
that physical capacity of the Hillcrest site simply can not be
increased; and 3) the K-8 model should be utilized at other current K-5
schools.
Bottomline: Everyone recognizes that overcrowding in the North Oakland
hills is a problem. Everyone agrees that whatever solution is chosen
needs to be discussed publicly to allow as much input and notice as
possible. Whatever solution is decided upon will not be universally
accepted.
For now, the SAAB is exploring Scenario D: Keep Hillcrest as a K-8 and
redraw the current Hillcrest boundary. One or more members of the SAAB
will attend the November 18 Monclair PTA meeting to discuss redrawing
the Hillcrest boundary and hope to have numbers from the OUSD staff to
advise regarding how many students are expected to become a part of
Monclair should the current Hillcrest boundary be redrawn. The SAAB
will reconvene on Friday, November 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. at 1025 2nd
Ave.
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