Food for thought

[HRM Resident]

(I understand I break most of these rules/guidelines, but life is a
learning process. I found this in one of my mother's old
scrapbooks. She lived to be 89, the last 14 years with me. And in
reading this, I understand why she kept quiet most of the time when I
likely was driving her crazy!)

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As I grow older, I need to not become talkative and possessed with the
idea that I must express myself on every subject.

I must suppress the craving to straighten out everyone's affairs.

I shouldn’t recite endless details, but rather get to the point.

I should keep quiet when I am inclined to tell about my aches and
pains. They are increasing with the years and my love to speak of
them grows as time goes by.

I understand that occasionally I may be wrong.

I should be thoughtful but not nosy, helpful but not bossy.

With my vast store of wisdom and experience, it seems a pity not to
use it all.

But I want a few friends at the end.

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HRM Resident

[James Warren]

Good stuff! Pay attention! :)

[Mike Spencer]

HRM Resident <hrm...@gmail.com> writes:

> As I grow older, I need to not become talkative and possessed with the
> idea that I must express myself on every subject.
>
> I must suppress the craving to straighten out everyone's affairs.
>

> [snip etc.]

https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/threat-of-stupidity/

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

[James Warren]

Good article Mike and true too. Tangentially related is this which I
just read two minutes ago:
https://medium.com/politically-speaking/the-marketplace-of-ideas-is-dead-4decac00da1

[lucr...@florence.it]

On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 15:15:51 -0400, HRM Resident <hrm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Admirable, but did she manage it? (Especially with a son around lol)

[HRM Resident]

lucr...@florence.it writes:


> Admirable, but did she manage it? (Especially with a son around lol)

I don't know. After I reached adulthood, she managed to follow
those guidelines. I don't know where she got that. It was a
hand written list.

How did you deal with a number of adult children and grand-children?

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HRM Resident

[lucr...@florence.it]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 00:39:34 -0400, HRM Resident <hrm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I found my granddaughters rather disappointing but there is now a
great-granddaughter who is a fighter and stands up for her beliefs. My
grandsons are rewarding people and I love them dearly.

[HRM Resident]

James Warren <jwwar...@gmail.com> writes:

>
> Good article Mike and true too. Tangentially related is this which I
> just read two minutes ago:
> https://medium.com/politically-speaking/the-marketplace-of-ideas-is-dead-4decac00da1

Are these articles a variation of the Dunning–Kruger effect?

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HRM Resident

[James Warren]

Not just a variation, they're entirely about the DK effect.

[HRM Resident]

James Warren <jwwar...@gmail.com> writes:

>
> Not just a variation, they're entirely about the DK effect.
>

DK is controversial, but there's strong evidence it exists. Correct
me if I am wrong, but can't it be summed up as "Most people don't know
how much they don't know?" To wit: most of TFG's base.

I also am lead to believe it encompases the other end. Some people
think they know everything. Not a narcissist, just someone who thinks
they are extremely intelligent and can't learn from anyone
else.

--
HRM Resident

[James Warren]

On Friday, 24 February 2023 at 13:46:25 UTC-4, HRM Resident wrote:
> James Warren <jwwar...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >
> > Not just a variation, they're entirely about the DK effect.
> >
> DK is controversial, but there's strong evidence it exists. Correct
> me if I am wrong, but can't it be summed up as "Most people don't know
> how much they don't know?" To wit: most of TFG's base.

Yes. Most people don't know that there is much more to know than
what they know or think they know.

>
> I also am lead to believe it encompases the other end. Some people
> think they know everything. Not a narcissist, just someone who thinks
> they are extremely intelligent and can't learn from anyone
> else.

Yep. See above.

>
> --
> HRM Resident

[Mike Spencer]

HRM Resident <hrm...@gmail.com> writes:

> DK is controversial...

??

> ...but there's strong evidence it exists. Correct me if I am wrong,

> but can't it be summed up as "Most people don't know how much they
> don't know?"

That marks "most people" as examples of DK but leaves out the inverse
proportionality aspect:

The less someone knows of something, the greater his certainty
that he is fully knowledgeable on the subject.

or

The less someone knows, the more confidant he becomes that his
knowledge is excellent & sufficient for any purpose.

[HRM Resident]

James Warren <jwwar...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> Yes. Most people don't know that there is much more to know than
> what they know or think they know.
>

Not me. I gave up 'philosophy' and 'psychology' and am up to my
elbows learning a ton of new generation IT stuff. I know I don't know
most of it, but I'm trying.

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HRM Resident

[HRM Resident]

Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:

>> DK is controversial...
>
> ??
>

"Various alternatives and challenges to the meta-cognitive
interpretation of the Dunning–Kruger effect are discussed
in the academic literature. Many criticisms of the
Dunning–Kruger effect have the meta-cognitive account as
their main focus, but agree with the empirical findings
themselves"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect#Criticism_and_alternatives

There's a ton of evidence that suggest it's real as I look around
the world, but as I said to James in a prior message, I've pretty much
given up on 'philosophy' and 'psychology.'

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HRM Resident

[James Warren]

The fact that you have given up does not make it any less important
even if much of it is wrong or irrelevant. DKE looks real and has a lot
of explanatory power. I am familiar with one poster child for the DKE
on this newsgroup.

[HRM Resident]

James Warren <jwwar...@gmail.com> writes:

> I am familiar with one poster child for the DKE
> on this newsgroup.

Nice try.

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HRM Resident

[James Warren]

Yes, indeed.