Email your premier
novascroller
must have made a
hell of a political contribution.
Hank
novasc...@gmail.com says...
I fail to see what all the fuss is about. In 2004 the people of Nova Scotia
expressed their desire to not have Sunday Shopping. The government passed a
law according to the wishes of the majority of the people (at least those who
chose to vote.)
Now, two years later, we have large corporations trying to circumvent the
law and those who dissagreed with the majority supporting them in their
attempts to break the law.
Today the government has announced that it intends to uphold this law, and to
appease those who do not like it by holding another plebicite in 2008. At that
time, if the majority of the people decide it is time to allow Sunday Shopping,
then no doubt the government will revoke the ban on Sunday Shopping.
That's the way, in a democracy, we change things. We don't encourage
corporations and individuals to break laws. Most things have grey areas, but
this issue is crystal clear.
For the record, I (a) support Sunday Shopping, (b) didn not vote for the
current government in the recent election and (c) will vote for Sunday Shopping
in 2008. I simply do not support breaking laws as a means to change them. I
can wait 2 years.
gman99
> law and those who dissagreed with the majority supporting them in their
> attempts to break the law.
AND PETE'S...and that are not circumventing the law...they're abiding
by the law until little mr fussy pants decided he knows best.
> Today the government has announced that it intends to uphold this law,
No...they're CHANGING the law and setting an arbitrary date in the
PAST...that is entirely BULLSHIT.
Most democratic events require a majority or more of those eligible to
show up in order for that vote to be valid. Less than a majority showed
up...thus making the vote itself INVALID !!
Doobielicious
and Superstore.
"Hank" <Hank.W...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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a
> Most democratic events require a majority or more of those eligible to
> show up in order for that vote to be valid. Less than a majority showed
> up...thus making the vote itself INVALID !!
>
There you go with your Robert's Rules again...
If there was to be a Federal election tomorrow, and 49% of the eligible voters
voted, would the results be thrown out?
a
Hfx_hooligan
a wrote:>
> There you go with your Robert's Rules again...
>
> If there was to be a Federal election tomorrow, and 49% of the eligible voters
> voted, would the results be thrown out?
>
> a
This does seem rather dubious, given that Pete's has used these same
tactics to operate legally for years. If Sobeys & Superstore are acting
within the letter of the law, the premier should have left the
situation rest until the next plebiscite.
a
Agree.
a
gman99
No quorum required in a federal election....but there may be and should
be for a binding plebiscite....
novascroller
Sobey's and The Superstore can't? is there really a need for Chapters
to be open on Sundays? don't these employees deserve a day of rest as
well??
Punk wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:52:27 GMT, Hank.W...@yahoo.com (Hank) wrote:
>
> >For the record, I (a) support Sunday Shopping, (b) didn not vote for the
> >current government in the recent election and (c) will vote for Sunday Shopping
> >in 2008. I simply do not support breaking laws as a means to change them. I
> >can wait 2 years.
>
>
> But that's how bad or archaic laws get challenged in court and thrown out.
>
> If you leave it to the tyranny of the majority so to speak, the bad
> or archaic law never gets changed.
>
>
>
> Punk
G. Wayne Hines
Most plebisites in this province have involved local issues such as
applications for liquor licenses, and there has been no requirement
for a "quorum". The plebiscite on Sunday shopping was not binding.
gwh
novascroller
not the % but the actual #'s of people who voted.
thanks
lucretia borgia wrote:
> Hank.W...@yahoo.com (Hank),in hfx.generalwrote:
> and entertained us with
> It's a reflection on the Me Generation that they can't seem to see
> they are also throwing out democratic process with the bath water.
> Your post reflects my sentiments entirely, though I am not pro-SS, but
> it is nice to see someone who is, understand the issue.
>
> I don't want to be told what I will do by merchants, I didn't vote for
> them.
kei...@rocketmail.com
Hank wrote:
> I fail to see what all the fuss is about.
Then you must be blind.
> In 2004 the people of Nova Scotia
> expressed their desire to not have Sunday Shopping.
Wrong. The people voted to maintain the status quo as of that time,
which allowed various types of businesses to open on Sunday.
> The government passed a
> law according to the wishes of the majority of the people (at least those who
> chose to vote.)
Wrong. The govt took absolutely no action as a result of that vote
because none was required. The people voted to leave the laws the same.
> Now, two years later, we have large corporations trying to circumvent the
> law and those who dissagreed with the majority supporting them in their
> attempts to break the law.
Wrong. We have businesses attempting to work within the laws as
affirmed by the plebiscite results being singled out and discriminated
against after the fact by regulations aimed squarely at them but not
other, identical businesses, whose only point of differentiation is
that they did it first.
> Today the government has announced that it intends to uphold this law, and to
> appease those who do not like it by holding another plebicite in 2008.
Wrong. The govt announced they are changing the rules for some but not
all. Clearly unconstitutional and sure to be thrown out in a court of
law.
> At that
> time, if the majority of the people decide it is time to allow Sunday Shopping,
> then no doubt the government will revoke the ban on Sunday Shopping.
Wrong. Given Friday's announcement there is nothing this govt would not
do to ensure that Nova Scotia remains a hick backwater and the
laughingstock of every other province in Canada.
> That's the way, in a democracy, we change things. We don't encourage
> corporations and individuals to break laws. Most things have grey areas, but
> this issue is crystal clear.
Wrong. Again. And that couldn't be more "crystal clear".
If this will be the style of govt practiced by Rodney "Homer"
MacDonald, I hope the NDP defeats them at their earliest opportunity
and throws out these charlatans.
schooner
regardless if you work within the laws we can take measures to change things
anytime we see fit. In a province trying to attract businesses and stop out
migration this certainly flies against common sense. I fear this new
premier will set progress back even farther than Hamm, a sad thought but one
that looks to be starting.
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gman99
> No, in a democracy it is a majority "of votes cast" - bad luck gman,
> you sure are getting worked up over not being able to have your way on
> Sunday. I never understood why you moved back here when you could
> have remained happily in Moncton with SS all round you !
Well....we also have this little thing called the CONSTITUTION that
says we cannot arbitrarily discrimate and to overturn the constitution
there is a formula...something like 6 provinces with over 60% of the
population...so..as you see...it's not a simple majority required...
a
You're taking rules for other things and applying them arbitrarily to try to
support your argument - it's not working.
"There's this law in Upper West Muldovabeckistan, that says that 57.93988543% of
voters who have a cow and at least 3 chickens .... and that's why we should
have Sunday shopping..."
I agree that we should have the freedom to choose what days we shop on, but get
real.
a
gman99
novascroller wrote:
> anyone know where i can find the officical results of that plebisite?
> not the % but the actual #'s of people who voted.
>
here the HRM vote:
http://www.halifax.ca/election/results_2004/OfficialPlebisiciteResults.pdf
Rick Walker
> If this will be the style of govt practiced by Rodney "Homer"
> MacDonald, I hope the NDP defeats them at their earliest opportunity
> and throws out these charlatans.
Here, here! I'm truly happy I didn't vote for "Flip-Flop"
MacDonald. I've seen nothing I've liked about him since the first, and
I'm sure many that voted Conservative are regretting it now.
- Rick
globals...@hotmail.com
novascroller wrote:
> i'm curious as to why Pete's can disobey the "spirit" of the law while
> Sobey's and The Superstore can't? is there really a need for Chapters
> to be open on Sundays? don't these employees deserve a day of rest as
> well??
Exactly. Everything should be shut down. Manufacturing. Fishing. Gas
station. Pharmacies. Everything or all businesses should have the
right to choose their hours of operation.
to...@chebucto.ns.ca
>It certainly sends a strong messages to businesses in this province,
>regardless if you work within the laws we can take measures to change things
>anytime we see fit.
I was talking to a lawyer on another matter yesterday (yes, I washed
my hands after . . .) and was told that this is actually true for most
statutory law in Nova Scotia: that enforcement is completely at the
discretion of the Minister- if s/he decides not to, the department
doesn't act. Not only that, but even if the statute doesn't specify
it, that there was an omnibus passed about 10 years ago that basically
applied that principle to all statutory law.
Lawyer's point was that while most Nova Scotians think we are
protected by laws which apply to all, in reality the whole thing is at
the whim of the Minister's decision as to who will / will not be
prosecuted.
I had never heard such a thing before- has anyone else?
schooner
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Rick Walker
"schooner" <scho...@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
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> What a fine province to have to try and run a business in eh?
Who has time? Family and friends gathering on Sundays, before Mom
and Dad go to work Monday for an American-based company...
- Rick
rtt
Canadian Tire. blah, blah, blah...
Getting beer, going to the casino to gamble the rent/mortgage money away,
going to a bar, playing vtl's, going to get your 10th cup of TIMS or
snacking on your favorite fastfood burger or buying your lettuce at Pete's
IS NOT SUNDAY SHOPPING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG GOD NO
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS NOT, HOW COULD IT
BE!!!!! ARE YOU FRICKING INSANE?!?!?
AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY ITS NOT 'SUNDAY SHOPPING' ?????
Ahhh, well, ummm, I'm not sure to be honest, but hell, it makes me feel
better when I'm doing the above mentioned activities on sunday. Thank god
those poor, poor retail workers at Walmart, Sobeys, Superstore, Canadian
Tire et al don't have to be away from their families and work on sunday.
Cause that would be cruel. And nothing warms my heart as much as paying $12
for a loaf of bread at my local convenience store. Happy happy, joy joy.
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schooner
heard it would require a min of 6 family members to be in attendance at
least 3 of the 4 Sundays each month. Any family not meeting the quota would
not receive their government allotment of candles and thus would have to go
without lighting until the next full moon. Two consecutive missed
gatherings would result in a loss of carriage privileges for one week. On a
positive note, the new government is opening a new "Department of Barn
Raisings & Box Socials" in the new cabinet.
"Rick Walker" <R...@WR.com> wrote in message
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to...@chebucto.ns.ca
>What a fine province to have to try and run a business in eh?
what a fine province for the vast majority of us who don't run a
business . . .
I don't see it as a business issue- more like feudalism vs democracy.
I was talking to the lawyer about someone leasing out a cemetery as
summer cattle pasture (with all the associated imagery you can dream
up) which appears to be absolutely forbidden under the Cemeteries
Protection Act. But it appears there's absolutely nothing we can do
to stop it when Ye Campaigne Contributione trumps common human decency
in the wallet of a Cabinet Minister
rtt
when they announce manditory banjo lessons on Sundays.
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Rick Walker
> Any word on when the mandatory family gatherings law goes into effect?
I
> heard it would require a min of 6 family members to be in attendance
at
> least 3 of the 4 Sundays each month. Any family not meeting the quota
would
> not receive their government allotment of candles and thus would have
to go
> without lighting until the next full moon. Two consecutive missed
> gatherings would result in a loss of carriage privileges for one week.
On a
> positive note, the new government is opening a new "Department of Barn
> Raisings & Box Socials" in the new cabinet.
What a back-assed province we live in, schooner. The 1950s and
1960s are gone! Everything has moved on, and a younger generation
scoffs at our fumbling around with memories of days gone by.
Sad. And getting "Progressively" worse.
- Rick
Rick Walker
"rtt" <acer...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hey Schooner, no word on that yet. Maybe Monday
> when they announce manditory banjo lessons on Sundays.
What night was bath night again? :-)
- Rick
rtt
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schooner
Good lord man, try the 1850 or 1750s.
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Rick Walker
> "Welcome to the backwards, redneck province of Nova Scotia"
"Where divorce rates climb, crime is steadily on the rise, keeping
pace with the unemployment statistics".
- Rick
Rick Walker
> 1950s?
> Good lord man, try the 1850 or 1750s.
I saw your reference points, schooner. I was merely pointing out
"the good ol' days" that I remember. Families today don't (as a whole)
instill the same values as they did as early as the 50s.
They don't have time... They need more Sundays! :)
- Rick
Boots
novascroller Wrote:
> if you're unhappy with the current sunday shopping law. Pete Luckett
> must have made a
> hell of a political contribution.
>
> pre...@gov.ns.ca
done and done!
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Hank
kei...@rocketmail.com says...
>
<snipped for brevity>
>Wrong.
>Wrong.
>Wrong.
>Wrong.
>Wrong.
>Wrong.
Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People" was first published
in 1936. Yes, it is archaic in some sense, but human nature hasn't changed a
lot.
I am not 100% "wrong" and you are not 100% "right." Furthermore, I agree with
a number of your points. All I said was we ought to respect the will of the
majority who chose to vote in 2004, We will do the same in 2008.
When I read a string of "wrongs" directed at me, I feel that my opinion is not
being listened to. No one has an obligation to listen to me or anyone else.
demibee
> I saw your reference points, schooner. I was merely pointing out
>"the good ol' days" that I remember. Families today don't (as a whole)
>instill the same values as they did as early as the 50s.
>
> They don't have time... They need more Sundays! :)
All too true! I suspect that, in an average week, most kids growing
up today see their daycare workers and teachers Far more than they see
their parents. It seems every two-parent family has both parents
working... often taking that work home with them via the 'net. I
doubt the average number of hours worked by full-timers is near 40
anymore.
It makes perfect sense that these parents should expect One Day Off --
i.e., a day their kids Also have off. (Otherwise, what's the point?)
The thing that keeps coming up in these threads is, "I want choice!"
Well, we Have choice... We have the choice of six out of seven days!
Retail businesses are typically open till 9:00pm or later -- some are
open 24 hours.
But, for some reason, that's not enough. People want Everything...
Every Single Day! And when they finally get that, they'll want more.
That some stores close on Christmas and Easter will probably offend
some... and those who think it's perfectly fine will be labelled Bible
thumpers and the like.
I realize that there's inconsistency in the law -- that some already
Do work on Sundays. So why make it worse?
db
demibee
>And nothing warms my heart as much as paying $12
>for a loaf of bread at my local convenience store. Happy happy, joy joy.
Near as I can tell, bread's the same price at a convenience store as
it is in the grocery store. So's milk.
db
Rick Walker
"demibee" <dem...@post.com> wrote in message
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> All too true! I suspect that, in an average week, most kids growing
> up today see their daycare workers and teachers Far more than they see
> their parents. It seems every two-parent family has both parents
> working... often taking that work home with them via the 'net. I
> doubt the average number of hours worked by full-timers is near 40
> anymore.
>
> It makes perfect sense that these parents should expect One Day Off --
> i.e., a day their kids Also have off. (Otherwise, what's the point?)
Well, I was being kind of tongue-in-cheek with that, db :) I'm
pro-SS, and there's many of two-parent families today, I agree. But
many of those parents already have one spouse that works Sundays.
Families struggle to stay together today mainly because of the pressures
put on them by work, "The Jones'...". Have you noticed the amount of
sleep aid products, so heavily promoted these days? Everyone is
stressed out.
> The thing that keeps coming up in these threads is, "I want choice!"
> Well, we Have choice... We have the choice of six out of seven days!
> Retail businesses are typically open till 9:00pm or later -- some are
> open 24 hours.
>
> But, for some reason, that's not enough. People want Everything...
> Every Single Day! And when they finally get that, they'll want more.
> That some stores close on Christmas and Easter will probably offend
> some... and those who think it's perfectly fine will be labelled Bible
> thumpers and the like.
>
> I realize that there's inconsistency in the law -- that some already
> Do work on Sundays. So why make it worse?
As an example, when I worked at Sobeys I worked Sundays *without*
the six day Christmas shopping experiment. Sure, I didn't begin until
11:00 pm, but I worked until 7:00 am on Monday morning. And that
doesn't give one very much of a Sun "day". I knew it going in, but what
surprises me is that people believe that the stores magically have food
on the shelves Monday morning.
How in the hell do they think it got there? Because people worked
Sundays to get it there! When I did file maintenance, I worked the same
hours putting up tags, prices, everything else needed for the first of
the week. It's only when I changed stores I was given a Sunday
option... I could work days instead of nights. Sundays!
And just so everyone knows, during that time I voted *for* Sunday
shopping. It's inevitable, it's coming, and we'd all better adjust to
it.
- Rick
kei...@rocketmail.com
Hank wrote:
> I am not 100% "wrong" and you are not 100% "right."
Wrong again! ;-)