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[Ileana Argyris]

Hi,

Seeds are growing! Arugula, Black Seeded Simpson Lettuce and Nevada Lettuce have started growing. The Fordhook Chard, Swiss Chard and Round Leaf Spinach are not growing yet. 

Hydroponics:

I changed the end of the spiral to an end cap to prevent debris from getting into the water. I used silicone to connect the spiral to the end cap. I still have to drill a hole for the tube to enter the spiral. I bought new fittings to make it easier to reduce the T down to the size we need to attach the valve to the spiral. To make sure that the end T is tightly attached to the piping I bought jacker rod to fill some of the grooves where the spiral attaches to a coupler. I needed a coupler so that I could extend the T to position it over the reservoir. 

Platform:

We started the platform for the robot by making the middle of the spiral more stable. On Monday we’re going to attach plywood to the platform. Paul is in the process of fabricating a base made out of nylon plastic for the robot arm to attach to. This will make the robot very stable.

 

Measurements:

Sorry Simon! I have yet to get the measurements! I just recently bought a metric tape measure to make things a lot more accurate.  ;)

Pictures attached!

[Angelo Vermeulen]

Hi Ileana,

Thanks for your message! I can certainly use this for my science report! I already started, but I will include this new material tomorrow.

One additional question: how did you decide to create the 'barrier' inside the tube (to generate an ebb and flow system)?

Cheers,
Angelo

[Henk Rogers]

Angelo,

I believe that this is the address I'm supposed to be using now, correct?

I'm assuming that you are looking to have a 30 minute wet-dry cycle for the plants or something like that. All you need to do it to lift the end of the tube slightly to get it to fill up with water (any more and the whole system will overflow through the plant holes anyway). I can think of a number of clever ways to do this. If this problem has not already been solved, let me know.

Henk

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[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Angelo,

I went to the ranch on Tuesday and drilled the holes for the baskets. I drilled them every foot along the spiral. There are approximately 70 holes. On Tuesday I also glued the output system and took dimensions and secured the gazebo. It was really windy and looked like it would fly away!

I also went to the ranch yesterday and unfortunately I didn't get a chance to test the hydroponic system or attach the cameras.

I attached the lights to the canopy and built and installed the robot arm's platform. The robot arm's platform was set up so that the arm's level is at the same level as the top of the spiral. Yesterday I also placed baskets into the spiral. 

I didn't get the hydroponic system working yet because I honestly have no idea how to get the valve connected to electricity. I might just use the sprinkler valve for now until I understand how the valve is supposed to be hooked up.

Thanks,

Ileana 

On Monday, July 1, 2013 5:45:14 PM UTC-10, henk wrote:

Angelo,

I believe that this is the address I'm supposed to be using now, correct?

I'm assuming that you are looking to have a 30 minute wet-dry cycle for the plants or something like that. All you need to do it to lift the end of the tube slightly to get it to fill up with water (any more and the whole system will overflow through the plant holes anyway). I can think of a number of clever ways to do this. If this problem has not already been solved, let me know.

Henk

On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:13 AM, Angelo Vermeulen wrote:

Hi Ileana,

Thanks for your message! I can certainly use this for my science report! I already started, but I will include this new material tomorrow.

One additional question: how did you decide to create the 'barrier' inside the tube (to generate an ebb and flow system)?

Cheers,
Angelo

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[Angelo Vermeulen]

Hi Ileana,

Thanks for the update! This surely helps. Some responses to the problems you encountered:

*Gazebo: originally we were gonna pour concrete in four buckets with a metal hook in each one of them. These could then be used to tie down each corner of the gazebo. Are those metal hooks/loops still around? Can you ask Paul/Henk for advice on how to secure the gazebo better?

*Wiring  the electric valve: I will ask Aleks to get in touch with you ASAP! Have you Googled the type of pump? Can you give me the specs (brand and type) so I can have a look myself as well. The sprinkler valve won't work because it  needs pressure.

*The lights might have to be moved a little closer to the spiral. If I remember correctly they're typically used at a distance of about 50 cm from the plants (but then then they would get in the way of the arm). Have you checked the light intensity with the gazebo fully closed. Any chance you get a hold of a light meter?

*One tip when you're using silicone-based glue. Keep a small glass with water and some washing up liquid handy. You can then dip in your fingers, and finish off the edges without getting sticky fingers.

Cheers,
Angelo

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Angelo,

I secured the gazebo on Tuesday using stakes and the rope that was originally holding the gazebo down. 

The valve is a Georg Fischer EA11 with a Georg Fischer Ball Valve Type 546 attached to it. 

I'll check the light intensity when I go up tomorrow. I'll also move the lights further down. 

Thanks for the tip! I'll use it if we have to use more silicone. (:

Thanks,

Ileana

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[Simon Engler]

Hi Ileana,

The measurements i would like are:

-the length of side of platform
-the diameter of center ring.
-the length of tube and diameter
-distance between holes drilled in tube (on average if it varies)

We have a model of the robot arm now, so i can finish making a 3d model of the whole farm now.

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Simon,

Here's a picture with the measurements on it to give you a better picture of things. 

The tube is around 21.336 meters. 

Let me know if you need anything else! 

Thanks,

Ileana

[Angelo Vermeulen]

Hi Ileana,

Aleks just got back to me about the valve and referred to this thread on Google Groups: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/hi-seas-space-farm/_NweUwSFBMY

I was always assuming we would plug this valve into a regular plug-in timer, but that might not work. In any case, if it's not clear, please get in touch with Aleks through this mailing list or on avel...@gmail.com

Keep me posted! I hope we can get this to work soon.

Cheers,
Angelo

Thanks,

Ileana 

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[Aleks Velhner]

Angelo,

with a little effort, the valve can be hooked up to a timer (or two) but connecting it to the controller that does everything else in the setup, makes lot more sense. Then you have one point of control and flexibility to play with the timing locally or remotely. The controller must have two extra digital/discrete outputs that you can turn on/off with a simple program routine. It would also be the cheapest way to do it (no need for one or two timers and extra effort in wiring them in) 

With the valve I sent two relays (I think?) that can be used to interface the controller to the valve open/close inputs. The manual for the valve is also sent with the valve.

Attached is the connection diagram. Please let me know if you will need more info/clarification.

Aleks

[Angelo Vermeulen]

We are using the Growtronix system with controllable power outlets http://www.growtronix.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=6 Is there any way we could connect regular plugs to the valve?

Cheers,
Angelo

[Aleks Velhner]

Yes. Just split the leads from the two outlets to the 3 pin connector on the valve with one lead being common for both. 

Aleks Velhner

CAN 778.882.0495

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[simon.engler]

Excellent! Thanks so much for these measurements.

[Angelo Vermeulen]

Thanks for the help Aleks! Simon is currently looking into it as well.

Cheers,
Angelo

[simon.engler]

Hi Alex,

Trying to figure this one out. The controllable power outlets from Growtonics are two different outlets with their own controllers. We can turn power on/off remotely to each socket. So each outlet has its own built in relay. We were assuming we could turn the valve by switching the power on/off this way.

Can we not wire up and supply power directly to the pump via growtronics, and not have to put another controller system in?

Hope I am clear, if not let me know.

Simon

Thanks,

Ileana 

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[Angelo Vermeulen]

Hi Ileana, how are the seedlings doing? Is it possible to send me a picture today? I need to write my weekly report, and would love to include that.

With help from Aleks and Simon you should be able to figure out how to wire the valve. Since we have the Growtronix controller system in which you can simply plug in the valve, it shouldn't be difficult. Simon is working on a message for you.

Also, it might be a good moment to start experimenting with the Growtronix system, or at least . I asked Kim about a dedicated laptop. Could you run tests on your own laptop before a new one arrives?

And don't forget to let me know what is needed to set up a connection between the ranch and the HI-SEAS hab. I can facilitate that then.

Cheers,
Angelo

[Aleks Velhner]

Hi Simon,

 

It appear to be so – two outlets independently controlled so yes, it could be used to control the valve.

 

Don’t have the details on Growtrinics but it must have some means of providing the control to the pumps. The pumps are 120V, so really, if there are no outputs on the growtronics you could use another remotely controllable power outlet. Same thing for the lighting (if it’s powered by 120V) or anything else. Then, what’s the Growtronics for, one would wonder,….other than connect to the outlet boxes and communicate to the world?

 

Aleks

Thanks,

 

Ileana 

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[Simon Engler]

Hi Alex,

The growtronics outlets have connectors controlled by the growtronics system via the Internet. Kind of a centralized control for the entire hydroponics system. Info can be found here:

http://www.growtronix.com/store/index.php?route=common/home


The system is meant to power standard household appliances/lights so the voltage coming out of the power outlets is 120V.

So I am hoping it is just a simple matter of plugging the valve in to control it fully?

If that is the case Ileana will have to wire up a standard household thee pin plug to the gray cable with the red/black/white wires.

 I take it the red/black/white wires are power/ground/neutral respectively? I'm not sure 100% sure from information I see on the pump so far, don't want to get that one wrong! ;)

Simon

[Aleks Velhner]

Not. Of the three wires one is neutral and the other two are hot - one to open the other to close. That means you need two outlets to control the valve. 

The way to control it is you turn 'open' on, keep it on for about 15 secs and then turn off. Same thing to control the 'close' outlet. 

Aleks Velhner

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USA 808.989.8529

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[Simon Engler]

Ah, okay.

So Ileana will have to wire in two plugs to the valve cable which will then plug into the growtronics power outlets. The system can be controlled via computer from there.

Alex, could you provide a quick diagram to show the best way to wire this for Ileana?

Simon




On 05/07/2013 1:39 PM, Aleks Velhner wrote:

Not. Of the three wires one is neutral and the other two are hot - one to open the other to close. That means you need two outlets to control the valve.�

The way to control it is you turn 'open' on, keep it on for about 15 secs and then turn off. Same thing to control the 'close' outlet.�

Aleks Velhner

CAN 778.882.0495

USA 808.989.8529

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-05, at 3:43 PM, Simon Engler <simon....@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Alex,

The growtronics outlets have connectors controlled by the growtronics system via the Internet. Kind of a centralized control for the entire hydroponics system. Info can be found here:

http://www.growtronix.com/store/index.php?route=common/home


The system is meant to power standard household appliances/lights so the voltage coming out of the power outlets is 120V.

So I am hoping it is just a simple matter of plugging the valve in to control it fully?

If that is the case Ileana will have to wire up a standard household thee pin plug to the gray cable with the red/black/white wires.

�I take it the red/black/white wires are power/ground/neutral respectively? I'm not sure 100% sure from information I see on the pump so far, don't want to get that one wrong! ;)

Simon










On 05/07/2013 12:14 PM, Aleks Velhner wrote:

Hi Simon,

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Don�t have the details on Growtrinics but it must have some means of providing the control to the pumps. The pumps are 120V, so really, if there are no outputs on the growtronics you could use another remotely controllable power outlet. Same thing for the lighting (if it�s powered by 120V) or anything else. Then, what�s the Growtronics for, one would wonder,�.other than connect to the outlet boxes and communicate to the world?

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Aleks

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Trying to figure this one out. The controllable power outlets from Growtonics are two different outlets with their own controllers. We can turn power on/off remotely to each socket. So each outlet has its own built in relay. We were assuming we could turn the valve by switching the power on/off this way.

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Can we not wire up and supply power directly to the pump via growtronics, and not have to put another controller system in?

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Hope I am clear, if not let me know.

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Simon

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On Friday, 5 July 2013 09:18:50 UTC-10, Aleks Velhner wrote:

Yes. Just split the leads from the two outlets to the 3 pin connector on the valve with one lead being common for both.�

Aleks Velhner

CAN 778.882.0495

USA 808.989.8529

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Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-05, at 11:47 AM, Angelo Vermeulen <ang...@delaysnrf.ksc.nasa.gov> wrote:

We are using the Growtronix system with controllable power outlets http://www.growtronix.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=6 Is there any way we could connect regular plugs to the valve?

Cheers,
Angelo


On 7/5/2013 7:45 AM, Aleks Velhner wrote:

Angelo,

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with a little effort, the valve can be hooked up to a timer (or two) but connecting it to the controller that does everything else in the setup, makes lot more sense. Then you have one point of control and flexibility to play with the timing locally or remotely. The controller must have two extra digital/discrete outputs that you can turn on/off with a simple program routine. It would also be the cheapest way to do it (no need for one or two timers and extra effort in wiring them in)�

With the valve I sent two relays (I think?) that can be used to interface the controller to the valve open/close inputs. The manual for the valve is also sent with the valve.

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Attached is the connection diagram. Please let me know if you will need more info/clarification.

�

Aleks

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On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Angelo Vermeulen <ang...@delaysnrf.ksc.nasa.gov> wrote:

Hi Ileana,

Aleks just got back to me about the valve and referred to this thread on Google Groups: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/hi-seas-space-farm/_NweUwSFBMY

I was always assuming we would plug this valve into a regular plug-in timer, but that might not work. In any case, if it's not clear, please get in touch with Aleks through this mailing list or on avel...@gmail.com

Keep me posted! I hope we can get this to work soon.

Cheers,
Angelo


On 7/4/2013 4:27 PM, Ileana Argyris wrote:

Hi Angelo,

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I secured the gazebo on Tuesday using stakes and the rope that was originally holding the gazebo down.�

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The valve is a Georg Fischer EA11 with a Georg Fischer Ball Valve Type 546 attached to it.�

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I'll check the light intensity when I go up tomorrow. I'll also move the lights further down.�

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Thanks for the tip! I'll use it if we have to use more silicone. (:

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Thanks,

Ileana

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On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Angelo Vermeulen <ang...@delaysnrf.ksc.nasa.gov> wrote:

Hi Ileana,

Thanks for the update! This surely helps. Some responses to the problems you encountered:

*Gazebo: originally we were gonna pour concrete in four buckets with a metal hook in each one of them. These could then be used to tie down each corner of the gazebo. Are those metal hooks/loops still around? Can you ask Paul/Henk for advice on how to secure the gazebo better?

*Wiring� the electric valve: I will ask Aleks to get in touch with you ASAP! Have you Googled the type of pump? Can you give me the specs (brand and type) so I can have a look myself as well. The sprinkler valve won't work because it� needs pressure.

*The lights might have to be moved a little closer to the spiral. If I remember correctly they're typically used at a distance of about 50 cm from the plants (but then then they would get in the way of the arm). Have you checked the light intensity with the gazebo fully closed. Any chance you get a hold of a light meter?

*One tip when you're using silicone-based glue. Keep a small glass with water and some washing up liquid handy. You can then dip in your fingers, and finish off the edges without getting sticky fingers.

Cheers,
Angelo

On 7/4/2013 11:01 AM, Ileana Argyris wrote:

Hi Angelo,

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I went to the ranch on Tuesday and drilled the holes for the baskets. I drilled them every foot along the spiral. There are approximately 70 holes. On Tuesday I also glued the output system and took dimensions and secured the gazebo. It was really windy and looked like it would fly away!

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I also went to the ranch yesterday and unfortunately I didn't get a chance to test the hydroponic system or attach the cameras.

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I attached the lights to the canopy and built and installed the robot arm's platform. The robot arm's platform was set up so that the arm's level is at the same level as the top of the spiral. Yesterday I also placed baskets into the spiral.�

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I didn't get the hydroponic system working yet because I honestly have no idea how to get the valve connected to electricity. I might just use the sprinkler valve for now until I understand how the valve is supposed to be hooked up.

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Thanks,

�

Ileana�

On Monday, July 1, 2013 5:45:14 PM UTC-10, henk wrote:

Angelo,

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I believe that this is the address I'm supposed to be using now, correct?

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I'm assuming that you are looking to have a 30 minute wet-dry cycle for the plants or something like that. All you need to do it to lift the end of the tube slightly to get it to fill up with water (any more and the whole system will overflow through the plant holes anyway). I can think of a number of clever ways to do this. If this problem has not already been solved, let me know.

�

Henk

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On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:13 AM, Angelo Vermeulen wrote:

Hi Ileana,

Thanks for your message! I can certainly use this for my science report! I already started, but I will include this new material tomorrow.

One additional question: how did you decide to create the 'barrier' inside the tube (to generate an ebb and flow system)?

Cheers,
Angelo

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[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Angelo,

I've attached a picture of the seedlings and an updated spread sheet that shows if they have sprouted or not. Three of the Fordhook Chard and two of the Swiss Chard has sprouted. The Round Leaf Spinach has not sprouted at all. Should we use a different plant?

It might be the angle, but the lights are actually only 85 cm from the top of the spiral. I'm hesitant to lower it more until we see how the arm interacts with everything. 

I've attached pictures of what the gazebo looks with the lights on and the walls closed up and one picture with the walls closed up and no lights on.

When should I transplant the seedlings into the baskets?

Next week I plan to:

-number all of the baskets

-test the growtronix system

-look for software for the cameras

-figure out how to connect the ranch and the hab (any suggestions?)

-do a water test
-wire the valve

-weatherproof all electronics

-install cameras

Thanks,

Ileana

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Simon Engler <simon....@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah, okay.

So Ileana will have to wire in two plugs to the valve cable which will then plug into the growtronics power outlets. The system can be controlled via computer from there.

Alex, could you provide a quick diagram to show the best way to wire this for Ileana?

Simon

On 05/07/2013 1:39 PM, Aleks Velhner wrote:

Not. Of the three wires one is neutral and the other two are hot - one to open the other to close. That means you need two outlets to control the valve. 

The way to control it is you turn 'open' on, keep it on for about 15 secs and then turn off. Same thing to control the 'close' outlet. 

Aleks Velhner

CAN 778.882.0495

USA 808.989.8529

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-05, at 3:43 PM, Simon Engler <simon....@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Alex,

The growtronics outlets have connectors controlled by the growtronics system via the Internet. Kind of a centralized control for the entire hydroponics system. Info can be found here:

http://www.growtronix.com/store/index.php?route=common/home


The system is meant to power standard household appliances/lights so the voltage coming out of the power outlets is 120V.

So I am hoping it is just a simple matter of plugging the valve in to control it fully?

If that is the case Ileana will have to wire up a standard household thee pin plug to the gray cable with the red/black/white wires.

 I take it the red/black/white wires are power/ground/neutral respectively? I'm not sure 100% sure from information I see on the pump so far, don't want to get that one wrong! ;)

Simon










On 05/07/2013 12:14 PM, Aleks Velhner wrote:

Hi Simon,

 

It appear to be so – two outlets independently controlled so yes, it could be used to control the valve.

 

Don’t have the details on Growtrinics but it must have some means of providing the control to the pumps. The pumps are 120V, so really, if there are no outputs on the growtronics you could use another remotely controllable power outlet. Same thing for the lighting (if it’s powered by 120V) or anything else. Then, what’s the Growtronics for, one would wonder,….other than connect to the outlet boxes and communicate to the world?

 

Aleks

 

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Hi Alex,

 

Trying to figure this one out. The controllable power outlets from Growtonics are two different outlets with their own controllers. We can turn power on/off remotely to each socket. So each outlet has its own built in relay. We were assuming we could turn the valve by switching the power on/off this way.

 

Can we not wire up and supply power directly to the pump via growtronics, and not have to put another controller system in?

 

Hope I am clear, if not let me know.

 

Simon

 

 

 

 

 

On Friday, 5 July 2013 09:18:50 UTC-10, Aleks Velhner wrote:

Yes. Just split the leads from the two outlets to the 3 pin connector on the valve with one lead being common for both. 

Aleks Velhner

CAN 778.882.0495

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On 2013-07-05, at 11:47 AM, Angelo Vermeulen <ang...@delaysnrf.ksc.nasa.gov> wrote:

We are using the Growtronix system with controllable power outlets http://www.growtronix.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=6 Is there any way we could connect regular plugs to the valve?

Cheers,
Angelo


On 7/5/2013 7:45 AM, Aleks Velhner wrote:

Angelo,

 

with a little effort, the valve can be hooked up to a timer (or two) but connecting it to the controller that does everything else in the setup, makes lot more sense. Then you have one point of control and flexibility to play with the timing locally or remotely. The controller must have two extra digital/discrete outputs that you can turn on/off with a simple program routine. It would also be the cheapest way to do it (no need for one or two timers and extra effort in wiring them in) 

With the valve I sent two relays (I think?) that can be used to interface the controller to the valve open/close inputs. The manual for the valve is also sent with the valve.

 

Attached is the connection diagram. Please let me know if you will need more info/clarification.

 

Aleks

 

 

 

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Angelo Vermeulen <ang...@delaysnrf.ksc.nasa.gov> wrote:

Hi Ileana,

Aleks just got back to me about the valve and referred to this thread on Google Groups: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/hi-seas-space-farm/_NweUwSFBMY

I was always assuming we would plug this valve into a regular plug-in timer, but that might not work. In any case, if it's not clear, please get in touch with Aleks through this mailing list or on avel...@gmail.com

Keep me posted! I hope we can get this to work soon.

Cheers,
Angelo


On 7/4/2013 4:27 PM, Ileana Argyris wrote:

Hi Angelo,

 

I secured the gazebo on Tuesday using stakes and the rope that was originally holding the gazebo down. 

 

The valve is a Georg Fischer EA11 with a Georg Fischer Ball Valve Type 546 attached to it. 

 

I'll check the light intensity when I go up tomorrow. I'll also move the lights further down. 

 

Thanks for the tip! I'll use it if we have to use more silicone. (:

 

Thanks,

Ileana

 

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Angelo Vermeulen <ang...@delaysnrf.ksc.nasa.gov> wrote:

Hi Ileana,

Thanks for the update! This surely helps. Some responses to the problems you encountered:

*Gazebo: originally we were gonna pour concrete in four buckets with a metal hook in each one of them. These could then be used to tie down each corner of the gazebo. Are those metal hooks/loops still around? Can you ask Paul/Henk for advice on how to secure the gazebo better?

*Wiring  the electric valve: I will ask Aleks to get in touch with you ASAP! Have you Googled the type of pump? Can you give me the specs (brand and type) so I can have a look myself as well. The sprinkler valve won't work because it  needs pressure.

*The lights might have to be moved a little closer to the spiral. If I remember correctly they're typically used at a distance of about 50 cm from the plants (but then then they would get in the way of the arm). Have you checked the light intensity with the gazebo fully closed. Any chance you get a hold of a light meter?

*One tip when you're using silicone-based glue. Keep a small glass with water and some washing up liquid handy. You can then dip in your fingers, and finish off the edges without getting sticky fingers.

Cheers,
Angelo

On 7/4/2013 11:01 AM, Ileana Argyris wrote:

Hi Angelo,

 

I went to the ranch on Tuesday and drilled the holes for the baskets. I drilled them every foot along the spiral. There are approximately 70 holes. On Tuesday I also glued the output system and took dimensions and secured the gazebo. It was really windy and looked like it would fly away!

 

I also went to the ranch yesterday and unfortunately I didn't get a chance to test the hydroponic system or attach the cameras.

 

I attached the lights to the canopy and built and installed the robot arm's platform. The robot arm's platform was set up so that the arm's level is at the same level as the top of the spiral. Yesterday I also placed baskets into the spiral. 

 

I didn't get the hydroponic system working yet because I honestly have no idea how to get the valve connected to electricity. I might just use the sprinkler valve for now until I understand how the valve is supposed to be hooked up.

 

Thanks,

 

Ileana 

On Monday, July 1, 2013 5:45:14 PM UTC-10, henk wrote:

Angelo,

 

I believe that this is the address I'm supposed to be using now, correct?

 

I'm assuming that you are looking to have a 30 minute wet-dry cycle for the plants or something like that. All you need to do it to lift the end of the tube slightly to get it to fill up with water (any more and the whole system will overflow through the plant holes anyway). I can think of a number of clever ways to do this. If this problem has not already been solved, let me know.

 

Henk

 

 

On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:13 AM, Angelo Vermeulen wrote:

Hi Ileana,

Thanks for your message! I can certainly use this for my science report! I already started, but I will include this new material tomorrow.

One additional question: how did you decide to create the 'barrier' inside the tube (to generate an ebb and flow system)?

Cheers,
Angelo

 

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Fantastic progress!

[Angelo Vermeulen]

This is great Ileana! Thank you so much!

Here's answers to your questions and some additional feedback.

*Spinach can indeed be difficult to germinate. I would just leave it as is. Maybe it'll germinate next week. I think it would be a good idea to start another tray with a week interval. Avoid the egg plant, tomato and spinach. In this way we can experiment with plants at different developmental stages. The seedlings look a little long and thin. Do they get enough light? Remember the manual that I sent you. As soon as the seeds germinate the dome needs to be removed, and as soon as the seedlings germinate you can put them in a bright spot (but not under the full sun the entire day).

*Keep the lights where they are. There might not be enough light yet, but lets start with a batch of plants first, and then draw conclusions.

*When to transplant the seedlings: as soon as the aquaponics system is up and running (ex. Growtronix and robot arm, those can be installed later)

*How to connect the space farm and the hab: you'll need a computer with Internet connection. I talked with Simon today, and we'll be using a remote desktop connection to use the video, Growtronix and robot arm software on that computer. You might want to ask Kim for support to get proper Internet running at the farm (she can talk to Paul etc.) I'm still waiting for news on how to get a hold of a new laptop.

*Your plan for next week sounds terrific! Looking forward :-)

Thanks again and enjoy your weekend!
Angelo

On 7/5/2013 7:40 PM, Ileana Argyris wrote:

Hi Angelo,

I've attached a picture of the seedlings and an updated spread sheet that shows if they have sprouted or not. Three of the Fordhook Chard and two of the Swiss Chard has sprouted. The Round Leaf Spinach has not sprouted at all. Should we use a different plant?

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Here's the connection diagram....

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Thanks very much Alex! Do you know when you are back in Hawaii or does work keep changing up on you?

Ileana, please let us know if you have problems wiring. Will do our best to help.

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[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Angelo,

I labeled all of the baskets using red for the cinder and yellow for the commercial substrate (I have yet to buy the commercial substrate). I alternated colors every other number for an even mix. 

There is a slight problem with the plants. Algae has started growing on the plugs and some bugs/spiders have started eating at the leaves. One of the swiss chard's stems was cut by an insect. :(

I plan on growing another batch of plants sometime in the next few days. I have yet to get more plugs. Tomorrow I plan to go to the ranch and do a water circulation test and check the placing of the cameras.

I tried testing the Growtronix system but you need to connect the system to a serial port. Kim has ordered a serial port to USB adapter and it should be on its way.

Thanks,

Ileana

[Angelo Vermeulen]

Thanks Ileana! Those darn insects! It might also be an indication that the plants are not in optimal shape. Have you added fertilizer/plant food to the water. They will need that. The sooner we can get water running in the spiral, the better. Have you been able to accomplish that? Can you wire the valve?

I hope all those last orders come in soon!

Thanks for the photos and keep us (closely) in the loop.

Cheers,
Angelo

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Angelo!

Today I set up the cameras at the ranch. The software I used to view the cameras is ispyconnect which enables you to view multiple cameras at a time as well as record and take pictures. I attached pictures of the program in use (which includes the current setup of the cameras). There is limited visibility with the cameras. It's impossible to capture everything. Let me know if you'd like me to adjust the camera angles. Keep in mind that there will also be a webcam on the arm.

The netbook that Kim loaned us gets two bars of wifi. During the testing of the webcams the poor netbook started overheating. :(

I wasn't able to accomplish the water test today. I'm hoping to get the valve wired before the test. 

I planted more seeds today. I will send pictures of them and an updated spreadsheet tomorrow. 

Thanks,

Ileana

[Simon Engler]

Looks great Illeana.

When is the new computer expecting to arrive? Will handle cameras a lot better than the poor netbook.

I'm surprised you even got 2 bars of wifi in that location. Something will have to be done to boost the signal in that area. Perhaps getting a router? You will have to ask someone on the ranch about this as I'm not sure how they have things set up there.

Does ispyconnect have any features that will help with remote viewing and control by any chance?

Have you been able to solve the wiring and power issues with the valve? If not, please let me know and I will try to give some better info.

Simon

[Angelo Vermeulen]

Great work again Ileana! I second Simon's message and questions. How do you suggest we view the camera images from here? Maybe also ask Kim to see if she can help getting things organized at the ranch.

Cheers,
Angelo

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Angelo and Simon,

I have not received the new computer yet. I'll keep an eye out for it. The laptop will most likely be Windows 8 so we'll need to change it to a Windows 7.

Here are some answers and updates:

We're getting a router to boost the signal at the ranch. 

ispyconnect can be accessed and controlled remotely but you have to subscribe to the service. It's $7.95 a month. If you're interested, here's their website.

As for connecting to the hab, I was wondering if remote desktop sharing would work? There are a few options to choose from that would allow the laptop at the ranch to run unattended. 

I did some research and TeamViewer and LogMeIn seem pretty promising. We could also remotely control the laptop using Window's Remote Desktop Connection. Any Windows computer can access the laptop but in order to allow remote access to the computer, the computer has to be running Windows 7 Enterprise, Ultimate or Professional. (Kind of costly).

If remote deskptop sharing won't work, I'll try to find another way to connect the hab and farm. 

I'm working on the valve right now and I'll let you know if I have questions. 

I attached a picture of the tray of newly planted seeds, the first tray of plants and an updated spreadsheet. 

The Spinach still hasn't sprouted.

Thanks,

Ileana

[Simon Engler]

Hi Illeana,

>>The laptop will most likely be Windows 8 so we'll need to change it to a Windows 7.

I picked out a computer that is supposed to have Windows 7 on it, so hopefully it will arrive like that.

>>We're getting a router to boost the signal at the ranch. 

Great!

>>ispyconnect can be accessed and controlled remotely but you have to subscribe to the service. It's $7.95 a month. If you're interested, here's >>their website.

Only a month of the mission left, so my vote is: why not! Might save us a lot of headaches.

>>As for connecting to the hab, I was wondering if remote desktop sharing would work? There are a few options to choose from that would >>allow  the laptop at the ranch to run unattended.

This is how I was originally planning on connecting, but I really don't know how well it will work. If we can do this without too much lag, then fantastic! We can do whatever works at the moment. Long term, I think the best way to tackle this project we should install Linux on the laptop and run Windows 7 programs in VMWare. We will have a lot more networking control that way.

>>I'm working on the valve right now and I'll let you know if I have questions.

Great! Please don't hesitate to ask, will help if I can or track down info for you.

Simon

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi all,
I just finished wiring the valve and it works like a charm!
I'm going to the ranch tomorrow to get the water working. I will also work on getting the robot arm set up this week.

I think having a lag when operating the arm is kind of inevitable. We should try remote desktop sharing and if it doesn't work, subscribe to ispyconnect so we can at least see the cameras.

Thanks,
Ileana

[Simon Engler]

Hi Ileana,

Great! I'm glad the valve went smoothly.

Yes, a bit of lag in the arm is expected. You also might be the
difference between a closed loop vs open loop control, which might
appear as lag. (it waits for instructions, then implements instead of an
analog controller)

However, the intension is to eventually have sets of coordinated moves
coded into it instead of directly controlling like you are doing now. No
big deal.

When you have an idea of when you want to try to remote desktop connect
let me know. No idea how well that will go, so I got my bets on the
ispyconnect at the moment. ;)

Also, do you have the growtronics programs? Can I download those? If
they are on cdrom, please get a copy to us via dropbox.

Simon

[Aleks Velhner]

Hi lleana,

Presently I'm at the ranch staying in one of the apartments in the shop and will be working on the battery. We'll probably cross our paths when you arrive and we can talk how/what I can help you with. Staying here till 24th. 

Cheers,

Aleks Velhner

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[Angelo Vermeulen]

That is terrific news! Welcome back Aleks! Hope we can finally connect the farm to the hab this week! :-)

Cheers,
Angelo

[Angelo Vermeulen]

Hi Illeana,

Could you let us know when you're planning to set up the remote desktop?
We want to try and establish a connection between the farm and the hab asap.

Cheers,
Angelo

[Angelo Vermeulen]

Water circulation and robot arm operation would be great! Looking forward to new updates :-)

Cheers,
Angelo

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Angelo and Simon,

Today I attached the valve to the system and put water into the tube. I also met two very interesting people. ;) 

I'm letting the water in the spiral sit for the night so I can see if there are any leaks before proceeding. The growtronix system is in working condition now that the USB to serial port is in. The internet issue will be resolved this week. I'll work on getting a connection set up.

The new seeds are growing extremely well. As expected the chard is taking a little longer to grow, but they are growing! 

Simon, 

The Growtronix software can be downloaded at www.tronixindustries.com/download

The username and password is:

username: user-1833

password: gt-4133

Thanks,

Ileana

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi all,

I have some more great news. The new laptop came in!

Ileana

[Kim Binsted]

Hi Ileana,

The bits and pieces that came to my address last week should now be at
the ranch, too.

Kim.

On 7/16/2013 2:36 PM, Ileana Argyris wrote:
> Hi all,
>

> I have some more great news. The new laptop came in!
>
> Ileana
>
> On Jul 15, 2013 10:30 PM, "Ileana Argyris" <argyris...@gmail.com

> <mailto:argyris...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Angelo and Simon,
>
> Today I attached the valve to the system and put water into the
> tube. I also met two very interesting people. ;)
>
> I'm letting the water in the spiral sit for the night so I can see
> if there are any leaks before proceeding. The growtronix system is
> in working condition now that the USB to serial port is in. The
> internet issue will be resolved this week. I'll work on getting a
> connection set up.
>
> The new seeds are growing extremely well. As expected the chard is
> taking a little longer to grow, but they are growing!
>
> Simon,
>
> The Growtronix software can be downloaded at
> www.tronixindustries.com/download

> <http://www.tronixindustries.com/download>

>
> The username and password is:
> username: user-1833
> password: gt-4133
>
> Thanks,
> Ileana
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Angelo Vermeulen
> <ang...@delaysnrf.ksc.nasa.gov

> <mailto:ang...@delaysnrf.ksc.nasa.gov>> wrote:
>
> Water circulation and robot arm operation would be great!
> Looking forward to new updates :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Angelo
>
>
>
> On 7/14/2013 4:59 PM, Ileana Argyris wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I just finished wiring the valve and it works like a charm!
>> I'm going to the ranch tomorrow to get the water working. I
>> will also work on getting the robot arm set up this week.
>>
>> I think having a lag when operating the arm is kind of
>> inevitable. We should try remote desktop sharing and if it
>> doesn't work, subscribe to ispyconnect so we can at least see
>> the cameras.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ileana
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2013 6:16 PM, "Simon Engler"

>> <simon....@gmail.com <mailto:simon....@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Illeana,
>>
>> >>The laptop will most likely be Windows 8 so we'll need
>> to change it to a Windows 7.
>> I picked out a computer that is supposed to have Windows 7
>> on it, so hopefully it will arrive like that.
>>
>> >>We're getting a router to boost the signal at the ranch.
>> Great!
>>
>> >>ispyconnect can be accessed and controlled remotely but
>> you have to subscribe to the service. It's $7.95 a month.
>> If you're interested, here's >>their website

>> <http://www.ispyconnect.com/>.

>>> <http://www.ispyconnect.com/>.

>>>
>>> As for connecting to the hab, I was wondering if remote
>>> desktop sharing would work? There are a few options to
>>> choose from that would allow the laptop at the ranch to
>>> run unattended.
>>>
>>> I did some research and TeamViewer and LogMeIn seem
>>> pretty promising. We could also remotely control the
>>> laptop using Window's Remote Desktop Connection. Any
>>> Windows computer can access the laptop but in order to
>>> allow remote access to the computer, the computer has to
>>> be running Windows 7 Enterprise, Ultimate or
>>> Professional. (Kind of costly).
>>>
>>> If remote deskptop sharing won't work, I'll try to find
>>> another way to connect the hab and farm.
>>>
>>> I'm working on the valve right now and I'll let you know
>>> if I have questions.
>>>
>>> I attached a picture of the tray of newly planted seeds,
>>> the first tray of plants and an updated spreadsheet.
>>> The Spinach still hasn't sprouted.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ileana
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Angelo Vermeulen
>>> <ang...@delaysnrf.ksc.nasa.gov

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It looks like we have everything in place then! Keep us posted!

Cheers,
Angelo

[Angelo Vermeulen]

Hi Ileana,

Thanks for getting everything in place! As soon as the hydroponics water circulation is working, please start transfering plants. Once that's done, the Growtronix system can be properly integrated. Did you already send me photos/overview of the new seedlings?

As soon as the Internet connection is properly working lets focus on getting a webcam view in the hab here, and remote-operating the robot arm. When do you think you will be able to start operating the arm at the ranch?

Cheers,
Angelo

PS: Who are the two very interesting people?

On 7/15/2013 10:30 PM, Ileana Argyris wrote:

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Angelo,

The two very interesting people I met were Aleks and Henk. (: 

There should be pictures and a spreadsheet of the new seedlings. I'll send an updated spreadsheet tomorrow morning.

I discussed remote connection with Aleks today and he suggested using LogMeIn. I tested LogMeIn as well as TeamViewer (two different remote desktop viewing software) and it seems that TeamViewer operates with less lag. They are both free to use. All we need to do now is to create an account and establish the connection. Should I make a gmail specifically for the Space Farm? I think it would make things easier and allow us to keep all the accounts in one place.

I set up the new laptop with ispyconnect, the Growtronix software, the robotic arm software and TeamViewer. The robot arm couldn't be tested today because the parts that arrived at Kim's weren't at the new workshop. Aleks is following up on this. 

I drained the water out of the spiral today and it took about 30 minutes. There was also a leak but I fixed it up. The water wasn't completely drained after 30 minutes--there was still about an inch of water left in the spiral and the water flow out of the tube was a slow drip. I still need to find the filter for the water pump and buy hydroponic substrate so we can start the water cycles. 

That's all I have for today! 

Thanks,

Ileana

[Angelo Vermeulen]

Always fantastic reports from you. So glad you joined the project. Proud of all your work :-)

Please make the following Gmail address: spacefar...@gmail.com [I might develop space farm systems for other projects too]
You choose a password
For the name of the account you could choose: Space Farm HI-SEAS [I hope it will accept that]

We're so close to establishing a connection! Very excited.

Curious for the new photos and spreadsheet. Talk more soon.

Cheers,
Angelo

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Angelo,

Today I cleaned out the spiral of debris. There were many spiders as well as shavings from when I made the holes for the baskets. The spiral is a lot cleaner than it was before. 

I hooked the water pump up and tested the ebb and flow. It takes 9 minutes to fill the spiral with the water pump and it takes 30 minutes to drain the water. However when filled, the water level is not equal at all areas. I suspect that has to do with the wire mesh that was in place. After settling for a few minutes the water does reach up to fill the baskets (still uneven though).

I made the Gmail address and the TeamViewer remote connection is almost ready to be tested (the internet is being set up this weekend I believe).

Thanks,

Ileana

[Angelo Vermeulen]

That sounds great. I was about to ask you when we can test the connection. In about three weeks HI-SEAS is over, so we don't have much time left. Our Internet access will be entirely blocked from Saturday onwards. Will ask for an exception for the urls needed for the window farm.

Who will take care of the Internet set up at the ranch?

Cheers,
Angelo

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Angelo,

Paul is helping us with the internet connection. We haven't been able to test the arm yet because the parts have not arrived at the new workshop. Hopefully we'll have it tomorrow so we can set things up.

Thanks,
Ileana

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Angelo and Simon,

To log into TeamViewer you go to https://login.teamviewer.com/Account/LogOn and sign in with your credentials.

Email: spacefar...@gmail.com

Password: hiseas2013

From there you press the button to connect. You can either download TeamViewer or use the web client to control the computer. The quality is a lot better if you download the client rather than use the web client. The quality of the cameras are better and there is less lag.

Thanks,

Ileana

[Simon Engler]

Hi Ileana,

I have everything set up on my end. Looks the the computer is not up
on yours at the moment Are you at the ranch today?

When is a good time to try this?

Simon



On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Ileana Argyris

[Angelo Vermeulen]

We're in the middle of getting ready to get cut off from the Internet from tomorrow onwards. I'll ask to excempt the TeamViewer website. I'll talk with Simon and hopefully we can test the connection this afternoon!

Cheers,
Angelo

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Simon and Angelo,

I am at the ranch right now transplanting plants. I'll set up the computer right now so you can see the plants. (:

Thanks,
Ileana

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Angelo,

I updated the plant inventory to show which plants were transplanted and which plants from the second batch have sprouted. The commercial substrate I used was Gold Label Hydrocorn. It's basically just clay pebbles. The lady at the hydroponic store recommended it. I've attached pictures of the cinder and Hydrocorn.

The computer at the ranch has no internet at the moment so we can't access it remotely. The lights, valve and water pump are on a schedule at the moment. The lights turn on at 6:40am and turn off again at 6:40pm. The spiral drains from 6:00am to 6:30am and fills again from 6:30am-6:39am and repeats the process every 12 hours. I'll check on the system on Monday and make changes as needed.

I've also attached a picture of the placement of the cameras for your reference. 

What nutrients should I get for use with the nutrient pumps? 

Thanks,

Ileana

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi everyone,

The past few days I have been working on the Growtronix system. I set up a few parts last Friday and I thought we could control it remotely. However, when I went back to the ranch this week, the system hadn't ran the controls that I had sent it remotely (when the internet was working). At first I was worried that the controllable power outlets had been overloaded but everything worked fine when I restarted the server.

I set up all of the sensors but some of them aren't reading correctly. I'll have more information about this tomorrow. 

A question I had was: what nutrients are we going to use? 

I talked to the people at the hydroponics store and they suggested using General Hydroponics' Maxigrow. Maxigrow is a 10-5-14 mixture. We would only need Maxigrow since we're growing lettuce and don't have any blooming plants. Maxigrow is also pH buffered so we wouldn't have to worry too much about the pH. It's also one of the cheapest.

Thanks,

Ileana

[Angelo Vermeulen]

Hi Ileana, thx for the update! I was wondering how things were running. A bit more than two weeks and the mission is over! I hope we can still do some more remote testing.

Yes, the Maxigrow sounds good. Let's use that!

What are your plan for Thursday and Friday?

Cheers,
Angelo

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi all,

I got a booster for the internet, so it should work better now. Teamviewer is not working at the moment, probably because when I was leaving the ranch they were working on the ranch's electricity and there was no power. The arm is not connected to the computer yet, but it does work. Planning to hook it up tomorrow! 

Thanks,

Ileana

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Angelo Vermeulen <ang...@delaysnrf.ksc.nasa.gov> wrote:

Simon, here's the login info for TeamViewer.

Kim, Simon just requested exemption for https://login.teamviewer.com/
I will do the same. However, Sian experienced a problem when the first part of the URLs on a specific domain change while going through subpages. We might have a similar situation here [for example after logging in the URL might change to https://view.teamviewer.com/] Could you please log on with the info below and see if that's the case? And if so, also exempt those pages? I hope this is clear.

Cheers,
Angelo

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Subject:	Re: [HI-SEAS space farm] Updates
Date:	Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:38:32 -1000
From:	Ileana Argyris <argyris...@gmail.com>
To:	Angelo Vermeulen <ang...@delaysnrf.ksc.nasa.gov>
CC:	hi-seas-s...@googlegroups.com <hi-seas-s...@googlegroups.com>

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Simon,

I'm pretty sure that you would just need to connect to TeamViewer. The software for the arm is installed on the laptop at the ranch. 

Thanks,

Ileana

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Kim Binsted <bin...@hawaii.edu> wrote:

Thanks, Angelo. Yes, it's clear. Please let me know if you still have problems logging in. btw, if I understand correctly, you don't need to make individual requests - if I whitelist a domain, it should be good for everyone ("cached").

Thanks,

Kim.

On 7/31/2013 5:41 PM, Angelo Vermeulen wrote:

Simon, here's the login info for TeamViewer.

Kim, Simon just requested exemption for https://login.teamviewer.com/

<https://login.teamviewer.com/Account/LogOn>

I will do the same. However, Sian experienced a problem when the first
part of the URLs on a specific domain change while going through
subpages. We might have a similar situation here [for example after
logging in the URL might change to https://view.teamviewer.com/

<https://login.teamviewer.com/Account/LogOn>] Could you please log on

with the info below and see if that's the case? And if so, also exempt
those pages? I hope this is clear.

Cheers,
Angelo


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Subject:        Re: [HI-SEAS space farm] Updates
Date:   Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:38:32 -1000
From:   Ileana Argyris <argyris...@gmail.com>
To:     Angelo Vermeulen <ang...@delaysnrf.ksc.nasa.gov>

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Hi Angelo and Simon,

To log into TeamViewer you go to
https://login.teamviewer.com/Account/LogOn and sign in with your
credentials.

Email: spacefar...@gmail.com <mailto:spacefarm.hiseas@gmail.com>

Password: hiseas2013

 From there you press the button to connect. You can either download
TeamViewer or use the web client to control the computer. The quality is
a lot better if you download the client rather than use the web client.
The quality of the cameras are better and there is less lag.

Thanks,
Ileana


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Ileana Argyris

<argyris...@gmail.com <mailto:argyris.ileana@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Hi Angelo,

    Paul is helping us with the internet connection. We haven't been
    able to test the arm yet because the parts have not arrived at the
    new workshop. Hopefully we'll have it tomorrow so we can set things up.

    Thanks,
    Ileana

    On Jul 18, 2013 11:27 PM, "Angelo Vermeulen"
    <ang...@delaysnrf.ksc.nasa.gov

        <mailto:ang...@delaysnrf.ksc.nasa.gov>> wrote:

            Always fantastic reports from you. So glad you joined the
            project. Proud of all your work :-)

            Please make the following Gmail address:
            spacefar...@gmail.com

            <mailto:spacefarm.hiseas@gmail.com> [I might develop space

            farm systems for other projects too]
            You choose a password
            For the name of the account you could choose: Space Farm
            HI-SEAS [I hope it will accept that]

            We're so close to establishing a connection! Very excited.

            Curious for the new photos and spreadsheet. Talk more soon.

            Cheers,
            Angelo



            On 7/16/2013 7:51 PM, Ileana Argyris wrote:

            Hi Angelo,

            The two very interesting people I met were Aleks and
            Henk. (:

            There should be pictures and a spreadsheet of the new
            seedlings. I'll send an updated spreadsheet tomorrow morning.

            I discussed remote connection with Aleks today and he
            suggested using LogMeIn. I tested LogMeIn as well as

            TeamViewer <http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx> (two

            different remote desktop viewing software) and it seems
            that TeamViewer operates with less lag. They are both
            free to use. All we need to do now is to create an

            account and establish the connection. _Should I make a
            gmail specifically for the Space Farm?_ I think it would

            make things easier and allow us to keep all the accounts
            in one place.

            I set up the new laptop with ispyconnect, the Growtronix
            software, the robotic arm software and TeamViewer. The
            robot arm couldn't be tested today because the parts that
            arrived at Kim's weren't at the new workshop. Aleks is
            following up on this.

            I drained the water out of the spiral today and it took
            about 30 minutes. There was also a leak but I fixed it
            up. The water wasn't completely drained after 30
            minutes--there was still about an inch of water left in
            the spiral and the water flow out of the tube was a slow
            drip. I still need to find the filter for the water pump
            and buy hydroponic substrate so we can start the water
            cycles.

            That's all I have for today!

            Thanks,
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Hi Ileana, lookig forward to testing the arm and the Growtronix software tomorrow! Could you please let us know at what hours you plan to be at the ranch on Thurday and Friday. We know when we can in touch then.

Thanks!

Cheers,
Angelo

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[Ileana Argyris]

Hi all,

When I plugged the servo sequencer into the arm, the preprogrammed program did not run correctly. When plugged in and given power the hand only twitches. I know the arm itself works when the chip is not plugged in because I tested it yesterday with the controller.

When I took the chip out of its package a few of the pins were bent. I'm not sure if that would cause any problems.

Best,
Ileana

On Aug 1, 2013 2:24 PM, "Ileana Argyris" <argyris...@gmail.com> wrote:

Trouble shooting right now! Will get back to you when everything is ready.

Great! We are connected and can see you working on it.


On 01/08/2013 1:15 PM, Ileana Argyris wrote:

There is power now! So the computer should be up. (:

On Aug 1, 2013 1:00 PM, "Ileana Argyris" <argyris...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm at the ranch now but there's no power.

On Aug 1, 2013 12:43 PM, "Angelo Vermeulen" <ang...@delaysnrf.ksc.nasa.gov> wrote:

Hey Ileana, please update us about your times at the ranch so we coordinate things.

Thanks!
Angelo

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Date:	Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:55:02 -1000
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To:	Ileana Argyris <argyris...@gmail.com>
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[Aleks Velhner]

Ileana,

Be careful when handling the chip. Static electricity can kill it. Ground your hands by grabbing an appliance or some metal object that is grounded. 

Aleks Velhner

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[Angelo Vermeulen]

A chip with bent pins sounds like a bad situation. Could you send us
close-up photos of both the chip (with it's bent pins clearly visible)
and the socket for it?

Cheers,
Angelo

[Ileana Argyris]

I bent the chips back to plug the chip in. I connected the chip to the laptop without it being connected to the arm and it blinked yellow once and that was it. The computer did not recognize the chip.

Also, I just left the ranch.

Best,
Ileana

[Angelo Vermeulen]

Any photos? Of the chip and the current setup? That would help a lot.

Cheers,
Angelo

[Ileana Argyris]

I'll take some tomorrow morning and send them to you asap. 

Best,

Ileana

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Angelo,

Here are the pictures you requested. 

Thanks,

Ileana

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[Ileana Argyris]

Here's a video I took of how the arm acts with the chip installed. 

[Simon Engler]

Hi Ileana,

From what I understand, the manual controller you have, and the servo chip controller are two different animals.

3.2.3 Control Signal Input

"... If the Servo Sequencer board has been installed, it will be necessary to remove it before sending command signals into the Master Control Port (MCP). For pinout of the MCP, see 4.3. Failure to do this may result in strange and unexpected operation and may damage the Sequencer and / or PC or other signal source. See section 3.2.2.1 for removal instructions.....

CAUTION: Never supply signals to the Master Control Port with the Servo Sequencer installed."

I understand this to be that you should disconnect the manual controller we sent you as they may be overlapping signals.

You certainly may have made sure to do this already, but this is the first thing that comes to my mind.

If not, anything else you can tell us that might help me understand what the issue might be?

Simon

[Angelo Vermeulen]

Hi Ileana, any news on this?
A

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Angelo and Simon,

I made sure to take out the chip when I was testing the arm with the manual controller.

I don't know what could be causing this problem but I will continue to research it. I'm considering getting another chip.

Best,
Ileana

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[Simon Engler]

Hm, we have to figure out if it is a software issue or an issue with the card itself.

The card is supposed to be able to take the arm through a number of motions on its own with out being hooked up to a PC. If it can do that, then it is definitely not a card problem. Did you try to run the Pre-installed Demo program? (3.2.2.1 Pre-Installed Demo Program)

Another option is to have myself log in via teamviewer and see if I can get the robot talking to the computer, or at least see if the servo sequencer is talking.

We can also try to seek some advice from the manufacturer once we rule out a hardware/software problem.

Simon

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[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Simon,

The pre-installed demo program is supposed to run immediately after the arm is powered with the chip installed. All the arm does when powered up with the chip installed is open its hand a little and twist to the side. 

Thanks,

Ileana

[Simon Engler]

Okay, something is odd.

Collin, could you provide some direction for Ileana? The robot is all set up. It won't even go through the demo movements that are supposed to be on the servo controller when the arm is powered up. Could you please help her trouble shoot?

From a previous email from Collin:

"

HI,

The simplest way to get going is to use the cable and connect it to the output channels (6) of the Maestro Servo Sequencer. You will need to connect it to 12VDC power as well.  Keep it (the maestro) external to the arm so you can plug in the usb to your pc to get it programmed. You will need to load the control software from Pololu. Look for a link for windows drivers. Here is a link to the page:

http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1350/resources

There is also a manual for the maestro at this link.

-Collin

"

Simon

[Ileana Argyris]

Hi Angelo,

Here's the updated spreadsheet of the plants. (I really ought to transfer this into Google docs)

Also, some pictures!

Thanks,

Ileana 

[Simon Engler]

Hi Ileana,

I'm not sure if we will hear back from Collin or not.

If you are at the ranch tomorrow, I can try to control the robot remotely if you hook the USB up to the computer. I will try and see if I can tell if the board is talking or not.

There is the possibility that the demo program was wiped from the memory of the servo board. If that is the case, we should be able to reload it and get it working again.

Failing that, it maybe a hardware problem and the jig is up. We will have to complete the experiment by maybe filming you manually controlling the robot following our directions remotely. That will be the best we can do for now.

Simon

[Angelo Vermeulen]

Fingers crossed..
A

On 8/2/2013 11:32 PM, Simon Engler wrote:
> Hi Ileana,
>

[Angelo Vermeulen]

Thanks so much! If you can also make some photos of the plants next time
you're on the ranch, that would be great!

Cheers,
Angelo

[Simon Engler]

Hi Collin,

Ileana managed to get the arm connected and we were even able to connect and remote operate from the habitat. Thanks very much for your support. We will run a few experiments before the end of the mission. The space farm will likely continue to evolve over the next year before the second HI-SEAS mission. We hope to be able to grow crops remotely by then.

Simon

On 03/08/2013 2:16 AM, Collin Lewis wrote:

Folks,

I believe the Maestro shipped separately from the ARM and would therefore not have had a program on it.

To start controlling the ARM from a PC,  you will need to load the drivers from:

 

http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1350/resources

 

Also grab the users guide while on that page. It will take you through the entire programming process.

 

Since you have the RC connector cable for the ARM, I would attach it to the back of the ARM and then connect the RC style connectors to the Maestro and then connect the Maestro via usb to your pc. In this configuration, the Maestro board will power from your PC. Once you have the drivers loaded and open the program utility, you will see a GUI like this:

After you connect, you will have full servo control.

Start with everything disabled and bring the gripper online first by clicking the check box. Once you are comfortable with it, bring the wrist online, etc.

-Collin