I'd like to focus on this one by Jim at USQ.
What about the cost of existing institutional licensing agreements with (i)the vendors of LMS software and (ii) publishers who provide access to e-library resources, including full text e-content? These financial agreements are usually a function of the number of "seats" which are provided only for an agreed number of officially registered mainstream students
"The suggested solution to these potentially problematic issues is to offer OERu courses (based solely on OER and embracing the pedagogy of discovery) via Moodle on WikiEducator thereby avoiding financial and administrative system interface complexities".
Statement: One primary role for OERu in all of this is that it becomes a "services provider/broker" to various Access federations.
Hosting a Moodle on the Wikieducator domain is a logical approach, just as it does a wiki at the moment. Other open source applications would naturally follow (depending on the communities' wants).
We can see the usual (institutional- centric) approach as SUNY begins to outsource its Moodle needs to MoodleRooms, as a host, in a cloud. This institutional centric approach is something aggregators like bccampus already aim to overcome by brokering, on behalf of a number of institutions, relationships with commercial service providers like Adobe, Elluminate as well as hosting opensource "apps" like Moodle. http://www.bccampus.ca/partnerships/
I've been suggesting that one of OERu's role is to act as the broker between National "access federations" like the aaf as well as other smaller (state wide) ones like bccampus. USQ, for example, is already a member of the ANZ federation. http://www.aaf.edu.au/subscribe/subscribers/ They share access to a range of catalogued services with other institutional subscribers. I can't see any reason why wikieducator/OERu services wouldn't be hosted in the aaf cloud, and could be spread from there.
National Access Federations all share one primary focus = to enable National institutions to share "services=apps". They all do this on an uncoordinated (between federations) basis already. So each national federation has their separate list of service providers. https://refeds.terena.org/index.php/Federations
At present Access federations are attempting to work though how they share services (i.e. ConFederate) on a global basis. The focus for these activities always comes down to focussing on a "Virtual Organisation", of which OERu is one of the few global ones. OERu is the only I've seen that works in the "common services" space (moodles wikis, etc). Most others are based around large specialised research production networks like the Hadron Collider.
So, as I see it, one of OERu's roles in developing an International network is being the entity which aggregates a range of "services" under the one domain, which will be common to all access federations; An "honest broker" if you will. The main services (in such a platform) will be the kind that will support these governance meetings.
WE have seen during this open meeting that there "is there a model where students get some recognition that is perhaps skills / outcomes based that is not as bound by governance and accreditation" (as mentioned by SNHU, even if their names haven't been mentioned so far:). It's based on, not only capturing/distributing these open governance meetings on a(n increasingly) professional basis, but also working through the development/Confederation of (open access) platforms, which will include other institutions. (if for no other reason than it saves duplication and money)
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I always find that good minds underestimate themselves. I'm not sorry to say that you do too. Mind you, considering your work pace, you've gotta say "enough" sometiimes.
You've got your feet planted firmly on the ground; with the head not (yet) in the "clouds". And thank God for that.
Just give it time. The penny will drop. As you've pointed out, the aim is to "provide easy ways to integrate OERu learning resource (at one domain I would think) which we can deliver to any LMS from WikiEducator" (which is the domain you're going to integrate at, I would think). You can host the domain anywhere. If you do it at an IP address which is accessible via a federation's memberships institutional account, you have your network. Probably saved yourself a lot of hosting and bandwidth charges as well.
We can't stop the slow evolution of the new network model. i.e. sharing apps on an open network; any more than the OERu members want to share their content (at the moment) on separate ones. One is a federation of (access to) shared content, the other a federation of (access to) shared applications=services.
The network federation guys have done their thing, so far as their little (National/ANZ) perspectives are concerned. And they are floundering because most content communities expect them to look outside their National domains and say, "we're a global community." (look at out get togethers!)
From my perspective you are one of the leaders in the art of "open governance", which is quite an imaginative art. If you'd like to see what one of your peers in the .gov.au space is doing, it's here. http://digiculture.wikispaces.com/ You can see the commonality in approaches (on a national basis, not global like your own).
So let's not rush at this. As I track down others peers in different countries, the commonality in the tools they prefer to use becomes more apparent. You know how de Bono's "ah ha" effect works. The logic of a new model is perfectly obvious once all the pieces are understood.
BTW. Most community's same the same thing. "Bring your partners to the table. We don't have the resources". Most of the time that's only because they don't understand how networks work and what is possible. e.g. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC1111/S00035/internet2-and-ipv6-provide-new-opportunities-for-music.htm
But hey! We're all learning. (in the art of open governance) me especially.
All the best.
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Hi Simon, Wayne, and Others,We created NIXTY with this type of federated model in mind. It is SaaS and there is no cost. I'll write more below about the business model/sustainability. Please forgive the length of this post, there is just a lot to share and I know that a few of you will have questions, so I'm trying to be comprehensive here.The idea is that the platform provides a number of advantages over an isolated, institution based LMS. Here are a few of the advantages:-Complete solution for OERu Institutions - Channel, Courses, Assessments, Payments, and Certificates. Doesn't mess with internal reporting of institution's own LMS and SIS.-Persistent student data - students have an identity outside of the institution's LMS, so that they can take courses across universities and can continue to exist once they graduate (i.e., they are not deleted to save money on cutting 'seats).-Facilitates collaboration across universities - Faculty and students can work with one another across institutions because they are not silo'd off in an isolated LMS.-Enables easy reuse and remixing of content - courses can easily be cloned over across universities. We have an open course cloud in place and we could easily add the OERu courses so that they could be cloned over and adopted to each university.-Enhanced Learning Analytics - Member institutions could opt to share data on learning outcomes across the courses to iterate on the content.There are several other advantages as well, but those the primary advantages to a shared network approach. Here a few helpful links that illustrate the platform:Test Account - www.nixty.com - Login at top right - username: OERu Password: testerChannel - each institution can create their own channel, which consists of a branded space with logos, an about area, courses, and instructors. You can see an example from Teachers Without Borders here: www.nixty.com/c/twbCourses - Your typical LMS course capability - http://nixty.com/course/Introduction-to-NIXTY ; here is an example of one of MIT's OCW Lesson Tool: http://nixty.com/lessons/lessonStudentLessonItem?course_id=1042&lesson_id=48ePortfolio - includes CV in line browser doc display, work display/examples, recommendations, comments/posts etc. - http://nixty.com/eportfolio/fredmed1Regarding our history, business model, and code. We launched last year and have focused explicitly on supporting open education. We've worked with the OCW Consortium, Teachers Without Borders, and other NGOs. We didn't want to make this a non-profit, because we didn't want to be dependent upon grant funding, so we needed to come up with a sustainable business model. The service is free. We will charge people 20% if they charge others. e.g., you create a course for $100, then we'll charge you $20. Additionally, we'll eventually roll out more sophisticated services (SIS integration, LDAP etc. that will cost a bit more, but still be wildly less expensive than current LMS models). Finally, code - NIXTY is written in Python. It is built to scale and the architecture is based on the federated model Wayne and Simon have discussed. At present, we are not open source. We started a conversation with Wayne and others about establishing whether or not the entire system needs to be open source or just "key elements". Once we identify the key elements we will immediately move towards open sourcing those pieces. We haven't yet, b/c of resource limitations and the need to get other features rolled out first. For example, in the next few weeks we'll be releasing IMS common cartridge support via EduCommons integration, Portuguese support (right now we have Spanish and English), payments etc.Simon, I'll ping you separately as it seems you've done a lot of thinking around this and it'd be great to talk more. I'd also welcome the opportunity to connect with others who are interested in solving these problems.Thanks,Glen
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