Game-changing new hexayurt design.

[Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter Project)]

Designed by one AlexW, was just sent to me this evening.

It combines the H14 (like an H13 but with a high point on both ends) with the H18 to produce a structure with two high areas ideal for (say north facing) windows.

I'm absolutely taken with this structure. I don't know how practical it would be for Burning Man (it's going to need serious structure in the roof) but it's an absolutely new direction in hexayurt design, a seminal point in the evolution. 

What new things come when we ask this question?

V>

PS: anybody got a name for it? I'm out of ideas!

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[Alex Williams]

Prior to rendering it on the computer, I played around with a few H13 varients using card; The structural strength of the design shown compared to other variants (1/6 and 2/6 of the central hexayurt raised to 12') seemed to be quite good. 

This is mainly due to the central join across the middle of the hexayurt that supports the windowed sections, along with the angled roof, that prevent it from slumping.

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 9:11:52 PM UTC+1, Vinay Gupta wrote:

I don't know how practical it would be for Burning Man (it's going to need serious structure in the roof) but it's an absolutely new direction in hexayurt design, a seminal point in the evolution.

[Jason Adams]

Great job Alex, very cool to see the new design.

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[Lucas González]

Hi, Alex,

It looks really great.

My first reaction was: how did you think of that? In hindsight all this will look logical, but how does such an insight happen? (I'm fond of lateral thinking and have translated some material. Honestly intrigued.)

My second reaction was to populate the room with uses - half for parents, half for baby or whatever.

I'm with Vinay: do we have a name for this? We. Can. Wait.

Lucas

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[Alex Williams]

Hi, great to see interest in it :)

I produced a card model that started out as a H13, but I simply wanted more height at the front, so I took that up so that a full edge was full height (rather than a single vertex).

However, this wasn't strong enough so I took up another edge and this was incredibly insecure, so I took up the third segment and this was both secure and good-looking. Windows were added because it seemed that there was a logical space for them.

I had originally intended it to be a workshop like are, so that the heightened area would be used for design and tinkering (with good overhead natural lighting provided by the windows), while the lower area would be for storage etc..

It could relatively easily translated for more practical use, so that the front are is for standing for tasks such as cooking etc. while the lower are would allow for sleeping.

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 10:21:57 PM UTC+1, LucasG wrote:

My first reaction was: how did you think of that? In hindsight all this will look logical, but how does such an insight happen? (I'm fond of lateral thinking and have translated some material. Honestly intrigued.)

My second reaction was to populate the room with uses - half for parents, half for baby or whatever.

[Lucas González]

FWIW, I've just created http://www.appropedia.org/Hexayurt__Thermal_Analysis and updated http://www.appropedia.org/Hexayurt_materials

We can't create a wikipage for the new model (or family of models) unless there's a name. No hurry, of course. :-)

[GS Sapunar]

How about a Hexamod?  It looks like a cool form of modular housing unit that could be combined with others, but still has the six walled base.

[Lucas González]

Someone told me it looks like a face. A bear or some other animal. Eyed-yurt?

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[Chad Cole]

It's an awesome design. Kind of a plain name, but how about H15Plus - "Plus" for the window section.

[Lucas González]

The family is split-yurts?

Sloped yurts? Semi-tall?

Some names will stick.

9 + 7 panels, plus the windows. Is it H17? If confirmed, that could be the name for the wikipage. (Or H15plus. :-?)

[Joshua Keroes]

Looks like a Chapel to me

[Chita Jing]

Both visually and functionally, this sure looks like a clerestory yurt to me! A "second story" which provides light and possible ventilation is at least as old as the oldest temples in Egypt. It's a wonderful idea, an ancient, proven idea. Humans feel better with sunlight.

[Joshua Keroes]

"Clerestory" - good word, that! 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerestory

[RichShumaker]

Great Design, reminds me of a Tiny House design. The slope seems perfect for a living roof or solar panels.
I see this as a non BM design due to wind issues. Would love to see this built in the real world for everyday use.

Great Job.

[James Cockerham]

This might be a good candidate for the loft idea in one my timber frames. Could serve as a window and/or made of metal flashing to create a convection vent to supper heat the air, pull in out and pulling cool ait in through a buried pipe in the cool ground. I would call it Hexanice!

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:11:52 PM UTC-4, Vinay Gupta wrote:

[James Cockerham]

This has me thinking of doing a split level dugout, with built in furniture like a bench with table in front or other workspace. Not sure about drainage yet, but half green roof and half ferrocement roof with gutter leading to cistern comes to mind. Just so many ideas, and I don't know of any real world examples to follow here beyond earthships (not packing tires), and underground (square) houses with shed roofs. Anyone have pictures of small square footage hexaships or underground hexas or similar that work? The underground fallout shelter by Mike Oehler has a buried "ship's prow" facing uphill to divert water, basically a square with a triangle on top. Think I'll just keep designs small for now and build one of each for now so I can see what works, what doesn't, and if it doesn't it would be that big a deal to solve.

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:11:52 PM UTC-4, Vinay Gupta wrote:

[James Cockerham]

You could also make the two roof halves level and have two triangular windows on each end of the yurt.

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:11:52 PM UTC-4, Vinay Gupta wrote:

[ken winston caine]

Name?

How about Clestayurt?

[ken winston caine]

Of course, you'd have to preface it with your conventional H and number system. Then hyphen Clestayurt?

[Lucas González]

>Hexamod

>looks like a face. A bear or some other animal. Eyed-yurt

>H15Plus - "Plus" for the window section

>The family is split-yurts?
>Sloped yurts? Semi-tall?

>9 + 7 panels + windows = H17

>Looks like a Chapel to me

>clerestory yurt, clestayurt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerestory

More names?

(I quite like clestayurt, fwiw.)

L

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[James Cockerham]

Perhaps H_17 for example, with the _ being a letter representing the type mod variant. Like HH17 for HexaHybrid 17, or HC17 for HexaClerestory 17, and have a whole series of a certain design mod feature built in different sizes and panel numbers. I'm thinking the design variants could be virtually endless, so you could do HS7, 15, 18, 22, and 26 for the stretch series, H5, 12, and 18 for the traditional design. HG14 for the gable roof design and so on. The rest I've seen are usually a hybrid of two of these forms or have more or less wall sides like the penta, octa, and pyramid yurts.

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:11:52 PM UTC-4, Vinay Gupta wrote:

[Lucas González]

http://www.appropedia.org/Category:Hexayurt_project doesn't have too many names.
There's Hexayurt_H2, Hexayurt_H4 and a few more.
So I can just create http://www.appropedia.org/Hexayurt_H17
Just one page with room for variants there.

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[Lucas González]

btw, AlexW, mind if I upload the pic to appropedia?

[Lucas González]

Also, AlexW, please, any preference about names?

More details about this one possibility:

>clerestory yurt, clestayurt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerestory

>In architecture, clerestory (/ˈklɪərstɔri/; lit. clear storey, also clearstory, clearstorey, or overstorey) are any high windows above eye level. The purpose is to bring outside light, fresh air, or both into the inner space.

Clerestory Hexayurt?

(No hurry to name this newborn. Maybe even let it select its own name :). If it weren't for the wikipage.)

L

[Alex Williams]

Hi all,

 

Sorry for the late reply, currently on holiday with a quick grab at a computer.

 

I see that there have been many name considerations, I was unsure what would pop up, so I was thinking of more mainstream naming, with H (hexayurt?) then 17 for the amount of panels required (I can verify that it takes a total of 17 panels to make this version)

 

So I was loosly thinking of somehting along the lines of "H17+"? However, given all the names you guys have obviously given it a fair bit more thought and I think you would make a much better decision as I've had little previous interaction with hexayurts.

 

By all means use that image on appropedia. Also, when I get home (Saturday) I can provide some more images including a double version that I quickly designed before I left.

 

Alex

[Lucas González]

http://www.appropedia.org/Hexayurt_H17plus is born.

James, I didn't include your comments because I feel they belong in a wider discussion about naming hexayurts. For the sake of simplicity I state the "numeric name" and the "architectural name". I copy James' comments below in case someone finds a place to put it.

All, please have a go at the page if needed. As I said, I just wanted to write the bare minimum, so as to let the viewers do the "hm, oo, wow, woah" dance themselves.

Cheers!

Lucas

>>>Perhaps H_17 for example, with the _ being a letter representing the type mod variant. Like HH17 for HexaHybrid 17, or HC17 for HexaClerestory 17, and have a whole series of a certain design mod feature built in different sizes and panel numbers. I'm thinking the design variants could be virtually endless, so you could do HS7, 15, 18, 22, and 26 for the stretch series, H5, 12, and 18 for the traditional design. HG14 for the gable roof design and so on. The rest I've seen are usually a hybrid of two of these forms or have more or less wall sides like the penta, octa, and pyramid yurts.<<<

[dylan toymaker]

I support Clerestory or Clestayurt.

my thoughts were to use a "slash" or "split" to denote the double style in some way. 

I am getting a bit unhappy with the H## convention, as I feel it is a unidimensional system for a multi-dimensional problem.  ie, h15 could be a 3 edged roof with 4' walls or a conventional roof with 6' walls.  I have seen people use it both ways and the cognitive dissonance is aggravating.   I also feel a bit responsible in starting it with the h13. sorry.

The H_## idea is interesting to me as well, as it does provide an additional dimension of information.

my other idea was to enumerate the roof and walls separately- r6w6 would be a conventional 12piece 4' wall, r7w12 would be an 8' wall h13 roof.  not sure how the clerestory would be able to fit into that.

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[Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter Project)]

My original thought had been that we'd name them after American cities.

West Coast, mid-West, East Coast for various styles, that sort of thing.

Never quite took. The H system at least gives a quick indication of size and accurately differentiates various common models. One particular issue is H4.5 for the 6' hexayurt, that's never sat right.

The other approach would be to look at *roofs* and walls: there are only three roofs, and stretch variants, plus wall heights. That would describe everything accurately other than the C-yurt.

More later!

V>

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[James Cockerham]

The H_## naming idea just seems like it can work for the long term with room to grow. Like chemistry, an index something like this http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal.shtml and design listings something like this http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=aptosid but for hexarchitecture of course. Possibly even compatible lifesupport systems listed for each depending on build materials, climate, and other relevant specifics.  

[James Cockerham]

Also, use, soil, climate, etc data search for yurt design, and building material would be cool. Idea of something vaguely like this search http://pfaf.org/user/plantsearch.aspx

[Kevin Fischer]

I think the H10 describes both the pentayurt and the true pyramid?

http://www.elkinsdiy.com/stationary-shelters/pyramid-shelter/

[Alex Williams]

After looking at the possible naming options the other day, I liked the idea of the Clerestory/Clestayurt name type, but was unsure whether the term Clestayurt that would apply to this particular hexayurt variation or, whether the name could be applied to a whole range of hexayurts that have the above eye-level windows?

I am also in agreement with the H_## naming type, as it allows for different design types that use the same amount of panels, thus reducing (some) possible confusion.

Just for clarification, what would a HexaHybrid look like?

Is there any particular function of the windows in hexayurts, i.e, to see in/out of, to let light in. Would this simply change between people/hexayurts?

As you could use a plexiglass sheet if you want to see out/in, however this would provided a large 'hole' in the insulation and heat would not be retained within the building.

However, if insulation is a problem, then you could use something similar to greenhouse bubble wrap, which would let light in, but you would not be able to see through that well as the image would be distorted.

Attached is another render that I did before going away, simply sticking two together for a larger space, thought it looked interesting.

[Alex Williams]

What about H17 SR, with SR denoting that it has a slanted-roof?

[James Cockerham]

Idk know what to call the original hexaroof, other than hexaroof. The hybrid has half gable roof and half hexaroof with an additional 4ft in height on that half. From my thoughts, there are 3 main types of roof formations, the hexaroof H12 with drainage to 6 sides, the gable roof H14, and a shed roof with drainage to one direction. there are quit a few combinations of these.

The H_## label could also be applied to other structure shapes as in square S_##, octagon O_##, etc..

The idea I've been playing with has either a shed, gable or hybrid of the two on a strong frame for a wall or walls of windows the face south to enable the sun to charge the earth's thermal mass like a battery for winter heating without other external fuel. Also, a convection ventilation system and shades for those south facing windows in warm weather periods.  

North facing windows and doors are good for temporary warm weather applications were appropriate. For me though, I'm have to go with something that's off-the-grid and comfortable year round.

I like the idea of greenhouse covering or just recycled windows for the yurt. Going for a solid, cheap wall of windows here..

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:39 AM, Alex Williams <al...@rjaowilliams.plus.com> wrote:

What about H17 SR, with SR denoting that it has a slanted-roof?

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[James Cockerham]

Think the city names would hold well for yurt packages designed specifically for the region each city is located. Like the H12, 13, 18 or H_## playa edition, Montreal edition, London edition or Bangcock edition. Don't think it should be limited to American cities, just whatever city describes the local area's resources and climate the yurt is adapted to.

Here I'm going with a H12 roof covering a cordwood wall. Will only be using 6 panels, and the roof serves two purposes, temporary shelter and keeping firewood dry until seasoned. Great for disaster relief in woodland areas struck by tornado or other events that destroy conventional shelter and knock down trees. Maybe for hybrids like this, the name could be like Hexacordwood or Hexafirewood shelter. Idk, but something to play with.