Logan airplane noise

[Curtis Maxwell Perrin]

You may have noticed in the last few months the dramatic increase of airplane traffic over our neighborhood, particularly in the early hours of the morning starting at 5am. Logan has altered their flight paths to send the planes on tighter routes, and one of them is unfortunately right over us. This means more planes on a narrower route, which means more noise for the people under that route. Other neighborhoods such as Milton, Cambridge, and Somerville have recently driven Logan to start reconsidering this policy by logging noise complaints. Noise from airplanes is directly related to quality of life and stress, and plane engines also release pollution particulates that can be harmful.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2016/10/07/faa-massport-agree-study-airplane-noise-after-rising-complaints/hIVSjqJnk5vwv6gAHzk0eI/story.html

The best way to stop the planes from being shunted increasingly over our own neighborhood is to file noise complaints on the Massport web site. They take seriously the number of complaints logged (and they have started to listen to Milton, Somerville, and Cambridge because of a concerted effort of residents to log these complaints).

If you want to join the cause and file noise complaints for Roxbury, you can do so here:

https://secure.symphonycdm.com/publicvue/Frames.asp?sys=BOS&HeaderFrame=HeaderPage.asp&MenuFrame=leftMenu.asp?Context=Complaint&ContentFrame=TitlePage_Complaints.asp

Let's stop this noise pollution over our heads. For every one of us that logs a complaint, we can eventually win our case by numbers and participation.

[Rodney Singleton]

Thanks for the heads up Curtis!

Rodney

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[Curtis Maxwell Perrin]

Hi Neighbors,

I'm sure you have noticed the dramatic increase of airplane noise over our homes. We had substantial air traffic overhead starting at 5AM every day except one for the last three weeks straight, which is totally unacceptable. It used to be they only flew over us when the wind came from a certain direction, but now they come all the time.

The reason the planes are coming more frequently is that other communities like Cambridge, Somerville, and Milton have had success filing complaints against Logan, and Logan has shunted the traffic to the areas that complain less. Cambridge, Somerville, and Milton log over 1000 noise complaints each per month, where Roxbury right now logs about 100. It's a numbers game.

Logan listens to these complaints, and the best tool we have right now to fix this noise problem is to be dedicated about filing the complaints. You can do it either online using the link below or by calling them on the telephone (617-561-3333). You can either do it once a day, or save up your complaints and file them all once per week or once per month. The important thing is to make sure they get filed and recorded.

https://secure.symphonycdm.com/publicvue/Frames.asp?sys=BOS&HeaderFrame=HeaderPage.asp&MenuFrame=leftMenu.asp?Context=Complaint&ContentFrame=TitlePage_Complaints.asp

[Rodney Singleton]

Agreed Curtis! We need to up our numbers. Thanks for the heads-up!

-Rodney

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[Sara E. Smith]

I've been entering complaints each morning when it wakes me up. The website complaint form is pretty efficient, even on a phone.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Rodney Singleton <rodne...@gmail.com> wrote:

Agreed Curtis! We need to up our numbers. Thanks for the heads-up!

-Rodney

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Curtis Maxwell Perrin <cpe...@aya.yale.edu> wrote:

Hi Neighbors,

I'm sure you have noticed the dramatic increase of airplane noise over our homes. We had substantial air traffic overhead starting at 5AM every day except one for the last three weeks straight, which is totally unacceptable. It used to be they only flew over us when the wind came from a certain direction, but now they come all the time.

The reason the planes are coming more frequently is that other communities like Cambridge, Somerville, and Milton have had success filing complaints against Logan, and Logan has shunted the traffic to the areas that complain less. Cambridge, Somerville, and Milton log over 1000 noise complaints each per month, where Roxbury right now logs about 100. It's a numbers game.

Logan listens to these complaints, and the best tool we have right now to fix this noise problem is to be dedicated about filing the complaints. You can do it either online using the link below or by calling them on the telephone (617-561-3333). You can either do it once a day, or save up your complaints and file them all once per week or once per month. The important thing is to make sure they get filed and recorded.

https://secure.symphonycdm.com/publicvue/Frames.asp?sys=BOS&HeaderFrame=HeaderPage.asp&MenuFrame=leftMenu.asp?Context=Complaint&ContentFrame=TitlePage_Complaints.asp

Let's stop this noise pollution over our heads. For every one of us that logs a complaint, we can eventually win our case by numbers and participation.

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[Elmo, known of Boston, MA USA]

bcc: Blind carbon copy is a useful thing. Maybe not in this case, but in some cases bcc: is more appropriate than cc:.

On Jan 25, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Mount Pleasant <mtpleasantas...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Elmo, known of Boston, MA USA]

Yes, considering the people in the South End made the MBTA retrofit the Silver Line buses so that their glazings and furnishings wouldn’t be rattled by the harmonics.

On Jan 25, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Andrew Shelburne <andrew.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

Brian / Joanne

The Highland Park Listserv received your message.

This is a big problem, this past weekend my windows rattled due to the plane noise being so loud. 

Thank you for your work on this issue.

Andrew Shelburne

Highland Park Resident

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Mount Pleasant <mtpleasantas...@gmail.com> wrote:

Joanne told me she received a bounce back from the Highland Park Listserv, wanted to ensure everyone received it.

Thank you.

Brian Keith | President | Mount Pleasant Ave, Vine and Forest Streets Neighborhood Association

(857) 230-0917

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From: Joanne Francois Keith <joanne...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Logan airplane noise

To: Rodney Singleton <rodne...@gmail.com>
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Good Afternoon, 

 

I apologize for not immediately, responding to this, but I wanted to be sure I took the time to answer this in a way that really serves the interest of this community. That being said, since the email on 10/18 I've attended two meetings of the Logan CAC and 1 meeting with a smaller group of CAC representatives from Roslindale and Jamaica Plain, whose communities are also impacted negatively by noise from Runway 27. There has been a steep learning curve in the short time I've been involved with the CAC  (April of 2016), and with that I'd like to shed some light on the statements made in the previous email and ask that the neighborhood mobilize to begin to effect some change.

 

As best as I understand it a Record of Decision was reached back in 1996 as a result of litigation from communities along the Route 9 corridor (including Brookline and Newton), which pushed the air traffic away from their communities and over Boston (Roxbury, Roslindale, JP, and parts of West Roxbury).  The noise you've been hearing as of late is largely due to RNAV (GPS) routes that have restricted the flight paths of the airplanes even further and created this concentration of noise that many of us are inundated by day and night. 

 

The CAC communities, Roxbury included, have been working with MassPort on a Boston Logan Airport Noise Study (BLANS), which works to identify ways to provide relief to communities impacted by airplane noise. There are as many as 45 communities represented.   As stated in the previous email, it is beyond important that we call MassPort and/or log electronic complaints to MassPort. It's also even more important to get involved and show up to meetings on the issue of air traffic.  

 

Tomorrow, Thursday January 26th at 6PM at the South End Branch Library, please come let your voice be heard as Congressman Capuano attends a meeting that the residents of the South End have called regarding airplane noise.  

 

If anyone is so moved and would like to work with me on our next steps I would really appreciate it.   

 

Also, as many of you know GE is moving to Boston. GE would like to place a helipad at its headquarters in South Boston.  Please attend, if you can, or call the offices of the following representative below to voice your opinion as the public meeting portion of the process begins. 

 

http://patch.com/massachusetts/backbay/s/g0bhn/bostons-public-helipad-hearings-start-next-week

Boston's Public Helipad Hearings Start Next Week

A helipad task force is seeking public input on the potential Seaport spot first floated as part of GE's incentives package.

By Alison Bauter (Patch Staff) - January 23, 2017 10:57 am ET

 

The Helipad Task Force is eyeing up logistical challenges, infrastructure questions and operational issues, and it's seeking the public's input, starting next week. The Task Force will be hosting public meetings on Monday, January 30, at 7 p.m., in the Amphitheatre on the mezzanine level of the Seaport World Trade Center in Boston, and on Monday, February 6, from 2-4 p.m., in Room 428 of the State House.

 

The Task Force includes State Senator Linda Dorcena-Forry, State Representative Nick Collins, District City Councilor Bill Linehan, and at-large Councilor Michael Flaherty appointed by Council President Michelle Wu, MassDOT Secretary and CEO Stephanie Pollack, Massachusetts Secretary of Economic Development Jay Ash, MassPort Executive Director Tom Glynn, Boston Director of Economic Development John Barros, and Boston Planning and Development Agency representative Sonal Gandhi.

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/technology/2017/01/public_hearings_set_for_hub_helipad_plan

 

Contact information for our elected officials-

 

Mike Capuano's Office: http://capuano.house.gov/contact/massachusetts.shtml

 

Tito Jackson's Office: https://www.boston.gov/departments/city-council/tito-jackson

 

Roxbury Legislators: https://malegislature.gov/Search/FindMyLegislator?Address=&City=&ZipCode=02119

 

 

Once again, please try and attend tomorrow's meeting, I'll be there in the "pink scarf". Also, it's beyond important to complain, each and everyday about the noise. It's the only way to ensure Roxbury's displeasure is heards.  

 

Regards, 

 

Joanne Keith

Logan CAC, Roxbury Representative

617-447-9685

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[Curtis Maxwell Perrin]

Hi Ted,

I think keeping a list that can be shared with everyone is a great idea. I'd definitely love if you could share it. It's easy to forget to complain at 5am, so a list for when we're all more awake and can file the complaints in bulk is terrific.

Thanks,

Curtis

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Ted Resnikoff <t...@resnikoff.com> wrote:

Hi Joanne,

 

Thank you for this deatailed explanation of the situation. I've been registering complaints with Massport since last summer and have a suggestion as to how our community can more effectively do the same. Curtis Perrin pointed out that complaints can be registered at any time - not just when the nusiance is happening - so I've taken to recording the date and time of first disturbance on a pad of paper at home, and logging my complaints in bulk. I will share my list at the end of the month with the link to the complaint web-page and invite everyone to register their complaints from the list. If others would like to "take a month" that's great - otherwise I'll keep doing it.

 

I am very happy to work with you on next steps - you can email me directly at "t...@resnikoff.com". Unfortunately I can't attend the meeting in the South End tonight as I'll be at the DND presentation at the Shelbune Center regarding new E+ housing in Highland Park.

 

Thanks for all you are doing!

 

Yours,

 

Ted.

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 16:35:05 -0500, Joanne Francois Keith <joanne...@gmail.com> wrote:

Good Afternoon, 

 

I apologize for not immediately, responding to this, but I wanted to be sure I took the time to answer this in a way that really serves the interest of this community. That being said, since the email on 10/18 I've attended two meetings of the Logan CAC and 1 meeting with a smaller group of CAC representatives from Roslindale and Jamaica Plain, whose communities are also impacted negatively by noise from Runway 27. There has been a steep learning curve in the short time I've been involved with the CAC  (April of 2016), and with that I'd like to shed some light on the statements made in the previous email and ask that the neighborhood mobilize to begin to effect some change.

 

As best as I understand it a Record of Decision was reached back in 1996 as a result of litigation from communities along the Route 9 corridor (including Brookline and Newton), which pushed the air traffic away from their communities and over Boston (Roxbury, Roslindale, JP, and parts of West Roxbury).  The noise you've been hearing as of late is largely due to RNAV (GPS) routes that have restricted the flight paths of the airplanes even further and created this concentration of noise that many of us are inundated by day and night. 

 

The CAC communities, Roxbury included, have been working with MassPort on a Boston Logan Airport Noise Study (BLANS), which works to identify ways to provide relief to communities impacted by airplane noise. There are as many as 45 communities represented.   As stated in the previous email, it is beyond important that we call MassPort and/or log electronic complaints to MassPort. It's also even more important to get involved and show up to meetings on the issue of air traffic.  

 

Tomorrow, Thursday January 26th at 6PM at the South End Branch Library, please come let your voice be heard as Congressman Capuano attends a meeting that the residents of the South End have called regarding airplane noise.  

 

If anyone is so moved and would like to work with me on our next steps I would really appreciate it.   

 

Also, as many of you know GE is moving to Boston. GE would like to place a helipad at its headquarters in South Boston.  Please attend, if you can, or call the offices of the following representative below to voice your opinion as the public meeting portion of the process begins. 

 

http://patch.com/massachusetts/backbay/s/g0bhn/bostons-public-helipad-hearings-start-next-week

Boston's Public Helipad Hearings Start Next Week

A helipad task force is seeking public input on the potential Seaport spot first floated as part of GE's incentives package.

By Alison Bauter (Patch Staff) - January 23, 2017 10:57 am ET

 

The Helipad Task Force is eyeing up logistical challenges, infrastructure questions and operational issues, and it's seeking the public's input, starting next week. The Task Force will be hosting public meetings on Monday, January 30, at 7 p.m., in the Amphitheatre on the mezzanine level of the Seaport World Trade Center in Boston, and on Monday, February 6, from 2-4 p.m., in Room 428 of the State House.

 

The Task Force includes State Senator Linda Dorcena-Forry, State Representative Nick Collins, District City Councilor Bill Linehan, and at-large Councilor Michael Flaherty appointed by Council President Michelle Wu, MassDOT Secretary and CEO Stephanie Pollack, Massachusetts Secretary of Economic Development Jay Ash, MassPort Executive Director Tom Glynn, Boston Director of Economic Development John Barros, and Boston Planning and Development Agency representative Sonal Gandhi.

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/technology/2017/01/public_hearings_set_for_hub_helipad_plan

 

Contact information for our elected officials-

 

Mike Capuano's Office: http://capuano.house.gov/contact/massachusetts.shtml

 

Tito Jackson's Office: https://www.boston.gov/departments/city-council/tito-jackson

 

Roxbury Legislators: https://malegislature.gov/Search/FindMyLegislator?Address=&City=&ZipCode=02119

 

 

Once again, please try and attend tomorrow's meeting, I'll be there in the "pink scarf". Also, it's beyond important to complain, each and everyday about the noise. It's the only way to ensure Roxbury's displeasure is heards.  

 

Regards, 

 

Joanne Keith

Logan CAC, Roxbury Representative

617-447-9685

 

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[Kevin Galie']

nothing to add - to my previous email contained in this string - I think they should be lobbied to start at 6am, 530 earliest - yes I too have noticed, with pain, the 5:15 every morning - there must be law firms in the country who have experience with this - I know years ago there was a big success with LAX, and also I believe Winthrop won a thing where they were subsidised for triple pane windows.

 As before, I won't respond further, because I can't get into email back and forths - if someone wants to google search around for previous jurisprudence on this or law firms that know about this, great. otherwise, what I said down in this string still stands - happy to sign any petitions on it, if anyone gets one going. They will argue it's critical to the area's economy and they have a pre-existing sound easement for doing such - but I don't believe it's always been from 5:15 - but haven't researched the history. Massport's position is ' there is no curfew for Logan airport' period, end of (their) story. 

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On Thu, Nov 14, 2024 at 5:38 PM Mapp, Karen <karen...@gse.harvard.edu> wrote:

Neighbors -

Back in 2016, we began a discussion (see below) about the incessant jet noise over our neighborhood.  I recall that there was a meeting held with Massport:  does anyone remember what the outcome was of that meeting?

The reason I ask is because is that they are back to flying over our neighborhood starting at about 5:15AM.  At some points, they are coming every 20-30 seconds.  

I took a recording this morning of a 15-minute time period between 6:15 and 6:30PM.  It amounts to a noise assault over our neighborhood.  If construction crews are not allowed to start work that makes disturbing noise until after 7AM, I don’t know why Logan is allowed to fly over neighborhoods before that time.  They have an option to fly over the harbor, but they clearly have no incentive to use that option.

I have called the Logan noise complaint line on SEVERAL occasions:  the last person I spoke with admitted that the complaints just get filed with the FAA and nothing becomes of them.  I’d like to take this to the next level - perhaps engaging the Mayor’s Office.

Any suggestions for collective action?

Karen

"Do not get lost in a sea of despair. Be hopeful, be optimistic. Our struggle is not the struggle of a day, a week, a month, or a year, it is the struggle of a lifetime. Never, ever be afraid to make some noise and get in good trouble, necessary trouble." 
John Lewis

Karen L. Mapp, Ed.D.
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Harvard Graduate School of Education, Gutman Library, 4th Floor
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On Dec 14, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Kevin Galie' <kevinj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all - first of all, let me please say right up front I don't really have the time to get into big email exchanges, so if someone responds directly to me and I don't in turn respond, please accept my apologies in advance.

1.) 5am flights - I completely agree - I don't see why Logan NEEDS a 5 am flight - I don't see why some compromise of at least, let's say 5:45 can't be reached - I'm sure some want later.

2.) there was actually something on NPR about this a while ago - there is a technology now where the planes take the exact same path, within inches - an invisible highway and it's relatively new - last few years or something

3.) if there is some meeting about this with competent authorities present that really shows some hope of affecting this, I'll be happy to attend if I'm able

Hello to everyone - I see your emails - I am a free-lance professional so it's difficult for me to get involved or competently monitor the discussions, but it's nice to see - 

all the best, Kevin

2016-12-14 12:38 GMT-05:00 powellhouse2009 via Highland Park Neighborhood Watch <highland-park-ne...@googlegroups.com>:

Dear Ms. Keith,

For the past two months, I have been logging sporadic complaints with MassPort about noise pollution generated by aircraft at 5 AM in the morning over my home!  As an elderly resident of Roxbury, I have the right to peace in my home ... please!

This morning I found your name listed as the Roxbury representative  on the Community Advisory Board on MassPort's website.    Thank-you for your service.   

But please know that I find totally unacceptable the trade-off between my health and fuel savings for the airlines.  I urge you to urge your colleagues at MassPort to send flights leaving Boston over the Harbor ... not our homes!

Thank-you!

Yvonne Powell

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Sent: Wed, Dec 14, 2016 11:42 am
Subject: Re: Logan airplane noise

I've been entering complaints each morning when it wakes me up. The website complaint form is pretty efficient, even on a phone.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Rodney Singleton <rodne...@gmail.com> wrote:

Agreed Curtis! We need to up our numbers. Thanks for the heads-up!

-Rodney

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Curtis Maxwell Perrin <cpe...@aya.yale.edu> wrote:

Hi Neighbors,

I'm sure you have noticed the dramatic increase of airplane noise over our homes. We had substantial air traffic overhead starting at 5AM every day except one for the last three weeks straight, which is totally unacceptable. It used to be they only flew over us when the wind came from a certain direction, but now they come all the time.

The reason the planes are coming more frequently is that other communities like Cambridge, Somerville, and Milton have had success filing complaints against Logan, and Logan has shunted the traffic to the areas that complain less. Cambridge, Somerville, and Milton log over 1000 noise complaints each per month, where Roxbury right now logs about 100. It's a numbers game.

Logan listens to these complaints, and the best tool we have right now to fix this noise problem is to be dedicated about filing the complaints. You can do it either online using the link below or by calling them on the telephone (617-561-3333). You can either do it once a day, or save up your complaints and file them all once per week or once per month. The important thing is to make sure they get filed and recorded.

https://secure.symphonycdm.com/publicvue/Frames.asp?sys=BOS&HeaderFrame=HeaderPage.asp&MenuFrame=leftMenu.asp?Context=Complaint&ContentFrame=TitlePage_Complaints.asp

Let's stop this noise pollution over our heads. For every one of us that logs a complaint, we can eventually win our case by numbers and participation.

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[Hallie Baker]

Hello Karen (& everyone),

Thank you for re-starting this conversation. We didn’t move to the neighborhood until shortly before COVID hit, when airline travel became slim to none for some time. But since it resumed we have had several discussions about the noise pollution caused by aircraft passing overhead. We notice it starting at 5:00am on the dot. I’m very curious to hear the discussions that have already taken place and any outcomes of any previous escalations of these concerns. 

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try this https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/noise_emissions/noise_complaints

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On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 8:37 AM Hatuey Josie <taino...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I second and third what Karen and Hallie stated.  I too have been awaken by the overhead pollution of aircraft traffic as well as their mechanical roars.  At times, it almost feels as if the planes are directly above my home.  Please share the link so that I can begin to login my complaints as well.  Thanks Karen for bringing this issue to the spotlight.  Enjoy your day.

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On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 12:56 PM Nina Zumpalova <nina.zu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Karen and all,

Thanks for starting the conversation about noise pollution. I feel like it has gotten worse compared to the pre-pandemic period.

Aside from calling Logan and filling out the complaint form (thanks for sharing the details!), it might be worth reaching out to local news outlets. Perhaps you could share the recording you made in the morning. They might contact Logan to ask questions about route decisions and current noise reduction strategies. I find it astonishing that - five out of seven days, and seconds apart - they have to fly over our neighborhood. 

One complaint form filled out today! 

Nina     

Yvonne Powell

I've been entering complaints each morning when it wakes me up. The website complaint form is pretty efficient, even on a phone.

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Agreed Curtis! We need to up our numbers. Thanks for the heads-up!

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On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Curtis Maxwell Perrin <cpe...@aya.yale.edu> wrote:

Hi Neighbors,

I'm sure you have noticed the dramatic increase of airplane noise over our homes. We had substantial air traffic overhead starting at 5AM every day except one for the last three weeks straight, which is totally unacceptable. It used to be they only flew over us when the wind came from a certain direction, but now they come all the time.

The reason the planes are coming more frequently is that other communities like Cambridge, Somerville, and Milton have had success filing complaints against Logan, and Logan has shunted the traffic to the areas that complain less. Cambridge, Somerville, and Milton log over 1000 noise complaints each per month, where Roxbury right now logs about 100. It's a numbers game.

Logan listens to these complaints, and the best tool we have right now to fix this noise problem is to be dedicated about filing the complaints. You can do it either online using the link below or by calling them on the telephone (617-561-3333). You can either do it once a day, or save up your complaints and file them all once per week or once per month. The important thing is to make sure they get filed and recorded.

https://secure.symphonycdm.com/publicvue/Frames.asp?sys=BOS&HeaderFrame=HeaderPage.asp&MenuFrame=leftMenu.asp?Context=Complaint&ContentFrame=TitlePage_Complaints.asp

Let's stop this noise pollution over our heads. For every one of us that logs a complaint, we can eventually win our case by numbers and participation.

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[GaoYuan Chang]

Where are you in Roxbury? I lived here for 4 years now and haven’t heard a thing. 

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Legal precedents for suing an airport to alter flight schedules typically fall under noise and nuisance laws, zoning regulations, or environmental concerns. Courts have addressed such cases, but outcomes vary depending on jurisdiction, the airport’s regulatory framework, and the complainants' claims. Here are a few key points:

Legal Basis for Such Cases

1. Nuisance Claims: Residents near airports sometimes sue under the claim of public or private nuisance, arguing that early-morning flights disturb their peace. Success depends on proving that the noise constitutes an unreasonable interference with the use and enjoyment of their property.
2. Environmental Laws: Some lawsuits invoke environmental laws, such as the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) in the U.S., alleging inadequate assessment of noise and environmental impacts by the airport or authorities.
3. Zoning Laws: Challenges can arise from claims that flight schedules violate local zoning ordinances or agreements governing airport operations.

Challenges in Suing Airports

• Federal Preemption: In the U.S., the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regulates air traffic, including schedules, limiting local or state governments' ability to impose restrictions.
• Economic Justifications: Airports and airlines may argue that early flights are economically necessary and benefit the community.
• Precedents: Courts often defer to FAA regulations and airport authorities if operations comply with established standards.

Precedents

1. Burbank v. Lockheed Air Terminal, Inc. (1973): The U.S. Supreme Court held that local governments cannot impose curfews on airport operations because the FAA has sole authority over air traffic.
2. Airport Noise and Capacity Act (1990): This act restricts the ability of airports to impose new noise-related restrictions without FAA approval.

Potential Options for Action

If you or your community want to challenge early flight schedules:

1. Engage with Local Authorities: Work through airport noise committees or local government to propose changes.
2. Petition the FAA: Submit complaints or requests for review of noise impacts.
3. Negotiate Voluntary Measures: Some airports have implemented voluntary curfews through community pressure.
4. Join or Initiate a Class Action Lawsuit: If there’s broad community support and a strong nuisance case, litigation may be an option.

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On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 4:23 PM joyce.stanley1106 <joyce.st...@gmail.com> wrote:

There have been a lot of efforts over the years. When one neighborhood complains they send them over another. The most successful was when Boston, Winthrop, and Revere got together  at Massport and they agreed to alternate the areas they fly over. That was organized by , think, Rep  Gloria Fox and Rep Sal Dimasi. Joyce

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