the story you tell indicates that the arrests are warranted...if these
people were simply lying on the beach sunbathing nude, i wouldn't have any
problem with them being there, but public sex is different...they should
get a room...
i'm sorry that you were put in a position where you had to see that type
of thing in our province...crystal crescent, from the third beach out, is
the only place in nova scotia that this type of thing occurs, as far as i
know...we have many other areas in our province that are beautiful, offer
similar activities, and do not have the 'show'...i hope you and your
husband will visit again, and take advantage of the other areas halifax
offers...
"Gweneth L." wrote:
> As visitors to your otherwise beautiful province, my husband and I
> must express our shock at the incidents we witnessed on our June
> vacation in Nova Scotia. Frankly, our concern is centered on
> activities at Crystal Crescent Beach last week.
Bill.
"Gweneth L." wrote:
>
> As visitors to your otherwise beautiful province, my husband and I
> must express our shock at the incidents we witnessed on our June
> vacation in Nova Scotia. Frankly, our concern is centered on
> activities at Crystal Crescent Beach last week. My husband and I are
> avid runners and hikers. Our morning started out wonderfully with a 30
> minute jaunt through Halifax's Point Pleasant Park. I might add, this
> park would be the envy of many a city. The day, however, failed to
> sustain such standards. Via contact with the Nova Scotia Tourist
> Bureau, we were recommended the hiking tour along Crystal Crescent
> Beach, about 30 minutes from downtown Halifax. From what we were
> advised, this sounded like an excellent trail; scenic with dramatic
> views of the Atlantic.
>
> Our excursion began pleasantly enough. The trail that leads from the
> first beach to the second, and subsequently approaches the third
> beach, offers stunning panoramas of the area. Reaching the third
> beach, however, our hike took a radical turn. Yes, there are several
> people who use this beach for the purpose of sunbathing nude. And I
> suppose among them are some who honestly feel that what they are
> practicing is some form of "nudism". These seem to be a small
> minority. We observed that there are among them several who watch for
> hikers and then place themselves in positions where the hikers have
> little choice but to see them or, worse, pass them at a distance much
> too closer for comfort. One such "gentleman" was partially hidden at
> the top of some rocks (where the trail resumes after passing the third
> beach), from where, using binoculars of some sort, he observed the
> long trail leading down to that beach. When a female hiker approached,
> he moved to where that hiker would have no choice but to either turn
> around and go back or pass within inches of him. While passing along
> the beach, we also observed a relatively young couple clearly engaged
> in sexual foreplay, on the beach, barely below the path that hikers
> must take. The young "lady" on her back, knees up and legs open, the
> young "man" on his side, both were stark naked and masturbating each
> other in full view of onlookers on the beach and those walking the
> path. Hands working each other's genitals, so obvious were they that
> there was no doubt whatsoever what they were doing. About 50 feet
> ahead of us, what appeared to be a mother and her perhaps 12-14 year
> old daughter stopped at the site of these two and began to return back
> the way they came. Foolishly, we continued onward. Making the short
> climb up the path to where the trail continues and, passing naked
> binocular-man, we felt that we had finished with the so-called
> nudists. Not even close. We only had to take a few steps to find
> another naked "gentleman" of perhaps 25-30 years of age coming
> straight toward us. As we diverted course, so did he towards us,
> seemingly intent on making sure we got a good look at him. The
> determination of this naked man to walk directly toward me filled me
> with fear. Meters beyond him we encountered another chap who was
> half-hiding in the woods near the path, yet plainly in view of hikers,
> masturbating while he stared at us. Again, hoping we were finished
> with them, we continued on. Perhaps a hundred meters or so beyond the
> third beach we witnessed, in plain view, a very young man on his knees
> performing oral sex on a middle-aged man while masturbating himself.
> Both stark naked, and both right in the middle of the trail.
> Unavoidable. Only a few feet beyond them stood yet another naked man
> who was also masturbating himself, glancing back and forth between us
> and the male "couple". He was much older and had a look of derangement
> about him. We speculated how the kneeling young man performing this
> sexual act had even managed to get out to this trail as he seemed too
> young to obtain a driver's license. At this point, we simply had to
> turn back and, yes, pass those lurking naked men again. And on our
> return we were greeted by another naked "hiker" followed by yet
> another naked man, this one with erect penis in hand, who actually
> attempted to strike up a conversation with us. We hurried on. Getting
> back as far as the third beach (we had not ventured more than a
> hundred meters beyond it), the young beach couple came back into view.
> At this point, they had assumed a missionary position and were
> shamelessly involved, all the while oogled by several of the "nudists"
> (all male) situated within meters of them, some stimulating themselves
> with a vague attempt to appear as if they were not doing so. The young
> man had his mouth fixed on one of the young lady's breasts and was
> making very obvious hip-thrusting motions while the young lady had
> both hands on his butt and was uttering base sexual comments like "oh
> f*ck yes" and "yes yes yes keep going", audible enough for us to hear
> 30 or so feet from them. Returning, having walked maybe two hundred
> meters up the path leading back to the second beach we encountered one
> last flasher. Clad in only a pair of running shoes and a nap-sack,
> "hiking" toward the third beach.
>
> On our way back to our vehicle, we encountered a group of three young
> girls, all maybe 20 years of age. They were out walking a dog and we
> stopped to speak with them. We told them what was going on up there.
> They seemed confused and carried on as if they didn't believe us. They
> kept going. You know what was waiting for them.
>
> Back on the first beach we met a couple quite close to our own age.
> They had a very small child of their own. We asked if they knew about
> what went on further up the trail. They said they did, and that they
> were not the least bit surprised by what we recounted, and that they
> never go near the third beach because of having had similar
> experiences the only time they did try to hike it.
>
> So this is what goes on at and beyond Crystal Crescent's Third Beach.
> Say what you will but it is not "nudism". No way. Public displays of
> sexual intercourse are not nudism. Naked and masturbating while within
> touching distance of hikers is not nudism. Hiding naked in the bushes
> and waiting for hikers to pass and then, intentionally, flashing them
> is not nudism. Cruising a nature trail to find like-minded and naked
> "companions" with which to perform or receive oral sex (or more) is
> not nudism. Being stark naked and intentionally putting yourself in
> the path of people (whose only goal is to hike a nature trail) is not
> nudism. None of it is nudism. It is sexual exhibitionism, flashing,
> perversion... anything but nudism.
>
> It seems well known that this is happening. Yet, I wonder, is the Nova
> Scotia government, or local law enforcement, so unaware of these
> activities that they simply refuse to do anything about them? Or do
> they not care? They really ought to put up a sign that reads:
> "WARNING: BEYOND THIS POINT YOU MAY ENCOUNTER EXHIBITIONS OF PUBLIC
> SEX, AND/OR PEOPLE MASTURBATING AND INTENTIONALLY EXPOSING THEMSELVES
> AT YOU." That, or do something to eliminate these activities outright.
> Or not advertise it as a park in which one may hike. What is happening
> at Crystal Crescent's Third Beach is hardly close to nudism. Much of
> it is, at best, a form of sexual assault.
>
> I intend to pass on this information to local newspapers. I'd also be
> interested in knowing which agency governs that park, and how to
> contact them.
The trail was RECOMMENDED to them by the tourist bureau, they werent just
out wandering around.... dumbass.
"Bill" <Bi...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Martin wrote in message ...
"Gweneth L." wrote:
> As visitors to your otherwise beautiful province, my husband and I
> must express our shock at the incidents we witnessed on our June
> vacation in Nova Scotia. Frankly, our concern is centered on
> activities at Crystal Crescent Beach last week. My husband and I are
> avid runners and hikers. Our morning started out wonderfully with a 30
> minute jaunt through Halifax's Point Pleasant Park. I might add, this
> park would be the envy of many a city. The day, however, failed to
> sustain such standards. Via contact with the Nova Scotia Tourist
> Bureau, we were recommended the hiking tour along Crystal Crescent
> Beach, about 30 minutes from downtown Halifax. From what we were
> advised, this sounded like an excellent trail; scenic with dramatic
> views of the Atlantic.
> <SNIP>
> Our excursion began pleasantly enough. I intend to pass on this
Crystal Cresent beach is known for it's scenic views, but the tourist bureau
should have warned you that the third beach is used by so-called "nudists".
It's been all over the news the past few years as the RCMP tried to crack
down on the illegal activities in the area, some people using the beach are
true naturalists but many are just drawn for a cheap thrill.
Sex on the beach in plain view of everyone (including minors) is obviously
against the law and it's people like that who instigated the crack down.
I agree with the sign recommendation, and a brochure at the tourist bureau
couldnt help either.
I'd recommend writing a letter to the Chronicle Herald
http://www.halifaxherald.com , the NS tourism page at
http://explore.gov.ns.ca/ and http://www.novascotiatourism.com/ and whatever
other organization you can think of. Tourism is a big part of the industry
around here and your story should be given some attention.
Martin
"Gweneth L." <gewneth.***@***.***> wrote in message
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Bill.
As for the gentleman who chose to insult me and implied I am using a fake email
address, there really is no need of that. There is simply no way I will post my
email address in full on usenet. I have no desire for the spam or the direct
correspondence from strangers to my home account. So I used ****** to veil it.
Simple. I would hope you would have sense enough to so something similar.
Wish you well
Gwen
I think I have to agree.
OZZY, The King of Heavy Rock
Is that envy in your voice reflecting jealousy?
Why, one tiny reason. our pesky friend the Black Fly. Everyone knows that
its been a VERY heavy year for them.
No one, I mean no one, is going to be wankin' in the woods this time of
year. Now if this was in July, you may have had me believing this.
Anyway..there was far too much detail in that post ...maybe it is somebody's
excuse to write about sexually explicit behaviour.
I'll be in Europe for most of the summer..hanging out at a beach in many
places in Europe means nudity a lot of the time...
Anyway..blah blah blah Crystal Crescent Beach...this is just the beginning
of the posts that will probably appear this summer.
Heather..
"Mr. +G" <positiv...@hotmail.com-snip> wrote in message
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First of all, The Nova Scotia Department of Tourism is not in the
habit of recommending Crystal Crescent as a hiking destination. If
you were able to prove that you had been referred to this beach by a
specific person at Tourism, most likely that person wouldn't be at
Tourism very long.
Secondly, The trail you so blithely followed terminates at the third
beach. After that it is quite difficult going even for experienced
hikers but darn near impossible for people just stumbling around .
Finding the outward path from the beach on the other end is not in the
least obvious. Following it when you do takes a concerted effort
because it is part bog, part mud and part dirt with many many roots
and the whole thing is quite closely grown in with schrubs and sharp
branches. Not the well groomed paths that Tourism likes to point
people to at all.
Thirdly, you show very poor judgement. If you were that offended then
upon arriving at the third beach you would immediately spotted the
nude bathers and turned around. But the amount of experiences you
recount are in their totality unbelieveable, you never learned that in
a writing course - keep it believeable is the first motto.
Your whole narrative is suspect as are your motives for writing it.
The perverse pleasure you take in describing each lurid detail is more
akin to a voyeuristic fantasy than it is it to a traumatised victim.
Why don't you troll elsewhere.
On stardate Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:17:33 GMT, ensign Gweneth L.
<gewneth.***@***.***> was blathering on about :
so the federation council decided to reply with the following ...
>As visitors to your otherwise beautiful province, my husband and I
>must express our shock at the incidents we witnessed on our June
>vacation in Nova Scotia. Frankly, our concern is centered on
>activities at Crystal Crescent Beach last week. My husband and I are
>avid runners and hikers. Our morning started out wonderfully with a 30
>minute jaunt through Halifax's Point Pleasant Park. I might add, this
>park would be the envy of many a city. The day, however, failed to
>sustain such standards. Via contact with the Nova Scotia Tourist
>Bureau, we were recommended the hiking tour along Crystal Crescent
>Beach, about 30 minutes from downtown Halifax. From what we were
>advised, this sounded like an excellent trail; scenic with dramatic
>views of the Atlantic.
>
Well said.
I'm reminded of that famous tome "Sex Life Of An Electrician" (Part 3)
"fully excited Millie Amp mumbled 'ohm, ohm, ohm'...."
Ozzie
"The Original"
> On stardate Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:17:33 GMT, ensign Gweneth L.
> <gewneth.***@***.***> was blathering on about :
> so the federation council decided to reply with the following ...
<original soft-porn narrative snipped>
My thoughts exactly. All the detail... what a memory! Must have taken notes
while walking. Pretty determined too eh? To keep going and going and going.
[snip]
> >
> > Thirdly, you show very poor judgement. If you were that offended then
> > upon arriving at the third beach you would immediately spotted the
> > nude bathers and turned around. But the amount of experiences you
> > recount are in their totality unbelieveable, you never learned that in
> > a writing course - keep it believeable is the first motto.
> >
> > Your whole narrative is suspect as are your motives for writing it.
> > The perverse pleasure you take in describing each lurid detail is more
> > akin to a voyeuristic fantasy than it is it to a traumatised victim.
It reads a little like a sex starved parish priest recounting sordid
confessional tales ostensibly to chastise his parisheriners, building a
pathetic middle aged chubby as he slavers over every detail.
> >
> > Why don't you troll elsewhere.
>
> Well said.
>
> I'm reminded of that famous tome "Sex Life Of An Electrician" (Part 3)
>
> "fully excited Millie Amp mumbled 'ohm, ohm, ohm'...."
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
GE
> How about checking out where you go on vacation?? If you were to go down
> Gottingen Street and get mugged, would you blame Nova Scotia for it?? There are
> thousands of other places in this province to go, but you went to a place that
> has a history of controversy. Why not go down to Peggy's Cove and get sucked
> into the Ocean by the waves, even though it is well known how dangerous it can
> be there, if you get too close to the shore! Don't blame Nova Scotia, blame
> yourselves!
Aren't you coming on a little strong? If this lady was having fits
because people were down on the sand beach, nude, merely sunbathing than I
would perhaps understand your reaction, but sexual
acts/masturbation in a [yes out of the way, but nevertheless] public
place? I completely sympathize with her post and am very grieved that
they had this negative experience. I hope she has not let it 'turn her
off' to the whole province.
Marilyn B.
Obviously Crystal Cresent has got a little worse than in previous years,
and yes, the tourist bureau should be honest and put a disclaimer not only
on the brochures, post signs, but maybe flog the whole concept a little.
Are you a pervert? Sexually frustrated? Weigh 300 LBs and like to jog
nude? How about if you are an exibitionist, and have lots of guys
masturbate while you have sex with someone? Nova Scotia now has the beach for you!
So I guess that it getting tourists is not a problem for Nova
Scotia after all. It is just getting the right ones.
On a personal level however, this whole beach is so sad. How could
someone, man or woman, find a guy wearing only a baseball cap, t-shirt, and a pair of
sandals appealing. Oh wait, did I mention that big blotch of white sun
screen cream on his nose? That did help a little I guess.
I mean, how terrible is it that some men have been reduced to going to a remote place like
Crystal Cresent to get a glimpse of women breasts. For me, after the
first 100 pair so so, they are pretty similar. So I have to think, these
30 year old men, really have been deprived in life. I feel sorry for them.
And exactly how basic is a man's life been reduced to, when he has to go
wandering around naked hoping that someone will give him oral sex? Does this person have no personal
pride?
And who's young son is this anyway? Is it a son of someone here on this
news group?
So maybe instead of arresting people, human services should take a little
pity on them and start some kind of outreach program to help find out what
these people are missing in their lives.
Maybe send out a bunch of psychology students and make a summer employment study of it. Take
people's photo's, interview them, and then publish the finding with names and
addresses, and their life experience in the local papers. This way their
relatives, girlfriends and boyfriends, will know some of their particulars
to help them through their life problems.
(J)
>nice work Bill, blame the tourists because they dont know every nuance of
>the local area.
>
>The trail was RECOMMENDED to them by the tourist bureau, they werent just
>out wandering around.... dumbass.
Nevertheless, Bill has a point: people who don't live in Nova Scotia
shouldn't be determining what's okay in any part of Nova Scotia.
Personally, I found Gweneth's post to be well thought out,
intelligent, illuminating (I didn't know the extent of the sexual
activities at Crystal Crescent), and respectful of our province in
general. Were I in her place, however, I think I'd chalk this one up
to experience and avoid that part of the beach on any future visits
(rather than filing an official complaint).
She's right about one thing though: "Much of it is, at best, a form of
sexual assault." I myself don't really have a problem with those who
want to be nude there or those who want to have sex on the beach or
whatever. But if I happened to be approached by one of these
individuals -- someone who looked as if he wanted to "include" me
(even indirectly) is his activities -- I Would have a problem with
that. Gweneth obviously experienced some of that when exhibitionists
there decided to masturbate "at" her. Unfortunately, if an official
complaint is filed, the RCMP aren't likely to distinguish between
those who wish to sunbathe nude and the rest. Maybe they could have
the beach designated as a legal nudist area and regulate it somehow??
And frankly, I've run into stranger behaviour downtown on a Friday or
Saturday night. At least the Crystal Crescent exhibitionists have
the... uhhh, I'll say "decency," to find themselves a place that's
well out of the way.
db
> Your whole narrative is suspect as are your motives for writing it.
> The perverse pleasure you take in describing each lurid detail is more
> akin to a voyeuristic fantasy than it is it to a traumatised victim.
If the post is a troll, I'd suspect that the writer's motive is to
defame the beach in an attempt to get it shut down... possibly some
fundamentalist who'd like to see nudism dealt with more harshly. I
don't get the impression that the writer got any perverse pleasure
from posting it though.
db
>If true! Very shocking. However I have this nagging doubt that any of this
>actually happened.
>
>Why, one tiny reason. our pesky friend the Black Fly. Everyone knows that
>its been a VERY heavy year for them.
I've noticed that this year and last, mosquitos have been out in
record numbers... a number of horseflies too. I tend to dress fairly
heavily for summer weather -- full-length pants, typically a light
jacket (not much of a sun worshipper) -- yet even on a brief walk
through a shortcut to Bayers Lake, there are still times when I just
can't get away from clouds of bloody mosquitos.
db
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: On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 07:33:49 GMT, Twi...@sillyputty.com (I can't tell
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** I agree. Something smells fishy about that post. (-;{
--
The Violator.
My sentiments exactly! HA HA!!!
Bill.
:-)
snarfdude wrote:
>
> On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 03:16:24 GMT, "Heather Morrison"
> <ti...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >I
> >
> >Anyway..there was far too much detail in that post ...maybe it is somebody's
> >excuse to write about sexually explicit behaviour.
>
> well......let's just say that makes you wonder if someone was really
> offended....I mean, if someone was really offended, wouldn't one walk
> off in a huff, without being able to recount in vivid detail the acts
> that were witnessed? is this writer a penthouse forum wannabe?
>
> makes you wonder.......in any event, at least it was a "vacation to
> remember" and I guess anything reason to call us "canada's ocean
> playground" LOL!!!!
>
> SD!
Bill.
snarfdude wrote:
>
> On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 03:16:24 GMT, "Heather Morrison"
> <ti...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >I
> >
> >Anyway..there was far too much detail in that post ...maybe it is somebody's
> >excuse to write about sexually explicit behaviour.
>
> well......let's just say that makes you wonder if someone was really
> offended....I mean, if someone was really offended, wouldn't one walk
> off in a huff, without being able to recount in vivid detail the acts
> that were witnessed? is this writer a penthouse forum wannabe?
>
> makes you wonder.......in any event, at least it was a "vacation to
> remember" and I guess anything reason to call us "canada's ocean
> playground" LOL!!!!
>
> SD!
Good one SD!
Sheena
I think the original poster was trolling.
Heather
"ken" <nos...@bot.ca> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:17:33 GMT, Gweneth L. <gewneth.***@***.***>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I intend to pass on this information to local newspapers. I'd also be
> >interested in knowing which agency governs that park, and how to
> >contact them.
>
> Hi sorry you were shocked but this kind of behavior is common world
> wide [if you were shocked by this stay away from out of the way
> beaches in Europe]
I went to a few beaches in Europe and from time to time it was hard... err
... difficult not to be... ummm... it was awkward.
John
I must say..."when in Rome do as the Romans" hasn't seemed to apply to
me at the beach here - yet..*G*
"John van Gurp" <jvg.REM...@PANTSchebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message news:<cGnU8.32080$Z6.3...@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
Wow. Nice. Never been there but as far as I can tell ALL european cities are
amazing with their history etc. A close friend recounts how she spent time
in Greece, walking topless on the beach for days, until one day she
encountered a male acquaintence from Halifax and was MORTIFIED, quickly
covering up in embarassment. Funny eh? Hope you have a terrific stay!
Cheers,
John