I feel so much safer now
Ice Age
Dutch to use full body scans for U.S. flights
December 30, 2009 9:35 a.m. EST
(CNN) -- Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport will begin using bodyscanners on
all passengers taking flights to the United States following the
attempted terrorist attack on a U.S.-bound flight on Christmas Day, the
Dutch interior minister said Wednesday.
The millimeter-wave bodyscanners will be in place in about three weeks,
Dutch Interior Minister Guusje ter Horst told a news conference at The
Hague.
>snip<
Ice!
Jack
Its about figgin time...good for the Dutch...
Geert Wilders for Dutch PM...
Ice Age
>
> Its about figgin time...good for the Dutch...
>
> Geert Wilders for Dutch PM...
They sure have you brainwashed, don't they? You ought to watch
Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will." It is a bit dated, but those
who refuse to study history are doomed to repeat it.
Ice!
Jack
or you can hide your head in the sand and keep repeating "fundamentalist
Islam is my friend"...then sing Kumbaya. We need a wall a BIG wall to
keep Muslims in their own shit-holes...
Ice Age
>
> or you can hide your head in the sand and keep repeating "fundamentalist
> Islam is my friend"...then sing Kumbaya. We need a wall a BIG wall to
> keep Muslims in their own shit-holes...
>
>
So what you are saying is the world (at least North America and
Europe) is being held hostage by the threat of what Islam "might" do?
You MPs are all the same -- you do what you are told and never
questions. Harper for the SECOND XMAS IN A ROW, has asked the GC to
prorogue parliament so he doesn't have to face the opposition music.
This year the excuse is he wants to go to the Olympic games until
March -- when really he wants to avoid the parliamentary committee
questions on the torture of Afghan prisoners. I never heard the word
prorogue until PM Harper decided it was a slick way of avoiding
accountability. He really is a proponent of democratic governmment,
isn't he?
Ice!
Jack
yeha, you're right..no Muslim has committed ANY terrorist act...It was
the republicans that crashed the panes into WTC, it was the dems that
blew up the Madrid train, it was the Conservatives that blew up the
London train...silly me...
Do you have ADD ?? can't stay focused on one subject ?? What a maroon..
Rob
> Do you have ADD ?? can't stay focused on one subject ?? What a maroon..
Good, I thought it was just me. First off about Amsterdam's Schiphol
Airport using body scanners on all passengers taking flights to the
United States, then on about Harper. Wow.
Wayne Hines
> questions. Harper for the SECOND XMAS IN A ROW, has asked the GC to
> prorogue parliament so he doesn't have to face the opposition music.
>
> This year the excuse is he wants to go to the Olympic games until
> March -- when really he wants to avoid the parliamentary committee
> questions on the torture of Afghan prisoners. I never heard the word
> prorogue until PM Harper decided it was a slick way of avoiding
> accountability. He really is a proponent of democratic governmment,
> isn't he?
How did/do you feel about Pierre Trudeau? Parliament prorogued pretty
much on an annual basis while he was Prime Minister.
gwh
Ice Age
>
> yeha, you're right..no Muslim has committed ANY terrorist act...It was
> the republicans that crashed the panes into WTC, it was the dems that
> blew up the Madrid train, it was the Conservatives that blew up the
> London train...silly me...
>
> Do you have ADD ?? can't stay focused on one subject ?? What a maroon..
You can insult me all you like, Jack. Stephen Harper asked (and
got) the GG to prorogue Parliament 2 years in a row. Why? To avoid
facing the opposition and the negative press. Is that how our system
works? Things get too hot for a minority government and they ask the GG
for a two month vacation to let things cool off? When has this been
routinely (or ever) been done before? How does Harper avoiding facing
the opposition make Canada safer?
Ice!
Ice Age
>
> How did/do you feel about Pierre Trudeau? Parliament prorogued pretty
> much on an annual basis while he was Prime Minister.
>
> gwh
>
>
Dates, circumstances please? To attend the Olympics?
Ice!
JD
"Ice Age" <ice_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Its irrelevant anyway. They wouldn't be sitting, at any rate, until the end
of January. And they really should be focused on Olympic security. With
the world watching, it would be bad form to have an incident and it would
make travelling for Canadians even more difficult.
Wayne Hines
You'll have to look that up yourself. I can't remember, but perhaps
Parliament was prorogued sometime after the budget was passed in the
spring with a new session taking in in the fall?
gwh
JD
http://www.parl.gc.ca/compendium/web-content/c_g_parliamentarycycle-e.htm
It is prorogued at the end of every session. In this case, they simply
delayed the start of the next session until after the Olympics.
Ice Age
>
> Its irrelevant anyway. They wouldn't be sitting, at any rate, until the
> end of January. And they really should be focused on Olympic security.
> With the world watching, it would be bad form to have an incident and it
> would make travelling for Canadians even more difficult.
In the name of God! You are now claiming avoiding our
Parliamentary democracy is a security issue? Are you really saying
that? I can't imagine it! Your are just being silly for the sake of
entertainment during the Xmas- New Years break? I thought you worked in
security. Should we shut down Parliament for the whole year?
Ice!
Ice Age
>
> You'll have to look that up yourself. I can't remember, but perhaps
> Parliament was prorogued sometime after the budget was passed in the
> spring with a new session taking in in the fall?
>
> gwh
>
So you don't know if/when Trudeau did it. Stephen Harper did it
two years back to back, and we both know when and why. The move means
that any legislation Parliament was considering is now dead.
Parliamentary committees will be suspended, including one that is
investigating Afghan detainee abuse. This is an issue that has been
plaguing the Conservatives for months. *That* is why he did it
Ice!.
Ice!
JD
What I am saying is it isn't really that big of a deal. It is simply
delaying the start of the next session; which, if they are focusing on
security at the Olympics, I have no issue with. It is not the first time,
nor will it be the last.
JD
The committee work only stops for the prorogation period. Committee orders
and business survive prorogation. You should probably read about it.
Halifax_Hooligan
He can't give any...lol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Canadian_parliamentary_dispute
Also
Prorogation
A prorogation is the period between two sessions of a legislative
body. When a legislature or parliament is prorogued, it is still
constituted (that is, all members remain as members and a general
election is not necessary), but all orders of the body (bills,
motions, etc.) are expunged.[1] (In the British parliament, this has
now changed somewhat in that Public Bills can be carried over from one
session to another.)
In the British and Canadian parliamentary systems, this is usually due
to the completion of the agenda set forth in the Speech from the
Throne (in the UK, called the legislative programme, and also "the
Queen's Speech"). Legislatures and parliaments, once prorogued, remain
in recess until summoned again by the Queen, Governor General, or
Lieutenant Governor, and a new session is begun with the State Opening
of Parliament and the Speech from the Throne.
Ice Age
>
> What I am saying is it isn't really that big of a deal. It is simply
> delaying the start of the next session; which, if they are focusing on
> security at the Olympics, I have no issue with. It is not the first
> time, nor will it be the last.
And you contend it has nothing to do with the timing of Afghan
issue or the budget? Just like last year it had nothing to do with
facing a non-confidence vote?
Ice!
Ice Age
>
> The committee work only stops for the prorogation period. Committee
> orders and business survive prorogation. You should probably read about it.
And what is hot in the press now (the Afghan issue) will not
benefit the government by sitting dormant for 3 months? Harper is a
master at this.
Ice!
Jack
Check your history...the Communist, aka Trudeau did it almost annually
JD
I don't contend anything. I am saying it is perfectly normal and very
common in our system. Its no big deal.
Jack
>> Ice!
>
> Its irrelevant anyway. They wouldn't be sitting, at any rate, until the
> end of January. And they really should be focused on Olympic security.
> With the world watching, it would be bad form to have an incident and it
> would make travelling for Canadians even more difficult.
Exactly JD...its about a month, at most. Call it a winter break
Jack
What the fuck are you going on about now ?? What security ?? The
Opposition picking fly shit out of pepper routine ??
Jack
It doesn't matter Ice. The Conservatives WILL have their majority next
election...get over it...
JD
It won't benefit anyway. Virtually all of the allegations (around 2006)
started on Paul Martin's watch. Given that policies have changed, the two
extra months will have no effect on way or the other. Depending on the
outcome, they will have to face the music anyway.
Wayne Hines
The "Afghan detainee abuse" issue is a non-issue for most Canadians. It's
a big issue for someone whose leadership of the Official Opposition may
be in jeopardy.
With Parliament prorogued, government legislation in the system may
become dead unless it is picked up in the next session. Private member
bills will resume in the next session.
Parliament is elected for a four-year term. During that term, there can
be several sessions.
gwh
Brian Smith
>
> So you don't know if/when Trudeau did it. Stephen Harper did it two
> years back to back, and we both know when and why. The move means that
> any legislation Parliament was considering is now dead. Parliamentary
> committees will be suspended, including one that is investigating Afghan
> detainee abuse. This is an issue that has been plaguing the
> Conservatives for months. *That* is why he did it
> Ice!.
We know the frog that screwed this country did it, that's not the
issue. In fact the entire issue you are trying to make, isn't an issue.
Say goodnight Gracie.
Gra...@cons-are-cons.ca
(due to retirements) just before March 3rd, giving him a majority there.
So Harper just wants to stifle democracy, not go to the Olympics.
JD
<Gra...@cons-are-cons.ca> wrote in message
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> They said on the news that Harper will be able to appoint more senators
> (due to retirements) just before March 3rd, giving him a majority there.
> So Harper just wants to stifle democracy, not go to the Olympics.
Its nothing different than the Liberals have always done too.
Ice Age
>
>
> Check your history...the Communist, aka Trudeau did it almost annually
Trudea was a communist? Are you sure? He was PM from 68-79. And
again from 80-84. Were we ruled by a communist government for 15 years?
I don't recall that. Why would the USA put up with that? They
roasted Cuba and Castro. Why not us? Guess you have a different
recollection that I do, Jack-O.
Ice!
Ice Age
>
> I don't contend anything. I am saying it is perfectly normal and very
> common in our system. Its no big deal.
Yes it is, JD. You know he is using prorogation to avoid answering
to the opposition and the people of Canada.
Ice
Ice Age
>
> What the fuck are you going on about now ?? What security ?? The
> Opposition picking fly shit out of pepper routine ??
Jack, take a pill. The rationale for progoing parliament for 3
months is supposed to be for security (for those sheep who believe it.)
I don't happen to think Olympic security justifies the shutting down
of the Parliament of Canada for several months -- it's to avoid the
opposition questions and the various committies who are asking why the
Afghan situation occurred and an update on our finances.
There might be appropriate medication for this distorted view of
things that you can buy, but if not, the right wing will run out of
steam and the socialist/liberals/commies will regain power and give it
to you for free.
Ice!
Ice Age
>
>
> It doesn't matter Ice. The Conservatives WILL have their majority next
> election...get over it...
No, they will not, Jack. They had enough times to try. They have
'time for a change' monkey on their back, as well as Stephen Harper.
The Liberals need a new leader, I agree. Time will show this is
Harper's last stand. Majority conservative government? FAT CHANCE.
Ice!
Ice Age
>
> We know the frog that screwed this country did it, that's not the issue.
> In fact the entire issue you are trying to make, isn't an issue. Say
> goodnight Gracie.
It's racist's comments like that that keep, oddly, things sane.
Every time you make a comment like that, you insult our French Canadian
friends. I am a Canadian, neither French nor English. Your perception
of reality is decisive.
Ice
Jack
Several months ?? What are you trying for an Oscar for Drama Queen ??
Jack
Ok...we'll see...but either you or I will have to publicly say "Uncle"
when it happens...or doesn't...
I believe that Canadians are very comfortable with the PM..
Jack
He's not wrong...it is/was Quebec that is the cause of many of our
problems today...think of them as the whiny kid who always gets what he
wants...or the retarded one...your choice.
Jack
1. From his own kid:
http://www.canadaka.net/forums/international-politics-f2/sascha-trudeau-my-dad-was-a-nazi-and-i-m-a-communist-t16785.html
2. http://pages.interlog.com/~girbe/Trudeau.html
Apparently Trudeau equated communist conquests in Europe and Asia with
advances by democracy.
3. http://www.orwelltoday.com/trudeau.shtml
Mr. Trudeau told the wife of U.S. charg� d'affaires
that he was a Communist and then went on to
criticize the U.S. and praise the Soviet Union.
4. http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/1000trudeau.htm
He never met a communist he didn't like.
That's the reality that all of the adoring eulogies to former Canadian
Prime Minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau somehow fail to mention.
5. http://jeanchretien.libertyca.net/html/0072.html (gotta love this
one..look at the url)
Mr. Trudeau embraced Communist despots wherever he could find them.
Brian Smith
>
> Ok...we'll see...but either you or I will have to publicly say "Uncle"
> when it happens...or doesn't...
>
> I believe that Canadians are very comfortable with the PM..
Sensible Canadians Jack, not all Canadians (apparently by the ranting
that goes on about him by some members of this group). :^)
Brian Smith
>
> It's racist's comments like that that keep, oddly, things sane.
> Every time you make a comment like that, you insult our French Canadian
> friends. I am a Canadian, neither French nor English. Your perception
> of reality is decisive.
I have no swamp critter friends, nor do I wish to have any.
Brian Smith
>
> He's not wrong...it is/was Quebec that is the cause of many of our
> problems today...think of them as the whiny kid who always gets what he
> wants...or the retarded one...your choice.
Exactly, Jack.
Brian Smith
>
> It's racist's comments like that that keep, oddly, things sane.
> Every time you make a comment like that, you insult our French Canadian
> friends. I am a Canadian, neither French nor English. Your perception
> of reality is decisive.
I was exercising my freedom of speech that you say we don't have, even
though we do. :^)
Wayne Hines
Would it be possible that, if Harper appoints a few more senators, the
balance of power in the Senate will be such that legislation passed by
Parliament won't be stalled by the Liberal-dominated Senate?
gwh
JD
<lucreti...@fl.it> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:25:11 GMT, "JD" <m...@home.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ice Age" <ice_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> Wayne Hines wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You'll have to look that up yourself. I can't remember, but perhaps
>>>> Parliament was prorogued sometime after the budget was passed in the
>>>> spring with a new session taking in in the fall?
>>>>
>>>> gwh
>>>>
>>>
>>> years back to back, and we both know when and why. The move means that
>>> any legislation Parliament was considering is now dead. Parliamentary
>>> committees will be suspended, including one that is investigating Afghan
>>> detainee abuse. This is an issue that has been plaguing the
>>> Conservatives
>>> for months. *That* is why he did it
>>> Ice!.
>>>
>>
>>The committee work only stops for the prorogation period. Committee
>>orders
>>and business survive prorogation. You should probably read about it.
>
I am certain. There are some bills that do not die. Private Members
business survives, committee orders survives, and there is a whole list that
survives.
JD
"Jack" <bigc...@yahoo.com.com> wrote in message
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His popularity has never been higher than in the last 6 mos.
JD
<lucreti...@fl.it> wrote in message
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> told us how perfect it was going to be when the Lieberals were out !
> We told him he would find out, he still has his blinkers on. Put Jack
> in the fearful spot of a 'Red under every bed" - that's him to a T
Just as the critics of Harper can never accept it when he does something
right; they will find fault no matter what he does.
demibee
> Would it be possible that, if Harper appoints a few more senators, the
> balance of power in the Senate will be such that legislation passed by
> Parliament won't be stalled by the Liberal-dominated Senate?
Thing I wonder is... Should we go for an elected senate; or should we do
as New Zealand did and just get rid of it? I think I prefer the latter.
db
JD
"demibee" <dem...@post.com> wrote in message
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I prefer the former. I like the idea of a 'sober second thought'; I jsut
wish is was sober and elected.
Jack
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:03:48 GMT, "JD" <m...@home.ca> wrote:
>
>
>> Just as the critics of Harper can never accept it when he does something
>> right; they will find fault no matter what he does.
>
> his kids when they are off to school, who even when he was in
> Afghanistan was still perfectly coiffed with a not a single hair out
> of place - it's plain unnatural.
Maybe cause he doesn't look like an unkempt old troll like a certain
Sheena we all know and "don't) love.
Jack
Brian don't try to confuse them with facts..
Jack
> your saint.
Hello pot, this is kettle calling...
Check your meds again..your dementia is ahowing
Brian Smith
>
> Brian don't try to confuse them with facts..
They wouldn't know a fact, if it was pointed out to them ... oh wait
there have been facts pointed out to a large number of people here and
they still aren't able to grasp the concept(s).
Rob
LOL :^)
Wayne Hines
Elected.
gwh
Brian Smith
>
> Elected.
That would be a good plan, let them prove their worthiness to the
citizens of Canada (at least to the ones that take the country seriously
enough to do their civic duty and vote).