Energy Question
demibee
it being talked about on a show about energy alternatives, and I can't,
for the life of me, imagine how it would work.
db
JD
"demibee" <dem...@post.com> wrote in message
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Information is simply a representation of energy; just an intepretation of
it. American Scientific had an article last year about the information
universe; that the amount of information that could be represented by our
universe determines the amount of energy in it.
Since information is only a code or representation, and only information if
understood by the receiver, I can't see how it could be converted to energy.
However, the energy carrying information is still energy and could be used
directly; making it do double duty so to speak. That is already done on the
power grid in some places. A small digital signal is mixed with the
high-power 60 Hz signal. The power is supplied to users as per normal, and
when the 60 Hz is filtered out, the digital signal remains and can be used
to control machinery connected to the grid.
James Warren
Information is related to probability of events. When an event with probability
of p occurs the amount of information, in bits, received is -log2(p). There is no
way to get energy from that.
--
jw (a.k.a. Nagilum)
James Warren
> if information = energy it follows that if information = knowledge
> and energy = power than knowledge = power, that is to say a sufficient
> amount of knowledge in one place will warp space around it. This
> logically extends to the point that at a certain point an exit out of
> this universe may be formed (i.e. "black hole") which may act as a
> doorway into another universe. This explains how it is possible to get
> lost in large libraries.
>
> Of course this is all complete nonsence, it clearly fails to explain
> missing socks at all.
>
> H.
Socks are created as complementary pairs. If a sock hears an uncomplementary
remark, it disappears, leaving only its complement.
--
jw (a.k.a. Nagilum)
Browser
Let me try. Can rocks be converted into music?
Al Smith
> if information = energy it follows that if information = knowledge
> and energy = power than knowledge = power, that is to say a sufficient
> amount of knowledge in one place will warp space around it. This
> logically extends to the point that at a certain point an exit out of
> this universe may be formed (i.e. "black hole") which may act as a
> doorway into another universe. This explains how it is possible to get
> lost in large libraries.
>
> Of course this is all complete nonsence, it clearly fails to explain
> missing socks at all.
>
> H.
Makes sense to me. But then, I've had too much rum-soaked fruitcake.
-Al-
Al Smith
I counted my odd socks the other day. Nine. Nine odd socks. God
only knows what happened to their pairs. I keep the orphans
because I keep hoping beyond hope that the strays will come home
again.
-Al-
Rick Walker
"Al Smith" wrote:
>
> I counted my odd socks the other day. Nine. Nine odd socks. God only knows
> what happened to their pairs. I keep the orphans because I keep hoping
> beyond hope that the strays will come home again.
>
Odd socks - good thing we buy the el-cheapos, Al. :) I keep tossing the
"odd" ones back into the hamper, hoping they'll meet their match one day.
axemen99
I would like to convert the fart to warm up the house.
JD
"Al Smith" <inv...@address.com> wrote in message
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You actually eat fruitcake? I always thought they were meant to punish
relatives.
demibee
> You must be joking, but I'm not even getting a hint at the punch line.
Hey, I'm just askin'! ;) I'm not the one who suggested the idea... saw it
on an alternative-energy doc.
> Let me try. Can rocks be converted into music?
Yes. Some maracas are filled with them.
db
demibee
> I would like to convert the fart to warm up the house.
There's probably someone out there working on that ;)
db
Brian Smith
>
> You actually eat fruitcake? I always thought they were meant to punish
> relatives.
The one good thing about fruitcake is that there is no expiry or best
before date, they never go bad and can easily outlast any living
creature as doorstops or tire chocks.
JD
"Brian Smith" <Hal...@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
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Yeah. I think I still have two in the basement that were made by my great
grandmother. She died 40 years ago.
JD
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:07:52 -0800, axemen99 wrote:
>
>> I would like to convert the fart to warm up the house.
>
> There's probably someone out there working on that ;)
>
Biogas is already a reality. Extraction is a bit of an issue though...
If they could solve that, you could run cars on it too.
Ice Age
>
> Biogas is already a reality. Extraction is a bit of an issue though...
>
> If they could solve that, you could run cars on it too.
JD, do you seriously there is potential to run cars on farts?
Really? Theoretically I will concede methane is a fuel, but come on!
Ice!
JD
"Ice Age" <ice_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Ummm... natural gas is mostly methane and cars run fine on it.
Ice Age
>
> Ummm... natural gas is mostly methane and cars run fine on it.
Yes, and do you fart enough in a week to get a vechile from Halfax
to Truro, for example? How would you collect it? In a plastic bag every
time you get the urge and then squeeze the contents into a larger
container, and ultimately have your week's worth of fart gas compressed
into a cylinder like acetylene? That's be great! "Gee Honey, can you
you pause the TV 'cuz I gotta let rip into this bag and then transfer it
to a bigger bag?"
It ain't practice.
Ice!
JD
In the line of making fun (the original line seemed to be delivered that
way)... I believe I said that earlier in the thread. Do you have issues
with comprehension or something?
Ice Age
>
> In the line of making fun (the original line seemed to be delivered that
> way)... I believe I said that earlier in the thread. Do you have issues
> with comprehension or something?
No, I think it is silly to suggest that farts can power
automobiles, JD.
Ice!
JD
Good for you.
Rick Walker
"Ice Age" wrote:
>
> No, I think it is silly to suggest that farts can power
> automobiles, JD.
>
They seem to keep my couch in proper working order. :)
Brian Smith
>
> Yeah. I think I still have two in the basement that were made by my
> great grandmother. She died 40 years ago.
She will live on forever in her fruitcakes.
James Warren
I will never happen Al. You're a nasty fellow who is always uttering
uncomplementary remarks. You are just going to accumulate more odd socks.
--
jw (a.k.a. Nagilum)
Al Smith
My sister bought me a good pair of socks for Christmas. One pair
-- over $22! They're just socks.
-Al-
Al Smith
I believe a Mr. Garrison of South Park, Colorado, solved the
extraction issue.
-Al-
Al Smith
What's not to love about fruitcake? It's got nuts in it. And cherries.
-Al-
JD
Indeed. South park can't be any worse than some of the other ideas. I
still figure that the person who can figure out how to run cars on dogshit
will be a millionaire.
JD
It tastes like sawdust soaked in rum with chewy bits that pass for cherries
(who eats green cherries). If they are big enough they do make good spare
tires though.
Ice Age
>
> Good for you.
Good for you too, JD. Anyone who suggests farts as a source of
energy is well . . . whatever. Not practical, at the very most.
Ice!
JD
I don't believe anyone suggested it. You really should read the thread
before you fire off half-cocked.
Ice Age
>
> I don't believe anyone suggested it. You really should read the thread
> before you fire off half-cocked.
You were the one who suggested farts, not me. If you have changed your
mind, what can I say? Don't fart?
Ice!
Al Smith
So that's how it works. No wonder so many one-legged pirates are
foul-mouthed.
-Al-
Al Smith
Ah, you buy the round ones. I get the ones shaped like the lunar
obelisk in 2001.
-Al-
James Warren
Now you're catching on!
--
jw (a.k.a. Nagilum)
Al Smith
Why not just run them on dogs? Install little wheels for the dogs
to run on. Its a win-win. We get green transportation, and you
know how much dogs love being in the car.
-Al-
-Al-
Mike Spencer
Al Smith wrote:
> I counted my odd socks the other day. Nine. Nine odd socks. God only
> knows what happened to their pairs. I keep the orphans because I
> keep hoping beyond hope that the strays will come home again.
Hey, I though you were a very practical-type guy. You just buy N
pairs of identical socks. The value of N is determined by the amount
of the week's walking-around money and the size of your sock drawer
but should be greater than 3. If, later, you encounter an odd number
of socks, just wait. When another one disappears, you'll be okay
again. Self-correcting problem.
--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
Rick Walker
"Mike Spencer" wrote:
>
> Hey, I though you were a very practical-type guy. You just buy N
> pairs of identical socks. The value of N is determined by the amount
> of the week's walking-around money and the size of your sock drawer
> but should be greater than 3. If, later, you encounter an odd number
> of socks, just wait. When another one disappears, you'll be okay
> again. Self-correcting problem.
>
This N sock idea's caught my attention - the problem is that if you buy 3
pair, the replacement pair you buy after the second sock is lost probably
won't match the remaining two pair. At first you'll think "That's alright,
I can tell the difference"... but the reason the "N pairs of identical
socks" idea was implemented was to eliminate that confusion.
But Mike, you're on to something. Greater than 3 could mean a dozen pair,
all the same and all bought at the same time. You'd be a year or more
before you had to replace socks.
You could switch from black to blue for the next dozen, then change back to
black in another couple of years!
(I haven't forgotten to e-mail you Mike.)
Rick
Brian Smith
>
> Hey, I though you were a very practical-type guy. You just buy N
> pairs of identical socks. The value of N is determined by the amount
> of the week's walking-around money and the size of your sock drawer
> but should be greater than 3. If, later, you encounter an odd number
> of socks, just wait. When another one disappears, you'll be okay
> again. Self-correcting problem.
It's stupid for someone who claims to buy his socks at the dollar store
to hold on to odd socks.
Al Smith
Brilliant. I should buy 20 identical suits also, so that I would
never have to waste time trying to pick out what to wear.
-Al-
Al Smith
Wouldn't it be simpler just to dip one's bare feet into navy-blue
dye up to the ankles?
-Al-
Al Smith
They have sentimental attachment. Some of them have been in the
family for years.
-Al-
JD
Read it slowly Ice Age.... I... don't... believe... anyone... suggested...
it. Please read the thread from the beginning. You'll find it easier to
understand.
JD
hate walking in that stuff. It would be hard to get out at a red light with
your little baggie.
JD
Shape makes 'em taste different? I don't buy them so much as inherit them.
JD
"Mike Spencer" <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote in message
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That's what I do. I have many sets of white socks, and many sets of black
socks. They are all the same size and brand. I only ever have one odd sock
of each colour at most.
demibee
> That's what I do. I have many sets of white socks, and many sets of
> black socks. They are all the same size and brand. I only ever have
> one odd sock of each colour at most.
Me too... I don't even bother folding them... just stuff 'em all in a
drawer :)
db
James Warren
Strangely enough, this is the solution I have adopted. :)
--
jw (a.k.a. Nagilum)
James Warren
Me too. They're all wrinkled crinkled but who cares. Who notices socks anyway.
--
jw (a.k.a. Nagilum)
Mike Spencer
Al Smith wrote:
> Brilliant. I should buy 20 identical suits also, so that I would
> never have to waste time trying to pick out what to wear.
Not brilliant, just obvious. Since I'm a gardener, weldor,
blacksmith, sculptor, millwright and mechanic, nearly everything I do
gets me at least soiled and often quite dirty. Clean clothes commence
to *look* filthy an hour after I put them on -- garden soil, a bit of
grease, soot etc. -- and and soon acquire faint stains that make them
look soiled straight from the washing machine. It finally dawned on me
that black wouldn't show either slight soil or faint stains. So I
bought a whole drawer full of black jeans and black work shirts. Now
I can go the whole day looking sharp. (If I'm feeling especially
lazy, I can go a lot longer before dirt begins to show. :-) So now I
wear black almost all the time. And my party shirts, blue jeans and
such don't get permanently stained early on.
OTOH: for ten tears or so I spent a few weeks every year hanging out
in a far-from-here high-tech environment, academics all over,
programmers, engineers, mathematicians, media techs etc. etc. One guy
wore the same red tie every day. And, you know, people *talked* about
him. They thought this was weird and spooky. Huh. Some time later,
when I heard that this guy had screwed up badly and been fired, I drew
an unlabeled cartoon of a guy with a red tie and the right kind of
glasses and sent it off to my friends there. And they all recognized
him, just from the tie.
So YMMV, but as you say, why waste time trying to pick out what to
wear?
Rick Walker
"James Warren" wrote:
>
> Who notices socks anyway.
>
Apparently people who read a thread called "Energy Question", James! :)
Al Smith
> Al Smith wrote:
>
>> Brilliant. I should buy 20 identical suits also, so that I would
>> never have to waste time trying to pick out what to wear.
>
> Not brilliant, just obvious. Since I'm a gardener, weldor,
> blacksmith, sculptor, millwright and mechanic, nearly everything I do
> gets me at least soiled and often quite dirty. Clean clothes commence
> to *look* filthy an hour after I put them on -- garden soil, a bit of
> grease, soot etc. -- and and soon acquire faint stains that make them
> look soiled straight from the washing machine. It finally dawned on me
> that black wouldn't show either slight soil or faint stains. So I
> bought a whole drawer full of black jeans and black work shirts. Now
> I can go the whole day looking sharp. (If I'm feeling especially
> lazy, I can go a lot longer before dirt begins to show. :-) So now I
> wear black almost all the time. And my party shirts, blue jeans and
> such don't get permanently stained early on.
>
As a practical question, don't you have problems with danderuff?
Black shows danderuff. Not to mention salt stains from sweat.
-Al-
Al Smith
Socks are a fashion statement.
-Al-
Mike Spencer
me> So I bought a whole drawer full of black jeans and black work
me> shirts. Now I can go the whole day looking sharp.
Al Smith replied:
> As a practical question, don't you have problems with danderuff?
> Black shows danderuff.
Had. Nizoral returned me to sartorial elegance. If you have a
chronic dandruff problem, consider Nizoral shampoo, active ingredient
ketoconazole. Upstages all the tar-, selenium-, zinc- and
sulfur-based nostrums by actually working. (Don't drink
it. Hepatotoxic, viz. f**ks up your liver if taken internally.)
Don't take my word for it. Google Nizoral, ketoconazole, "pityrosporum
ovale" or "seborrhoeic dermatitis".
> Not to mention salt stains from sweat.
So I go through a lot of tee shirts in a week, eh? Black ones,
though. :-)
Al Smith
I'll keep the Nizoral in mind. Years ago I tried the Selsun Blue
stuff. Zinc-based, I think. It made my hair fall out. I decided
I'd rather have dandruff with hair.
-Al-
James Warren
I'll vouch for the Nizoral. Years of Head 'n Shoulders didn't do it
but Nizoral did.
--
jw (a.k.a. Nagilum)