Ben Jackson Rd.
roger
someone explain why?
J-Dubbed
"roger" <monke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Anyone notice highway 101 is exceedingly smooth around this area? Can
> someone explain why?
>
>
So street racers have a good area to race? Halifax streets are getting old!
wmd
> Anyone notice highway 101 is exceedingly smooth around this area? Can
> someone explain why?
>
>
Is that the stretch where they have the concrete test (I think it's
concrete)? If it is inbound on the 101, just past the Windsor Forks
exit, that is probably it. I'm not sure where the Ben Jackson Road is.
wmd
wmd
> Is that the stretch where they have the concrete test (I think it's
> concrete)? If it is inbound on the 101, just past the Windsor Forks
> exit, that is probably it. I'm not sure where the Ben Jackson Road is.
>
> wmd
Sorry - my post wasn't all that clear.
There is a section of the 101 where they laid concrete instead of
regular asphalt. My understanding is that concrete is used on roads
extensively in Ontario, and it supposedly holds up better than asphalt
(although it is a bit more expensive). I believe they wanted to test it
in Nova Scotia's climate, to see if it holds up equally good down here.
The concrete section is noticable when you are driving on the 101.
Whether it is smoother or not is a matter of interpretation. Certainly
the surface feels smoother, but you also have bumps at regular
intervals, where there are gaps between the slabs. It's similar to
driving over the MacDonald Bridge.
wmd
roger
summer time too. ITs the only intersection on the 101 of its kind.
"wmd" <wmd...@NOSPAMyahoo.ca> wrote in message
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Forlorn Hatstand
I heard something about testing new concrete mixes too. I
believe various recycled materials are added, etc.
Heather d'Entremont
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Ben Jackson Rd. is one of the exits to Hantsport. On one side of the 101 you
can exit to Hantsport and on the other is the Ben Jackson Rd to Bishopville.
The concrete portion of the 101 doesn't go that far.
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JD
"wmd" <wmd...@NOSPAMyahoo.ca> wrote in message
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No. Ben Jackson Rd is the level cross between Hantsport and Avonport. It
is very smooth there largely because it is build on solid rock so it doesn't
heave with frost. It represents a big challenge when they divide the
highway to Avonport.
G. Wayne Hines
wrote:
>Anyone notice highway 101 is exceedingly smooth around this area? Can
>someone explain why?
I haven't noticed it was any "smoother" than other sections of the
101.
Are you referring to the few kilometers from about the Windsor
causeway westward to the bottom of the grade in Falmouth? For some
reason, the asphalt seems to have oozed to the top, making the surface
fairly slick. It can be fairly interesting when wet.
gwh
JD
"wmd" <wmd...@NOSPAMyahoo.ca> wrote in message
> wmd wrote:
>
>
> > Is that the stretch where they have the concrete test (I think it's
> > concrete)? If it is inbound on the 101, just past the Windsor Forks
> > exit, that is probably it. I'm not sure where the Ben Jackson Road is.
> >
> > wmd
>
>
> Sorry - my post wasn't all that clear.
>
> There is a section of the 101 where they laid concrete instead of
> regular asphalt. My understanding is that concrete is used on roads
> extensively in Ontario, and it supposedly holds up better than asphalt
> (although it is a bit more expensive). I believe they wanted to test it
> in Nova Scotia's climate, to see if it holds up equally good down here.
>
It is more expensive but it holds up many times longer. I hope they don't
go with more of it. While it doesn't pothole like asphalt, it is also VERY
icy in the winter. I drive that road every day and the paved section clears
faster, because it is dark, doesn't freeze as often, and it dries faster
too.
G. Wayne Hines
wrote:
>no, its where that dangerous intersection is, theres a market there in the
>summer time too. ITs the only intersection on the 101 of its kind.
The only one of its type on the eastern end of the 101. There are
several level intersections on the 101 in Digby and Yarmouth counties.
gwh
G. Wayne Hines
The concrete test is on the eastbound lanes, between Ellershouse and
the Stillwater railway overpass. I believe the distance is about 10
kilometers.
The Ben Jackson Road is that level intersection between Hantsport and
Avonport.
gwh
sisco
I wonder if they've tried black concrete?
That would solve the problem you mentioned.
sisco
G. Wayne Hines
>
>No. Ben Jackson Rd is the level cross between Hantsport and Avonport. It
>is very smooth there largely because it is build on solid rock so it doesn't
>heave with frost.
I can't remember how much "solid rock" is under that piece of highway,
as compared to Hants County clay. A large portion of the material for
that fill at the intersection came from the cut on the hill just to
the west.
> It represents a big challenge when they divide the
>highway to Avonport.
I suggest the proper term would be "waste of money", not "big
challenge". That intersection is not needed, except for access to the
farm market. Instead of simply adding fill for the second roadway to
the west of the intersection, the plans now call for two bridges,
moving the access roads on both sides of the 101, and building
entrance/exit ramps.
gwh
BP
I find that it feels more slippery when its wet compared to pavement.
-Bill
Brian Smith
"wmd" <wmd...@NOSPAMyahoo.ca> wrote in message
>
> Is that the stretch where they have the concrete test (I think it's
> concrete)? If it is inbound on the 101, just past the Windsor Forks
> exit, that is probably it. I'm not sure where the Ben Jackson Road is.
Where you're thinking of the concrete stretch (11 km), is between (just
past) the St. Croix exit and the Mount Uniacke exit, inbound lanes.
Ben Jackson Road is the westerly exit (level intersection) to Hantsport.
There have been numerous collisions there over the years. The locals want a
full fledged interchange put in place, so that the five cars an hour (just
an estimate <g>) that use the intersection for access to the 101, will not
be impeded by the highway traffic flow.
Brian
Brian Smith
"wmd" <wmd...@NOSPAMyahoo.ca> wrote in message
>
> Sorry - my post wasn't all that clear.
It conveyed your question quite clearly, to me <g>.
> There is a section of the 101 where they laid concrete instead of
> regular asphalt. My understanding is that concrete is used on roads
> extensively in Ontario, and it supposedly holds up better than asphalt
> (although it is a bit more expensive). I believe they wanted to test it
> in Nova Scotia's climate, to see if it holds up equally good down here.
There is a section of the 104 around Oxford (I believe) that is concrete, it
is very noticable when driving on the different surface. I don't find the
101's section to be as noticable (read smoother). However, I do find the
concrete sections of roads to be more slippery than the asphalt when wet.
> The concrete section is noticable when you are driving on the 101.
> Whether it is smoother or not is a matter of interpretation. Certainly
> the surface feels smoother, but you also have bumps at regular
> intervals, where there are gaps between the slabs. It's similar to
> driving over the MacDonald Bridge.
Nothing like the Bedford Highway when it was all concrete. Rough and bone
shaking was the only way to describe driving over that road.
Brian
Brian Smith
> no, its where that dangerous intersection is, theres a market there in the
> summer time too. ITs the only intersection on the 101 of its kind.
Actually there are other level intersections on the 101, down around Digby
and going down the French Shore.
Brian
JD
> I suggest the proper term would be "waste of money", not "big
> challenge". That intersection is not needed, except for access to the
> farm market. Instead of simply adding fill for the second roadway to
> the west of the intersection, the plans now call for two bridges,
> moving the access roads on both sides of the 101, and building
> entrance/exit ramps.
>
> gwh
>
I agree the exit is a waste of money. But apparently, it was a challenge to
build the road bed the first time around, and they are concerned about it
this time too. There is a solid rock hill on one side, and a swamp on the
other
oldtrout
Just outside of Hantsport. One passes under the bridge on the 101. The bridge where Freddy stands and waves to everyone.
oldtrout
>
>wmd
oldtrout
The "Bedford" was once concrete; it still is but covered with asphalt now. For many, many years it was maintenance free.
Cement is very expensive compared to asphalt but in time it pays for itself over and over.
Two disadvantages of using cement are:
1. The material has to be cut right through at regular intervals, for different reasons, and that gives that annoying
sound every time you pass over the cut. Actually hearing that sound on regular intervals can and does cause some drivers
to be lulled into sleep. It has a soothing effect, not unlike a "solitude" recording.
2. We used salt on our roads and unless the concrete is specially treated it is badly eroded by salt.
The Yanks know that in the long run concrete is much cheaper so that is way you don't see asphalt on the turnpikes
.
oldtrout
oldtrout
G. Wayne Hines
Wrongo, Mr. Trout. :-)
Freddy guards the Bog(g) Road overpass. The Ben Jackson Road is
several kilometers west of that.
gwh
oldtrout
>no, its where that dangerous intersection is, theres a market there in the
>summer time too. ITs the only intersection on the 101 of its kind.
Bog Rd & 101.
oldtrout
G. Wayne Hines
Next time I pass that way, I'll have to look for evidence of a solid
rock hill. I wonder if there might be some gypsum, which tends to
dissolve and create large holes where there should be solid ground?
If there absolutely must be an interchange for the Ben Jackson Road,
the best place for it would be on the Bishopville Road, several
kilometers to the east of the existing intersection. The BJ Road joins
the Bishopville Road just south of the 101. There's already a bridge
on the existing 101, and a new bridge wil be required for the new
roadway when that section is twinned. The only extras that would be
needed would be the entrance/exit ramps.
gwh
G. Wayne Hines
Your estimate may not be off by much.
That intersection was not supposed to remain when the 101 opened. The
section from the BJ road to the Grand Pre exit was completed before
the section between the BJ road and Windsor (Falmouth?). Traffic used
Highway 1 between Windsor and Lockhartville, then the current access
road to reach the 101. When the section east of the BJ road was opened
to traffic, the province decided to leave the intersection in place.
gwh
Brian Smith
"oldtrout" <no-...@home.ca> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:07:26 GMT, "roger" <monke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >no, its where that dangerous intersection is, theres a market there in
the
> >summer time too. ITs the only intersection on the 101 of its kind.
>
> Bog Rd & 101.
Bog Road does not intersect with the 101. It simply passes over the highway.
Brian
Marilyn E. Burford
It's one of the first places, as you would be comine from Sackville, where
you will find a [good sized] fruit stand up just off Ben Jackson Rd.
(which is on the left as you are coming from Sackville). Gosh tho...I
forget if it's THIS side or the OTHER side of Windsor...anyone?
M.
Brian Smith
"G. Wayne Hines" <w.d....@nospam.ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> Your estimate may not be off by much.
I very seldom see any traffic using the intersection.
> That intersection was not supposed to remain when the 101 opened. The
> section from the BJ road to the Grand Pre exit was completed before
> the section between the BJ road and Windsor (Falmouth?). Traffic used
> Highway 1 between Windsor and Lockhartville, then the current access
> road to reach the 101. When the section east of the BJ road was opened
> to traffic, the province decided to leave the intersection in place.
I suggested a number of years ago that the Department of Highways close
access to the 101 on the Hantsport side of the highway. Anyone wishing to
leave Hantsport to travel westerly, would have to access the highway from
the Avonport exit. People wishing to travel easterly could use either the
Avonport or Hantsport exits.
For the western side of the 101, people would only have the ability to head
easterly to the Hantsport exit and have to be able to head westerly. As I
said, for the number of vehicles using the intersection, this makes the most
cost efficient way of dealing with the traffic flow.
Brian
Marilyn E. Burford
Oh I know where you mean...the part that was twinned a couple summers
ago...no, Ben Jackson Road is a ways past that. Like I said, I forget if
it's this side or t'other side of Windsor.
M.
oldtrout
>On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:07:26 GMT, "roger" <monke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>no, its where that dangerous intersection is, theres a market there in the
>>summer time too. ITs the only intersection on the 101 of its kind.
>
>Bog Rd & 101.
My mistake that dangerious intersection is Ben Jackson Rd and 101.
oldtrout
oldtrout
My mistake the bridge Freddy stands on is The Bishopville Rd.
There is no bridge for the Ben Jackson Rd it intersects the 101 and that is the intersection that is so dangerous.
oldtrout
>
>oldtrout
>>
>>wmd
G. Wayne Hines
It's THIS side of Windsor for me, but the OTHER side of Windsor for
you. For the non-directionally-challenged, the Ben Jackson Road is
west of Windsor. :-)
gwh
G. Wayne Hines
>On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:45:59 GMT, oldtrout <no-...@home.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:29:11 GMT, wmd <wmd...@NOSPAMyahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>roger wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone notice highway 101 is exceedingly smooth around this area? Can
>>>> someone explain why?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Is that the stretch where they have the concrete test (I think it's
>>>concrete)? If it is inbound on the 101, just past the Windsor Forks
>>>exit, that is probably it.
>>
>>
>>>I'm not sure where the Ben Jackson Road is.
>>
>>Just outside of Hantsport. One passes under the bridge on the 101. The bridge where Freddy stands and waves to everyone.
>
>My mistake the bridge Freddy stands on is The Bishopville Rd.
Is something in the water interfering with your navigational
instincts? :-)
Freddy stands on the Bog(g) Road overpass. The Bishopville Road passes
under the 101 a bit to the west of that.
gwh
oldtrout
You are correct.
When one makes two mistakes is the result twins?
oldtrout
G. Wayne Hines
>
>When one makes two mistakes is the result twins?
I don't know, but I do know accidents cause people.
gwh
Steve
URL below.
http://www.gov.ns.ca/tran/highwayops/hwy101.asp
"G. Wayne Hines" <w.d....@nospam.ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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G. Wayne Hines
>You can read the Final Report for the Ben Jackson Road intersection at the
>URL below.
>http://www.gov.ns.ca/tran/highwayops/hwy101.asp
Thank's for the link, Steve.
I note the cost projections for the alternatives to the interchange
include "repairs" to Highway 1. I wonder if that's just an effort to
reduce the gap between the costs of the full interchange and the other
alternatives?
I still think a better location for an interchange to serve residents
of the Ben Jackson Road, and the Bishopville area, and people who want
to enter Hantsport from the west, would be at the Bishopville Road.
There has to be an overpass (tunnel?) there anyway, and it wouldn't
take much to construct the required entrance and exit ramps. This
location is only a couple of kilometers from the Ben Jackson
intersection, and would not require construction of two
overpases/tunnels, and the relocation of any roads.
I also notice the plans for complicated "improvements" to the
interchange at Avonport. Maybe it's about time TPW had a real highway
planning section.
gwh